Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-03-01

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 1 Martioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 60116972

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 1 Martioy 2007

Xairete kai kalo mhna.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta th nea proklhsh twn Toyrkwn sto qema toy Ah Strath kai tis aysthres, qa elega, dhlwseis poy ekane o Arxhgos GEEQA, qa mporoyse kanenas na ypoqesei oti oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis briskontai se mia krish; Kai qa hqela epishs na moy peite an eginan parastaseis apo thn pleyra ths Elladas pros Toyrkia, NATO kai E.E. kai an aytes oi ejelijeis, nomizete oti eynooyn erxomo sthn Ellada toy k. Gkioyl.

ANTWNAROS: Qesate polla qemata mazi se mia erwthsh. Isxyei h xqesinh moy apanthsh sto sygkekrimeno qema. Prin apo ligo, erwthqhke, ej oswn gnwrizw kai edwse diejodikes kai leptomereis apanthseis gia to qema ayto kai o Ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, apo toys diapisteymenoys synadelfoys sas. Ypogrammizw, gia mia akomh fora, ayto poy eipa kai xqes: H Ellada jerei na proaspizetai -- kai proaspizetai apotelesmatika -- ta eqnika ths symferonta kai ta kyriarxika ths dikaiwmata. Sxetika me ton k. Gkioyl, den exw apo thn pleyra moy, na prosqesw tipote se osa eipa xqes erwthqeis edw sthn aiqoysa gia to idio qema.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Opws gnwrizete, hdh h kypriakh kybernhsh ypegrace me th Gallia mia amyntikh synergasia spoydaias shmasias. Qa hqela na moy peite pws thn sxoliazei h ellhnikh kybernhsh apo apoch politikoamyntikh. Pws to blepete san kinhsh ths kypriakhs kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw prajeis, prwtoboylies allwn kratwn. Bebaiws, einai mesa sta kyriarxika dikaiwmata poy exei h Kypriakh Dhmokratia ws plhres melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai ws xwra - melos toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn na synaptei dieqneis symfwnies.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes eixame epeisodia sth Nomikh Sxolh metajy foithtwn kai opws kataggelqhke kai agnwstwn atomwn. Polloi miloysan gia mpraboys. Shmera to prwi, ychlobaqmo stelexos ths ONNED, eipe oti h katastash sta panepisthmia einai ekryqmh kai mporei na xyqei aima. Sas problhmatizei h genikeysh epeisodiwn kai prospaqeies anakatalhchs poy mporei na odhghsoyn se akraies katastaseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na genikeysoyme. Blepw, omws, oti genikeyete kai dinete kai enan dramatiko tono sta osa eipate. Egw ekeino to opoio exw na pw gia aytes tis xqesines eikones, einai oti se prajeis bias katafeygoyn osoi den exoyn epixeirhmata.

KAKALHS: Dhladh oi Onnedites.

ANTWNAROS: Laqos katalabate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh egine erwthsh, exete plhrh eikona gia to poioi meteixan sta epeisodia; Dhladh, htan foithtes me mpraboys h htan foithtes metajy toys;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo, pera apo osa eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dieykrinistikh htan h erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sas eyxaristw poly.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Sto prohgoymeno qema me ta eqnika, mas apanthsate opws mas exete apanthsei arketes fores oti h Ellada jerei na proaspizetai kai yperaspizetai apotelesmatika ta eqnika ths qemata kai ta eqnika ths symferonta. Ti sas empodizei na mas lete ligo pio analytika poies einai oi energeies poy kanei; Giati xqes rwthsame ean eginan diabhmata pros th natoikh pleyra kai mas apanthsate pws exoyn ginei oi deoyses energeies.

