Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-11-07

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 7 Noembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 39630039

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 7 Noembrioy 2006

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Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, o opoios eishghqhke protaseis poy elhfqhsan ypoch kai anakoinwqhke ws apofash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs h apodosh iqageneias se Boreiopeirwtes. O k. Paylopoylos hdh exei probei se dhlwseis.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 09.30 qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Epitimo Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Kwnstantino Mhtsotakh. Stis 10.30 qa synanthqei me ton Roymano Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Mixai Rasban Oygkoyreanoy. Stis 11.00 qa exei synanthsh me antiproswpeia ths ellhnoamerikanikhs organwshs AXEPA kai to apogeyma qa anaxwrhsei gia thn Mpratislaba, opoy qa parastei kai qa milhsei sto dialogo metajy ths Orqodojhs Ekklhsias kai ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas:

ROYMELIWTHS: O k. Polydwras epimenei oti to epidoma twn astynomikwn poy diekdikei einai peripoy sta 50 ekatommyria eyrw. Exoyn ypologistei perissotera apo to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs h fainetai oti an ypokycoyn...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mh me rwtate adikws. Milhsa gi` ayto to qema xqes. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

SIDERHS: Exete diabasei th metafrash toy Kwdika Mpoysinto poy metefrase o k. Polydwras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ektos apo th dhmosia diamartyria sas kata ths efhmeridas ``TO QEMA'', qa probeite kai se agwgh, mhnysh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw kanei mia dhlwsh xqes. Den qa pw tipote perissotero shmera.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy, giati yphrje kaqysterhmenh antidrash sas se sxesh me ayta poy kataggeilate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai kaqoloy kaqysterhmenh. Ofeila na anamenw thn apostolh  opws hqelan- enos ejwdikoy ths mhteras moy kai toy adelfoy moy, to opoio anaferetai kai sth dhlwsh moy. Opws gnwrizete, Paraskeyh apogeyma, den einai eykolo na apostalei ejwdiko. Amesws molis apestalh to ejwdiko, bghke kai h dhlwsh moy.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera o k. Giannhs Barbitsiwths, milwntas sto radiofwno toy ``ALPHA'', eipe oti oi ekloges to fqinopwro den einai prowres ekloges. Eseis symfwneite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw milhsei gia tis ekloges para polles fores. Xqes, epishs apanthsa se polles erwthseis. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Otan h kybernhsh qriambologei gia thn ejodo apo thn epithrhsh, ti akribws ennoei, oti prokeitai gia diko ths epiteygma epeidh katafere na epiballei 17 disekatommyria epipleon foroys sth dietia 2005-2007, opws kataggelloyn oi eforiakoi; H giati edwse ligotera lefta sthn Paideia, ara periorise tis koinwnikes dapanes kai gia thn koinwnikh asfalish kai pagwse toys misqoys; Ayto einai to diko ths epiteygma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oydeis exei amfisbhthsei kai oydeis dianoeitai na amfisbhthsei oti dystyxws to elleimma ths xwras efqase sto 7%. Ayto to elleimma parelabe h shmerinh kybernhsh kai prospaqhse me poly kopo, kopo twn Ellhnwn politwn, na diorqwsei. Diapistwseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs gia thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, deixnoyn oti briskomaste sthn apolytws orqh kateyqynsh, alla exoyme akomh dromo. Xreiazetai na kanoyme mia akomh prospaqeia, thn krisimh prospaqeia. Qa elega oti eimaste sto telos toy dromoy kai h krisimh prospaqeia qa apodwsei entos toy 2007 kai qa doyme ta apotelesmata ths.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla gia poio telos toy dromoy mas milate, otan o k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe oti qeloyme isoskelismenoys proypologismoys mexri to 2012. Ayto shmainei paratash ths litothtas toylaxiston mexri tote.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa gia thn kata thn gnwmh, gnwsh olwn mas, yperbolika kakh katastash ths oikonomias otan thn paralabame. Sas milhsa gia to elleimma. Sas eipa oti ayth h prospaqeia exei hdh apodwsei karpoys. To anagnwrizei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Kai oloklhrwsa legontas sas oti briskomaste sto krisimo kommati: Ekeino poy mesa sto 2007 qa exei oloklhrwsei akribws ayth thn prospaqeia olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn, etsi wste to elleimma na katebei katw apo to 3%, kati gia to opoio - opws allwste gnwrizete - h xwra mas exei desmeyqei polla xronia prin.

