Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-02-28

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 28 Febroyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 59921212

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Febroyarioy 2007

Xairete.

-O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei ayrio Pempth, 1h Martioy, sto Megaro Majimoy stis 10 to prwi me thn Proedro ths Boylhs k. Anna Mpenakh - Caroyda. Epishs, ayrio stis 11.30' o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me thn Ypoyrgo Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Fanh Pallh - Petralia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ARMENHS: Eixame xqes ena peristatiko me ton Ah Strath. Me tetoies kinhseis pws mporoyme na milame gia beltiwsh twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn; Kai pws krinete to gegonos oti o armodios Dioikhths toy NATO, den hjere oti o Ah Straths den einai symfwna me kamia synqhkh, oyte ths Lozanhs oyte kamia allh, apostratikopoihmenh perioxh.

ANTWNAROS: H symmaxikh askhsh poy eprokeito na ginei xqes sto Aigaio eixe anablhqei logw kairikwn synqhkwn, opws eixan anablhqei gia ton idio logo kai oi eqnikes askhseis sthn idia perioxh tis teleytaies hmeres. To Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas se synennohsh me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn proebh stis deoyses energeies pros tis armodies Arxes ths Symmaxias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eginan apodektes aytes oi energeies apo th Symmaxia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, oytws h allws, h askhsh eixe anablhqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se epipedo omws nomiko, giati pera apo to epipedo ths strathgikhs askhshs, yparxei kai to nomiko epipedo, to opoio exei hdh amfisbhthqei de facto. Se ayto yphrje kapoia sygkekrimenh apanthsh apo th Symmaxia;

ANTWNAROS: Eginan opws sas eipa, oi deoyses energeies, prokeimenoy na problhqoyn oi ellhnikes qeseis kai na katarrifqoyn oi aitiaseis ths allhs pleyras.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, to apotelesma omws den mas lete olwn aytwn twn energeiwn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

ARMENHS: Me sygxwreite, alla rwthsa kai gia thn proodo twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn. Pws mporoyme na milame gia proodo... .

ANTWNAROS: Memonwmena peristatika oso shmantika kai ean paroysiazontai -- kai sas exoyme apodeijei oti h ellhnikh pleyra jerei na yperaspizetai, na sthrizei kai na proaspizetai ta eqnika mas symferonta --den mporoyn na allajoyn to gegonos oti ta teleytaia xronia, me thn prospaqeia h opoia ginetai, oi sxeseis twn dyo pleyrwn beltiwnontai. Oi sxeseis aytes, opws exei pei allwste kai to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, den einai eyqygrammes.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Opws to qetete twra oti eimaste ikanopoihmenoi, ayta poy symbainoyn...

ANTWNAROS: Den xrhsimopoihsa thn ekfrash thn opoia moy apodidete.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Thn anakalw. Eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo ayta poy symbainoyn sta Imia kaqe toso me toys carades toys Kalymnioys;

ANTWNAROS: As mhn petagomaste apo to ena qema sto allo. Den exw na kanw, peran twn oswn eipa, kapoia allh topoqethsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto epikeimeno tajidi toy Gkioyl, ektos apo ta qemata ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas qa syzhthqei kai to aithma twn Toyrkwn gia apostratikopoihmenh perioxh ston Ah Strath;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei oti den exei oristikopoihqei kamia episkech toy Toyrkoy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sthn Aqhna.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ton Aprilio toy '93 kata th diarkeia NATOikhs Diaskechs sth Boyliagmenh, diapistwsame oi dhmosiografoi oti o tote Amerikanos Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Goyoren Kristofer hjere kati perissotero apo emas. Mhpws o k. Almoynia jerei kati to opoio emeis den gnwrizoyme;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite; Se poio qema anafereste;

BLABIANOS: Peri eklogwn, peri eklogologias...

PALAIOLOGOS: Proanhggeile ekloges ...

