Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-11-06

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 6 Noembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 39436849

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 6 Noembrioy 2006

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ti paixnidia einai ayta poy paizoyn oi Amerikanoi sthn Ellada; Qa eidate bebaia th synenteyjh sthn ``Kyriakatikh Eleyqerotypia'' toy Epitetrammenoy ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias, o opoios oyte ligo oyte poly mas milaei gia toyrkikh meionothta sth Qrakh. Kai malista proxwraei para poly, milaei gia synqhkes Lozanhs k.lp. Poy stoxeyoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dhlwseis diplwmatwn kai epitetrammenwn den metabaloyn oyte alloiwnoyn thn pragmatikothta. H pragmatikothta einai oti h Ellada einai mia sygxronh eyrwpaikh Dhmokratia, opoy ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata ginontai sebasta, me isonomia kai isopoliteia pantoy, se ola ta merh ths xwras mas. H Ellada den exei tipota na fobhqei apo thn opoia kritikh. Qelw na qymisw epi th eykairia oti eidika sth Qrakh yparxoyn programmata apo to G'KPS, alla kai apo to D'KPS, ta opoia enisxyoyn akomh perissotero th beltiwsh twn synqhkwn zwhs twn katoikwn ekei.

SIDERHS: Qa klhqei na toy epidoqei diabhma diamartyrias, na paraponeqei h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn gi' ayta poy eipe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: De nomizw oti xreiazetai na ginei tipota perissotero. Arkei h dhlwsh moy.

KAKALHS: Pws ektimaei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti oi HPA sthrizoyn ton Erntogan sto na qesei sthn atzenta to qema ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas sta dimerh qemata, ta ellhnotoyrkika ennow;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei milhsei dhmosiws polles fores - na mhn epanalabw - gia tis qeseis ths, oi opoies einai diaxronika qeseis kai twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn sxetika me ta zhthmata Elladas kai Toyrkias.

BLAXOS: Epikoinwnhse thlefwnika shmera o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Polydwra; O k. Polydwras leei oti ``ean den moy ikanopoihsete to aithma gia 8% epikindynothtas epidoma, qa paraithqw''. Ti gnwmh exei h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos sto qema ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: A) Se o,ti afora tis opoies epikoinwnies h synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me Ypoyrgoys, oydepote anakoinwnontai, opws gnwrizete, ektos kai ean einai synanthsh programmatismenh sto Megaro Majimoy. B) Se o,ti afora thn oysia toy qematos, gnwrizw oti toso o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, oso kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, exoyn synennohqei na synanthqoyn, entos twn prosexwn hmerwn, gia na lysoyn to qema.

BLAXOS: Ennoeite, qa to ikanopoihsei; Yparxei entolh sto oikonomiko epiteleio na ikanopoihsei to aithma toy k. Polydwra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Skelos G, loipon, sthn apanthsh moy: Opws sas exw pei polles fores, h kybernhsh threi tis desmeyseis ths, sto plaisio ths oikonomias thn opoia parelabe kai twn diorqwsewn poy hdh ginontai.

BLAXOS: Blepete anoikto to endexomeno paraithshs toy k. Polydwra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kamia allh apanthsh den qa dwsw se ayto to qema.

XIWTHS: Den einai ligo adokimo, kyrie Ekproswpe, kapoios Ypoyrgos na ekbiazei me paraithsh thn kybernhsh toy, sthn periptwsh poy den ikanopoihqei kapoio apo ta aithmata toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat' arxas, nomizw oti adikeite ton k. Polydwra. Den xrhsimopoihse se kamia periptwsh tetoioy eidoys ekfraseis poy ypainisseste. Kai en pash periptwsei, me ayton ton xarakthrismo, egw diafwnw.

XIWTHS: Den ypainissomai kapoia ekfrash. Diabasa tis dhlwseis toy ston Typo, me tis opoies epimenei oti an den ikanopoihqei to aithma poy egeirei, einai apofasismenos na paraithqei. Ayto emena moy fainetai kapws ekbiastiko, kat' arxhn kai deyteron, qa hqela toylaxiston kai th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, an o k. Polydwras sto aithma poy egeirei exei dikio h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei kai sta dyo qemata.