SARANTAKOS: Problhmatizetai h kybernhsh apo tis plhrofories poy feroyn kai alloys ypoyrgoys opws o k. Abramopoylos kai o k. Paylopoylos na akoloyqhsoyn to paradeigma toy k. Polydwra kai na zhthsoyn pio dynamika  qa moy epitrecete na pw- ayjhsh twn kondyliwn gia ta ypoyrgeia toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw tetoies plhrofories.

SARANTAKOS: Yparxoyn hdh kai koinwnikes omades poy xqes sta thleoptika deltia elegan oti qa hqelan enan Polydwra sto ypoyrgeio toys kai na diekdikei pio dynamika aithmata gi` aytoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa topoqethsw, loipon, to qema ws ejhs: Prwton, oloi oi ypoyrgoi me to idio sqenos, ton idio dynamismo kai thn idia eyaisqhsia egkyptoyn panw sta problhmata twn kathgoriwn twn ergazomenwn poy ypagontai sto ypoyrgeio toys, poy ypagontai sth dikh toys politikh. Deyteron, den yparxoyn kaloi kai kakoi ypoyrgoi. Den yparxoyn ypoyrgoi oi opoioi mporoyn na dinoyn kai ypoyrgoi poy den dinoyn. Triton: To Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn antimetwpizei, ws ek ths qesews kai ths fysews toy ola ta sxetizomena me thn oikonomia problhmata, se agasth synergasia me oloys toys alloys ypoyrgoys, me ola ta alla ypoyrgeia. Aytes einai oi treis parathrhseis poy exw na kanw.

SARANTAKOS: Kai omws h agasth ayth synergasia diapistwqhke kata th gnwmh sas metajy toy k. Polydwra kai toy k. Alogoskoyfh; Ap oti grafetai stis shmerines efhmerides, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias ejefrase to parapono giati o k. Polydwras dhmosiopoihse to aithma toy, xwris na milhsei prwta mazi toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, to eipa kai xqes, exoyn synanthsh gia na broyn mia lysh sto zhthma poy exei anakycei.

SARANTAKOS: H opoia egine meta th dhlwsh toy sthn efhmerida ``EQNOS'' to Sabbato.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa amfisbhthsw to xroniko, etsi opws to qetete, alla sas lew oti xqes hrqa enwpion sas kai sas eipa oti oi dyo ypoyrgoi qa synanthqoyn gia na broyn mia lysh sto problhma.

SIDERHS: Jerete giati sas rwthsa an exete diabasei ton kwdika Mpoysinto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi poy na jerw.

SIDERHS: Einai o kwdikas timhs twn Samoyrai - to jerete ayto - kai ton exei metafrasei. Epeidh o k. Polydwras einai o monos poy feretai me kwdika timhs mesa sthn kybernhsh, pws den yparxoyn kaloi kai kakoi ypoyrgoi, otan aytos qelei ta ypesxhmena na ylopoihqoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw - ean ayto poy akoysthke to ennoeite, ean to exete skeftei kai deyterh fora - oti adikeite. Gia na mhn pw oti yperbainei ta oria ths kritikhs kai aggizei ta oria ths ybrews ayto to opoio eipate. Egw qewrw oti oloi oi ypoyrgoi kinoyntai me ton kwdika timhs poy toys armozei, oxi mono sto ajiwma toys, alla sthn idiothta toy kaqenos ws Ellhna polith o opoios einai pistos sto Syntagma.

SIDERHS: Epejhghsh: O kwdikas timhs epimerizetai se prajeis. Anaferomoyn se ayto to qema, se ayth thn prajh, to na yposxomaste kapoia xrhmata kai na ta dwsoyme. Den anaferomoyn sfairika sth symperifora kai sthn proswpikothta twn ypoyrgwn ws ypoyrgwn kai ws atomwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As milhsoyme tote synolika gia enan kwdika timhs ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh - opws jerete - exei desmeyqei gia mia seira pragmatwn ta opoia exoyn grafei sto kybernhtiko ths programma. Yparxoyn katagegrammena kai mporeite na ta exete edw kaqhmerinws kai na me qetete - h ton opoiodhpote allo ypoyrgo - enwpion aytwn. Allwste, polles fores monos moy erxomai kai sas milw gia qemata gia ta opoia eixame desmeyqei oti qa kanoyme prajh, kai proxwroyme me thn a, b h g dyskolia. Den exei kamia ajia na epanalabw twra sygkekrimena epimeroys qemata. O kwdikas, loipon, timhs, leei oti h kybernhsh se o,ti exei desmeyqei, prospaqei na to kanei prajh. Kai ayto to exei apodeijei.