ANTWNAROS: Oi deoyses energeies, sas eipa epi lejei, exoyn ginei pros tis armodies arxes ths Symmaxias. Gia perissoteres leptomereies einai armodio to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Emeis eixame rwthsei ean eginan diabhmata.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti perissoteres leptomereies edwse, ej oswn gnwrizw, se erwthseis oi opoies toy eginan shmera, o Ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhmosieyetai shmera ston Typo h protash prytanews symfwna me thn opoia oi foithtes qa prepei na katabaloyn didaktra kai se proptyxiako epipedo kai ayta na syllegontai kai meta na didontai antapodotika. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean h kybernhsh antimetwpizei ena tetoio endexomeno.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Ayth einai mia protash, opws eipate, enos prytanews, enos panepisthmiakoy o opoios diatypwse profanws thn proswpikh toy apoch. H qesh ths kybernhshs gia th dhmosia Paideia einai safhs.

SPYRAKH: Epishs kyrie Ekproswpe qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean to anoixto endexomeno poy afhse h k. Giannakoy na orizetai o ariqmos twn eisaktewn sta panepisthmia ana tetraetia  me bash th symfwnia poy qa kanoyn ta panepisthmia me to Ypoyrgeio Paideias- syndeetai kai me thn perikoph ths xrhmatodothshs opws didetai h eikona ayth shmera apo ton Typo.

ANTWNAROS: Ta qemata ayta, etsi opws eseis ta paroysiazete, einai asyndeta to ena me to allo. Ejalloy, h k. Giannakoy exei topoqethqei me polles leptomereies aytes tis hmeres sth Boylh. Qa hqela omws kai egw na synocisw kapoia pragmata gia na sas dwsw mia eikona: Kai shmera, me to isxyon systhma gia thn eisagwgh twn ypochfiwn sta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata, sta panepisthmia kai sta TEI, oi Anwtates Sxoles apo koinoy me to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kaqorizoyn ton ariqmo twn eisaktewn se kaqe sxolh, se kaqe panepisthmio. Ta panepisthmia kanoyn kaqe xrono eishghseis, ypoballoyn, an qelete, protaseis oson afora ton ariqmo twn ypochfiwn poy krinoyn oti qa hqelan na dexqoyn, to kaqe panepisthmio jexwrista. Ayth h protash phgainei sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias to opoio exei kai ton teliko logo. Xarakthristika sas lew oti se oles tis periptwseis -- nomizw me ejairesh mia, symfwna me thn plhroforhsh poy exw -- to Ypoyrgeio Paideias egkrinei h orizei ariqmo eisaktewn o opoios einai shmantika ychloteros twn eisaktewn atomwn poy proteinoyn ta panepisthmia. Ekeino to opoio eipe h k. Giannakoy -- apodexqhke mia sxetikh protash kata th syzhthsh sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs -- einai oti apo toyde kai sto ejhs o programmatismos aytos qa ginetai me bash thn tetraetia, dhladh basei twn symfwniwn tetraetoys diarkeias tis opoies problepei to kainoyrgio nomosxedio. Sygkekrimena, oi protaseis qa ginontai pali apo ta panepisthmia, apo to kaqe ena panepisthmio jexwrista. Qa fqanei ayth h protash sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai to Ypoyrgeio Paideias, opws kai twra, etsi kai me th nea ryqmish qa exei ton teliko logo gia ton orismo toy ariqmoy twn eisaktewn se kaqe sxolh, se kaqe panepisthmio. Ekeino poy allazei einai oti pame se kalytero programmatismo ef` oson, symfwna me tis ryqmiseis toy kainoyrgioy nomoy o opoios chfizetai aytes tis hmeres sth Boylh, o programmatismos gia ta panepisthmia qa einai tetraetoys diarkeias. Kai etsi oloi -- kai ta panepisthmia kai to kratos, an qelete, alla kyriws oi endiaferomenoi gia thn eisagwgh toys stis anwtates sxoles -- qa mporoyn na kanoyn kalytero programmatismo. Qa jeroyn poy mporoyn na stoxeysoyn. Molis ekana mia synoptikh paroysiash. Yparxoyn kai leptomereies gia tis opoies osoi endiaferontai qa prepei na apotaqoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias.

