Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-06-09

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 9 Ioynioy 2006

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STAQOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na mas peite, an qewreite ypokinoymenes tis kinhtopoihseis poy ginontai sto xwro ths Paideias kai deyteron, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn epiqesh poy dexqhke xqes apo astynomiko o synadelfos, o dhmosiografos toy radiofwnoy toy ANT1 Qeodoshs Panoy.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh me aisqhma eyqynhs, xwris aifnidiasmoys, me dialogo, me pneyma synennohshs, alla kai me apofasistikothta, proxwrei mazi me toys polites, sto dromo poy prwtoi ekeinoi anoijan. Sto dromo twn allagwn kai twn metarryqmisewn. Sto deytero de qema poy qijate, ekfrazw bebaiws, efoson ta peristatika einai etsi opws moy ta perigrafete, th lyph moy.

SIDERHS: Oi anqoi kai ta asteria toy k. Polydwra -o idios toys exei apokalesei etsi- gia deyterh fora xtyphsan se kyrio ogko ths poreias, anejarthta apo th drash koykoyloforwn. Einai kentrikh epilogh ths kybernhshs kai pws mporeite na to arnhqeite; An moy epitrepete@

ANTWNAROS: Anamenw thn erwthsh sas. Tis parathrhseis sas mporeite na tis kanete ekei opoy ergazeste.

SIDERHS: Apla, hqela na pw oti otan ginetai kai deyterh fora kati, den einai tyxaio. Apotelei epilogh kai entolh.

ANTWNAROS: H astynomia einai epifortismenh me mia dyskolh apostolh: Na diathrei thn koinwnikh eirhnh, na ejasfalizei thn tajh kai thn eyryqmh leitoyrgia toy periballontos sto opoio oloi zoyme kai na prostateyei thn perioysia twn politwn. O rolos ths astynomias einai amyntikos. H astynomia den sygkroyetai me kanenan.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qelw na rwthsw, kyrie Ekproswpe, ean exete na mas peite, posoi apo aytoys poy ekanan epeisodia xqes, poy foroysan koykoyles, poy toys eidame oloi stis kameres, poy kratoysan jyla, molotof, posoi apo aytoys synellhfqhsan kai posoi qa diwxqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn sxetikes anakoinwseis ths Genikhs Astynomikhs Dieyqynshs Attikhs ep` aytoy.

BLAXOS: Gia ta xqesina epeisodia, kata thn kybernhsh, poios exei thn eyqynh;

ANTWNAROS: Entypwsh prokalei h sfodrothta twn epiqesewn poy dexqhkan oi akinhtoi andres twn omadwn katastolhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes eidame ena poly megalo syllalhthrio, lene gia perissoteroys apo 10.000 symmetexontes se ayto, apo olo ton ekpaideytiko kosmo. Kai epishs, peripoy 300 sxoles briskontai se katalhch. Me ayta ta dedomena, ejakoloyqei h kybernhsh na milaei gia mikres meiochfies oi opoies antidroyn dixws logo;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas exw pei.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh kanei dialogo oson afora tis allages sta Panepisthmia me epideijh adiallajias apenanti sta aithmata twn foithtwn kai me anoigma twn kefaliwn kai wmh astynomikh bia;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai prohgoymenws oti mporeite bebaiws, kai kaneis den sas amfisbhtei ayto to dikaiwma, na kanete toys dikoys sas sxoliasmoys, tis dikes sas kriseis ekei opoy ergazeste. Ekeino poy eipa xqes, kai isxyei kai shmera, einai oti h shmerinh kybernhsh exei kanei gia ta qemata ths Paideias ena dialogo me megalo eyros, me megalh diarkeia kai me th megalyterh symmetoxh apo opoiondhpote allo dialogo poy exei ginei ews shmera gi` ayta ta qemata. Exei ginei eyreia syzhthsh kai synepws den mporw na katanohsw, giati opws eipa xqes, oxi megales omades, probainoyn se aytes tis kinhtopoihseis.

