Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-01-10

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 10 Ianoyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 51038267

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 10 Ianoyarioy 2007

Xairete.

Ayrio, stis 10:30, qa pragmatopoihqei h akyrwqeisa synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Karamanlh me thn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh, sto grafeio toy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias sth Rhgillhs, kaqoson amesws meta synedriazei to Politiko Symboylio toy kommatos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete akoysei kai eseis ton problhmatismo poy anaptyssetai ta teleytaia 24wra gia to an h Epitroph Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn exei thn apolyth armodiothta na apagoreysei sthn kybernhsh h stoys Ypoyrgoys h stoys boyleytes na dwsoyn sth dhmosiothta onomata anqrwpwn poy apodedeigmena exoyn paranomhsei kai den exoyn yphrethsei sto strato. Skeptetai h kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos na parei nomoqetikh prwtoboylia gia na breqei mia ryqmish, mia lysh sto qema ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas qymisw, gia na exoyme olh thn eikona oti miloyme gia efarmogh eyrwpaikhs odhgias sthn eswterikh nomoqesia. H enswmatwsh ayths ths odhgias egine sth dekaetia toy 1990. An qymamai kala, einai odhgia toy 1995 kai enswmatwqhke sto ellhniko nomiko systhma to 1997. Opws gnwrizete, stis odhgies einai dyskolo na yparxoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis apo aytes tis opoies exoyn symfwnhsei ola ta krath  melh. Se kaqe periptwsh, einai ena qema poy exei apasxolhsei polles fores sto parelqon kai me alla zhthmata, oxi mono me ayto. Thn apoch mas thn exw pei apo xqes. Antilambanomai thn anagkh na yparxei dhmosiothta se para polla pragmata. Emeis symfwnoyme politika se ayth th dhmosiothta. To eipa kai xqes jekaqara. Den yparxei kapoios tropos ayth th stigmh -kai an yparxei, mporei na ton ypodeijei kapoios- na diaforopoihqoyme apo nomoys toys opoioys exei chfisei h ellhnikh Boylh poy ws ypertato swma ofeilei na dextei oti oi nomoi poy chfise, qa prepei na throyntai. Kai prwtistws apo thn idia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exei analabei mia prwtoboylia o k. Soyrlas, o Antiproedros ths Boylhs. H kybernhsh qa symfwnhsei mazi toy, qa prowqhsei ayth thn protash toy k. Soyrla;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti prwtoboylia exei analabei...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayta poy sas eipa einai poly sygkekrimena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sth Boylh qa doqoyn; Einai proswpiko dedomeno na doqei sth Boylh ena onoma; Edw dinontai aporrhta eggrafa. Enhmerwnontai se aporrhtes...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies problepontai kai h Boylh einai armodia na apanthsei sto qema, poies einai ekeines oi diadikasies poy problepontai. Gia paradeigma, xwris na exw thn apolyth gnwsh toy antikeimenoy, yparxei h dynatothta se omada boyleytwn na episkefqei thn EYP kai na diabasei mia seira apo aporrhta eggrafa. Exei symbei ayto sto parelqon. Den gnwrizw an mporei na ginei to idio kai gi` ayto to qema, alla ayto einai ena qema ths Boylhs.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes o boyleyths toy kybernwntos kommatos, o k. Simos Kedikogloy paradexqhke sto kentriko deltio eidhsewn toy MEGA oti th stratiwtikh toy qhteia thn yphrethse sto Parisi kai malista ameibontan tote, to 1987, me to poso twn 900 kai pleon dolariwn. Qa hqela na kanete ena sxolio ep` aytoy, dedomenoy oti einai emfanes oti yparxei mia pronomiakh metaxeirish toy sygkekrimenoy proswpoy se ayth thn ypoqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kanena sxolio kai eilikrina entypwsiazomai poy moy ginetai ayth h erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Allo hqela na rwthsw, alla apo periergeia, giati entypwsiazeste;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sxoliasw ti; Poy yphrethse kapoios Ellhnas poliths th qhteia toy;

BLAXOS: Oxi, an einai pronomiakh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw. Exoyme perasei se allo stadio; Dhladh apo ekei poy hmastan sto oti kapoioi ``loyfaran'', thn ``kopanhsan'', kata to koinws legomeno, pame na doyme poios yphrethse poy; Poy qa ftasei ayth h istoria; Gia na katalabw.