SPYRAKH: Ean moy epitrepete kyrie Ekproswpe to epimaxo shmeio einai oti h Ypoyrgos Paideias synedese ayton ton tetraeth programmatismo, thn tetraeth symfwnia twn Idrymatwn me to Ypoyrgeio me to zhthma ths oikonomikhs xrhmatodothshs apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs pros ta kratika Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata. Yparxei tetoio zhthma, dhladh o ariqmos twn eisaktewn qa einai aytos enas paragontas poy qa kaqorizei to poso ths xrhmatodothshs pros ta Idrymata;

ANTWNAROS: Sas ejhgw oti olo ayto to qema ths tetraetoys symfwnias einai qema programmatismoy. Alla kai twra ton ariqmo twn eisaktewn ton orizoyn apo koinoy oi dyo pleyres me ton teliko logo na ton exei panta to Ypoyrgeio Paideias.

SPYRAKH: Allo rwthsa. Rwthsa ean o ariqmos twn eisaktewn einai paragontas poy kaqorizei to poso ths xrhmatodothshs pros ta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata me bash to nomo nomosxedio poy qa ginei nomos kai problepei tetraeth symfwnia.

ANTWNAROS: Exw thn entypwsh -- kai den anaferomai se esas, alla genika stis paroysiaseis poy ginontai -- oti ayto to qema ginetai antikeimeno yperaploysteyshs. Epeidh prokeitai gia mia kainoyrgia ryqmish poy qa problepei akribws ton programmatismo ths leitoyrgias enos Anwtatoy Ekpaideytikoy Idrymatos gia tessera xronia, se baqos xronoy, ginontai aytes oi syndeseis oi opoies den exoyn ayth thn aplh morfh me thn opoia paroysiazontai.

MPOTSARAKOS: To erwthma einai to ejhs: Pws qa kanei programmatismo to panepisthmio gia 4 xronia, otan opws symbainei mexri twra qa symbainei kai sto mellon. To Ypoyrgeio Paideias na apofasizei gia perissoteroys ypochfioys ap` o,ti eishgeitai to panepisthmio poy kanei kai ton programmatismo toy. Pws qa bgei o programmatismos twn 4 etwn, otan aytos poy exei ton teliko logo, to Ypoyrgeio Paideias, pairnei apofash gia perissoteroys ypochfioys ap` osoys antexoyn ta oikonomika toy panepisthmioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai apolyta sigoyros oti h krish h opoia ginetai -- xwris na amfisbhthsw thn eyqykrisia twn panepisthmiakwn arxwn -- basizetai apolyta sthn sxesh metajy eisaktewn, eisagomenwn kai xrhmatwn ta opoia briskontai sth diaqesh twn panepisthmiwn. H apoch thn opoia, ap` o,ti gnwrizw, ekfrazoyn polles fores ta panepisthmia gia mikrotero ariqmo eisaktewn, exei sxesh me thn episthmonikh ektimhsh poy kanoyn polles fores ws pros to proswpiko kai thn ypodomh poy xreiazetai, wste na ekpaideytei kapoios. Dhladh, na parei ekeinh thn episthmonikh kai akadhmaikh gnwsh thn opoia xreiazetai kapoios o opoios eisagetai sto panepisthmio. Allwste, gi` ayto lew oti prokeitai gia mia kainoyria synolikh proseggish. Mhn jexnate oti o neos nomos  plaisio gia thn tritobaqmia ekpaideysh einai ena plegma ryqmisewn poy to ena kommati toy syndeetai me to allo. Ayth th stigmh exoyme -- fer` eipein -- poly megalo ariqmo foithtwn, oi opoioi synexizoyn na einai eggegrammenoi gia para, para polla xronia. Me tis nees ryqmiseis, o ariqmos aytos twn foithtwn qa meiwqei. Pisteyw oti oi perissoteroi qa kanoyn xrhsh twn dynatothtwn poy toys dinoyn oi nees ryqmiseis, wste na oloklhrwsoyn tis spoydes toys kai na bgoyn ejw, na anazhthsoyn thn apasxolhsh ston tomea opoy exoyn epilejei na stadiodromhsoyn.

