Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-01-09

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 9 Ianoyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 50893882

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 9 Ianoyarioy 2007

Xairete.

" Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs opoy syzhthqhkan qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs. Exei hdh kanei analytikes dhlwseis o armodios ypoyrgos k. Tsitoyridhs. Poly synoptika monon qa sas pw oti apofasisthke h dhmioyrgia forea gia thn hlektronikh diakybernhsh koinwnikhs asfalishs poy exei ws stoxo th mhxanorganwsh, epiteloys, toy systhmatos koinwnikhs asfalishs sth xwra mas, thn chfiopoihsh twn systhmatwn. Kai bebaiws, panw ap` ola, o stoxos ejyphrethshs twn politwn einai ekeinos poy prwtistws tiqetai apo to armodio ypoyrgeio. Epishs, apofasisthke h systash Eidikoy Logariasmoy Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs gia na enisxyqoyn, se orismenes perioxes kai se fqinontes kladoys, anergoi anw twn 50 etwn.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.30 qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro ths Epitrophs Morfwtikwn Ypoqesewn k. Taso Sphliopoylo kai stis 11.00 me ton Antiproedro ths Boylhs k. Swthrh Xatzhgakh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to 1923 idryqhke h Agrofylakh. Kai to swthrion etos 2007 epanidryqhke me nomosxedio poy katateqhke xqes. Ayto ennooysate otan lete oti kanete epanidrysh toy kratoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai polla ta zhthmata ta opoia aforoyn sthn epanidrysh toy kratoys, ta gnwrizete. Antilambanomai oti o eirwnikos tropos me ton opoio antimetwpizete to qema -kai antilambaneste kai eseis- den tairiazei sto kommati ayto ths politikhs. Oi anqrwpoi aytoi exoyn taxqei -kai ergasthkan epi seira etwn kai qa synexisoyn na ergazontai- sth fylajh perioxwn oi opoies exoyn idiaitera problhmata. Opws gnwrizete, h gewrgia sth xwra mas, einai, se pososto, poly megalyterh apo to meso oro ths E.E. kai apo kaqe allh eyrwpaikh xwra, plhn twn newn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn. Ara, loipon, pisteyw oti h sobarothta me thn opoia antimetwpizei h kybernhsh to qema, apodeiknyetai kai me ayto to nomosxedio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse me ton k. Mhtsotakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse xqes ligh wra afotoy o k. Mhtsotakhs eishlqe sto nosokomeio gia tis ejetaseis tis opoies eixe programmatisei na kanei. Htan ekei kai o Ypoyrgos Ygeias k. Dhmhtrhs Abramopoylos. Na eyxhqw kai apo toy bhmatos aytoy, kalh anarrwsh ston epitimo Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias kai prwhn Prwqypoyrgo.

POYLIDOY: Ean den mporeite gia shmera, to kratate gia ayrio. Hqela na sas rwthsw, epeidh parhlqe to oroshmo poy eixe teqei arxika, an jerete na mas peite poy brisketai h ypoqesh toy agwgoy Mpoyrgkas  Alejandroypolh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy gnwrizw kai mporw na sas pw shmera einai oti exoyn oloklhrwqei plhrws oi diaboyleyseis ths ellhnikhs me th rwsikh kai th boylgarikh pleyra. Exoyn jekaqaristei ola ekeina ta shmeia ta opoia htan pros diasafhnish kai pros symfwnia. Ara, se o,ti afora thn ellhno-rwsikh kai thn ellhno-boylgarikh pleyra, to qema exei kleisei. Anamenoyme tis syzhthseis oi opoies ginontai metajy twn dyo allwn pleyrwn. Den eimai se qesh na sas pw ayth th stigmh to xronodiagramma. Pantws, h ellhnikh pleyra sto xronodiagramma sto opoio eixe desmeytei, oristikopoihse tis symfwnies ths.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, ean sxediazei h kybernhsh na anakoinwsei kai epishmws thn proqesh ths na proxwrhsei se allagh toy ejetastikoy systhmatos gia thn eisagwgh sta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata meta kai tis xqesines diarroes apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias poy anaferontai sthn anejarthtopoihsh toy lykeioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai gnwsto oti yparxei aithma twn Panepisthmiwn kai twn ekpaideytikwn organwsewn na aposyndeqei h leitoyrgia toy lykeioy apo tis panellhnies ejetaseis. To zhthma ayto den prokeitai na ejetastei kai kata synepeia na apofasistei sthn paroysa kybernhtikh qhteia.