ANTWNAROS: Ermhneyete dhlwseis jenwn ajiwmatoyxwn, oi opoies den periexoyn tipota diaforetiko apo ayto poy exoyme pei emeis. En pash periptwsei to qema twn eklogwn einai safes. Exei topoqethqei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos kai exei topoqethqei o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos k. Roysopoylos sthn aiqoysa. Exw topoqethqei kai egw opote exw rwthqei. Isxyoyn oi topoqethseis tis opoies exoyme kanei. Den exei allajei apolytws tipota.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei dhmioyrghqei ena qema me to programma toy PASOK. Ypotiqetai oti eseis gnwrizete to programma toy PASOK poy qa anakoinwsei o k. Papandreoy. Apo thn pleyra toy k. Eyqymioy doqhke xqes h plhroforhsh oti mporei kapoios na parakoloyqei h na exei klecei to PASOK, alla aytos den mporei na einai politiko proswpo poy metefere ta stoixeia apo to programma toy PASOK pros thn kybernhsh pros to Majimoy, afhnontas na ennohqei oti kati allo yparxei. Telika ti exei ginei; Exete antigracei to programma toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Me rwtate emena gia to PASOK;

BLAXOS: Gnwrizete to programma toy PASOK san kybernhsh pio mprosta apo ton k. Papandreoy; Ypociazomai oti kai eseis se olh ayth thn parafilologia poy eipwqhke xqes to brady...

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den asxoloymai me qemata - opws eipate para poly eystoxa k. Blaxo - parafilologias. Deyteron, ej oswn gnwrizw me thn topoqethsh thn opoia ekane o arxhgos toy PASOK k. Papandreoy xqes sth Boylh, profanws to PASOK einai ekeino poy antigrafei to programma kai thn politikh thn opoia efarmozei h Nea Dhmokratia sta qemata ths Paideias. Kai anaferomai sygkekrimena sthn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh.

BLAXOS: Eipe o k. Eyqymioy oti mporei kapoios na gnwrizei to programma toy PASOK kai na to...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den gnwrizw to PASOK na exei programma.

BLAXOS: O k. Eyqymioy kati eipe. O k. Eyqymioy eipe oti...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: ... yparxei kapoia phgh plhroforhshs apo th Xarilaoy Trikoyph pros ... ..

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den gnwrizw na exei programma to PASOK.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw pote sxediazei h kybernhsh na jekinhsei to dialogo gia tis allages sth Deyterobaqmia Ekpaideysh kai thn aposyndesh twn ejetasewn apo to Lykeio poy proanhggeile xqes o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos ekane mia poly diejodikh kai leptomereiakh topoqethsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Osa eipe htan poly diafwtistika. Sas ypenqymizw, allwste, oti gia to sygkekrimeno qema ths poiotikhs anabaqmishs ths beltiwshs twn Lykeiwn to opoio apotelei pagia qesh ths kybernhshs, eixe topoqethqei hdh apo to telos toy 2004 o Prwqypoyrgos. Den einai kati kainoyrgio. Einai kati to opoio epetai ths megalhs metarryqmistikhs prospaqeias thn opoia pragmatopoiei kai qa efarmosei bebaiws h kybernhsh sto qema ths Tritobaqmias Ekpaideyshs. O programmatismos gia th Deyterobaqmia Ekpaideysh qa proxwrhsei me thn idia peripoy diadikasia thn opoia efarmosame kai sto qema ths Tritobaqmias Ekpaideyshs. Den yparxei ayth th stigmh kati kainoyrgio na sas pw.

SPYRAKH: Gia to xrono rwthsa kyrie Ekproswpe, an moy epitrepete, giati safws mas perigrafete th diadikasia poy qa einai o dialogos, aplws rwthsa gia to xrono enarjhs.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kati na sas pw.

MAYRIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, stis dhlwseis toys to ena meta to allo ta stelexh ths kybernhshs to teleytaio diasthma miloyn gia ejantlhsh ths tetraetias. Den apokleioyn omws aproopta gegonota poy qa mporoysan na odhghsoyn se prowrh prosfygh stis kalpes. Se ayta ta aproopta gegonota sygkatalegetai to endexomeno proklhshs ellhno-toyrkikhs krishs;

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti dhmioyrgeite mia dramatikh entypwsh, h opoia den exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Den prokeitai na asxolhqw me ypoqeseis tis opoies eseis diatypwnete. Gia to qema twn eklogwn isxyei ayto poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos.

MAYRIDHS: Me sygxwreite. Den ekana kamia ektimhsh oyte ypoqesh. Milhsa gia ena endexomeno. Sas anhsyxei ayto to endexomeno... ths symperiforas ths Toyrkias;;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema twn eklogwn isxyei ayto poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos.