BLAXOS: Na rwthsw tote ayto poy hqela. Yparxei to teleytaio 24wro mia kontra toy Yfypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs me toys emporoys. Oi emporoi, exontas problhmata oikonomika, qeloyn kai jekinoyn apo shmera tis prosfores sta katasthmata toys. O k. Papaqanasioy leei oti yparxei nomos, oi polites qeloyn na paroyn fqhnotera proionta. H kybernhsh ti qa kanei telika; Qa allajei... ;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw stis dhlwseis poy exei kanei o k. Papaqanasioy kai tis gnwrizete. Nomizw oti tis teleytaies hmeres exei hdh kanei dyo dhlwseis. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

BLAXOS: Ean apodeixqei oti aytos o nomos einai adikos kai den einai pros to symferon twn politwn, qa prepei na allajei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qymamai poly kala oti o nomos aytos otan egine, egine me polles syzhthseis, eishghseis olwn twn emplekomenwn merwn, dhladh twn emporwn k.o.k. Antilambanetai kapoios oti enas nomos prepei na efarmostei sthn prajh kai na apodeixqei ean telikws orqws problepei oles tis probleceis poy exei h oxi kai tyxon problhmata na diorqwqoyn. Eimai bebaios oti o k. Papaqanasioy, to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, exoyn syzhthsei diejodika me toys armodioys foreis prin nomoqethsoyn. Giati einai nomos poy egine epi Neas Dhmokratias. Eimai bebaios epishs oti oi armodioi foreis qa qelhsoyn ayta poy eishghqhkan hdh kai eginan nomos toy kratoys, na ta thrhsoyn. Se kaqe periptwsh, sthn prajh qa apodeixqei an yparxoyn kena kai xreiazontai symplhrwseis. Den nomizw oti mporw na pw kati perissotero.

MAYRIDHS: Qa epanelqw se ayto poy rwthqhkate sthn arxh. Milhsate gia enswmatwsh eyrwpaikhs odhgias kai oti peran ayths den mporeite na diaforopoihqeite. Apo th stigmh poy isxyei kati tetoio, ti nohma exei na ekfrazete thn politikh boylhsh oti eisaste antiqetoi me ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti yparxei h ypoxrewsh sto eswteriko nomiko systhma mas, thn opoia emeis exoyme analabei ws kratos - melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, na enswmatwnoyme tis odhgies ths. Enswmatwqhke ayth h odhgia me sygkekrimeno nomo. Apo kei kai pera, erwthqhka kai xqes edw -den hsastan, nomizw, xqes- poies einai oi apoceis tis opoies ekfrazei h kybernhsh, proswpika o omilwn k.o.k. Spaniws milw proswpika kai to gnwrizete. Exw ekfrasei, loipon, ayth thn apoch. Qa prepei na diabasete th xqesinh enhmerwsh gia na katanohsete giati doqhke ayth h apanthsh. Dioti yphrje ena erwthma to opoio aiwreitai peri politikwn. Eipa, loipon: Oi politikoi opws kai ola ta proswpa ta opoia ektiqentai sth dhmosia sfaira, ofeiloyn na einai kaqaroi kai na dexontai ton elegxo kai thn kritikh. Aytes einai oi fraseis peripoy poy anefera xqes kai proxqes. Yp` ayth thn ennoia, kanontas dhladh mia mikrh perilhch sta osa eginan tis hmeres poy eseis leipate, nomizw oti katanoeite giati apanthsa prohgoymenws, opws apanthsa.

