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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 22 Noembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 42107456

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 22 Noembrioy 2006

Xairete.

" Ayrio, stis 10.30, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, stis 12.30, qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias ths Tsexias k. Batslab Klaoys.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na jerw, stis synomilies toy Londinoy, yphrje telika diastash apocewn metajy toy k. Karamanlh kai toy k. Mpler oson afora ta eyrwtoyrkika; Kai bebaia, o k. Karamanlhs eqese epi taphtos gia mia akomh fora, tis ypoxrewseis ths Toyrkias. Den jerw poia htan h qesh toy k. Mpler panw sto zhthma ayto kai an yphrje diastash apocewn. Poy odhgoymeqa telika; Kai eimai ypoxrewmenos na sas pw oti xqes eginan sklhres dhlwseis pali apo thn toyrkikh pleyra. O k. Gkioyl anefere oti den prokeitai na symmorfwqei h Toyrkia, oson afora tis ypoxrewseis ths apenanti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei topoqethqei polles fores epi toy qematos. Topoqethqhke kai xqes, gia mia akomh fora, dia stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton Bretano omologo toy. H bretanikh kybernhsh, epishs, exei topoqethqei. Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies akoloyqoyntai. Kaneis den amfisbhtei oti h Toyrkia exei analabei mia seira apo ypoxrewseis tis opoies kai prepei na ekplhrwsei, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei h eyrwpaikh ths prooptikh. Qa meinw se ayto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Aytes tis arnhqhke o k. Mpler;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw s` ayta.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O k. Papandreoy xqes sth Boylh, milhse gia ``parakratos'', gia ``gkrizoys lykoys''  paromoiase mallon thn astynomia me ``gkrizoys lykoys''- kai zhthse emmesa thn paraithsh toy k. Polydwra. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy, gia mia akomh fora, probainei se akraies dhlwseis. Moy dinete thn eykairia, omws, na milhsw gia to qema. Exei hdh milhsei o k. Antwnaros, exei hdh milhsei o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs. Qa hqela na epanalabw, gia mia akomh fora, tis qeseis ths kybernhshs sto peristatiko ths perasmenhs Paraskeyhs: Toso h katadikh toy sygkekrimenoy, alla kai paremferwn peristatikwn, apo ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs kai apo thn kybernhsh, oso kai h entolh gia dienergeia Enorkhs Dioikhtikhs Ejetashs, einai h emprakth sygnwmh ths Politeias. Gnwrizete oti o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs apaitei apo tis yphresies toy poy einai ypeyqynes gia tis peiqarxikes diadikasies, amesa kai grhgora apotelesmata. Qa hqela na symplhrwsw, epishs, oti h kybernhsh apodokimazei energeies memonwmenwn proswpwn poy amayrwnoyn to ergo twn xiliadwn astynomikwn, oi opoioi qetontas polles fores se kindyno thn idia toys th zwh, prostateyoyn nyxqhmeron th zwh kai thn perioysia twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Wstoso, milate gia emprakth sygnwmh ths Politeias, prin oloklhrwqei h ereyna. Ara, ap` oti antilambanomai, eseis exete apokomisei thn entypwsh, en pash periptwsei, exete bgalei to symperasma oti eginan laqh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa, oti toso h katadikh toy peristatikoy, oso kai h entolh gia th dienergeia EDE, apotelei emprakth sygnwmh ths Politeias. Ayth einai h frash thn opoia xrhsimopoihsa.

POYLIDOY: Den eixe yparjei katadikh mexri th stigmh poy milate eseis. Xqes, milhsame epi genikwn arxwn. Shmera poy milate...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei yparjei katadikh kai apo ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs kai apo ton Anaplhrwth Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo.

POYLIDOY: Gia sygkekrimeno peristatiko, oxi. Milhsame gia opoiadhpote prajh ekfeygei toy nomimoy plaisioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth loipon h prajh ejefeyge. Ara exei yparjei katadikh.

