Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-06-23

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 23 Ioynioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa anaxwrhsei thn Kyriakh 25 Ioynioy gia to Elsinki ths Finlandias, opoy th Deytera qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Finlandias k. Vanhanen. Gnwrizete bebaiws, oti h Finlandia sto deytero ejamhno toy trexontos etoys, analambanei thn Proedria ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Apo to Elsinki, o Prwqypoyrgos qa metabei sth Stokxolmh, thn prwteyoysa ths Soyhdias, opoy thn Trith qa exei synomilies me ton Soyhdo Prwqypoyrgo k. Persson. Perissoteres leptomereies qa sas anakoinwqoyn apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, proxqes o k. Alabanos edwse thn prwth ef` olhs ths ylhs synenteyjh apo tote poy anelabe arxhgos toy Synaspismoy. Thn edwse se ena jenodoxeio, giati to Zappeio poy ws twra xrhsimopoioysan ola ta kommata gia na dwsoyn tis synenteyjeis toys, toys zhthse ena yperogko poso, panw apo 1.600 eyrw, enw ews twra plhrwnan gyrw sta 200 eyrw, symboliko to enoikio. Ayto einai to orama sas gia thn ajiopoihsh, thn emporeymatikh, toy Zappeioy kai ayth einai h dieykolynsh kai o sebasmos poy parexete pros ta kommata poy gia sas poy omnyete sthn astikh dhmokratia, einai stylobates ths Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den eiste kala plhroforhmenos. Den kanei h kybernhsh th diaxeirish toy Zappeioy.

SIDERHS: Me sygxwreite, anhkei sta Olympiaka Akinhta. Den kanei texnika th diaxeirish@

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, anhkei se klhrodothma.

SIDERHS: Oxi, einai sta Olympiaka Akinhta. Den einai texniko to qema, einai qema politikhs boylhshs, pws ajiopoieitai to Zappeio.

ANTWNAROS: Qa parakaloysa na enhmerwqeite me megalyterh akribeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eixame shmera apo dikastikhs pleyras mia ejelijh. Zhthqhke h sygklhsh ths Olomeleias twn Efetwn gia to qema twn ypoklopwn prokeimenoy to qema twn ereynwn na diejaxqei apo efeth anakrith. To sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parapemcw se dhlwsh poy eixe kanei stis 9 Maioy 2006, o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Anastashs Papalhgoyras, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, meta apo synergasia poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Otan toy eteqh to erwthma poy molis qesate kai eseis, eipe oti panta qewroysame oti ayth einai mia poly qetikh ejelijh, ennowntas ton orismo efetoy anakritoy. Den exoyme, ennooyse thn kybernhsh, kamia ma kamia antirrhsh.

KAKALHS: Exei dwsei entolh to Megaro Majimoy ston k. Liaph na mhn aggizei ton k. Boyrloymh, opws eipe o idios xqes stoys dhmosiografoys; Kai telos pantwn pia politikh efarmozetai ston OTE;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na exei kanei o k. Liaphs tetoies dhlwseis. Ej oswn gnwrizw, o k. Liaphs epanelabe mia apofash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs h opoia leei oti allagh twn kanonwn ergasias, toy plaisioy ergasias, ginetai me synainesh twn ergazomenwn.

KAKALHS: Gnwrizete tis mises apo tis dhlwseis dhladh. Opoies dhlwseis qelete.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw osa sas eipa.

BLAXOS: Ara yparxei qema Boyrloymh gia thn kybernhsh. Dioti otan lete oti yparxei apofash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, poy milaei gia synainesh twn ergazomenwn kai o k. Boyrloymhs proxwra thn allagh twn ergasiakwn orwn xwris th synainesh, yparxei qema Boyrloymh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara to afhnete anoixto to zhthma sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia thn eswterikh leitoyrgia mias etaireias h opoia einai eishgmenh oxi mono sto Xrhmatisthrio Aqhnwn alla kai se dieqnh xrhmatisthria.

BLAXOS: Ara pws mporei loipon h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph na epibalei toys oroys se mia etaireia poy einai sto Xrhmatisthrio kai sto pws qa dioikeitai ayth h etaireia;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei. Den exw na pw tipote allo.

BLAXOS: An den to sxoliazete giati einai mia etaireia poy drasthriopoieitai se dieqnes epipedo eishgmenh se xrhmatisthria, taytoxrona omws lete oti h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph den afhnei ton manatzer na kanei ayto poy qelei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxoyn alles erwthseis, alla qa dwsete dieykriniseis panw s` ayto; Epeidh ejefrase o k. Liaphs to parapono toy.

ANTWNAROS: H dhlwsh h opoia ekana einai eparkhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Milaw gia mia allh paremferh epishmansh se o,ti afora ton k. Boyrloymh, exei dexqei epaneilhmmena systaseis apo to Megaro Majimoy na mhn ton enoxlei.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na exoyn ginei tetoies dhlwseis apo ton k. Liaph.

