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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 21 Noembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 42158801

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 21 Noembrioy 2006

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa pragmatopoihsei, ayrio Tetarth 22 Noembrioy kai wra 10:30, episkech ergasias sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, sto plaisio toy kykloy twn episkecewn poy pragmatopoiei o Prwqypoyrgos sta Ypoyrgeia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo o k. Soyflias ekane kai pali mia dhlwsh oti prepei na allajei o eklogikos nomos, symfwna me to germaniko montelo. Den qa sas rwthsw ean qa allajei o eklogikos nomos, giati emas mas exete peisei. Qa sas rwthsw, giati yparxei ayth h sygxysh sthn kybernhsh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den blepw kamia sygxysh. Den exei allajei tipota ap` osa exei pei o k. Roysopoylos kai ap` osa exw pei egw. Isxyei o,ti exoyme pei.

IWANNOY: Sto idio qema, na epimeinw sthn erwthsh ths k. Kalogeropoyloy. Den blepete sygxysh, alla otan koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi diatypwnoyn sygkekrimenh apoch kai malista dhmosia, se antiqesh me ayto poy h epishmh kybernhsh yposthrizei, den blepete na yparxei toylaxiston kapoio elleimma synennohshs h kapoio problhma;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati perissotero sto sygkekrimeno qema.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh symmerizetai tis apoceis toy k. Boyrloymh oti oi DEKO moiazoyn me kroyazieroploio sto opoio thn prwth qesh kai malista LUX, thn exoyn katalabei oi syndikalistikes hgesies;

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh exei kanei shmantikes, opws gnwrizete, qesmikes parembaseis sto qema ths leitoyrgias twn DEKO, twn etaireiwn toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea, me stoxo na ejygianqei aytos o tomeas, na ejygianqoyn aytes oi etaireies kai na leitoyrgoyn apo dw kai pera apotelesmatika. Etsi, kai qeseis ergasias se baqos xronoy ejasfalizontai kai h poiothta twn yphresiwn pros toys Ellhnes katanalwtes beltiwnetai. Ayto einai to shmantiko kai ayto einai poy qa hqela na krathsete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Syggnwmh, alla o k. Boyrloymhs den milaei mono gi` aytoys poy kaqontai h tajideyoyn sthn prwth qesh kai einai oi syndikalistes, alla anaferetai kai se kapoion kapetanio poy apo th gefyra atenizei, leei, me ta kialia ton orizonta kai oti h qesh toy makrinoy orizonta ton hremei. Me olo to qarros, exw thn ypocia oti o k. Boyrloymhs anaferetai stis eyqynes ths kybernhshs kai dh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: Oi ryqmiseis gia th leitoyrgia twn DEKO -to exw pei ki alles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa, den sas lew synepws kati kainoyrio- apoteloyn tomh gia ton topo. Ayto to katagrafoyn oi Ellhnes polites, oi Ellhnes katanalwtes oi opoioi erxontai se epafh me tis etaireies aytes kai gnwrizoyn th shmantikh beltiwsh poy exei pragmatopoihqei.

POYLIDOY: Hqela na sas rwthsw gia to epeisodio ths Qessalonikhs. Epanerxomai kai shmera. Xqes, to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs milhse gia akrothtes poy synebhsan sth Qessalonikh sth diarkeia toy jylodarmoy toy Kyprioy foithth. Epeidh, opws swsta epishmane kata th gnwmh moy o k. Pretenterhs xqes, h kybernhsh den exei ekfrasei th syggnwmh ths sthn oikogeneia toy paqontos. Mhpws qelete na thn ekfrasete eseis shmera;

ANTWNAROS: Opoiadhpote biaih symperifora, h opoia strefetai enantion oioydhpote atomoy, einai katadikastea, einai katakritea. Kai eimai bebaios, opws sas eipa kai xqes, oti opoy yparxoyn eyqynes, oi eyqynes aytes qa apodoqoyn.

POYLIDOY: Ep` aytoy. Th dioikhtikh ereyna th dienergei h Astynomia Qessalonikhs, h opoia eixe hdh bgalei diagnwsh oti o paqwn eixe proskroysei se zarntiniera. Me ti ajiopistia qa bgalei...

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na eiste sigoyroi gia thn ajiopistia ths kybernhshs. Egw sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy exei kanei o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Polydwras. Oi dhlwseis aytes, tis opoies asfalws gnwrizete apo xqes, exoyn plhrh isxy.