KYRITSHS: Eipate gia memonwmena peristatika kai memonwmena atoma. An den kanw laqos, htan parwn  otan leme oti htan parwn sto ena metro- o anwtatos epixeirhsiakos ajiwmatikos ths Kratikhs Asfaleias Qessalonikhs. Den einai memonwmenos. Einai epikefalhs ths Kratikhs Asfaleias sth Qessalonikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo arxaiotatwn xronwn, h ennoia ``memonwmeno'', exei na kanei me thn ariqmhtikh apariqmhsh, proswpwn, se o,ti afora ton ariqmo. Den milame gia thn pleiochfia. Eixa thn eykairia, sth synexeia ths dhlwshs moy, na milhsw gia tis xiliades ekeinwn twn astynomikwn oi opoioi me aytoqysia prostateyoyn th zwh kai thn perioysia twn Ellhnwn politwn. Kati to opoio, epibebaiwnei oti einai memonwmeno.

KYRITSHS: Eseis qewreite, oti htan ena memonwmeno peristatiko kai ayto etyxe na to piasoyn oi kameres; Dhladh, sta stenakia, apo edw, apo ekei den ginontai alla tetoia peristatika; Giati exei kataggelqei oti aytos einai o kanonas ths metaxeirishs ths astynomias stoys syllhfqentes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den symfwnw mazi sas. Se kaqe periptwsh, h dhlwsh einai jekaqarh.

KAKALHS: Sthn emprakth sygnwmh ths Politeias, perilambanetai kai h askhsh diwjhs kata toy 24xronoy Kyprioy spoydasth, gia antistash kata ths arxhs, me bash thn ekqesh ths Astynomikhs Dieyqynshs Qessalonikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ektimw oti h dhlwsh moy, einai safestath. Ara, mporeite na kanete ta sxolia sas o kaqenas sto Meso poy ergazetai.

KAKALHS: Oxi. Erxetai se kraygalea antiqesh me thn pragmatikothta. Exei askhqei pragmatika diwjh se baros toy 24xronoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn ekneyrizeste.

KAKALHS: Oxi, den ekneyrizomai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas akoyw, parakalw. Oloklhrwste gia na sas apanthsw.

KAKALHS: Lew, pws symbibazetai na zhtate sygnwmh ek meroys ths Politeias kai thn idia stigmh na askeitai diwjh se baros toy 24xronoy spoydasth, gia antistash, malista, kata ths arxhs, me ekqesh ths Astynomikhs Dieyqynshs ths Qessalonikhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei h Dikaiosynh ston topo kai doja tw Qew, egw toylaxiston empisteyomai th Dikaiosynh. Pisteyw oti oloi prepei na thn empisteyomaste.

SIDERHS: To problhma einai ta epixeirhsiaka plana ths astynomias me astynomikoys poy einai se poreies me politika. Qa stamathsei ayto to pragma na yparxei; Giati edw den milame gia thn anti-bia ths astynomias se kapoia bia me opoio proshmo qelete, epanastatikh, ejegersiakh, ergatikh. Edw milame gia anqrwpoys poy leitoyrghsan paraqesmika, sxedon parakratika. Rwtw, an qa stamathsei ayth h meqodologia. Einai sygkekrimenh h erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Omws, qymaste, me rwthsate eseis prin apo liges hmeres se ayth thn aiqoysa kai sas apanthsa. Tote me rwthsate kati diaforetiko, ap ayto poy rwtate shmera. Eixa pei, loipon, oti ean epembainei kapoy h astynomia, thn kathgoroyme. Ean den epembainei, pali thn kathgoroyme. H astynomia exei ena sygkekrimeno rolo, ton opoio ofeilei, me bash toys nomoys toy kratoys, na threi. Ean jefeygei apo toys nomoys toy kratoys, ofeilei h Politeia pleon, na lambanei ta metra ths. Kai ayto ginetai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