SIDERHS: H k. Giannakoy eipe oti ``to magazi einai anoixto'', to stoma ths omws einai kleisto kata th shmerinh synedriash ths epitrophs gia to arqro 16. Giati ths epeblhqh siwphthrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati me janarwtate to idio pragma poy me rwthsate th Deytera;

SIDERHS: Giati epibebaiwqhke oti o Prwqypoyrgos ths apagoreyse. Epibebaiwqhke, oso mporoyn na epibebaiwqoyn oi dhmosiografikes plhrofories poy den sthrizontai se anakoinwseis bebaia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na pw oti epibebaiwqhke to akribws antiqeto. Qa epanalabw ayto poy eipa kai th Deytera, giati rwthqhka me aformh kapoio dhmosieyma th Deytera. Eipa oti se kamia periptwsh, se kanena arqro, allos Ypoyrgos plhn toy k. Paylopoyloy, o opoios exei oristei apo thn kybernhsh na einai parwn, den symmeteixe sth syzhthsh sth Boylh. Edwsa ws paradeigma, malista, to arqro 3, to opoio anaferetai sth sxesh Ekklhsias  Kratoys, se zhthmata ths Ekklhsias, gia ta opoia epishs armodia einai h Ypoyrgos Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn k. Giannakoy. Kai den eixe paei oyte ekei. Anefera ws deytero paradeigma, to 14. 9, gia ta opoia yparxoyn synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi, metajy twn opoiwn kai o exwn thn timh na sas omilei ayth thn wra. Kai epishs den phgan oi synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi. Phge o k. Paylopoylos. Kata synepeia, den blepw giati ekei poy den yparxei qema, kapoioi texnhentws prospaqoyn na to dhmioyrghsoyn. Kapoia skopimothta ejyphretoyn. Einai pleon bebaio. Giati proxqes afhsa ena erwthma, mia epifylajh. Alla, h epanalhch odhgei sto oti yparxei kapoia skopimothta pisw apo ayto.

SIDERHS: Qa mas kanete kai mia dhlwsh gia tis dhlwseis Gkioyl;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei dhlwsh o ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsakos kai qa meinw se ayth. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

SPYRAKH: Se sxesh me th diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai me ta onomata, qelw na sas rwthsw. Peran toy oti den dhmosieyontai, einai se gnwsh ths politikhs hgesias ths xwras, en prokeimenw toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy h toy Prwqypoyrgoy eidika, o katalogos twn proswpwn poy exoyn apodeixqei oti eprajan paranomia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den einai. Den einai, dhladh sthn armodiothta kanenos ek twn proswpwn poy anaferate, na exoyn tetoioy eidoys stoixeia sta xeria toys. Kai qewrw oti einai poly shmantiko na dieykrinisoyme -giati kamia fora dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis- oti einai h kybernhsh ayth -epanalambanw opws to eipa kai th Deytera kai lypamai an sas koyrazw- poy zhthse kai apo thn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn kai apo to Nomiko Symboylio toy kratoys gnwmateyseis gia th dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn. Epanalambanw kai ypenqymizw oti einai h kybernhsh ayth kai o armodios Yfypoyrgos, o opoios eixe anakoinwsei ta prwta onomata, otan jekinhse h ereyna to 2004. Kai ayta ta lew, dioti kapoioi texnhentws  den anaferomai se dhmosiografoys, pros Qeoy!- prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn thn entypwsh oti h kybernhsh paei kati na sygkalycei. H kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh apokalyce to qema. H kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh arxise na dinei onomata. Mphke sthn poreia h Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, to Nomiko Symboylio toy kratoys, to Symboylio ths Epikrateias, me tis apofaseis poy sas diabasa proxqes kai edwsan tis dikes toys ermhneies poy ofeiloyme na sebastoyme.