KAKALHS: Qa afhsei h kybernhsh xwris xrhmatodothsh ta Panepisthmia poy den symfwnoyn me tis allages poy prowqei; Giati h k. Giannakoy xqes eipe oti den yparxei periptwsh na yparjei xrhmatodothsh, dixws oroys, dhladh, dixws allages. Ti ekbiasmos einai aytos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei ekbiasmos. Sas parakalw, aytes tis baries ekfraseis, as tis apofeygoyme kalytera. H k. Giannakoy eipe kai kati allo. Isws akoysate mono to miso, ean to eipe etsi opws to diatypwnete eseis. Se kaqe periptwsh h ajiologhsh einai mia diadikasia h opoia ginetai dieqnws, einai mia diadikasia thn opoia apodexontai oloi. To allo to opoio eipe, einai oti yparxoyn Panepisthmia ta opoia exoyn parei xrhmata poy den kataferan na aporrofhsoyn. Loipon, xreiazetai mia diaforetikh leitoyrgia h opoia qa bohqhsei ta Panepisthmia na mporoyn na aporrofhsoyn ta xrhmata. Fantasteite ena kratos - den einai h shmerinh kybernhsh, einai kai h xqesinh kai opoia ayrianh - na dinei xrhmata to kratos, h politeia, sta Panepisthmia kai na mhn mporoyn na ta aporrofhsoyn sthn kalyterh periptwsh h sth xeiroterh na aporrofwntai teleiws lanqasmena.

KAKALHS: Ayto mas lete oti einai to problhma shmera ths Paideias; Ta Panepisthmia den mporoyn na aporrofhsoyn ta xrhmata poy toys didontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai kai ayto, fysika. Giati; To amfisbhteite;

KAKALHS: Peste mas poia einai ayta ta Panepisthmia gia na ta jeroyme; Prepei na ta jerei o ellhnikos laos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta eipe h Ypoyrgos Paideias. Ta edwse hdh xqes.

KAKALHS: Jerw oti zhtane ta Panepisthmia kai den toys dinoyne.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symfwnoyme loipon sto oti eseis jerete to ti zhtoyn. Malista. Kai egw jerw ti zhtoyn ta Panepisthmia. H Ypoyrgos Paideias ekane xqes kapoies sygkekrimenes anakoinwseis.

SPYRAKH: Qa sas rwthsw ean apotelei, kata thn kybernhsh sas, politikh proypoqesh h allagh toy tropoy domhs kai leitoyrgias twn Anwtatwn Ekpaideytikwn Idrymatwn gia thn peraiterw ayjhsh ths xrhmatodothshs, dedomenoy poy opws diapistwsate kai eseis...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den syndyazetai to ena me to allo. Me thn erwthsh poy moy kanate moy dinete thn aformh  giati an dhmioyrgeitai tetoia entypwsh apo thn prohgoymenh apanthsh  na pw oti den einai ayth h orqh entypwsh. Mporei na ftaiw egw sth diatypwsh poy ekana sthn apanthsh moy. Prwton, h kybernhsh pisteyei oti prepei na ayjhqoyn ta xrhmata ta opoia phgainoyn sthn Paideia. Ayto to exoyme pei para polles fores. Ean den to pisteye, den qa ayjane mesa se 2, 2,5 xronia sxedon sto idio poso, oso ayjhse h prohgoymenh kybernhsh se eji xronia. Ara loipon, ayto einai dedomeno. To exoyme dei sthn prajh. Se dyo xronia h kybernhsh edwse peripoy ta xrhmata poy edwse h prohgoymenh kybernhsh - ws ayjhsh milw - se eji xronia. Ena einai ayto kai ena to kratoymeno. Deyteron, den amfisbhtei kanenas oti h ajiologhsh einai ekeinh h opoia qa dhmioyrghsei synqhkes, etsi wste h parexomenh ekpaideysh na ginei akoma kalyterh. Triton, epanelaba ayto poy eipe h Ypoyrgos Paideias xqes se omilia ths, oti yparxoyn Panepisthmia ta opoia den exoyn kataferei na aporrofhsoyn ta xrhmata. Ayto to eipe gia na epibebaiwsei thn apoch oti xreiazetai na mpei enas manatzer, enas dioikhths sto Panepisthmio, etsi wste na mporei na ajiopoihsei perissotero, me kalytero tropo, ayta ta xrhmata poy oi Ellhnes polites apo to ysterhma toys dinoyn wste na leitoyrghsoyn kalytera ta Panepisthmia. Ekei yparxoyn diafores antiparaqeseis, tis gnwrizoyme oloi. Den qa mpoyme se leptomereies twra. Den ginetai edw o dialogos gia thn Paideia. Me poly eyxaristhsh na apanthsw se opoies erwthseis moy qetete, alla einai gnwsta qemata poy exoyn syzhthqei pleistakis ston dhmosio bio, sth dhmosia sfaira, apo armodioteroys emoy.