GKOYTZANHS: Ep' aytoy egw qa hqela na rwthsw, an aqethse pragmati h kybernhsh kapoia yposxesh, opws isxyrizetai o k. Polydwras kai ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa ton dexqei telika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As mhn epanalabw thn idia apanthsh. Mporw na thn epanalabw, alla h apanthsh moy isxyei opws kai prohgoymenws.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia to deytero skelos eipate oti den anakoinwnontai oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Entajei, den anakoinwnontai. Egw rwthsa ean qa ton dexqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan to trito skelos ths erwthshs toy k. Blaxoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai eipate oti den tis anakoinwnete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean yparxei synanthsh thn anakoinwnw, opws gnwrizete, mia hmera nwritera.

GKOYTZANHS: Malista. Ara den qa yparxei.

MANH: Ta nea stoixeia ths organwshs Dieqnoys Diafaneias lene oti h xwra mas einai h deyterh pio diefqarmenh xwra meta thn Polwnia kai malista oti anebhke oktw qeseis sth diafqora apo to 2004 mexri shmera. Thn idia stigmh o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfhs, sthn ``Kyriakatikh Eleyqerotypia'', xqes, milaei gia xalia ths dhmosias dioikhshs. Ayta mazi kai ta dyo problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, exei kanei dhlwsh o k. Alogoskoyfhs xqes to brady. Den xreiazetai na pw tipota perissotero. Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos: Qelw na shmeiwsw oti h Ekqesh ths Dieqnoys Diafaneias deixnei beltiwsh ths baqmologias. Ekeino sto opoio anafereste profanws einai h katatajh ariqmhtika, h opoia exei allajei apo th stigmh poy exoyn eiselqei nees xwres. H Dieqnhs Diafaneia metraei kai alles xwres, epipleon aytwn poy metroyse thn prohgoymenh fora. De mporei na ginei sygkrish, den einai idios o ariqmos twn xwrwn. Se o,ti afora ta apolyta peristatika, ta pragmatika peristatika, yparxei mia mikrh men, alla beltiwsh, sth baqmologia. H xwra mas sthn prohgoymenh Ekqesh eixe 4,3, se ayth thn Ekqesh exei 4,4, me arista to 10. Ypoleipetai polys dromos. Kai ayton ton poly dromo prospaqoyme na ton kalycoyme oso to dynaton me megalytera bhmata.

SIDERHS: Den briskete hqikh th stash toy k. Polydwra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw to erwthma sas. Moy zhtate prwton, na krinw ena synadelfo moy, ton Byrwna Polydwra, ton opoio ektimw - kai egw kai oloi mas pisteyw - opws kai oloys toys synadelfoys sthn kybernhsh, gia to an exoyn hqikh h oxi stash... Fysika.

SIDERHS: An einai hqikh h oxi h stash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai thn erwthsh sas.

SIDERHS: Qewrw oti einai apolyta hqikh. Leei ``to yposxeqhkame kai prepei na to dwsoyme. Kai egw ekteqhka. Toys yposxeqhka giati moy eixe pei o Prwqypoyrgos oti qa ginei''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh sto erwthma sas, milwntas oxi mono shmera, alla kai alles fores gia to kybernhtiko programma ths Neas Dhmokratias. Qelete na epanalabw thn idia apanthsh; Th gnwrizete. Prin apo pente lepta thn eipa.

SIDERHS: Sygnwmh, qelw na pw oti kapoios einai anantistoixos. Eite o k. Polydwras, eite h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na thn janapw loipon: Exoyme analabei sygkekrimenes proeklogikes desmeyseis tis opoies throyme, pantote bebaia sto plaisio twn antoxwn ths oikonomias. Ths oikonomias poy paralabame kai gnwrizete oti eixe para polla problhmata, ths oikonomias poy beltiwnoyme arga kai staqera.