KAKALHS: Pote kai me poioys ekane dialogo, an ejairesei kaneis toys Prytaneis oi opoioi einai ta dioikhtika organa kai th diorismenh epitroph twn sofwn, me poioys alloys ekane dialogo kai pote h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakalesw na symboyleyteite toys synadelfoys sas oi opoioi kalyptoyn ta qemata Paideias kai oi opoioi asfalws exoyn parakoloyqhsei kalytera apo sas thn ejelijh toy dialogoy.

KAKALHS: Eseis den jerete;

ANTWNAROS: Fysika kai jerw. Alla den prokeitai na anatrejw egw gia logariasmo sas sta dhmosiografika arxeia. Sas parakalw, loipon, na erqete se epafh me toys synadelfoys sas, prokeimenoy na sas enhmerwsoyn, efoson den exete eikona.

KYRITSHS: Qelete na moy peite, afoy egine olos aytos o eyrys dialogos, an breqhke kapoios na symfwnhsei me thn kybernhsh, dioti diafwnoyn oi pantes; Giati ``en genei'' den moy leei kati. Mporei kai egw na sas pw oti@

ANTWNAROS: Sth Dhmokratia einai oi pleiochfies ekeines poy eklegoyn tis kybernhseis kai tis ejoysiodotoyn na nomoqethsoyn.

KYRITSHS: Tote giati mas lete gia dialogo;

ANTWNAROS: Exei ginei dialogos, kai malista se megalh ektash.

SIDERHS: Anejarthta ti qesh exei kaneis epi toy nomosxedioy, to problhma einai oti dhmioyrgeitai ena koinwniko metwpo poy teinei na ekragei kai na orioqethqei, na exoyme stratopeda diaxronika. Polloi xanoyn tis ejetaseis. Giati h kybernhsh se deigma kalhs qelhshs kai me sofia, den kanei ena bhma pisw, na pei ``den to kataqetw to kalokairi, to janasyzhtame, estw kai gia ligo'';

ANTWNAROS: Oso kai na prospaqhsete -kai apo xqes to kanete epaneilhmmenws- qa meinw se ayto poy sas eipa, oson afora thn proetoimasia toy nomosxedioy. Den qa balw xronika periqwria. Ejedwse ejalloy molis pro oligoy anakoinwsh h Ypoyrgos k. Giannakoy, sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

STAQOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate sto prwto erwthma, ean qewreite ypokinoymenes tis kinhtopoihseis sto xwro ths Paideias. H k. Giannakoy exei afhsei na ennohqei oti einai ypokinoymenes.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to exw pei.

BLAXOS: O k. Papandreoy prin apo ligo kalese thn kybernhsh na mhn kataqesei to nomo plaisio mesa sto kalokairi kai zhthse na yparjei eqnikh strathgikh sto xwro ths Paideias. Ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: Exei apanthsei hdh se antistoixes topoqethseis toy PASOK, apo xqes, o k. Roysopoylos.

BLAXOS: Prin apo ligo egine h dhlwsh toy k. Papandreoy.

ANTWNAROS: Einai paremferes to periexomeno twn dhlwsewn.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, bgazei h kybernhsh apanthsh prin ginei h dhlwsh apo ton k. Papandreoy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti apanthse sth dhlwsh toy k. Aqanasakh. To periexomeno twn dyo dhlwsewn einai paremferes.

BLAXOS: Twra to logo ton exei o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Den qa prepei na apanthsete sto neo aithma toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, poy exei thn eyqynh na nomoqetei, exei kanei dialogo se baqos. Opws sas eipa kai xqes, meta apo ayto to dialogo kai otan oloklhrwqei h dhmosia diaboyleysh, h kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei sthn kataqesh toy nomosxedioy.