KAKALHS: Kai sto isxyon kaqestws, kai sto shmerino kaqestws gia toys eisakteoys sta panepisthmia alla kai se ayto poy proanhggeile h Ypoyrgos gia ta programmata tetraetias ton teliko logo, kyriarxika, ton exei to Ypoyrgeio Paideias. To kainoyrio poio einai, an oxi h syndesh me th xrhmatodothsh; Dhladh, synepws h meiwsh ths xrhmatodothshs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti stoxos mas einai h anabaqmish ths domhs kai ths leitoyrgias se baqos xronoy. Prokeitai gia ena plegma ryqmisewn. Epomenws, den mporei kaneis na blepei ta stoixeia apospasmatika. Den to lew eidika gia sas, oyte gia kanenan allo apo toys pareyriskomenoys edw. Alla, epeidh polles fores milame mono gia th xrhmatodothsh, mono gia ton ariqmo twn eisaktewn, mono gia to asylo, mono gia th leitoyrgia twn panepisthmiwn, xrhsimo einai na proseggizei kaneis to kaqe qema jexwrista. Den einai ryqmiseis oi opoies einai  qa moy epitrecete na pw  ataktws errimmenes mesa se ena nomosxedio. Einai mia poly prosektikh, poly melethmenh, synolikh proseggish, wste na odhghqoyme se pragmatikh anabaqmish ths domhs kai ths leitoyrgias ths dhmosias Paideias. Aytos einai o stoxos mas.

KAKALHS: H tash einai na pame gia meiwsh twn eisaktewn; H boylhsh ths kybernhshs einai na pame gia meiwsh twn eisaktewn;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei shmerinh anakoinwsh ths k. Giannakoy h opoia leei akribws to antiqeto. Sas th diabazw: ``Me aformh dhmosieymata meridas toy Typoy sta opoia apokalyptetai h dhqen proqesh ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias na meiwsei ton ariqmo twn eisaktewn sta Panepisthmia kai sta TEI, epishmainontai ta ejhs: Prokeitai peri anakriboys apochs, h opoia epixeireitai na sthrixqei se ayqaireth ermhneia twn xqesinwn anakoinwsewn ths Ypoyrgoy sthn Epitroph Morfwtikwn Ypoqesewn ths Boylhs''.

Ayth einai mia jekaqarh kai desmeytikh dhlwsh ths kybernhshs. Qa to pw ayto eyqews pali, gia na mhn qewrhqei oti exw thn tash h thn proqesh na wraiopoihsw kati. Perysi, fer` eipein, o problepomenos ariqmos twn eisaktewn gia ta TEI anerxotan se 41.000 ypochfioys kai eishxqhsan telika sygkentrwnontas baqmo panw apo th bash toy deka, 28.000. Dhladh, emeinan kenes 13.000 qeseis. Mia stis treis peripoy. Den yphrje omws perikoph twn qesewn. Einai qeseis gia tis opoies ekriqh -- kai nomizw oti ayto to qema exei antimetwpistei pleon me apolyth safhneia -- oti kapoios poy den sygkentrwnei th bash, den mporei na mpei sto panepisthmio. Kati poy oytws h allws den symbainei sto ejwteriko.

KAKALHS: Me allo tropo mas lete pws ayto poy qa yparjei kai pali qa einai meiwsh twn eisaktewn. Ayto epibebaiwnete, estw me th bash toy deka.

ANTWNAROS: Qa epimeinw se ayto to qema. Epimenete na mpainoyn sta panepisthmia paidia, neoi anqrwpoi oi opoioi exoyn baqmo katw apo th bash;

GKOYTZANHS: Mas eipate oti kai o ariqmos twn eisaktewn kai ta ypoloipa einai ena plegma diatajewn kai ryqmisewn gia thn anabaqmish twn panepisthmiwn. Ayto poy rwtame emeis einai ean enas apo aytoys toys paragontes poy qa kaqorizei kai ton ariqmo twn eisaktewn einai kai h xrhmatodothsh. Ayto den exei katastei safes.