SIDERHS: Otan ta yposxosastan, den ta jerate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Jerate eseis oti exei elleimma h Ellada peripoy 7%, otan oi epishmoi deiktes ths kybernhshs tote edinan 1,2%, koroideyontas toys Ellhnes kai toys Eyrwpaioys oloys; Den nomizw na to jerate.

SIDERHS: Eseis miloysate gia ``oikonomia trabesti''. Kai to elleimma einai syzhthsimo. Telos pantwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Emeis miloysame gia plasta stoixeia. Eyqarsws exei topoqethqei o Prwqypoyrgos kai sth Boylh kai dhmosiws alloy, legontas oti perimename ante na einai diplasio to elleimma. Oxi omws 7%, to opoio anakalycame oxi mono emeis, alla ola ta armodia organa ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

SIDERHS: Sygnwmh, den einai synhqes na epimenw, alla me th logistikh metafora twn logariasmwn Amynas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, sas eixa dwsei sygkekrimenh apanthsh oti akomh kai me ayth th metafora, opws qymaste, yphrxe poly mikrh apoklish apo ta stoixeia ekeina poy pragmatika apotypwqhkan apo thn Eurostat kai apo th doyleia poy egine, etsi wste na doyme poia einai ta pragmatika stoixeia ths oikonomias.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn katagegrammenes sthn kamera kai se thlefwnikes epikoinwnies oi dhlwseis toy k. Polydwra se sxesh me to oti an den ikanopoihqei to aithma toy, qa paraithqei. Kai qelw na rwthsw, kata poso ayto synista mia praktikh melwn toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero gia to qema.

BLAXOS: Opws gnwrizete apo thn epoxh poy hsastan dhmosiografos, h epikairothta kaqorizei kai th shmasia mias epikoinwnias yphresiakhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me enan Ypoyrgo toy. Epeidh, loipon, h epikairothta ayth exei ektinajei pros ta panw to endiaferon ths synomilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Polydwra kai endiaferei h synomilia ayth megalh maza politwn, opws einai oi astynomikoi kai oi oikogeneies toys, qa hqela na moy peite, ean epikoinwnhse o k. Karamanlhs me ton k. Polydwra, dioti an den epikoinwnhse, einai politikh prajh apo thn pleyra toy k. Karamanlh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti ton endiaferei h megalh maza twn politwn stoys opoioys anafereste kai twn ypoloipwn politwn einai h oysia toy qematos. Kai gia thn oysia toy qematos, exw dwsei apanthsh apo thn arxh.

BLAXOS: Einai politikh stash toy Prwqypoyrgoy an parapempei ton k. Polydwra sto oikonomiko epiteleio kai arneitai na toy milhsei o idios. Kai qelw na jerw ean yparxei ayth h stash apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros enan Ypoyrgo toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h apanthsh moy.

POYLIDOY: Den me endiaferei idiaitera h apoch twn astynomikwn. Th logikh qelw na parakoloyqhsw. Afoy ayjhqhke to AEP, ara oi dynatothtes ths oikonomias mas einai kalyteres, pws epikaleiste th stenothta ths oikonomikhs pragmatikothtas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati, opws exoyme pei, xreiazetai akomh dromos, etsi wste na jeperasoyme ta polla problhmata poy paralabame apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Problhmata poy pleon den nomizw oti amfisbhtei kanenas Ellhnas poliths.