SIDERHS: Exw mia synexeia ths prwths erwthshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poia htan h prwth, thn jexasame.

SIDERHS: Einai ekei poy antimetwpisate poly sobara, enw kai h dikh moy erwthsh sobarh htan, apla edine th diastash poy prepei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis kanete mia istorikh anadromh...

SIDERHS: Ta TEA pote qa ta ftiajete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... Opws qa legate oti to IKA idryqhke prin apo 60-70 xronia. Kapws etsi.

SIDERHS: Mas epanaferete ekei. Ta TEA pote qa ta ftiajete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti h erwthsh einai ypotimhtikh oxi mono gia ton erwthqenta, alla kai gia ton erwtwmeno.

SIDERHS: Den anaferomoyn sthn politikh diastash. Anaferomoyn sthn palaioliqikh sygkrothsh toy kratoys. Den anaferomoyn sthn istoria poy exoyn katagracei ws politikh drash, pros Qeoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh se olon ton kosmo, h en pash periptwsei sto dytiko kosmo, to yp` ariqmon ena qema einai to periballon. Ean qewroyme oti ena Swma to opoio -opws apo thn arxh exei anakoinwqei apo ton prohgoymeno Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs kai apo to shmerino Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs- exei ws stoxo toy th diafylajh ths periballontikhs klhronomias mas gyrizei pisw, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti oxi mono den parakoloyqeite ta dieqnws drwmena, alla eiste ektos epoxhs.

SIDERHS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti exoyme istorikh mnhmh kai oti qymoymaste oti apla htan mia yposxesh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai monopwlio to press room.

SIDERHS: Oxi, alla prepei na sas pw...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa exete thn eygeneia, otan exw dwsei to logo se allo dhmosiografo, synadelfo sas na perimenete kai na janarwthsete. Den prokeitai na fygw ean den apanthsw se oles tis dikes sas erwthseis. Na eiste bebaios.

SPYRAKH: Qa sas parakaloysa gia ena sxolio sxetika me th dhlwsh toy Proedroy toy PASOK oti h qesh sas kai h qesh toys se sxesh me thn Anaqewrhsh toy arqroy 16 temnontai, ayto den shmainei omws oti akoloyqoyn thn idia politikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsa arketa xqes, den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Mhpws apo xqes mexri shmera anakalycate poy leitoyrgoyn kai pws ta mh kratika mh kerdoskopika panepisthmia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, den kanate to reportaz poy sas parakalesa na kanete.

KAKALHS: To afhsa gia esas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den phgate, dhladh, sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias, ti krima. Mporw, an qelete, na sas kanonisw ena ranteboy na pate ayrio nwris to prwi gia na prolabete na erqete kai sto press room to meshmeri.