ANTWNAROS: Einai apolytws safh osa exei pei h k. Giannakoy sth Boylh. Osa qa eipwqoyn tis epomenes meres kai sthn Olomeleia, den qa afhsoyn thn paramikrh skia amfibolias gia thn orqothta twn ryqmisewn.

BLAXOS: Pantws kai xqes h k. Giannakoy alla ki eseis shmera, sas blepw se hpia stash. Dhladh, kai h k. Giannakoy xqes htan pio hpia stis ekfraseis ths kai sthn topoqethsh ths. Ekane kai aytokritikh malista oti qa eprepe na eixe apodexqei kai na eixe apo mono toy to Ypoyrgeio proxwrhsei se ayth th ryqmish poy ekane apodekth meta thn protash twn panepisthmiakwn. Ki eseis shmera stazete meli. Yparxei prwqypoyrgikh entolh na eiste pio hpioi apenanti sthn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eyxaristw poly gia ta kala sas logia. Ola osa exoyme pei s` ayth thn aiqoysa tis teleytaies 10 meres poy syzhtoyme ayto to qema sxedon se kaqhmerinh bash, ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn.

BLAXOS: Egw allo rwthsa.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apanthsw. Sas eixame pei allwste kai thn perasmenh ebdomada, otan erwthqhka se ayth thn aiqoysa, oles tis hmeres, oti h kybernhsh kataqetei tis telikes tis protaseis kai ola ta alla einai qema koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias. Ayto apodeiknyetai sthn prajh.

BLAXOS: Egw rwthsa an o Prwqypoyrgos sas exei dwsei entolh na eiste pio prosektikoi stis topoqethseis sas kai stis ekfraseis sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia tetoia entolh.

BLAXOS: Wraia, na sas kanw ena test dokimhs. Ti gnwmh exete gia thn energeia toy k. Apekh na apoxwrhsei apo ton koinoboyleytiko dialogo xqes kataggellontas to dialogo;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. O kaqenas krinetai apo tis prajeis toy.

GKOYTZANHS: Epishs mas eipate oti perysi, xwris na einai proqesh ths kybernhshs, ekeinoi oi opoioi eishxqhsan sta TEI apo 41.000 meiwqhkan stis 28.000.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

GKOYTZANHS: Xwris na htan ayth h proqesh kai na ekane mia politikh gi` ayto. Menei anoixto apo to plegma twn ryqmisewn to opoio qa ferete, xwris na einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na yparjei meiwsh toy ariqmoy twn eisaktewn.

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw ayth th stigmh na kanw ton didaskalo, alla o ariqmos twn eisaktewn shmainei ton ariqmo ekeino gia toys opoioys yparxei qesh, wste na mporoyn na eisaxqoyn. Oxi twn eisagomenwn. Yparxei diafora metajy twn eisaktewn kai twn eisagomenwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Na to kanoyme eisagomenwn giati xrhsimopoihsa laqos lejh;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto ejartatai apo ta apotelesmata ths diadikasias h opoia problepetai apo to nomo, prokeimenoy na eisaxqoyn gia na foithsoyn ta nea mas paidia, agoria kai koritsia, sta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata.

BLAXOS: Mhpws maqate gia to programma toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Den to exw dei akomh.

BLAXOS: Sas blepw omws, exete mia agwnia.

ANTWNAROS: Kamia agwnia. Blepete na exw agwnia; Eipate oti eimai poly hpios shmera... Pws einai dynaton na briskomai se agwnia kai taytoxrona na eimai hpios;

BLAXOS: Agwnia gia to programma. Den exete agwnia gia na maqete to programma toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoies agwnies.