SIDERHS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, oti den sas rwthsa kaqoloy diaforetiko ap` oti eixa rwthsei tote. Den anaferqhka sth drash ths astynomias ths enstolhs, ths syntetagmenhs. Anaferqhka se paraqesmikes drasthriothtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti ennoeite me ton oro ``paraqesmikes drasthriothtes''. Ean qelete na maqainete ta epixeirhsiaka sxedia ths astynomias, o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs kai o arxhgos ths astynomias, einai sth diaqesh sas, na sas ejhghsoyn, na sas enhmerwsoyn  sto baqmo poy mporoyn na sas enhmerwsoyn- pws kineitai h astynomia se diafores periptwseis, opws ayth thn opoia perigrafete dhladh se mazikes sygkentrwseis se megales poleis, eite sthn Aqhna, eite sth Qessalonikh, eite alloy, gia na mporesei na antimetwpisei tyxon problhmata.

SIDERHS: Jerete, h erwthsh moy, den htan texnikhs fysews. Ayto to pragma mas talanizei apo to  74. Poioi einai oi ``gnwstoi  agnwstoi'' kai poioi einai oi astynomikoi poy paristanoyn toys ``gnwstoys  agnwstoys''. Htan mia politikh erwthsh. Den htan epixeirhsiakh, texnikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn politikh erwthsh, exw apanthsei hdh se dyo synadelfoys sas nwritera, legontas oti ofeiloyn oloi na throyn toys nomoys. Kai apo to ``oloi'' den ejairoyntai oyte oi diadhlwtes, oyte oi astynomikoi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ektos apo ton k. Papandreoy, o opoios milhse opws milhse gia to peristatiko kai katalogise eyqynes sthn kybernhsh kai kapoios ajiwmatikos ths astynomias, o k. Katerinopoylos kai syndikalisths, ean den kanw laqos, apedwse politikes eyqynes kai tis proswpopoihse sto proswpo toy k. Polydwra. Ws pros ayto, h kybernhsh ti leei; Giati blepw...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokeitai na to sxoliasw, mhn koyrazeste.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, egw hqela na epishmanw kati allo: Oti enw h dikh sas h katadikh einai aperifrasth kai safhs, exw thn ypocia oti einai ena mhnyma pros ton k. Polydwra. Giati xqes, proxqes, den eida na htan safhs, giati eipe oti einai ereynhteo ean exei diapraxqei o jylodarmos apo astynomikoys h apo andres ths astynomias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai entelws laqos h ektimhsh sas h h ypocia sas, gia na xrhsimopoihsw kai egw th frash poy xrhsimopoihsate.

POYLIDOY: Gia kakopoihsh ths zarntinieras diwketai o 24xronos foithths kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den moy leipei to xioymor, alla qa sas parakalesw...

POYLIDOY: To fantazomai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei sto erwthma. Den prokeitai na pw tipote perissotero.

POYLIDOY: Oxi, den exete apanthsei, gi` ayto to epanaferw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokeitai na pw tipote perissotero. Den hmoyn ekei, gia na gnwrizw ta pragmatika peristatika. Gnwrizw ayto to opoio gnwrizete kai eseis, tipote perissotero, tipote ligotero. Se kaqe periptwsh...

POYLIDOY: To filmaki to eidate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... ayto to opoio exei na dhlwsei h kybernhsh, dhlwqhke sthn arxh ayths ths syzhthshs.

KAKALHS: Hqela na dieykrinisete, ean jefeygei apo toys nomoys toy kratoys, opws eipate prohgoymenws, h drash twn astynomikwn koykoyloforwn. Qelw na jerw, dhladh, ean h kybernhsh sygkalyptei kai nomimopoiei th drash toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean jefeygei, na eiste bebaios oti qa epiblhqoyn oi timwries poy prepei. Gnwrizete oti apo th qesh ayth exw epanalabei, polles fores, oti den prokeitai h kybernhsh na ypokatasthsei th Dikaiosynh.