BLAXOS: Na rwthsw kati akomh: Mhpws qelete na mas sxoliasete thn ikanothta twn astynomikwn arxwn sto qema ths Beroias kai ths ejafanishs toy Alej; Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti meta apo tosoys mhnes h astynomia shmera deixnei na kineitai kai afoy prohgoymenws yphrjan dhmosieymata kai thleoptikes ekpompes;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio gia kamia ptyxh mias astynomikhs kai mias dikastikhs ereynas se ejelijh. Exoyme topoqethqei genika gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

BLAXOS: Den apasxolei thn kybernhsh omws h anikanothta twn astynomikwn organwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: H plhrhs kalych poy prosferei h kybernhsh sthn astynomikh bia poy epideixthke xqes apenanti stoys foithtes, einai prokrima kai mhnyma sthn koinwnia synolikotera gia opoiondhpote antidrasei stis epiloges ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: H koinwnia den antidra stis epiloges ths kybernhshs. H koinwnia epikrotei kai xairetizei tis epiloges kai tis metarryqmiseis poy kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh. Kai ayto fainetai synexws.

SIDERHS: Egw qa epimeinw sto qema ths eylygisias ths kybernhshs. Eseis den kathgoroysate thn tote kybernhsh toy PASOK oti nomoqetei monh ths kai den afoygkrazetai kanenan epeidh kateqete ta nomosxedia katakalokairo; Tis pio asxhmes stigmes toy PASOK exete yioqethsei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Aytes oi stigmes einai anyperblhtes! Qa hqela na epanalabw gia mia akomh fora oti sas eipa pro oligoy. H kybernhsh kanei dialogo se ola ta epipeda kai o dialogos aytos fernei apotelesmata. Kai blepete oti meta thn chfish twn eisagomenwn nomosxediwn ta opoia sth synexeia ginontai nomoi, h koinwnia ta apodexetai plhrws. Apodexetai plhrws aytes tis ryqmiseis.

SIDERHS: Me spasmena kefalia bebaia.

ANTWNAROS: Aytes einai dikes sas ektimhseis. Mpeite ston kopo na diabaste kai tis epishmes anakoinwseis.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, asxeta apo tis epishmes anakoinwseis, yparxoyn orismena pragmata ta opoia edeije h thleorash. Edeije anqrwpoys na einai katw kai na toys klwtsane sto kefali. Edeije tetoia peristatika. Gi` ayta den aisqanesqe thn anagkh na kanete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka pro oligoy. Kai sas eipa oti ekplhssei pragmatika, h sfodrothta me thn opoia eginan oi epiqeseis apo orismenes omades stoys akinhtoys astynomikoys. Epiqeseis stis opoies xrhsimopoihqhke oxi mono oti ebriskan orismenoi diadhlwtes mprosta toys alla kai oti eixan proetoimasei kai eixan ferei mazi toys.

KYRITSHS: Egw sas rwthsa gi` allo. Kapoios einai katw kai ton klwtsane sto kefali. Ti kanei; Rixnei kefalies sta gonata;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Blepoyme oti sxedon se kaqe poreia poy ginetai teleytaia, yparxoyn tetoies omades kai dhmioyrgoyntai tetoia epeisodia. Telika, to erwthma einai, pws qa prostateyqoyn oi perioysies twn politwn kai pws apozhmiwnontai aytoi oi polites.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to oikonomiko qema gia na sas apanthsw. Pantws, eimai bebaios, oti to koinwniko synolo brisketai se synexh egrhgorsh kai oti h megalh pleiochfia twn politwn kaqws kai oi armodioi foreis, prosferoyn thn energo symparastash kai arwgh toys.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh, apokleiei to endexomeno kapoioi astynomikoi na exoyn deijei yperballonta zhlo, opws kathggeile h k. Basw Papandreoy kai malista anefere kai th dimoiria sthn opoia parathrhse h idia kapoia pragmata kai twn epikefalhs ayths ths dimoirias;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw panw se ayto to qema, to eipa.

MPOTSARAKOS: Mas ekplhssei kai mas h sfodrothta twn epiqesewn alla mas ekplhssei kai kati allo. Eidame eikones astynomikwn na xtypoyn diadhlwtes poy den symmeteixan sta epeisodia kai den eidame kamia syllhch aytwn poy symmeteixan sta epeisodia. Mporeite na mas to ejhghsete pws ginetai ayto gia allh mia fora;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parapemcw stis anakoinwseis ths astynomias.

MPOTSARAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai qema ths kybernhshs omws.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw, loipon, stis anakoinwseis ths astynomias, tis opoies profanws den exete diabasei.

BLAXOS: Synhqws meta apo tetoies sygkentrwseis kai tetoia epeisodia, parathreitai to fainomeno, kapoioi na mpainoyn mesa sto Polytexneio kai na kleinontai. H astynomia oysiastika den pairnei kanena metro gia na apotrecei thn eisodo, antiqetws moy dinei thn entypwsh oti toys odhgei pros ta ekei.

ANTWNAROS: Entypwseis mporei na exete polles. Kaneis den sas afairei ayto to dikaiwma.

BLAXOS: Esas den sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti mpainoyn me toso megalh eykolia mesa sto Polytexneio kai den yparxoyn metra gia na toys empodisoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas aphnthsa oti profanws proballete tis proswpikes sas entypwseis.

BLAXOS: Ma, einai gegonos oti mphkan. Den einai entypwsh dikh moy.

ANTWNAROS: Kataqetete ena gegonos. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

BLAXOS: Ara giati moy lete oti einai entypwsh. Einai pragmatikothta.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas eipa oti proballete entypwseis sas. ``Exete'' moy lete ``thn entypwsh''. Meta metatrepete thn ``entypwsh'' se ``gegonos''. Kai sas lew loipon: Kataqetete ena gegonos, den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

SIDERHS: Epeidh to Panepisthmiako asylo alles istorikes anagkes to dhmioyrghsan kai to gennhsan, skeftetai h kybernhsh me thn kataxrhsh poy ginetai na yparjei kapoia nomoqetikh epanaproseggish h kapoia syzhthsh me toys armodioys foreis prokeimenoy na parqoyn kapoia metra;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw kai ayto to qema einai antikeimeno toy dialogoy, o opoios exei ginei.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite epi ths oysias giati h kybernhsh afhnei ta dhmosia Panepisthmia na boyliazoyn kai na apajiwnontai xwris na dinei ta kondylia poy apaitoyntai; Mhpws gia na primodotoyntai ta idiwtika poy erxontai;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqeite kai xrhsimopoieite stoixeia ta opoia den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. An qymamai kala, kai exw sxedon th bebaiothta oti qymamai kala, sas eixa pei prosfata oti gia thn tritobaqmia ekpaideysh ta kondylia ayjhqhkan panw apo 10%, kai an qymamai kala to akribes pososto, einai 13%. Synepws proballete edw kai xtizete enan isxyrismo me epixeirhmata ta opoia den exoyn bash. Den mporw, loipon, na dextw ayto ton isxyrismo sas. Otan ta epixeirhmata einai saqra, den ta dexomai kai bebaiws den mporw na ta sxoliasw. Sas epishmainw pantws oti stoxos ths kybernhshs einai to kalo dhmosio Panepisthmio, to exei pei epaneilhmmenws h Ypoyrgos k. Giannakoy. Ena Panepisthmio to opoio qa mporei na sygkriqei me ta kalytera Panepisthmia poy yparxoyn dieqnws. Aytos einai o stoxos ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Profanws ta lefta poy dinete den ta pairnoyn ta Panepisthmia, den ftanoyn sta Panepisthmia. Oi armodioi foreis zhtane thn ayjhsh toys.

ANTWNAROS: Oi armodioi foreis, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, exoyn anafaireto dikaiwma na zhtoyn o,ti krinoyn. Egw omws, sas paroysiasa sygkekrimena stoixeia ta opoia den exei breqei kaneis, ej oswn gnwrizw mexri twra, na amfisbhthsei.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Mporeite na dieykrinisete ti ennoeite otan lete mikres omades, oxi megales omades; Xqes eidame mia apo tis megalyteres poreies poy exei ginei ta teleytaia xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia tis epiqeseis poy dexetai to teleytaio diasthma o Anastasios Albanias, me aformh kai th xqesinh synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Se ti epiqeseis anafereste;