KAKALHS: Giati egw nomizw oti einai anyparkta. Ean eseis pisteyete oti einai yparkta, eseis exete thn ypoxrewsh na to apodeijete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws meta to salo poy synexizetai gyrw apo aytoys poy den strateyqhkan, h kybernhsh skeftetai na dwsei ta onomata sth dhmosiothta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw kalycei to qema apantwntas xqes. Sas eipa oti den einai qema ths kybernhshs. Einai ena qema to opoio afora thn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Sas anakoinwsa, hdh, xqes kai tis apofaseis ths Arxhs, alla kai oles tis energeies poy eginan. Qa hqela, me aformh thn erwthsh sas -kyriws me aformh tis dhlwseis toy ekproswpoy Typoy toy PASOK, xqes to brady, gia to qema twn paranomwn apallagwn apo th stratiwtikh qhteia- na epishmanw orismena epipleon shmeia: Sto PASOK kai sto zhthma ayto, opws kai se polla alla, perisseyei h ypokrisia kai o kairoskopismos. To fainomeno poy twra dhqen anakalyptoyn xarakthrise thn 20eth qhteia twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK. Paristanoyn toys kataggellontes enw sthn oysia aytoi einai oi kataggellomenoi. Oso kai an den boleyei to PASOK, h alhqeia einai oti den eimaste oloi idioi kai ayto to apodeiknyoyme sthn prajh. H kybernhsh ayth apokalyptei ola ekeina poy epi xronia sygkalyptan oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis toy PASOK. Ta sygkalyptan giati ta dhmioyrgoysan. H kybernhsh ayth diereyna diejodika kai stelnei sth Dikaiosynh kaqe ypoqesh parabiashs ths nomimothtas. H kybernhsh ayth apodeiknyei sthn prajh thn ametaklhth apofash ths na patajei fainomena adiafaneias kai kommatikhs eynoiokratias, diasfalizontas thn isothta olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn, enanti toy nomoy. H kybernhsh ayth pairnei oles tis aparaithtes qesmikes prwtoboylies wste na ekleicoyn mia gia panta fainomena poy den einai symbata me mia sygxronh eyrwpaikh politeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta fainomena ayta, opws mas lete twra, eginan epi kybernhsewn PASOK; Toylaxiston ayto, mporeite na mas to peite, ean aytoi oloi poy exoyn apallagei, exoyn apallagei epi kybernhsewn PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa xqes oti oi ypoqeseis jekinhsan na ereynwntai apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias to 2004. Mia megalh alysida ypoqesewn, krikos ths opoias -opws eipa, gia na epanalabw th xqesinh moy frash- htan h teleytaia prosfath ypoqesh poy phre megalh dhmosiothta, giati kai oi alles ypoqeseis eixan parei dhmosiothta. Prokeitai, loipon, gia mia megalh alysida sthn opoia to PASOK exei thn eyqynh, dioti thn afhse na dhmioyrghqei, ean den thn ypeqalce.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean katalaba kala, h kybernhsh einai yper ths dhmosiopoihshs twn onomatwn, alla den ths to epitrepei h anejarthth Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn kai h apofash toy StE;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xreiazetai na apanthsw sto erwthma sas. Ean parakoloyqoysate to reportaz apo thn arxh, dhladh prin apo dyo-dyomish xronia, otan jekinhse h apokalych twn ypoqesewn apo ton armodio kai tote kai shmera yfypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas k. Lampropoylo, qa diapistwnate oti tote eixan anakoinwqei onomata apo thn kybernhsh, apo ton armodio yfypoyrgo, apo thn armodia yphresia. Sth synexeia, hrqe h arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn kai apagoreyse thn opoiadhpote anafora se opoiodhpote onoma, qewrwntas oti ayto einai proswpiko dedomeno. Ean, loipon, gyrisete pisw kai diabasete stis efhmerides, tis opoies eseis grafete, to ti eixe anakoinwqei prin apo dyo-dyomish xronia, qa parete apanthsh sto erwthma poy qetete shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw anoikta, gia thn kybernhsh h apath einai proswpiko dedomeno; Giati edw prokeitai kai gia apatewnes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean h apath einai proswpiko dedomeno, h kybernhsh den qa eixe proxwrhsei se oles aytes tis energeies gia na apokalycei ayth thn apath. Ekeino to opoio apotelei proswpiko dedomeno, symfwna me thn Anejarthth Arxh, einai h dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn oswn apefygan na pane sto strato. H kybernhsh apokalyce to qema apo thn arxh. Ekeino poy kanei epi dyo xronia twra, giati milame gia xiliades ypoqeseis opws eidate, einai na ereyna oles aytes tis ypoqeseis. Xqes, sas anefera ena arketa ychlo pososto apo to opoio fanhke oti oxi den htan I5, dhladh anikanoi pros strateysh, alla ikanoi pros strateysh. Ayta apokalyfqhkan epi kybernhsews ths Neas Dhmokratias. Mhn ta jexname. Kalo einai, loipon, o k. Papandreoy h o k. Eyqymioy, anti na petoyn apo edw kai apo ekei aoristes koybentes, na rwthsoyn h ton k. Papantwnioy h ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, toys armodioys ypoyrgoys, na rwthsoyn dhladh eaytoys kai allhloys gia to ti synebaine epi 20 xronia diakybernhshs toy PASOK se ayth thn ypoqesh.