SPYRAKH: An moy epitrepete na rwthsw kai kati deytero. Dinetai h entypwsh pali, oti mesw kai ths prwtoboylias toy k. Alogoskoyfh na epikoinwnhsei me ton k. Polydwra meta thn antiparaqesh poy dhmioyrghqhke, oti h kybernhsh emfanizetai elastikoterh sta aithmata twn astynomikwn, apo oti sta aithmata twn daskalwn, oi opoioi sas ypenqymizw oti prin ftasoyn sth dieyqethsh toy qematos mesw twn dosewn, eixan mia polyhmerh apergia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kratwntas sto oti dinetai h entypwsh, qa sas pw oti se kamia periptwsh den dinei h kybernhsh ayth thn entypwsh. Antilambanomai oti mporei kapoioi na dinoyn mia tetoia entypwsh. Isxyei ayto poy eipa xqes: H kybernhsh threi tis desmeyseis ths sto plaisio twn oikonomikwn dyskoliwn tis opoies exei brei - kai tis opoies prospaqei na apaleicei - sto dhmosio bio.

MAYRIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera h kybernhtikh epitroph syzhthse gia to qema ths politografhshs pente xiliadwn omogenwn. Qa hqela na moy peite ean ayto einai allo ena stoixeio poy synhgorei kai enisxyei th senariologia peri prowrwn eklogwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena qema me to allo. Rwthqhkan kai oi dyo synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi oi opoioi eishghqhkan shmera, o k. Paylopoylos kai h k. Mpakogiannh kai exoyn apanthsei. Qa apanthsw gia mia akomh fora paroti kai nwritera moy eteqh qema eklogwn. Prwton, den yparxei tetoio qema. Deyteron, ayto einai h ekplhrwsh mias desmeyshs, einai h lysh enos problhmatos to opoio yparxei epi polla xronia. Kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh to eixe antimetwpisei. To oti erxomaste kai lynoyme ena problhma, den shmainei oti prepei na to syndyasoyme me to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn.

MAYRIDHS: Mporei na syndeqei me poia ennoia. Oi eklogikoi katalogoi, opws gnwrizoyme, kleinoyn ton Marth. Exoyme pente mhnes kairo apo shmera gia na dieyqethqei to qema ayto. Qa prolabei o kratikos mhxanismos na diekperaiwsei ayto to zhthma mexri to Marth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to opoio lete mallon erxetai se antikroysh me thn ypoqesh poy kanate sthn arxh.

MAYRIDHS: Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dioti ean den prolabei, tote den isxyei to erwthma sas.

MAYRIDHS: Ma akribws ayto leme. Oti einai sto xeri toy kratikoy mhxanismoy na prolabei, wste na symperilhfqoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh, epanalambanw: Einai ena problhma to opoio gnwrizoyme oti yparxei edw kai polla xronia. Erxetai h kybernhsh na to lysei. Einai enamisi xronos prin apo tis ekloges. Mhn syndyazoyme pragmata ta opoia einai asyndeta metajy toys.

KAKALHS: H Eyrwpaikh Epitroph den prosanatolizetai, mallon den proxwraei sthn epibolh kyrwsewn sthn Toyrkia gia th mh symmorfwsh ths sto Prwtokollo ths Telwneiakhs Enwshs. H stash ths kybernhshs poia einai; H kybernhsh einai yper twn kyrwsewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh, opws jerete, brisketai se ejelijh mia prospaqeia ths Finlandikhs Proedrias. Oi qeseis mas einai gnwstes kai egw den qa hqela na pw tipota perissotero gia ta osa symbainoyn panw se ayto.

SARANTAKOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres yphrjan kai se efhmerides kyriws kai senaria allaghs toy eklogikoy Nomoy. Ejetazontai ayth thn wra apo thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

Kalo meshmeri.

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