MPOTSARAKOS: Se ena allo qema. Edw kai tria xronia enw yphrxan kapoies prwtoboylies kai apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, gia ena poly sobaro qema, ta epikindyna apoblhta, blepoyme oti mexri twra den exei ginei tipota. Kai apo oti fainetai, apo tis proqeseis poy anakoinwnontai to amesws epomeno diasthma kai pali den prokeitai na ginei tipota. Einai etsi h qa epispeysete kapoies diadikasies;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na kanw mia epishmansh se ayto poy molis eipate. Opws jerete, xqes o armodios Ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Giwrgos Soyflias paroysiase ton Eqniko Sxediasmo Diaxeirishs Epikindynwn Apoblhtwn. Gia prwth fora h Ellada apokta me prwtoboylia ths shmerinhs kybernhshs tetoio eqniko sxediasmo, o opoios, shmeiwteon basizetai se pragmatika stoixeia kai oxi se ektimhseis. Qa hqela na anaferqw ligo sto istoriko aytoy toy qematos poy apotelei mia poly shmantikh proteraiothta ths periballontikhs politikhs ths shmerinhs kybernhshs. H xwra stereito oloklhrwmenoy nomikoy plaisioy gia th diaxeirish twn epikindynwn apoblhtwn kai den eixan ylopoihqei oi apaitoymenes egkatastaseis diaxeirishs toys. Gia osoys den to gnwrizoyn ypenqymizw oti apo to 1992, prin apo 15 xronia, arxise h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph na oxlei thn Ellada. Esteile tote thn prwth epistolh oxlhshs me hmeromhnia 15 Oktwbrioy 1992, jekinwntas etsi mia diadikasia parapomphs ths xwras mas sto Dikasthrio Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, h opoia katelhje to 2003 sthn prwth katadikastikh apofash kata ths Ellados gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Ayto synebh giati gia enteka oloklhra xronia oi kybernhseis toy PASOK poy eixan tote thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras kai thn eyqynh ths prostasias toy periballontos, den ekanan apolytws tipota. Gia enteka oloklhra xronia. Mesa se tria molis xronia, antiqetws, h shmerinh kybernhsh ekane apofasistika bhmata. Prwton, enswmatwse oles tis koinotikes odhgies sto eqniko mas Dikaio kai proxwrhse sthn egkrish twn texnikwn prodiagrafwn gia th diaxeirish twn epikindynwn apoblhtwn. Twra oloklhrwqhke epishs h diadikasia poy eixe arxisei apo to 2004 gia ton Eqniko Sxediasmo Diaxeirishs twn Epikindynwn Apoblhtwn. Se ayto to plaisio ylopoieitai h basikh arxh oti to kostos ths diaxeirishs aytwn twn apoblhtwn poy apoteloyn epibarynsh gia to periballon, analambanei o idios o paragwgos aytwn twn apoblhtwn. Efarmozetai, dhladh, apo toyde kai sto ejhs, h arxh ``opoios rypainei plhrwnei''. Kai etsi jekaqarizei entelws to topio.

KAKALHS: Kai ama plhrwnei rypainei, dhladh; Kai ama mporei na plhrwsei ara mporei na rypainei.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Profanws den sas egine safes ayto poy eipa. Opoios prokalei thn paragwgh, an qelete, aytwn twn sygkekrimenwn apoblhtwn, exei basei ths eyrwpaikhs nomoqesias thn ypoxrewsh na frontisei gia thn apomakrynsh toys, gia thn ekmetalleysh twn ypoloipwn. Ayth einai h ryqmish h opoia isxyei se poly eyry pedio kai thn opoia, opws sas eipa, para tis synexeis oxlhseis, gia enteka xronia oi kybernhseis toy PASOK eixan epilejei na agnooyn epideiktika.

KAKALHS: Kai poios qa elegjei tis epixeirhseis apo th stigmh, me dedomenh thn katastash twn elegktikwn mhxanismwn kai sthn Ellada;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn elegktikoi mhxanismoi. Qa sas dwsw eyxaristws meta -- ektos ean qelete na sas thn diabasw olh  thn anakoinwsh toy k. Soyflia. Einai poly analytikh kai periexei ola ta aparaithta stoixeia.