SOYGLERHS: Gia thn kybernhsh einai eqniko, politiko, koinwniko to qema; Se poia diastash mporoyme na to doyme apo edw kai pera gia na stamathsei ayto to fainomeno poy yparxei gia 20 xronia, opws anaferete poly swsta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, einai politikhs apofashs, politikhs prwtoboylias.

SOYGLERHS: Mporei na lyqei to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporei na yparxoyn ``trwktika'' ta opoia droyn katw apo th myth mias opoiasdhpote kybernhshs, alla ayto mporei na ginei gia ena mikro xroniko diasthma. Akomh kai an ginetai gia megalo xroniko diasthma, den mporei na exei tetoia ektash, opws apokalyfqhke oti ginotan epi seira etwn. Shmasia exei to ean kapoios pragmatika endiaferetai na ereynhsei kai na apokalycei. Ayth h kybernhsh, poy pragmatika endiaferetai, ereynhse kai apokalyce.

SOYGLERHS: Ean katalabainw kala, oi mhxanismoi toy stratoy se ayto to epipedo den elegxotan tosa xronia, h stratiwtikh Dikaiosynh, h opoia moiraze afeidws apolythria I5 apo strateysimoys; Einai prwtakoysto, prwtognwro. Se kamia eyrwpaikh xwra den mporei na akoystei ayto to pragma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na dwsw ws stoixeia, ta edwsa hdh apo xqes. Epanelaba kai shmera mia politikh dhlwsh. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: H frash oti ``den eimaste oloi idioi'' afora oti h kybernhsh proxwra sthn apokalych orismenwn ypoqesewn, alla pros to telos katalhgei na ta koykoylwnei; Gia paradeigma, to idio eixate kanei kai me ta paradikastika kyklwmata, to idio eixate kanei me tis ypoklopes, me tis foyskes k.t.l., alla sto telos katelhje na koykoylwsei oles tis ypoqeseis. Poy einai h diafora sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eyxaristw poy ypenqymisate megales ypoqeseis poy apokalyfqhkan epi kybernhsews Neas Dhmokratias. Estalhsan sth Dikaiosynh epi kybernhsews ths Neas Dhmokratias. Qelw na shmeiwsw oti oi ypoqeseis, ws politikh prwtoboylia, otan apokalyptontai apo mia kybernhsh dinoyn oxi mono ena mhnyma ston kosmo -poy einai poly shmantiko- gia to ti akribws ennoei o kaqenas otan leei xrhsth diakybernhsh, entimh dioikhsh kai ish antimetwpish twn politwn, alla bebaiws stelnoyn thn kaqe ypoqesh sth Dikaiosynh, wste na exei kai ta apotelesmata poy prepei. Exoyme, dhladh, treis energeies. Prwton, h ereyna kai h apokalych. Deyteron, h apostolh sth Dikaiosynh kai h Dikaiosynh qa ektelesei th dikh ths apostolh sth synexeia, den parembainei h kybernhsh sto ergo ths. Kai triton, to hqiko didagma to opoio xreiazetai opoiadhpote Politeia ws protypo stis neoteres genies. Pws ena paidi 18 etwn qa paei fantaros otan blepei oti enas diplanos toy epeidh exei kapoies politikes diasyndeseis, den qa paei fantaros; Pws qa peiseis ayto to paidi oti h Politeia, h patrida toy to sebetai kai to tima isotimws me kapoio allo; Einai loipon poly shmantiko to oti ereynatai kai apokalyptetai mia ypoqesh kai apostelletai sth Dikaiosynh. Ta apotelesmata einai qema ths Dikaiosynhs. Den mporei h kybernhsh sth synexeia na paei sth Dikaiosynh kai na pei oti prepei na epiblhqei h alfa, h bhta, h gama poinh. Einai loipon -kai gia mia akomh fora to lew- shmantiko oti apokalyptontai. Kai eyxaristw poy qymisate treis-tesseris apo tis ypoqeseis, oi opoies apokalyfqhkan sta dyomish xronia diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias.