POYLIDOY: Mia dieykrinish sth dhlwsh sas. Milhsate gia opoiadhpote biaih symperifora. H sygkekrimenh einai biaih symperifora;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den hmoyn bebaiws parwn. Milw genika. Den eimai se qesh na krinw ena peristatiko to opoio gnwrizw, opws kai oloi oi parontes edw se ayth thn aiqoysa, apo eikones sthn thleorash. Lew, wstoso, genika oti opoiadhpote symperifora askhshs bias einai katakritea kai katadikastea.

SIDERHS: Den exei akoma peistei h kybernhsh oti prokeitai gia mia paraqesmikh symperifora organwn ths tajhs; Kai an den exei peistei akomh, pote qa peistei; Apo tis martyries, opws eipe kai h k. Poylidoy, twn astynomikwn ths Qessalonikhs;

ANTWNAROS: Otan oloklhrwqei h ereyna, qa maqete asfalws ta apotelesmata ths. Egw exw empistosynh stis ereynes oi opoies diejagontai apo thn ellhnikh Politeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: An kai h erwthsh moy htan diaforetikh, qa epimeinw se ayto to erwthma. Eipate oti exete empistosynh sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia...

ANTWNAROS: Exw empistosynh stis ereynes, oi opoies diejagontai apo organa ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ki egw na rwthsw: An aytes oi ereynes diarkesoyn 6 mhnes, 8 mhnes, 10 mhnes -me olo to qarros- den qa jexastei ayth h istoria, den qa parapemfqoyn stis ellhnikes kalendes...

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw fysika se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den einai ypoqetiko omws oti qa diarkesoyn 6 mhnes; Symfwna me to reportaz, oi ereynes kaqysteroyn, qa kaqysterhsoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete kai qa deite.

KAKALHS: Mexri twra dekades ereynes exoyn ginei gia paromoia peristatika, alla wstoso den exoyme maqei pote thn alhqeia. Telos pantwn, h erwthsh einai h ejhs: Meta tis sidhrogroqies, th systhmatikh xrhsh xhmikwn se kaqe diadhlwsh sxedon, twra h EL.AS. proxwraei kai se basanisthria; Giati o 24xronos foithths jylokophqhke meta th syllhch toy. Mhpws yparxei kati sapio poy h kybernhsh to kalyptei kai enqarrynei thn epideijh astynomikhs bias;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den kalyptei kai den enqarrynei tipota apo osa eipate h ypainissesqe. H kybernhsh exei apolyth pisth sthn thrhsh toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn toy kratoys.

KAKALHS: Pws h kybernhsh epitrepei stoys astynomikoys na forane koykoyles kata thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toys; Mhpws aytos einai kai o logos poy den exei piasei pote koykoyloforoys h Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti kanete ypainigmoys, stoys opoioys egw den mporw na sas parakoloyqhsw.

KAKALHS: Aytoptes martyres poy eidan toys astynomikoys na forane koykoyles.

ANTWNAROS: Sas diabebaiw oti stis ereynes qa lhfqoyn ypoch oi martyries olwn twn aytoptwn martyrwn.

SIDERHS: Exete empistosynh sta organa ths ellhnikhs Politeias...

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka epi lejei stis ereynes poy diejagoyn ta organa ths ellhnikhs Politeias. Otan yparjoyn ta apotelesmata ths ereynas, qa ta plhroforhqeite. Gia perissoteres leptomereies, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sthn omilia toy k. Boyrloymh kai qa epimeinw se ayto poy afhnei toylaxiston na ennohqei o Proedros toy OTE se sxesh me tis eyqynes ths ploiokthtrias etaireias, opws leei kai toy kapetanioy. Leei xarakthristika: ``H ploiokthtria etaireia den qelei fasaries. Gi` ayto mas ebalan edw kai ta afentika ta chfizei to plhrwma''. Anarwtiemai, loipon, poioys yponoei; Kai an yponoei thn kybernhsh, o k. Boyrloymhs apolambanei akomh thn empistosynh ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei. Ean qelete na maqete poioys yponoei o k. Boyrloymhs, den exete para na apeyqynqeite ston idio ton k. Boyrloymh.