MAYRIDHS: Me sygxwreite. Dedomenoy ths symperiforas ths Toyrkias sas anhsyxei to endexomeno klimakwshs mias krishs;

ANTWNAROS: Rwthqhka prohgoymenws apo synadelfo sas gia sygkekrimeno qema. Apanthsa kai den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Se genikologies den prokeitai na ypeiselqw.

MANH: Xqes eixame tis dhlwseis toy k. Analyth gia ta oria syntajiodothshs. Shmera exoyme th dhlwsh toy k. Giakoymatoy, toy Yfypoyrgoy Apasxolhshs oti den tiqetai qema ayjhshs twn oriwn syntajiodothshs se ayth thn tetraetia. H erwthsh einai: Tiqetai qema meta; Sthn allh tetraetia; Deyteron, giati h kybernhsh den paroysiazei qeseis - protaseis gia na teleiwnoyme me ayto to qema; Dhladh me to ti protiqetai h kybernhsh na proteinei.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exei ginei antilhpto -- oxi se sas, pros Qeoy -- ayto to opoio exoyme pei. Gia to asfalistiko qema exoyme topoqethqei kai exoyme milhsei para polles fores. Einai safh osa exoyme pei. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

MANH: Epi toy sygkekrimenoy poy eipe o k. Giakoymatos, to safes poio einai;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na anatrejete stis dhlwseis tis opoies exoyme kanei.

MANH: Shmera ekane th dhlwsh o k. Giakoymatos. Eseis thn kanate prin apo ena mhna.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh poy moy anaferete. Isxyoyn oi dhlwseis tis opoies exoyn kanei oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh otan h kybernhsh milaei me ton k. Almoynia, den einai briefing poy parapempete se prohgoymenes dhlwseis. O k. Almoynia, loipon, zhthse apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh h opoia ekproswpeito ekeinh thn wra apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh, na proxwrhsei sto asfalistiko. O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe ston k. Almoynia, opws o idios mas eipe, oti ayto qa proxwrhsei meta tis ekloges. Ypociazomai oti o k. Almoynia frontise na maqei an aytos o xronos einai se 6 mhnes, se 1 xrono, se 8 mhnes...

ANTWNAROS: Na rwthsete ton k. Almoynia. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw ws Ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai pote problepetai apo to Syntagma na ginoyn oi ekloges kai ayto einai safes.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs enhmerwse ton k. Almoynia gia to pote qa proxwrhsoyn oi allages sto asfalistiko. H kybernhsh pote qa enhmerwsei ton ellhniko lao me poies qeseis qa paei stis ekloges gia to asfalistiko; Qa perimenei na yfarpajei prwta thn chfo toy kai meta na toy anakoinwsei poies allages qa yioqethsei gia to asfalistiko;

ANTWNAROS: Biazeste poly na ftasete stis ekloges.

KAKALHS: Oxi. Peite mas, qa tis peite prin apo tis ekloges tis qeseis sas h meta tis ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh -- kai ayto to exei apodeijei se oles anejaireta tis periptwseis se ola ta qemata -- oydepote exei aifnidiasei kanenan.

KAKALHS: Gia paradeigma ,toys symbasioyxoys toys exei aifnidiasei. Alla as mh syzhtame ayto. To qema einai pote qa thn kanei.

ANTWNAROS: Den aifnidiase pote, kanenan.

KAKALHS: Pote qa peite tis qeseis sas gia to asfalistiko; Prin tis ekloges h meta;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, skopeyete na jekinhsete dialogo gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to asfalistiko;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, kai eimai bebaios oti to gnwrizete, ginetai hdh dialogos.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw gia tis allages poy qa kanete sta lykeia. Eseis lete oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn sto telos ths tetraetias, dhladh toy xronoy ton Martio. Exoyme ena xrono akoma. Giati den tis jekinate twra;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipe kai xqes o k. Roysopoylos, o dialogos gia thn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh krathse dyomisi xronia. O dialogos kai pali qa einai diejodikos. Qa akoystoyn oles oi apoceis, den qa aifnidiastei kaneis. Qa yparjei ikanos xronos gia oloys toys emplekomenoys, toys maqhtes, toys goneis, toys kaqhghtes, wste na proetoimastoyn. Den einai qema aifnidiasmoy. Den einai qema na paroysiastei kati kainoyrio etsi sta jafnika. Proqesh mas einai na proelqei apo th syzhthsh, apo thn antallagh apocewn, mia synolikh protash, wste na odhghqoyme sth beltiwsh ths parerxomenhs apo ta Lykeia ekpaideyshs.