KAKALHS: Yparxei, omws, kai allh prajh sth synexeia, to koykoylwma. Sthn prajh telika den ginetai tipota kai anaparagontai diarkws ayta ta fainomena kai epi dikh sas qhteias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite; Qelete na to kanete pio sygkekrimeno;

KAKALHS: Qelete na peite, dhladh, oti shmera den synexizoyn na leitoyrgoyn kapoia kyklwmata sth Dikaiosynh me ton idio tropo; Exoyn ejaleifqei ayta ta fainomena h sto strato den synexizoyn... .

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa apanthsw -kai fobamai oti qa ginw koyrastikos- me to idio poy exw pei kai alles fores: Yparxoyn nomoi kai yparxei kai parabatikothta. Shmasia exei mia politikh ejoysia, h kybernhsh en prokeimenw, oxi mono gia na dwsei to kalo paradeigma, alla giati gi` ayto chfisthke apo ton Ellhna polith, na mhn parabiazei toys nomoys. Na frontizei wste na throyntai oi kanones. Kai ayth h kybernhsh ayto prospaqei na kanei.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epimeinw sto qema ths agrofylakhs, oxi gia na kanw plaka opws to phrate, alla epeidh einai h symbolikh apeikonish mias ejoysias poy koita pros ta pisw. Anaferate logoys periballontos. Oloi qymomaste to 1993 otan den proselhfqhsan ekeinoi oi agrofylakes, toys eixate yposxeqei, ebgainan oi anqrwpoi sta kanalia se paraqyra kai to elegan, oti qa toys janaparete. Kai xqes, yparxei eidikh rhtra sto nomosxedio poy leei oti kata parekklish toy oroy oti prepei na einai apo 21 ews 35 etwn, ekeinoi poy eixan proslhfqei tote qa toys janaparei me ypoyrgikh apofash. Qa mporei na einai twra kai 50 etwn. Entajei, na broyn doyleia oi anqrwpoi, alla einai mias monternas, sygxronhs kybernhshs praktikh ayth; Dhmioyrgei ena swma gia na kalycei tis yposxeseis toy 1993;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw dyo pragmata: Prwton, ayto poy eipa kai prohgoymenws oti prepei na skeftomaste se sxesh me to periballon opws skeftontai kai oi alloi laoi. Kai na prospaqoyme, oxi mono se ayto bebaiws, giati den antimetwpizontai ta problhmata toy periballontos me ayto gia na mhn dhmioyrghqoyn lanqasmenes entypwseis h na mhn ginoyn epishs lanqasmena sxolia. Einai ena kommati mias periballontikhs politikhs, h opoia anaferetai -opws eipa- sth gewrgikh Ellada, sthn Ellada poy se meso oro posostoy einai poly panw apo ton koinotiko meso oro, se sxesh me thn enasxolhsh twn katoikwn me th gewrgia. Deyteron, den einai kaqoloy opisqodromiko to na threi -ektos ki ean ftasame se ayto to shmeio- ena komma tis proeklogikes desmeyseis toy otan ginetai kybernhsh. Ean loipon, qewroyme oti to na thrhqoyn oi desmeyseis enos kommatos, oi opoies eyqews teqhkan stoys Ellhnes polites, opisqodromikh politikh prajh, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti kai se ayto exw antiqeth apoch.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh proballete thn apofash ths Arxhs Proswpikwn Dedomenwn gia th mh dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn, den ypokeitai se koinoboyleytiko elegxo ayth h Arxh; Den exei h kybernhsh thn koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia; Sas qymizw oti se mia allh Anejarthth Arxh, o dieyqynwn symboylos ths einai kathgoroymenos gia apath. Sthn Epitroph Antagwnismoy anaferomai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme Anejarthtes Arxes katoxyrwmenes apo to Syntagma kai exoyme kai dioikhtikes Anejarthtes Arxes. Den exei kamia shmasia na kanw th diakrish. Exei shmasia oti ayta ta zhthmata poy syzhtame twra exoyn apofasistei se epipedo twn anwtatwn dikasthriwn, se o,ti afora ta proswpika dedomena, afoy efarmozetai enas sygkekrimenos nomos me bash to Syntagma, o opoios chfisthke prin apo merika xronia. Sth Boylh ginontai erwthseis kai yparxei sthn eyqynh toy ypoyrgoy h apanthsh mexri toy shmeioy ekeinoy poy epitrepei h mh parabiash twn proswpikwn dedomenwn, ths Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, ston opoiondhpote boyleyth erwthsei enan ypoyrgo.