BLAXOS: Pantws me thn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn xqes o k. Eyqymioy apokalyce oti otan htan ypoyrgos oysiastika h Arxh Prostasias eipe na mhn dhmosiopoihsei epishmws ta onomata oswn petyxan sta AEI, dioti di` aytoy toy tropoy dhmioyrgoyntai cyxologika problhmata se aytoys poy den petyxan. Dhladh, exoyme ftasei se mia yperbolh h opoia den ikanopoiei to koino aisqhma gia Dikaiosynh kai nomizw oti mia Politeia prepei na exei diaxyto sthn koinh gnwmh to aisqhma ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai ayth th stigmh den to exei o Ellhnas poliths. Dhladh, stelnei to paidi toy sto strato kai den gnwrizei poioi einai aytoi poy loyfaroyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oso kai ean sas entypwsiazei qa symfwnhsw mazi sas, alla yparxoyn nomoi toys opoioys prepei na thrhsoyme.

MAYRIDHS: Akribws panw se ayto poy eipe o k. Blaxos prohgoymenws kai o k. Eyqymioy xqes eipe oti den mporei se plastografoys k.t.l. -den qymamai akribws pws to diatypwse- alla to nohma htan peripoy politika, opws ayto...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakalesw thn epomenh fora poy qa anaferqeite kapoy, ean prokeitai na anaferqeite sygkekrimena, na exete akribws th dhlwsh, giati fernete kai emena se dyskolh qesh. Se kamia periptwsh, den mporw na sxoliasw kati to opoio den qymaste kala. Den qa htan dokimo apo thn pleyra moy. Den nomizw oti mporeite na diatypwsete kai eseis swsta thn erwthsh sas.

MAYRIDHS: Entajei. To qema einai oti sto sygkekrimeno qema politika kai oi dyo pleyres kai eseis kai to PASOK symfwneite sth dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn. Ayto einai dedomeno. Twra, yparxei to allo. Yparxei h leitoyrgia twn anejarthtwn Arxwn. Erxeste eseis, loipon, politika ta dyo kommata kai diatypwnete mia diafwnia ws pros ayto. Telika ti isxyei; Qetete zhthma leitoyrgias twn anejarthtwn Arxwn; Qetete zhthma oriwn parembashs twn anejarthtwn Arxwn; Anoigete mia kainoyrgia syzhthsh; Ti qa ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilhfqhka poia einai h diaforetikh proseggish poy eipate se sxesh me thn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Exw milhsei gi` ayta, na mhn ta epanalambanw: Se kaqe Anejarthth Arxh isxyoyn oi kanones toy kratoys. Den exw akoysei kapoion poy na leei na parabiasoyme aytoys toys kanones. Den akoysa apo kanena koinoboyleytiko komma na leei oti prepei na parabiastoyn oi nomoi.

BLAXOS: To leei o k. Soyrlas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti den akoysa apo kanena koinoboyleytiko komma na leei oti prepei na parabiastoyn oi nomoi.

BLAXOS: To leei, omws, enas boyleyths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Soyrlas den leei na parabiastoyn oi nomoi.

BLAXOS: Na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta ta onomata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora thn prwth parathrhsh sas, qa sas pw oti yparxei mia lepth diafora se ola osa syzhtame. Den einai ean symfwnoyme h diafwnoyme sth dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn. Ayto to exoyme pei oloi mas. Einai mia qesh gia thn opoia den nomizw oti qa mporoyse na exei kapoios diaforetikh proseggish. En pash periptwsei, yparxoyn sigoyra proseggiseis, toylaxiston dyo basikes: Einai oti emeis ereynhsame kai apokalycame mia ypoqesh, enw den eidame na symbainei to idio sto parelqon. Den to eidame ayto. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti ayto deixnei pollh megalh diafora sthn proseggish enos qematos kai deixnei poios pragmatika exei eyaisqhsia se ena zhthma opws ayto.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh xqes anaferqhkate proswpika se dyo atoma prwhn ypoyrgoys, ston k. Papantwnioy kai ston k. Tsoxatzopoylo, kai apo oso mporesa na antilhfqw oti sth frash ``as rwthsoyn toys kyrioys Tsoxatzopoylo kai Papantwnioy gia to ti synebaine tote'' shmainei oti oi dyo sygkekrimenoi prwhn ypoyrgoi htan toylaxiston gnwstes ths drasthriothtas toy kyklwmatos apallagwn h den einai etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Papantwnioy poly grhgora espeyse na me epibebaiwsei, opws eidate. Eipe, dhladh, oti to 2002 aytos apokalyce ena antistoixo kyklwma. Mas kybernoyse h Nea Dhmokratia to 2002, to 2001, to 2000, to 1999, to 1998; Dhladh, ta kyklwmata ayta poy mas eipe oti apokalyce o k. Papantwnioy den ta qymamai. Den exw logo na amfisbhthsw ayto poy eipe. Pote gennhqhkan; Mhpws, dhladh, leme to idio pragma; Kai anaferqhka sta dyo onomata, giati htan oi dyo prwhn ypoyrgoi Eqnikhs Amynas epi kybernhsewn PASOK. Gi` ayto to logo.