BLAXOS: Me ayto ton tropo omws, katadikazete mia genia se kakh ekpaideysh.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti 2 h 3 xronia antiproswpeyoyn mia genia. Pws ypologizete th genia;

BLAXOS: Tria xronia einai akribws mia genia lykeioy.

ANTWNAROS: Jerete, oi statistikologoi den qa symfwnoysan me thn ektimhsh thn opoia kanete gia th diarkeia mias genias.

BLAXOS: Etsi ki alliws einai qema. Efoson anagnwrizete oti yparxei kakh ekpaideysh kai oti prepei na allajei, ayto nomizw oti mia kybernhsh h opoia qelei na dwsei sthn epomenh genia kalh maqhsh, prepei na to kanei shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Epimenete me tis genies. Einai dikaiwma sas.

NASOPOYLOS: O k. Roysopoylos xqes, ejhggeile kai thn kataqesh dyo nomosxediwn gia ta metaptyxiaka kai thn panepisthmiakh ereyna poy opws eipe qa perasoyn apo thn paroysa Boylh, qa erqoyn meta to nomo - plaisio. Ayta ta nomosxedia einai etoima.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, gi` ayta ta qemata na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias.

NASOPOYLOS: Kai qa yparjei dialogos gi` ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Gia ola ta qemata yparxei dialogos. Ftanei aytoi oi opoioi kaloyntai na symmetasxoyn, na symmetexoyn kai na mhn apexoyn prosxhmatika.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to oti anakoinwsate xqes espeysmena allages sto lykeio...

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipota espeysmeno.

GKOYTZANHS: Na exw to qarros ths gnwmhs moy;

ANTWNAROS: Moy epitrepete omws ki emena apo thn pleyra moy, na ekfrazw thn kybernhtikh topoqethsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Swsto. To oti anakoinwsate xqes kata thn apoch moy espeysmena, kata th dikh sas oxi, tis allages poy qa kanete sto lykeio gia ena dialogo o opoios qa arxisei se ena xrono gia na chfistei meta endexomenws, otan teleiwsei, ayto mas kanei na nomizoyme oti apla biasthkate na prolabete to PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: To dikaiwma na nomizete o,ti epiqymeite den qa tolmoysa pote na sas to afairesw. Alla, sas ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora, ayto poy eipa eisagwgika --kai an qelete eyxaristws na sas diabasw kai to sxetiko apospasma oti se omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, se syzhthsh pro hmerhsias diatajews sth Boylh gia thn Paideia, stis 8 Noembrioy toy 2004 -dhladh prin apo 2,5 peripoy xronia anaferontai oi basikes skeceis, to basiko programma ths kybernhshs gia ta sygkekrimena qemata. Synepws qa elega oti osoi biazontai na poyn oti prokeitai gia kati to opoio espeysmena, opws eipate, efere h kybernhsh, mallon den einai kala plhroforhmenoi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Espeysmena ejaggelqhke mallon. H mallon me kaqysterhsh dyo etwn apo tis prwtes dhlwseis, opws eseis lete.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sthn topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Eyxaristws na sas moirasw meta thn omilia, gia na deite oti yparxei mia, an qelete, klimakwsh, mia xronikh ejelijh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den eixe mpei dhladh sto syrtari ayth h ypoqesh gia th deyterobaqmia;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Giati edw kai dyo xronia, den einai yperarketos xronos;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, sas ejhgw oti ola ta pragmata exoyn mia xronikh ejelijh mesa sthn opoia ginontai antikeimeno epejergasias, etsi wste na apodwsoyn ta megista ofelh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ean epitrepete, ejaggelletai kati, to opoio -symfwna me ton Typo toylaxiston- xarakthrizetai kaqara proeklogiko. H aisqhsh poy yparxei gia tis xqesines akrws sobares ejaggelies gia th Deyterobaqmia einai oti exoyn proeklogiko xarakthra, afoy o dialogos qa jekinhsei twra, qa krathsei mexri tis ekloges kai to nomosxedio qa chfistei meta tis ekloges.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipota poy na dikaiologei ton xarakthrismo ton opoio eseis dinete. Einai o programmatismos ths kybernhshs poy me synepeia proseggizei ena-ena ta qemata, etsi wste h proetoimasia h opoia qa ginei na einai plhrhs, sfairikh kai apodotikh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, dyo megala qemata, Asfalistiko kai Deyterobaqmia Ekpaideysh, pane meta tis ekloges. Ola ta megala qemata parapempontai gia meta tis ekloges.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, epilegete na agnohsete ta megala qemata sta opoia h kybernhsh dinei lyseis -- poy den einai panta agaphtes apo oloys -- prin apo tis ekloges. Dhladh kata th diarkeia ayths ths qhteias ths Boylhs. Sas parapempw sthn poly shmantikh metarryqmish gia thn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh, h opoia syzhtietai kai oloklhrwnetai aytes tis hmeres sto Koinoboylio.