GKOYTZANHS: H ekqesh ths Dieqnoys Diafaneias deixnei oti sth dieqnh katatajh eimaste pisw kai apo thn Mpotsoyana. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai, ean h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo ta apotelesmata poy exei ferei mexri twra h epanidrysh toy kratoys kai h antimetwpish ths diafqoras.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa prohgoymenws, xwris na me rwthsete, oti fysika to oti anebhkame kata 0,1 kai beltiwsame th qesh mas, deixnei men mia beltiwsh, alla den mas ikanopoiei. Antiqetws -kai pali eipa prohgoymenws- ayto poy mas kanei, einai na prospaqhsoyme akomh perissotero me megalytera bhmata. Ayth htan xarakthristika h frash moy.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite oti enw h oikonomia anaptyssetai, to AEP ayjanetai k.t.l., den antexei na ikanopoihsei kanena apo ta aithmata, oyte twn ergazomenwn, oyte twn symbasioyxwn. Antiqeta, antexei gia na meiwnontai oi syntelestes twn etairiwn, antexei gia na yparxoyn xaristikes ofeiles se megaloofeiletes toy IKA, ryqmiseis se megaloofeiletes toy IKA k.t.l. Pws to ejhgeite ayto to pragma; Dhladh, kanena aithma apo toys ergazomenoys den exei ikanopoihsei h kybernhsh, parolo poy h oikonomia anaptyssetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis, pws ejhgeite oti jexnate toso eykola kai to LAFKA...

KAKALHS: Gia peste mas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai to LAFKA, to opoio den einai mikro qema, den einai liga ta xrhmata ston proypologismo. Kai to epidoma twn daskalwn gia to opoio exei ginei megalh syzhthsh kai epishs den einai liga ta xrhmata ston proypologismo, sas qymizw oti einai peripoy 215 ekat. to xrono. Alla kai ena swro alla.

GARGALAKOS: H anoijiatikh ejormhsh twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn ypaiqro, mhpws exei eklogikh metafrash; Dhladh, pame gia ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw milhsei kai alles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa. Molis prosfata rwthqhka gia prowres ekloges kai exw dwsei apanthsh, h opoia isxyei kai shmera.

GARGALAKOS: Pws metafrazetai politika ayth h ejormhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw gia poia ejormhsh moy lete. Ean milate gia epafes twn boyleytwn me toys polites, aytes einai diarkeis.

GARGALAKOS: Epeidh milhse me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

BLAXOS: Ennoei th synanthsh poy eixe o k. Stayroy me ton Prwqypoyrgo nwritera. O k. Stayroy eipe oti qa jekinhsei h ``earinh epiqesh'' twn boyleytwn se olh th xwra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean orqws diabasa tis dhlwseis toy k. Stayroy, nomizw oti xrhsimopoihse frash, thn opoia rwthse dhmosiografos gia anoijiatikh ejormhsh h kati tetoio. Se kaqe periptwsh, oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, oi boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos einai diarkws se epafh me toys polites.

SPYRAKH: Yparxoyn eishghseis ypoyrgwn pros ton Prwqypoyrgo gia na epispeystei h hmeromhnia dienergeias twn eklogwn prin to telos ths tetraetias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino poy gnwrizw einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos, dyo fores dhmosiws teleytaia, exei milhsei gia ekloges to 2008.

SIDERHS: Qa qelate na sxoliasete to eggrafo toy eisaggelea Qessalonikhs gia to panepisthmiako asylo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw pote th Dikaiosynh.

SIDERHS: Qa mporoyse ayto to eggrafo na apotelesei shmatwro dikwn sas skecewn kai prajewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, se kaqe periptwsh, oi ejoysies einai diakrites.

POYLIDOY: O k. Alogoskoyfhs, to Sabbatokyriako, se kapoia synenteyjh toy, milhse gia ta xalia ths dhmosias Dioikhshs. H epanidrysh toy kratoys den exei paei poly kala dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka prohgoymenws akribws gia to idio qema.

POYLIDOY: Nai, gi` ayto to qymhqhka kai egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy egine ayth h erwthsh kai exw dwsei apanthsh.

POYLIDOY: Oxi gia ton Alogoskoyfh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, gia ton k. Alogoskoyfh.