BLAXOS: Epiqeseis apo ton Typo. Oysiastika zhtoyn na fygei apo thn Arxiepiskoph Albanias. Olos o albanikos Typos einai enantion toy.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na jerw an ayta poy moy metaferete einai ontws etsi. Molonoti gnwrizw oti exete kalh gnwsh toy albanikoy Typoy, kai to lew me plhrh sobarothta. Einai gnwsto omws oti o Arxiepiskopos Albanias kyrios Anastasios einai enas ierarxhs, enas pneymatikos andras me dieqnh anagnwrish, me dieqnes belhnekes, o opoios xairei megalhs ektimhshs, oxi mono sto poimnio toy sthn Albania alla kai se olo ton Xristianiko kosmo.

KAKALHS: Exei apofasisei h kybernhsh an sthn ayrianh synanthsh ths k. Mpakogiannh me ton Toyrko omologo ths qa qesei qema anaqermanshs twn diereynhtikwn synomiliwn oson afora thn parapomph twn diaforwn sth Xagh;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den exoyn ginei antilhpta osa exw pei ton teleytaio kairo. Oi diereynhtikes synomilies, oi gyroi twn synomiliwn poy ginontai metajy twn dyo pleyrwn, synexizontai. Eixan pragmatopoihqei, opws gnwrizete, 22 tetoioi gyroi apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK, oso htan kybernhsh to PASOK, kai exoyn ginei nomizw dwdeka apo ton Martio toy 2004 kai meta. Ayth einai mia synexhs diadikasia. Stoxos ayths ths diadikasias einai h plhrhs ejomalynsh twn sxesewn metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Opws exw pei, kat` epanalhch tis teleytaies hmeres, to qema ths parapomphs ths mias diaforas, ths diaforas poy exei h Ellada me thn Toyrkia gia thn yfalokrhpida sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, apotelei ena tmhma, ena ergaleio ths synolikhs staqerhs, dedomenhs eqnikhs strathgikhs poy exoyme se o,ti afora th sxesh mas me thn Toyrkia. Mia strathgikh poy thn sthrizoyn ta dyo megala kommata kai oxi mono. Mia strathgikh poy apoblepei sthn eyrwpaikh prosarmogh ths Toyrkias. Synepws den yparxei tipota kainoyrio.

KAKALHS: Ara, qa to syzhthsoyn to qema ths Xaghs. Ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti to qema ths Xaghs den einai ena qema mono toy, aytonomo, jexwristo.

GKOYTZANHS: Paroti exete pei epaneilhmmenws edw oti yparxei synainesh twn dyo kommatwn, to PASOK epimenei kai yparxoyn shmera dhmosieymata kai zhta na topoqethqei h kybernhsh sthn protash poy ekane o k. Papandreoy kai afhnei na ennohqei oti den exei apanthsei.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, jerete, exei topoqethqei me krystallinh diaygeia. Ekeino to opoio blepw, qa moy epitrecete na pw, einai mia megalh amhxania apo thn pleyra toy PASOK. Prospaqoyn mesa se diasthma ligwn hmerwn na diorqwsoyn, na ermhneysoyn, dhqen na dieykrinisoyn ti qelei na pei, ti exei pei o k. Papandreoy. As katalhjoyn epiteloys kapoy gia na katalaboyn oi Ellhnes polites ti den ekane o k. Papandreoy ola ayta ta xronia poy htan Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

BLAXOS: An mas peite omws ti apanthse o Prwqypoyrgos ston k. Papandreoy sth synanthsh toys otan toy eqese to qema ths epektashs, qa lyqei to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei oti den metaferw pote dialogoys poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me synergates toy h me episkeptes sto Megaro Majimoy.

BLAXOS: Arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs einai. Qesmiko proswpo, den einai episkepths.

ANTWNAROS: Synomilhtes an protimate.

BLAXOS: Ektos kai an ton qewreite synergath sas. Opote einai allo qema.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa synergates h episkeptes. Opoiosdhpote episkeptetai to Megaro Majimoy einai episkepths, synomilhths.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo trihmero.

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