BLAXOS: Eipate prohgoymenws ``den gnwrizw na exei programma to PASOK''. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean thn Kyriakh to prwi qa pate sto SEF na akoysete ton Giwrgo Papandreoy gia na katalabete ean exei programma to PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws gia na proanaggelloyn thn anakoinwsh programmatos, ayth th stigmh den exoyn programma.

BLAXOS: Ean sas kaloyse to PASOK, qa phgainate;

ANTWNAROS: Egw, opws jerete, exw enan sygkekrimeno kybernhtiko rolo. Oi prosklhseis prepei na apeyqynontai se opoion ferei kapoio ajiwma me th synhqismenh qesmikh diadikasia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh gia ta qemata genikotera ths Paideias kai ths Deyterobaqmias kai gia ta qemata toy nomosxedioy gia thn ereyna kai ta metaptyxiaka parapemcate sthn k. Giannakoy, me balate ston peirasmo na rwthsw gia poion logo den ejaggelqhkan oi allages gia thn Deyterobaqmia Ekpaideysh apo thn idia thn Ypoyrgo Paideias. Yparxei mhpws -kai as me sygxwrhsete gia to sxolio poy qa kanw- zhthma ypotimhshs h paramerhshs, as to pw etsi, ths armodias Ypoyrgoy k. Giannakoy;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe allo. Allwste exei topoqethqei kai h k. Giannakoy. An anatrejete se dikes ths topoqethseis qa to diapistwsete. Opws sas eixa pei, h k. Giannakoy eixe, exei kai qa exei th sthrijh olwn twn melwn ths kybernhshs. Sas eipa omws, oti ayth htan mia topoqethsh thn opoia arxika -- prin apo arketo kairo -- eixe kanei o Prwqypoyrgos kai synepws apo ayth th qesh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy, o k. Roysopoylos, anaferqhke se perissotera shmeia kaqws kai sto sxediasmo, ston programmatismo ths kybernhshs. Ayto einai kati apolytws fysiko. Exei ginei kai se alla qemata kat` epanalhch.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den yparxei qema, dhladh, paramerismoy ths k. Giannakoy.

ANTWNAROS: Molis apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn epistrofh toy k. Papandreoy sth synainesh kai to ``nai'' poy edwse sto nomo-plaisio gia ta Panepisthmia xqes. To ``nai'' epi ths oysias, ekkwfantiko, qa elega.

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, o k. Papandreoy, sta qemata ths Paideias, exei allajei kat` epanalhcin tis qeseis toy. To oti anagnwrizei thn orqothta twn epilogwn ths shmerinhs kybernhshs gia to qema ths Tritobaqmias Ekpaideyshs einai eyxaristo. Topoqethqhke allwste ep` aytoy xqes kai h Ypoyrgos Paideias sth Boylh, kata th syzhthsh sthn Epitroph.

KAKALHS: Mias kai anaferate thn Ypoyrgo Paideias hqela na prosqesw: H k. Giannakoy ton eyxaristhse, ean den kanw laqos, ton k. Papandreoy gia tis qeseis poy ejefrase. Qa kanei to idio, aisqanetai thn anagkh na to kanei, kai o Prwqypoyrgos, anakalwntas ta osa eixe pei sthn arxh toy mhna sth Boylh, se baros toy Arxhgoy toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos topoqeteitai ``se baros'' opws eipate -gia na xrhsimopoihsw th dikh sas ekfrash- kanenos.

KAKALHS: Eixe milhsei gia hgeth poy phgainei genikotera sto reyma k.t.l.