BLAXOS: Yparxei systash toy Megaroy Majimoy pros ton k. Liaph na mhn aggizei ton k. Boyrloymh;

ANTWNAROS: To Megaro Majimoy den ypeiserxetai sth leitoyrgia etaireiwn oi opoies einai eishgmenes sta xrhmatisthria. Ayto einai mia pagia qesh thn opoia exoyme diatypwsei epaneilhmmenws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sxetika me thn emmesh protroph toy k. Mhtsotakh, poy thn ekane meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, na mhn efhsyxazei h kybernhsh apo ta gkalop, ti exete na peite;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio se dhlwseis toy k. Mhtsotakh. Oyte qa sxoliasw bebaia th dikh sas ermhneia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qewreite dhladh kai eseis oti ta pragmata einai dynaton na allajoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite k. Palaiologe; Kante moy erwthsh na sas apanthsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: O k. Mhtsotakhs eipe, oson afora ta gkalop@.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw: Se dhlwseis toy epitimoy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias, den kanw kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akoma kai an bgainei apo th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

SIDERHS: Einai yperanw kybernhsewn, qesmwn;

ANTWNAROS: Eiste koyrastikos, legontas kaqe toso kai ligaki ta idia. Lypamai poy to lew ayto.

SIDERHS: Kai eseis epi dyo xronia den sxoliazete ton k. Mhtsotakh. Ejhgeiste mas giati.

ANTWNAROS: Einai doyleia toy dhmosiografoy na kanei sxolia.

BLAXOS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh den parembainei sta eswterika mias etaireias@

ANTWNAROS: Sth leitoyrgia anaferqhka. Kai den anaferqhka sthn kybernhsh, alla apantwntas se erwthsh, sto Megaro Majimoy.

BLAXOS: To Megaro Majimoy einai h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Moy kanate sygkekrimenh erwthsh kai apanthsa.

BLAXOS: To gegonos oti to Megaro Majimoy den parembainei, alla parembainei o k. Liaphs, dhladh enas ypoyrgos, shmainei oti;

ANTWNAROS: Poy blepete thn parembash;

BLAXOS: Se ayta poy leei, th dysareskeia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti anaferqhke sthn apofash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs.

KAKALHS: Akoysa to grammatea toy Politikoy Sxediasmoy, xqes, na leei oti to anhsyxhtiko stoixeio ths teleytaias dhmoskophshs ths MRB einai h meiwsh kata 10% se yposthrijh ths koinhs gnwmhs stis metarryqmiseis ths kybernhshs. Genikotera h kybernhsh anhsyxei gia to gegonos oti ginetai fanero oti oi metarryqmiseis tis wfeloyn@

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekeino to opoio blepw kai sas lew, epanalambanontas th dhlwsh poy sas ekane proxqes o k. Roysopoylos, einai oti xairomaste, dioti h pleiochfia twn politwn kai se ayth th metrhsh yposthrizei tis metarryqmiseis ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Alla meiwnontai diarkws aytoi poy arxika emfanizontan na@

ANTWNAROS: H pleiochfia twn politwn yposthrizei tis metarryqmiseis.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto telos ths erxomenhs ebdomadas, thn Pempth, logika prepei na ekdoqei to Proedriko Diatagma gia to kleisimo ths Synodoy ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs, opws ginetai paradosiaka kaqe xrono. H kybernhsh qa jekaqarisei entos ths ebdomadas ean protiqetai na krathsei anoikth th Synodo ep` aoriston; Na pame, dhladh, seri mexri toy xronoy;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oi apanthseis poy exoyme dwsei kai o k. Roysopoylos kai egw.

BLAXOS: Den exei dwsei safh apanthsh o k. Roysopoylos.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai exei dwsei.

BLAXOS: Eixe afhsei anoikto to endexomeno na ginei ayth h ryqmish. Dhladh, na meinei anoikth h Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti isxyei akribws h dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Roysopoylos kai egw.

BLAXOS: Ara, qa meinei anoikth. Ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Oi apanthseis poy dwsame kai oi dyo, isxyoyn sto akeraio.

BLAXOS: Ara, qa meinei anoikth. Mporeite na dwsete mia apanthsh se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, anatrejte stis apanthseis poy dwsame. Isxyoyn sto akeraio.

MANH: Dieykrinistika. Eipate -kai to qymamai giati prospaqw na akonisw th mnhmh moy, giati olo mas parapempete se prohgoymenes dhlwseis- oti h kybernhsh qa kanei o,ti prepei gia na mhn paragrafoyn tyxon ypoqeseis.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa epi lejei -giati to exw grammeno- oti ``se kaqe periptwsh h kybernhsh qa kanei o,ti xreiazetai, wste na diasfalistei oti den qa paragrafoyn tyxon adikhmata''.