SIDERHS: Yparxei proqesh apo rwsikhs pleyras na meiwqei h symmetoxh Elladas kai Boylgarias ston agwgo Mpoyrgkas-Alejandroypolh. Exete kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw gia thn proqesh poy anaferate. Ekeino poy gnwrizw kai to gnwrizete kai eseis allwste  to exoyme pei me thn eykairia ths episkechs kai ths syzhthshs twn dyo Proedrwn toy k. Poytin kai toy k. Parbanof, sth synanthsh poy eixan sthn Aqhna me ton Prwqypoyrgo- einai oti h syzhthsh epektaqhke se para polla qemata. Oi leptomereies ths syzhthshs  legontas ``leptomereies'' den shmainei oti einai mikra ta qemata sta opoia anafereste, alla oles ekeines oi dieyqethseis poy prepei na ginoyn- ginontai se epipedo twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn. Den exei katalhjei akoma. Elpida, eyxh, prospaqeia, epidiwjh ths kybernhshs einai na teleiwsei sto xronodiagramma poy exoyme qesei, dhladh ews to telos toy xronoy.

POYLIDOY: Xqes, o k. Ren, milwntas sthn Eyrwboylh, eipe oti qa hqele sta Symperasmata ths Synodoy Koryfhs toy Dekembrioy na yparxei ekklhsh twn 25 hgetwn gia epilysh toy Kypriakoy ypo thn aigida toy OHE. Eiste symfwnoi me ayth thn anafora toy k. Ren;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti oles oi kybernhseis apo to '74 kai enteyqen exoyn dhlwsei thn proshlwsh toys stis arxes kai ajies poy yphretei o OHE kai exoyn symmetasxei energa sthn prospaqeia toy OHE, sthn prospaqeia pollwn apo toys genikoys grammateis, gia thn ejeyresh lyshs.

POYLIDOY: Kai ara, symfwneite na yparxei sta Symperasmata ayth h diatypwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai ths shmerinhs kai twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn se sxesh me thn epilysh toy zhthmatos.

POYLIDOY: Th genikh thn jerw, th sygkekrimenh rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw sth genikh. Pantws, kaqe anafora se opoiodhpote dieqnes forum, synanthsh, antilambanomaste oloi oti einai yper ths epilyshs toy Kypriakoy.

KYRITSHS: Tis hmeres poy leipate, o anaplhrwths sas rwthqhke gia to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy kai parepemce se mia apanthsh poy eixate dwsei stis 7 toy mhna, sthn opoia eipate oti den yparxei kati. Epeidh ayto to ``den yparxei kati'' einai amfishmo, qelw na rwthsw pws topoqeteitai h kybernhsh stis protaseis melwn ths gia allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H parapomph poy ekane o k. Antwnaros den htan gia na apofygei na apanthsei. Qa prepei, omws, na mpeite kai ligo sth qesh toy erwtwmenoy. Einai polles oi fores poy exei ginei ayth h erwthsh. Antilambanomai thn ajia ths, den thn ypotimw kaqoloy. Polles fores exei doqei apanthsh, idia pantote. Oi protaseis poy akoygontai, oi skeceis stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, einai skeceis poy exoyn akoystei edw kai para polla xronia. Exw erwthqei se ayth thn aiqoysa gi` aytes tis protaseis kai exw dwsei apanthsh. Den exei allajei tipota apo ekeinh thn apanthsh.

KYRITSHS: Nai, alla peftoyn kataigistika twra. Pisteyete oti einai tyxaio, dhladh, to oti sxedon 10 koryfaia stelexh asxoloyntai me ayto to qema thn teleytaia ebdomada; Den exoyn akoysei tis apanthseis sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To oti apantw ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, den shmainei oti ena qema den exei endiaferon na syzhthqei. Oloi antilambanomaste oti einai ena apo ta megala qemata. Kaqenas mporei na kataqesei tis apoceis toy eleyqera. H qesh ths kybernhshs exei eipwqei apo emena dhmosia.