BLAXOS: Mesa sto plaisio toy eqnikoy sxediasmoy gia th diaxeirish twn epikindynwn apoblhtwn, opws onomase o k. Soyflias, h ``kakia'' kybernhsh toy PASOK eixe apofasisei na kanei mia xwmaterh sto Grammatiko se apostash anapnohs apo th Limnh toy Maraqwna. H ``kalh'' kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias mhpws skeptetai na allajei ayto to xwro mias kai exoyn jeshkwqei kai oi katoikoi ths eyryterhs perioxhs toy Maraqwna;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite gi' ayto sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Einai eidiko qema to opoio den gnwrizw. Den syndeetai me ta epikindyna apoblhta.

RABANOS: O presbhs twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, Tsarls Ris, milwntas xqes sto synedrio toy Economist proetrece thn ellhnikh kybernhsh na synergastei me tis antistoixes kybernhseis ths Toyrkias, toy Azermpaitzan, ths Italias kai ths Gewrgias gia na epitaxynqei h diadikasia ths kataskeyhs toy agwgoy fysikoy aerioy Toyrkias  Ellados  Italias. Oysiastika synesthse na protimhsoyme fysiko aerio apo to Azermpaitzan para apo th Rwsia. To sxolio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs ep' aytoy, ean exete na peite kati gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Ris. Deyteron, ean exei allajei kati ston programmatismo gia thn teleth ths ypografhs ths Diakratikhs Symfwnias stis 6 Martioy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. H energeiakh politikh ths Elladas, opws gnwrizete, ta teleytaia xronia einai antikeimeno poly prosektikoy, poly synepoys kai apotelesmatikoy sxediasmoy.

RABANOS: Moy epitrepete; Exei allajei kati ston programmatismo oson afora thn teleth stis 6 Martioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh fainetai pws exei oristikopoihqei to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Aystralia h kanw laqos;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei oristikopoihqei kanena tajidi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Giati toylaxiston grafetai ston Typo oti exei oristikopoihqei.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei oristikopoihqei kanena tajidi. H oristikopoihsh enos tajidioy ginetai gnwsth, gnwstopoieitai me thn epishmh anakoinwsh twn sygkekrimenwn hmeromhniwn kai toy programmatos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den exei katalhjei dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia oristikopoihsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wraia. H erwthsh moy omws isxyei gia to an gnwrizei h kybernhsh tis dhlwseis poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos ths Aystralias k. Xaoyarnt, sygkrinontas thn tromokratia sto Irak me thn tromokratia sthn Ellada.

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada einai, opws oloi gnwrizoyn, mia apolytws asfalhs xwra. To diapistwnoyn ayto, 15 nomizw ekatommyria episkeptwn apo oles tis xwres poy erxontai kaqe xrono sth xwra mas. Opoiadhpote atyxhs diatypwsh den allazei ayth thn pasignwsth pragmatikothta.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh proebale to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy 18 me 26 Maioy, san apanthsh se aytoys poy elegan oti mporei na ginoyn ekloges mesa sto Maio h Ioynio...

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena oristikopoihmeno tajidi.

BLAXOS: ... Twra, eseis pali me ton tropo profanws poy den qelete na mas peite kati, ektos ean qelete na mas peite kati, pairnontas pisw oti yparxei programmatismos gia tajidi, anoigete pali to qema ths eklogologias.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa me safhneia.

BLAXOS: Ti lete gia ekloges to Maio afoy qa eimaste sthn Aystralia; Den to legame emeis.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti oristikopoihmeno tajidi den yparxei. Otan yparxoyn oristikes hmeromhnies, oson afora opoiodhpote tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto ejwteriko, aytes anakoinwnontai. Sto deytero qema: Opoios qelei na ejakoloyqhsei na asxoleitai me ayto poy eseis apokalesate eklogologia, den exei para na to kanei. Den exei omws kamia bash. Kai xqes se ayth thn aiqoysa eipa jekaqara poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, pera apo opoiandhpote amfibolia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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