MANH: To idio eipame. To ``o,ti prepei'', loipon, einai oti qa jekaqarisei mesa sthn ebdomada;

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw: H kybernhsh meleta ola ta endexomena metajy twn opoiwn kai ayto poy anaferate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akomh ki an antidroyn stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos; Isxyoyn, ap` oti katalaba, oi dhlwseis akomh ki an yparxoyn antidraseis.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn akribws oi dhlwseis opws tis ekana.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Eipate prin oti to Megaro Majimoy den parembainei sthn eswterikh leitoyrgia etaireias eishgmenhs sto xrhmatisthrio.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti to Megaro Majimoy den parembainei, me thn ennoia oti den parembainei dinontas entoles, odhgies kai kateyqynseis. Tetoia pragmata san ayta gia ta opoia ginetai shmera ypainigmos se merida twn MME.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia ta xqesina epeisodia sto Polytexneio, qewrei h kybernhsh oti yparxoyn ypokinhtes;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy exei shmasia, ayth th stigmh, einai na proselqoyn kai na ypobaloyn epoikodomhtikes protaseis, idees, osoi exoyn kai osoi qeloyn. Emeis qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti oloi oi emplekomenoi foreis, oi opoio sth megalh toys pleiochfia symfwnoyn oti kati poly shmantiko prepei na allajei pros to kalytero sto xwro ths Tritobaqmias ekpaideyshs, qa proselqoyn kai panw stis sygkekrimenes protaseis poy, opws gnwrizete, perilambanontai sto prosxedio poy kateqese h ypoyrgos Paideias k. Giannakoy- qa ypobaloyn tis dikes toys idees, protaseis kai skeceis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akoma kai an synexizontai gegonota aytoy toy eidoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba ti qelete na peite;

PALAIOLOGOS: Lew oti yparxei mia genikoterh antidrash, se ayto poy onomazoyme ``foithtiko kinhma''.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh, oi protaseis ths kybernhshs einai panw sto trapezi. Einai sygkekrimenes protaseis kai anaferontai se sygkekrimena qemata. Den yparxoyn, loipon, dikaiologies gia na organwnontai kinhtopoihseis me alla aithmata, poy den exoyn sxesh me tis allages poy proteinei h kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Poia einai ta alla aithmata;

ANTWNAROS: Egine megalh syzhthsh proxqes, edw sto briefing, me ton k. Roysopoylo. Prepei na epanalabw osa eipwqhkan;

KAKALHS: Emeis eimaste edw@

ANTWNAROS: Den qymaste oti sas eipe oti ena meros, an mh ti allo, aytwn poy diadhlwnoyn zhtoyn kati, poy den exei kamia sxesh apolytws me tis allages poy proteinei h kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Einai allhlendeto, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den einai allhlendeto. Th syndesh thn kanete eseis kai endexomenws kai orismenoi alloi. Den qelw na pw kakoproaireta, se kamia periptwsh. Alla, en pash periptwsei, h allagh toy arqroy 16, thn opoia proteinei h kybernhsh, exei sygkekrimeno periexomeno kai ej oswn gnwrizw thn allagh ayth yposthrizei kai to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Ayth h allagh einai kati poy den chfizetai apo th Boylh me th morfh nomosxedioy. Einai mia makra diadikasia, h opoia qa syzhthqei se ayth th Boylh kai qa epikyrwqei, efoson yparxoyn oi aparaithtes pleiochfies, sthn epomenh Boylh. Twra milame gia kati entelws diaforetiko. Den prepei na ginetai, loipon, ayth h syndesh.

MPALHS: To eipate gia to arqro 16 h gia th symmetoxh ths GSEE kai ths ADEDY;

ANTWNAROS: To eipa gia to arqro 16. Gi` ayto kai ekana th sxetikh dieykrinish se erwthsh synadelfoy sas.

MOYRTHS: Sto dialogo ayto poy exete kalesei na symmetasxoyn oloi oi endiaferomenoi qa syzhthqoyn mono ta qemata poy perilambanontai sto prosxedio h kai alla qemata, ejairoymenoy bebaiws toy arqroy 16 toy Syntagmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Opoiadhpote protash kineitai sto plaisio ths logikhs kai einai protash poy qa aposkopei se beltiwsh ths parexomenhs paideias mporei, bebaiws, na ypoblhqei kai na einai antikeimeno aytoy toy dialogoy. H kybernhsh apo thn pleyra ths, opws sas eipa, ypebale ayto to synoliko prosxedio, to opoio perilambanei tis protaseis kai idees ths kybernhshs. Alloi foreis mporoyn -leitoyrgei allwste kai ena site- na ypobaloyn tis protaseis kai tis idees toys. Den yparxei periorismos.

KAKALHS: H protash gia ayjhsh twn dapanwn sto 5% gia thn paideia einai logikh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh paramenei pisth se oles tis desmeyseis ths. H ekplhrwsh twn programmatikwn desmeysewn ths shmerinhs kybernhshs ginetai bebaiws se baqos tetraetias. Qa hqela, epishs, gia mia akomh fora na epishmanw oti ta posa poy dapanwntai gia thn Tritobaqmia ekpaideysh exoyn ayjhqei, kata to trexon etos, kata 13,5%.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me stoxo na piasete to 5% poy exete@

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ayth einai h programmatikh desmeysh ths kybernhshs.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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