IWANNOY: Na to rwthsoyme ligo diaforetika; Yioqeteite h apodokimazete tis dhlwseis toy k. Boyrloymh; Ayto sas rwtame.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka ek meroys ths kybernhshs gia to megalo ergo kai tis megales qesmikes allages poy briskontai se ejelijh stis DEKO. Kaneis den isxyristhke oti oi etaireies toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea kai den to isxyristhke h shmerinh kybernhsh, oyte otan briskotan sthn antipoliteysh, oyte kai twra- leitoyrgoyn xwris na yparxoyn problhmata. H prospaqeia synexizetai. O nomos kai oi sxetikes ryqmiseis, as mhn to jexname, einai sxetika prosfates. Kaneis, omws, den mporei na aposiwphsei ta qetika apotelesmata poy einai hdh xeiropiasta. O mesos Ellhnas poliths, o mesos Ellhnas katanalwths, ta blepei, ta diapistwnei kai wfeleitai apo ayta.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Hqela na paw sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs toy k. Palaiologoy, ean apolambanei akoma ths empistosynhs ths kybernhshs o k. Boyrloymhs.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote ep` aytoy. Opws gnwrizete, o k. Boyrloymhs einai Proedros kai Dieyqynwn Symboylos toy OTE. Den exw kamia endeijh gia to antiqeto.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O k. Boyrloymhs exei symballei sto megalo ergo twn DEKO, opws eipate prohgoymenws;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na anaferqw se kamia etaireia toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea jexwrista. Ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs apo aythn edw th qesh, ekeino poy qelw na diapistwsw gia mia akomh fora einai oti exei ginei, ginetai kai qa synexisei na ginetai shmantiko ergo se ayto ton tomea. Sas eipa oti h prospaqeia einai synexhs. As mhn jexname poia katastash epikratoyse prin apo poly liga xronia. Den qelw ayth th stigmh na koitajw pisw. H shmerinh kybernhsh koitaei panta mprosta.

SIDERHS: Sto qema ths SIEMENS, eipate oti exei diakladwsh kai sthn Ellada, toylaxiston etsi grafei germaniko periodiko. Exete kati neotero; Exete cajei h qa perimenete tis ereynes ths Dikaiosynhs opote ginoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota se osa eipa xqes. Den exei prokycei kati kainoyrgio.

PASISHS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean exei enhmerwqei o Prwqypoyrgos gia th xqesinh omilia toy k. Boyrloymh; Gnwrizete ean exei enhmerwqei;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den sas enoxlei ws kybernhsh kai ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo to gegonos oti o k. Boyrloymhs anaferetai se aytoys poy einai sthn prwth qesh, se aytoys poy einai toyristes, se aytoys poy einai laqrepibates, sthn ploiokthtria etaireia; Den blepw na fwtografizei h na anaferetai ston eayto toy mesa se ayto to fobero kroyazieroploio.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den kanei kamia aytokritikh... ;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe anqrwpos exei diaforetiko tropo me ton opoio ekfrazetai.

NASOPOYLOS: Qelw na erqw ligo sto qema ths Paideias. Milwntas o Prwqypoyrgos xqes to brady sto London School of Economics, eipe oti prepei na perasoyme pia se apofaseis poy jefeygoyn apo to steno kyklo  ths tetraetias profanws- kai sth syzhthsh poy akoloyqhse me toys foithtes, eipe oti den exei problhma na syzhthqei perissotero to qema ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs, na lhfqoyn argotera oi apofaseis, ean einai na katalhjoyme se ena sxedio poy qa diarkesei 20 xronia. Mporoyme na eklaboyme ayth thn topoqethsh oti parateinetai o dialogos gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish; Oti paei o sxediasmos sto mellon;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exoyme pei. Den exei allajei kati. O Prwqypoyrgos, qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw, miloyse se ena koino to opoio brisketai ektos twn synorwn ths xwras. Sto koino ayto, o Prwqypoyrgos paroysiase tis metarryqmiseis, ton tropo me ton opoio proseggizei h kybernhsh tis metarryqmiseis, ta sxedia ta opoia exei h shmerinh kybernhsh, ti exei kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh mexri shmera, poia apotelesmata blepoyme ayth th stigmh kai eipe oti oi metarryqmiseis qa proxwrhsoyn.

KAKALHS: Meta th dhlwsh poy kanate eseis xqes, oti den tiqetai qema allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy, mia seira kybernhtikoi boyleytes, o Koinoboyleytikos Ekproswpos k. Magginas, o k. Lykoyrentzos, bghkan me dhlwseis toy kai taxqhkan yper ths allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy, wste na dhmioyrghqoyn  opws eipan- isxyres pleiochfies. Shmera synexisthkan oi dhlwseis kai apo ton k. Soyflia kai apo ton k. Zagorith.