XIWTHS: Thn akoysa thn apanthsh poy dwsate, alla h apanthsh poy dwsate den airei to periexomeno ths diapistwshs toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Dhladh, pragmati ejedwse mia diorqwtikh dhlwsh o k. Alogoskoyfhs, alla den anairese th diapistwsh oti brisketai se kaka xalia h katastash ths dhmosias Dioikhshs. Ara, ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai, pragmati brisketai se kaka xalia h dhmosia Dioikhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opoion kai na rwthsete qa sas pei oti h dhmosia Dioikhsh den einai o paradeisos. H dhmosia Dioikhsh exei para polla problhmata. Omws, h dhmosia Dioikhsh, me mia seira apo energeies poy exoyn ginei apo ayth thn kybernhsh, exei beltiwqei arketa. Qa sas dwsw to paradeigma poy exw janapei se ayth thn aiqoysa: Ena poly kalo metro poy eixe labei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh htan h idrysh twn Kentrwn Ejyphrethshs Politwn. Eixe idrysei ena megalo ariqmo K.E.P.. Ayth h kybernhsh ta enisxyse kai ariqmhtika, alla enisxyse poly perissotero ta eggrafa poy mporei na ekdidontai mesa apo ayth th diadikasia. Edwse, dhladh, poly megalytero ariqmo eggrafwn na ekdidontai apo ta KEP -kai ara poly perissoteres yphresies poy parexontai stoys polites- etsi wste na exoyme taxyteres diadikasies ekdoshs seiras stoixeiwn poy xreiazetai o poliths sth synallagh toy me to kratos. Ayto einai ena stoixeio. To idaniko den to exoyme fqasei. Ayto to gnwrizoyme oloi mas. Ekeino, omws, poy einai shmantiko einai oti exoyn ginei para polles beltiwtikes kinhseis. Ena allo qema, gia paradeigma, periorismoy ths grafeiokratias: Qymamai aifnhs, tis apofaseis toy ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs -ta prohgoymena htan apofaseis toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn- gia thn idrysh newn epixeirhsewn sthn Ellada. Ta 40 ews 45 eggrafa poy xreiazontan, exoyn meiwqei katw apo 20. H beltiwsh kai ekei einai shmantikh. To idaniko  epanalambanw- mporei na mhn to exoyme fqasei, alla einai shmantiko to gegonos oti prospaqei h kybernhsh kai exei hdh apotelesmata.

XIWTHS: Dexomai tis parathrhseis sas, alla ayto poy lete den einai apolytws symfwno me ayto poy eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs. O k. Alogoskoyfhs agnoei thn proodo poy exei ginei; Giati, otan enas ypoyrgos mila gia kaka xalia ths dhmosias Dioikhshs, den nomizw oti...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na pw oti prospaqeite na peite pragmata ta opoia ektimwntai diaforetika...

XIWTHS: Egw den prospaqw na pw tipota.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... apo ton opoiondhpote anagnwsth ths synenteyjhs kai twn dhlwsewn toy k. Alogoskoyfh. En pash periptwsei, den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero apo ayto.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite ti shmainei h dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh oti den mporoyme na leme oti ta oria hlikias gia to asfalistiko den qa allajoyn pote kai taytoxrona na enqarrynei thn Epitroph Sofwn na proxwrhsei se pio tolmhres protaseis se syndyasmo me th qesh toy k. Tsitoyridh oti den qa allajoyn ta oria hlikias; Ti apo ta dyo isxyei dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesh ths kybernhshs paramenei analloiwth. Gnwrizete poly kala oti einai ena qema to opoio exei na kanei me zhthmata asfalistikoy. Opws exoyme pei, to asfalistiko den einai qema me to opoio qa asxolhqei h kybernhsh ayth thn tetraetia.