SIDERHS: Xqes, o k. Papandreoy eipe ``makari na pame se ekloges me aformh to arqro 16 kai to ekpaideytiko''. Giati den antapokrineste;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei prosfata apanthsei sth Boylh kai nomizw lian parastatikws.

KALARITHS: Anaferqhkate sto qema, alla epeidh xqes o k. Meimarakhs meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, eipe oti isws qa prepei na epanejetastoyn ta oria parembashs twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn. Sto plaisio ths enswmatwshs twn eyrwpaikwn odhgiwn sthn ellhnikh nomoqesia, h kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno na yparjoyn periqwria mias diaforetikhs efarmoghs h ermhneias oytws wste na epanejetastoyn ayta ta oria parembashs poy anefere o k. Meimarakhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti den me parakoloyqeite otan milaw kai to exw parapono. Otan h kybernhsh exei ypobalei erwthmata sto Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys, sthn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn kai exei fqasei h ypoqesh sto Symboylio Epikrateias, h kybernhsh exei kanei ayta ta opoia eprepe na kanei. Ara, loipon, ti allo na kanei h kybernhsh; An yparxei kapoia prwtoboylia thn opoia akoysa  kati eipe xqes o ekproswpos toy PASOK- an yparxei kapoia protash, as erqei to PASOK na ferei mia protash nomoy diaforetikh apo ayth poy eixe ferei otan chfisthke aytos o nomos. Na syzhthqei, na paei kai sthn KOMISION na doyme kata poso mporei na einai symfwnh me thn eyrwpaikh odhgia. Den exoyme kamia antirrhsh na akoysoyme kapoia protash kai kapoia prwtoboylia.

KALARITHS: Me sygxwreite, anaferqhka se dhlwsh toy k. Meimarakh, oxi se protash toy PASOK. Xqes...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Phra aformh apo ayto poy eipate. Sas apanthsa hdh oti prwton, h kybernhsh exei hdh parei prwtoboylies kai deyteron, proxwrhsa parapera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh o k. Papandreoy epanefere to qema twn eklogwn kai epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti ginontai eniote dektes tetoies protaseis, yparxei periptwsh tetoia twra, epeidh to epanefere;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite an proseggizoyme to ``eniote'';

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xronika; Den nomizw.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Papantwnioy xqes, sth dhlwsh toy, eipe oti to 2002 me dikh toy prwtoboylia ejarqrwqhke kai allo ena tetoio kyklwma. Epomenws milame gia ena neo kyklwma se ayth th sygkyria. To erwthma einai loipon, an ejakoloyqeite na pisteyete oti o k. Papantwnioy sygkalypte h o k. Tsoxatzopoylos tetoia parastrathmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na moy diabasete ti apanthsa xqes akribws, giati bazete sto stoma moy lejeis poy egw den eipa pote.

POYLIDOY: Oxi, h aisqhsh poy apokomisame...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipate, ean ejakoloyqw na pisteyw kati. Kai ayto to kati poy eipate, egw den to ekstomisa pote.