BLABIANOS: Qa yparjoyn kyrwseis kai ean nai ti eidoys se osoys katastrathghsan to nomo sta zhthmata strateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h stratiwtikh Dikaiosynh exei epilhfqei kai bebaiws qa yparjoyn kapoies kyrwseis. Einai aytonohto oti otan kapoios exei parabiasei to nomo, toys kanonismoys toy Swmatos sto opoio ergazetai, qa ypoballetai kai se kyrwseis.

SIDERHS: Den qa prepei na diaforopoihsete to rolo kai tis dikaiodosies twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn; Omologw oti den to hjera, shmera diabasa oti den mporese na ginei koinoboyleytikos elegxos gia tis apodoxes ergazomenwn kai stelexwn ths ERT epeidh h Anejarthth Arxh Proswpikwn Dedomenwn apagoreyse na staloyn sto koinoboylio se boyleytes toy PASOK oi misqologikes katastaseis. Apo poy kai ws poy; Apo poy aryei to dikaiwma h Anejarthth Arxh na apagoreyei ton koinoboyleytiko elegxo kai thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei shmasia, katarxas na dieykrinisw, to poios boyleyths rwtaei. To idio qa eixe symbei kai an htan boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Na sas to dwsw me ena paradeigma...

SIDERHS: Ths antipoliteyshs qa htan. Oxi, epeidh egine etsi kai einai pragmatiko to gegonos, gi` ayto to lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H yphresia sthn opoia briskomaste ypebale ena sxetiko erwthma gia atoma poy exoyn panw apo 30 h 35 xronia asfalistikh kalych kai prepei na bgoyn sth syntajh. Kapoioi mporei na mh qeloyn na bgoyn sth syntajh kai yparxoyn tetoia fainomena. Apagoreyetai loipon na maqei h yphresia ean kapoios, o k. Siderhs, o k. Roysopoylos, o k. ``opoiosdhpote'' exei sto asfalistiko toy tameio, perissotera apo ta xronia ekeina ta opoia epitrepetai, na bgei sth syntajh. Ara, loipon, to exw antimetwpisei ki egw apo th qesh toy Ypoyrgoy se ayth thn yphresia to qema.

SIDERHS: Mporei na allajei h dikaiodosia ths gia logoys dhmosioy symferontos, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti exoyme ena nomo, exoyme mia Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, exoyme ena Syntagma, exoyme en prokeimenw gia ta proswpika dedomena kapoies dikastikes apofaseis. Sto sygkekrimeno qema poy syzhtame de -den milame gia allo qema kai paremferws to xrhsimopoiei kapoios- toy strateymatos poy dhmioyrghqhke teleytaia, yparxoyn apofaseis twn dikasthriwn. Mhn to koyrazoyme perissotero, den nomizw oti qa bgei kati.