ANTWNAROS: Pro oligoy erwthqhka kai apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla lew oti den exete apanthsei sto ejhs: Giati ayth h diglwssia h polyglwssia, ean qelete, apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs sto qema toy eklogikoy nomoy kai den jekaqarizei apaj kai diapantos, na to pw, kai synexizoyn oi kybernhtikoi boyleytes kai ypoyrgoi na (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den exei allajei tipote, oson afora th qesh ths kybernhshs, opws topoqethqhke o k. Roysopoylos kai opws topoqethqhka egw xqes, epanalambanontas osa eixe pei o k. Roysopoylos.

KAKALHS: Kai giati den to katalabainoyn oi ypoyrgoi kai oi boyleytes sas;

PALAIOLOGOS: To gegonos omws oti koryfaia stelexh epanaferoyn to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy, ayto den deixnei oti ek meroys ths kybernhshs yparxei httopaqeia gia to apotelesma twn prosexwn eklogwn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas synistoysa na perimenete to apotelesma twn epomenwn eklogwn. H kybernhsh efarmozei me synepeia to programma ths. Eimai bebaios oti oi Ellhnes polites me thn krish poy diaqetoyn mporoyn na diapistwsoyn me posh apotelesmatikothta, me posh synepeia h shmerinh kybernhsh kanei prajh ta osa eixe anaggeilei.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Eseis kai o k. Roysopoylos, loipon, ekfrazete thn epishmh kybernhtikh grammh se ayto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos topoqethqhke. Kai egw epanelaba osa eixe pei o k. Roysopoylos.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Wraia. Oi alloi ypoyrgoi, ti ekfrazoyn otan bgainoyn kai lene gia allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy; Poion;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na mpw se syzhthsh gia ton eklogiko nomo. Epanalambanw: O,ti eixa na pw gia ton eklogiko nomo to eipa.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Einai melh ths kybernhshs, ekfrazoyn mia apoch.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati sto sygkekrimeno qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos, prepei na erwthqhke -ean den me apata h mnhmh moy- gia to qema ths yparjhs makedonikhs meionothtas sthn Ellada. Exete perissotera na mas peite, ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi gnwrizete me apolyth safhneia: Sthn Ellada yparxei mia meionothta anagnwrismenh kai ayth einai h moysoylmanikh.

MELIGKWNHS: Milhsate gia shmantikes parembaseis stis DEKO. Wstoso, ws twra, exoyme dei afenos na dhmioyrgeitai mia stratia syntajioyxwn hlikias 50-55 etwn me poly ychles syntajeis kai afeteroy exoyme dei na dhmioyrgeitai mia koinoprajia ths DEH, mia kainoyrgia hlikias 2-3 etwn amerikanikh etaireia, gia thn opoia den exoyn akomh dieykrinistei to pws epilexqhke h giati den epilexqhkan alles megalyteres etaireies. Gia poies akribws parembaseis milate;

ANTWNAROS: Ean exete dei mono ayta, tote qa moy epitrecete entos twn epomenwn 48 wrwn, efoson to epiqymeite, na sas dwsw enan fakelo me to ti akribws exei ginei stis DEKO. Qa epairna para pollh wra twn synadelfwn sas, gia na anaferqw edw diejodika se ola ayta ta opoia exoyn ginei stis DEKO. Apomonwsate mono dyo stoixeia gia ta opoia h kybernhsh exei topoqethqei para polles fores.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti eseis kai o k. Roysopoylos, exete desmeytei kai oti den yparxei kati twra gia ton eklogiko nomo. Desmeyeste oti o eklogikos nomos den qa allajei;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn ayta poy exoyme pei o k. Roysopoylos kai o ypofainomenos se ayth thn aiqoysa. Den exw na prosqesw apolytws tipote. Einai safh osa exoyme pei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw eipa, ean desmeyeste oti den qa allajei o eklogikos nomos.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas exoyme pei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayta poy exete pei einai mexri twra, lete. Yparxei periptwsh mexri tis ekloges na mhn allajei o eklogikos nomos;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na anatrejete sto briefing ths 7hs Noembrioy, otan rwthqhke gia prwth fora o k. Roysopoylos kai eixe parei safh kai jekaqarh qesh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean oi ekloges ginoyn to fqinopwro, gia esas qa einai prowres oi kanonikes;

ANTWNAROS: Exw erwthqei jana ep` aytoy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas rwtw, giati to anefere o k. Soyflias.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio. H qhteia ths kybernhshs einai tetraeths.

Sas eyxaristw.

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