POYLIDOY: Oxi, oxi...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipe o k. Papandreoy kati. Eipa xqes, oti prospaqhse o k. Papandreoy  den qa xarakthrisw, den qa pw epiqeto- na apodwsei sthn kybernhsh ths N.D. ta osa eginan. Toy apanthsa -kai apanthsa me poly sygkekrimena stoixeia- oti edw milame gia mia seira ypoqesewn, h ereyna kai h apokalych twn opoiwn jekinhse apo tote poy giname kybernhsh kai afora periodo poy kybernoyse to PASOK. Epi seira etwn htan kybernhseis toy PASOK, opws jeroyme oloi. Kai eipa, as rwthsei o k. Papandreoy toys ypoyrgoys toy, na dei ti ginotan. Erxetai loipon poly grhgora, enas apo toys prwhn ypoyrgoys toy PASOK, o k. Papantwnioy kai epibebaiwnei ayto poy eipa. Kyklwmata poy ekanan ayta ta pragmata. Pote ta ekanan ayta, epanalambanw; To 2001 poy anelabe o k. Papantwnioy; Gia poia ypoqesh milaei o k. Papantwnioy; Milaei gia kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias; To PASOK htan kybernhsh kai prin. Milaei, dhladh, gia ton prohgoymeno ypoyrgo toy PASOK profanws o k. Papantwnioy h gia tis prohgoymenes periodoys toy PASOK, oxi ths Neas Dhmokratias. Exei dwsei loipon, apanthsh o k. Papantwnioy hdh, epibebaiwnontas ayta poy eipa.

POYLIDOY: Sygnwmh, na dieykrinisw. Ekeino poy katalaba egw einai oti xqes eipate oti prokeitai gia mia alysida. Kai o k. Papantwnioy, sas apantaei oti o krikos poy mas analogoyse ekoph. Apo kei kai ystera einai diko sas qema. Ayto sas rwtw loipon. Symmerizeste thn apoch oti yphrxan krikoi oi opoioi kobontoysan kata diasthmata h htan mia synexhs diadikasia poy efqase se sas kai eskase sta xeria sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton: H kybernhsh toy PASOK den teleiwse to zhn ths to 2002, alla to 2004. Tote eginan ekloges. Ara, loipon, ean to 2002 ekane kati o k. Papantwnioy htan sta misa ths qhteias ths kybernhshs toy PASOK. Deyteron: Anaferqhka se mia seira gegonotwn ta opoia pane se baqos xronoy. Se kaqe periptwsh, h stratiwtikh dikaiosynh h opoia asxoleitai, eimai bebaios, otan oloklhrwsei thn ereyna ths, qa dwsei sth dhmosiothta ta stoixeia ekeina ta opoia qa apodeiknyoyn, toylaxiston xronika oti oles aytes oi ypoqeseis aforoysan periodo prin toy 2004. An htan metajy toy 2002 kai toy 2004, tote ypoyrgos htan o k. Papantwnioy. Den nomizw na eipe kati enantion toy eaytoy toy.

MELIGKWNHS: Symfwna me th xqesinh toy anakoinwsh o k. Papantwnioy eipe oti breqhke ena tetoio kyklwma epi ypoyrgias toy kai to apokalyce kai twra breqhke ena allo kyklwma kai to apokalycate eseis. Poia einai h diafora stis proseggiseis sas; Dioti eipate xqes...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti apantaw ta teleytaia trianta deyterolepta. To idio me rwthse h k. Poylidoy.

MELIGKWNHS: Giati eipate xqes, oti den eimaste oloi idioi. Oti thn alysida aytwn twn fainomenwn to PASOK thn afhse na dhmioyrgei an den thn ypeqalce. H diafora poia einai stis proseggiseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den allazei tipote, apo ayta poy eipa xqes. H alysida aytwn twn fainomenwn einai palaia. Jekinhse poly palia. Kai erxetai kai enas ypoyrgos toy PASOK kai epibebaiwnei ayto poy sas eipa xqes.

MAYRIDHS: Pisteyete sth leitoyrgia twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sta aytonohta den apantw synhqws. Alla qa kanw mia ejairesh eidika gia esas. Nai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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