KYRITSHS: Prokeitai na parete kapoia prwtoboylia sto na anoijei enas tetoios dialogos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na kanw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora sthn apofash toy StE gia tis proagwges twn dieyqyntwn. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs, dedomenoy oti sto skeptiko yparxei zhthma gia ton tropo diejagwghs twn proforikwn synenteyjewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xrhsimopoihsate th lejh ``apofash'', h opoia, gnwrizete poly kala, oti den isxyei. Milame gia mia eishghsh eishghth. Den yparxei kamia apofash. To qema exei parapemfqei sthn Olomeleia kai ekei qa yparjei apofash.

SPYRAKH: Ews tote, gia thn oysia toy qematos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai h kybernhsh exei topoqethqei. Den exw na pw tipote allo.

SPYRAKH: To deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai, ean o k. Polydwras ejakoloyqei na xairei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apolytws.

SIDERHS: Ejakoloyqeite na bebaiwnete oti o nomos gia ta panepisthmia qa perasei to prwto ejamhno toy 2007;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino poy exw pei, prin apo peripoy ena mhna se ayth thn aiqoysa, den exei allajei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy, giati xqes diabasame stis efhmerides oti o Prwqypoyrgos afhse na ennohqei oti to qema ths metarryqmishs sthn Paideia paei pisw, prokeimenoy na epiteyxqei h megisth dynath synainesh. Ayto shmainei oti parapempetai stis ellhnikes kalendes to systhma ths metarryqmishs sthn Paideia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasate stis efhmerides, swsta to lete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, stis efhmerides.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwtate emena kai apantw. Exw apanthsei hdh. Den exei allajei apolytws tipota, sas diabebaiwnw, se ayto poy eipa prin apo ena mhna.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa perasei se ayth th Boylh, dhladh, to qema ths metarryqmishs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei kai se ayto to erwthma. Den exei allajei apolytws tipota.

PALAIOLOGOS: Prin apo hmeres mas apanthsate, alla (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me th xqesinh synanthsh Mpler-Karamanlh. Epeidh, apo o,ti diabasame, shmeiwqhke taytish apocewn ws pros to qema ths eyrwpaikhs prooptikhs ths Toyrkias, h taytish apocewn afora kai to desmeytiko xronodiagramma gia to mexri pote qa prepei na symmorfwqei h Toyrkia stis ypoxrewseis ths enanti twn 25 kai apenanti sthn Kypro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa, hdh, se erwthma gia to qema poy egine sthn arxh toy briefing. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eipate oti den qa peite kati perissotero. Egw sas rwtw kati sygkekrimeno.

MAYRIDHS: Exei dhmioyrghqei ena qema me to biologiko kaqarismo sth Qessalonikh opoy den leitoyrgei swsta, opws legetai, me apotelesma na rypainetai o Qermaikos. O k. Soyflias anebainei sth Qessalonikh, ayrio, an den kanw laqos, kai shmera synanthqhke me ton k. Cwmiadh, o opoios erwthqhke gia to qema kai anazhteitai kapoios poy na exei thn eyqynh gi` ayto, dedomenoy oti h katastash synexizei na einai arnhtikh kai den yparxei kapoios apo thn Politeia poy na analabei mia prwtoboylia, mia eyqynh gia na dieyqethqei ayto to zhthma poy afora toys Qessalonikeis edw kai para polla xronia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lypamai poy den mporw na sas apanthsw twra. Qa enhmerwqw gia to qema kai qa eimai se qesh, elpizw ayrio, na sas dwsw apanthsh.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na dieykrinisete, ean einai eykolo, tis qeseis ths kybernhshs apenanti sto ghpedo toy Panaqhnaikoy. H kybernhsh einai yper toy na ginei ayto to ghpedo sto Botaniko h sto Ellhniko, opws eipe xqes o k. Soyflias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati perissotero. Gnwrizete oti o k. Soyflias exei kanei polles syzhthseis gia to qema. Qa meinw stis dhlwseis poy exei kanei sto parelqon o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE.

Sas eyxaristw.

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