ANTWNAROS: O kaqe politikos aytoprosdiorizetai apo ta logia toy kai apo tis prajeis toy. Kai ayto kanei kai o k. Papandreoy.

KAKALHS: To ``nai'' poy edwse o k. Papandreoy sta idiwtika panepisthmia h mallon h anafora toy sta idiwtika panepisthmia xqes, enisxyei...

ANTWNAROS: Den qa koyrastw na sas diorqwnw kai na lew oti den yparxoyn kai den qa yparjoyn sthn Ellada idiwtika panepisthmia.

KAKALHS: Hqela na pw, h anafora toy k. Papandreoy sta idiwtika panepisthmia, enisxyei thn ektimhsh oti qa symmetasxei kai sthn Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, meta tis ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas exw pei kai alles fores, den prokeitai na prokatalabw th synqesh ths epomenhs Boylhs h thn symperifora twn kommatwn poy qa apartizoyn thn epomenh Boylh.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, s` ayth th qhteia, h kybernhsh asxolhqhke me thn Tritobaqmia Ekpaideysh. Kai sthn epomenh qhteia qa asxolhqei me th Deyterobaqmia. Synolikos sxediasmos gia thn ekpaideysh yparxei h to plano einai mia baqmida ana tetraetia;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto akribws einai to opoio profanws osoi blepoyn ta qemata apospasmatika den epiqymoyn na antilhfqoyn kai den anaferomai se esas k. Manh. Jerete oti to Ypoyrgeio Paideias exei ferei mia seira nomosxediwn ta opoia exoyn chfistei apo th Boylh. An qymoymai kala, 17 h 18 me to shmerino, alla den eimai apolyta bebaios gia ton ariqmo. Sas ypenqymizw -- to anefere allwste xqes kai o k. Roysopoylos -- oti exei prohghqei to poly shmantiko nomosxedio, poy egine nomos toy kratoys, gia thn ajiologhsh to opoio efarmozetai para ta osa lene orismenoi. Synepws h proseggish thn opoia kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh sta qemata Paideias einai synolikh. H Paideia, opws exoyme pei polles fores kai den qa koyrastoyme na to leme, einai ekeino to pedio apo th beltiwsh toy opoioy ejartatai to mellon ths xwras, ejartatai to mellon twn paidiwn mas, ejartatai kai h anaptyjh ths patridas mas. Synepws, einai kati to opoio oloi mazi prepei na proseggizoyme, me to epiballomeno aisqhma eyqynhs. Kai h kybernhsh exei apodeijei oti thn eyqynh ayth th diaqetei se ola ta qemata poy aforoyn sthn kybernhtikh drasthriothta kai eidika otan prokeitai gia qemata Paideias. Sta qemata Paideias, sas ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora, diejhxqh enas dialogos, poy krathse dyomish xronia. Krathse ena ikano xroniko diasthma, akribws giati oi allages, oi metarryqmiseis se ayto to xwro den mporoyn na einai embalwmatikes. Prepei na einai oysiastikes na apoblepoyn sth beltiwsh ths parexomenhs dhmosias Paideias se baqos xronoy, etsi wste, oi genies stis opoies anaferqhke prohgoymenws o synadelfos sas, na wfeloyntai kai se baqos xronoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diabazw edw pera apo fraseis toy k. Papandreoy apo th xqesinh toy omilia sth Boylh: Xarakthrise to nomosxedio proxeiro kai xwris orama. Eipe epishs oti apotelei mia kwmikotragikh prospaqeia na anasthlwqei epikoinwniaka h eikona ths kybernhshs. Epishs, eipe gia ton k. Karamanlh oti qelhse na to xeiristei o idios epikoinwniaka kai epifaneiaka. Poy blepete th symfwnia toy k. Papandreoy me ayto to nomosxedio;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy, xqes, anaferqhke -an qymamai kala- se tessera shmeia, ta opoia xarakthrise dikh toy protash gia to qema ths Tritobaqmias Ekpaideyshs. Ta tessera shmeia ta opoia epikalesthke den qa elega oti einai taytoshma, alla einai poly kontina, antapokrinontai stis leptomereiakes telikes protaseis oi opoies exoyn eisaxqei apo thn kybernhsh pros chfish, aytes tis hmeres, apo th Boylh. Aytes tis hmeres sthn Epitroph, thn allh ebdomada sthn Olomeleia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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