MANH: H kybernhsh den parembainei sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs, ayto einai safes. H kybernhsh omws enoxleitai gia thn kwlysiergia sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs; Mesa stis giortes eidame polloys kathgoroymenoys gia thn ypoqesh toy paradikastikoy kyklwmatos na apofylakizontai. Kamia dikh den exei oristei, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs edeije thn enoxlhsh toy, wstoso o 18xronos poy epikalesthkate prin, eide tis xeiropedes alla eide kai tis apofylakiseis. Ayth h perifhmh ``epitaxynsh'' toy ergoy ths Dikaiosynhs, poso qa menei etsi gramma keno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia politikh prwtoboylia thn opoia gnwrizete, gia thn epitaxynsh toy ergoy ths Dikaiosynhs apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo. Exei ginei mia seira apo energeies. Apo ena shmeio kai meta, ofeiloyme oloi na sebastoyme to xrono poy xreiazetai h Dikaiosynh gia na ejantlhsei mia ypoqesh. Den mporei na epiblhqei apo thn politikh hgesia sth Dikaiosynh, oti o xronos qa einai A h B. O monos h o teleytaios poy egw qymamai na to ekane htan o Alejios o Komnhnos poy eixe qesei orio ta dyo xronia. Ektote den yparxei kapoios allos.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite ean ta kratika mh kerdoskopika panepisthmia qa exoyn prosbash se dhmosioys poroys kai qa epixorhgoyntai apo ton kratiko proypologismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otidhpote exei na kanei me ayto to qema, antilambaneste oti qa apotelesei antikeimeno megalhs dhmosias syzhthshs kai dhmosias diaboyleyshs, apo th stigmh poy qa prepei na ginei efarmostikos nomos toy Syntagmatos. As perimenoyme na chfistei apo thn epomenh Boylh to arqro 16 kai en synexeia h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias desmeyetai oti qa kanei enan eyry anoixto dialogo me oloys toys endiaferomenoys. Qa akoysei tis apoceis, etsi wste o nomos aytos o opoios qa efarmozei th sygkekrimenh diatajh, to anaqewrhmeno arqro 16, na einai o kalyteros dynatos.

SPYRAKH: Me bash thn topoqethsh toy PASOK ektimaei h kybernhsh oti exei epiteyxqei h minimum synainesh poy xreiazetai h anaqewrhsh toy arqroy 16;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Menw sth xqesinh moy dhlwsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh oi plhrofories lene oti yparxoyn kai onomata politikwn mesa se ekeinoys poy apefygan th strateysh, ti qa ginei dhladh; H ellhnikh koinwnia endexomenws na chfizei kapoioys boyleytes oi opoioi paranomws apefygan th strateysh toys; H kai kanonika, an to qelete. Einai stoixeio to opoio den qa prepei na jeroyn oi chfoforoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo thn topoqethsh moy pisteyw oti exete katanohsei poia einai h proswpikh qesh kai pisteyw kai qesh para pollwn anqrwpwn. To na elegxesai otan eisai sthn politikh einai to yp` ariqmon ena stoixeio. To na dexesai ton elegxo, epishs akoloyqei. Kata synepeia den exw na sas pw tipota perissotero apo to oti pisteyw pws oydeis o opoios asxoleitai me thn politikh prepei na exei fobo gia tetoioy eidoys qemata. Den mporw na pw kati parapanw apo th stigmh poy gnwrizete kala oti akoloyqoyntai oi diadikasies me bash to Syntagma mas.

KAKALHS: Aiwreitai omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To antilambanomai. Kai epeidh aiwreitai genikws, antilambaneste oti blaptei thn politikh. Pisteyw, loipon, oti h politikh kai oi politikoi, ws proswpa drwnta entos ayths, den qa exoyn kanena logo na foboyntai thn opoiadhpote dhmosiopoihsh poy na toys afora.

Sas eyxaristw.

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