KAKALHS: H epomenh, qa asxolhqei me bash tis protaseis ths Epitrophs Sofwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete, epishs, poly kala oti exei jekinhsei enas dialogos apo thn OKE, ton opoio exei enqarrynei h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Eiste sigoyros oti qa kerdisete tis ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

BLAXOS: Gia poio logo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti oi Ellhnes polites exoyn ektimhsei kai exoyn apotimhsei qetika to ergo ths kybernhshs mexri shmera, tis prospaqeies poy exoyn ginei, wste na beltiwqei mia seira apo pragmata poy paragontai ston topo,thn antimetwpish problhmatwn, thn realistikh politikh kai thn eilikrineia me thn opoia h kybernhsh exei apeyqynqei, se kaqe periptwsh kai se kaqe qema, pros oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Ayto pisteyw oti einai ena zhthma to opoio exoyn ektimhsei oi polites kai ektimoyn.

MELIGKWNHS: Qewreite oti h ayjhsh ths ajias twn akinhtwn kineitai pros thn kateyqynsh qetikwn metrwn, ths koinwnikhs Dikaiosynhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste stis antikeimenikes ajies;

MELIGKWNHS: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti einai mia syzhthsh poy egine perysi se Kybernhtikh Epitroph. H xwra mas, opws kai kaqe sobarh eyrwpaikh xwra, ofeilei na antapokriqei stis synqhkes tis agoras. Ti ennow me toyto; Ofeilei na leei alhqeia kai oxi cemata. Qymaste poly kala oti apo perysi  giati einai panw apo enas xronos poy exei ginei ayth h Kybernhtikh Epitroph- exei anakoinwqei oti h ayjhsh twn antikeimenikwn ajiwn qa ginei, etsi wste na ftasoyme na symbadizoyn apolytws oi ajies ths agoras me tis ajies poy kaqe Eforia exei sth diaqesh ths.

XIWTHS: Th synenteyjh toy k. Pagkaloy th diabasate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabazw oso mporw perissotero efhmerides kai parakoloyqw oso mporw perissotera MME, ws ek ths qesews moy.

XIWTHS: Th dhlwsh toy oti apoteleite eseis proswpika ena spanio fainomeno, pws th xarakthrizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti pagiws den sxoliazw ton k. Pagkalo.

BLAXOS: Skefteste na allajete to panepisthmiako asylo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den skeftomai tipota egw. Ekeino to opoio skeftomai einai oti...

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai pws me rwtate, ephreasmenos isws apo thn prohgoymenh erwthsh, gi` ayto sas apanthsa se prwto proswpo. Kakws. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh exei zhthsei apo mia omada panepisthmiakwn na ginoyn syzhthseis kai apo th Boylh gia ta qemata poy aforoyn th beltiwsh twn synqhkwn ths ekpaideyshs sta anwtata ekpaideytika idrymata. Tipota perissotero.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy: Eipate oti den sxoliazete tis apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs. Wstoso, poia einai h stash ths kybernhshs se o,ti afora thn eisbolh astynomikwn dynamewn se panepisthmiakoys xwroys, dixws thn adeia twn armodiwn organwn poy yparxoyn sta panepisthmia gi` ayto to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xrhsimopoieite baries ekfraseis. ``Eisbolh, dixws thn adeia'', den symfwnw mazi sas.

KAKALHS: Peri tinoys prokeitai; Pws qa th legate eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den symfwnw mazi sas. Sas edwsa apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Th stash ths kybernhshs, me endiaferei emena na peite, anejarthta ean symfwneite h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh threi toys nomoys, opws kaqe kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Me diaforetiko, omws, tropo thn ermhneyei o eisaggeleas ths Qessalonikhs kai diaforetika efarmozotan mexri twra o nomos. H qesh ths kybernhshs poia einai;

SPYRAKH: Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Epeidh problepetai apo to nomo oti se periptwsh dienergeias kakoyrghmatikwn prajewn sto xwro toy asyloy, einai aytomath h arsh toy asyloy. Ayth h sygkekrimenh diatajh gia ena megalo xroniko diasthma exei meinei anenergh. Qelw na rwthsw ean einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na energopoihqei h yparxoysa diatajh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws antilambaneste, den einai politiko qema, alla qema Dikaiosynhs. Eipa prohgoymenws kai epanalambanw oti einai diakrites oi ejoysies, diakritoi oi roloi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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