Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-05-30

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 30 Maioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligh wra, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs opoy syzhthqhkan qemata armodiothtas toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias. H ypoyrgos Paideias k. Giannakoy exei kanei hdh dhlwseis ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy.

Qa hqela na kanw mia dhlwsh ek meroys ths kybernhshs gia th bombistikh epiqesh poy shmeiwqhke to prwi: H kybernhsh katadikazei th bombistikh epiqesh, poy shmeiwqhke shmera to prwi, me ekrhktiko mhxanismo, konta sto spiti toy ypoyrgoy Politismoy k. Giwrgoy Boylgarakh. Symparistatai ston k. Boylgarakh, th syzygo toy kai ta tessera paidia toys oi opoioi, gia deyterh fora mesa se tria xronia, apoteloyn stoxo tetoiwn epiqesewn. H Astynomia exei jekinhsei hdh tis ereynes. H epiqesh einai epiqesh sth Dhmokratia, giati kaqe bomba se periodo Dhmokratias, ektos aytoy poy stoxopoiei, stoxeyei sthn idia th Dhmokratia. H Dhmokratia mas einai isxyrh kai den kindyneyei apo tetoies dokimasies.

Epishs, qa hqela na sas pw oti se ligh wra qa ekdoqei anakoinwsh apo to Limeniko Swma gia peristatiko poy shmeiwqhke konta sthn perioxh twn Imiwn. Ws ek toytoy, qa perimenoyme thn anakoinwsh toy Limenikoy Swmatos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Giati to Limeniko Swma; Politiko qema den einai otan erxetai mia toyrkikh aktaiwros kai prokalei sta Imia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa ekdoqei anakoinwsh.

BLAXOS: Den einai politiko to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, sas apanthsa.

RABANOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh kanei apodekth h oxi thn protash toy prwhn Proedroy ths Dhmokratias k. Kwnstantinoy Stefanopoyloy gia prosfygh sth Xagh olwn twn synafwn qematwn metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Menw sth dhlwsh, opws diatypwqhke xqes, ths ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Mpakogiannh.

SARANTAKOS: Apo tis prwtes, estw, ereynes ths Astynomias gia th bombistikh epiqesh kata toy k. Boylgarakh, yparxei kapoia kateyqynsh sthn opoia kineitai h kybernhsh gia to poioi htan oi enoxoi; To rwtw ayto me dedomeno oti o k. Boylgarakhs dietelese kai ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, xeiristhke kai alla qemata, mhpws exete hdh kapoia prwth estw eikona;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mono ena politiko sxolio qa mporoysa na kanw: Gia mena einai safes oti yparxei stoxopoihsh sto proswpo toy k. Boylgarakh gia ton a@ h b@ logo. Ws ek toytoy, den qelw na probw se perissotera sxolia. H Astynomia, bebaiws, me thn ereyna ths, qa mas dwsei perissoteres apanthseis.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate gia ``stoxopoihsh gia ton a@ h b@ logo''. Poy kateyqyneste; Poios exei stoxopoihsei kai giati, ton ypoyrgo Politismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti qa kanw mono ena politiko sxolio kai to ekana.

BLAXOS: Eipate oti menete sth dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh. Thn idia hmera eixe kanei, se diaforetiko pneyma, yfos kai fraseologia, dhlwsh o k. Meimarakhs gia to qema toy k. Stefanopoyloy. H dhlwsh toy k. Meimarakh sas ekfrazei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme diaforetikh ektimhsh gia to oti einai diaforetiko to pneyma. Oi dhlwseis twn dyo ypoyrgwn kinoyntai akribws sto idio pneyma. H strathgikh -opws exei eipwqei kai apo ton k. Meimarakh, alla kai apo thn k. Mpakogiannh- se ayto to zhthma ths eqnikhs politikhs mas, paramenei staqera h idia, edw kai para polla xronia.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean ejetazete to endexomeno na yparjei kapoia koinh epitroph diereynhshs gia to symban sto Aigaio, me to maxhtiko poy eixame kai thn apwleia toy Ellhna xeiristh. Ean qa yparjei koinh epitroph me thn Toyrkia h ean qa yparjei kapoia synergasia gia th diereynhsh toy atyxhmatos, giati fantazomai oti qa xreiazetai kai h toyrkikh pleyra na dei kapoia apo ta syntrimmia, alla kai h ellhnikh pleyra na dei syntrimmia apo to toyrkiko aeroskafos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

SPYRAKH: Hqela na rwthsw k. Ekproswpe, ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh epanalambanei apo ths qesews sas oti h monadikh ellhnotoyrkikh diafora thn opoia anagnwrizei einai to zhthma ths dieyqethshs ths yfalokrhpidas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto exei anaferqei polles fores kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo -opws gnwrizete- sth Boylh. Einai staqerh h politikh. Den exei allajei tipote se ayto. Sas qymizw, bebaiws -se kaqe periptwsh, na to qymomaste oloi- oti gia na proxwrhsoyme sth Xagh xreiazetai prohgoymenws h ypografh synyposxetikoy.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite poy epanerxomai, alla epeidh h k. Mpakogiannh xqes diapistwse endiaferonta shmeia sthn protash toy prwhn Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kai epeidh mas parapempei h kybernhsh edw kai ena dihmero sth dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh, se ayta ta endiaferonta shmeia sygkatalegetai kai h apariqmhsh twn diaforwn, opws tis periegrace o k. Stefanopoylos, dhladh h orioqethsh ths yfalokrhpidas, h orioqethsh twn xwrikwn ydatwn kai h apostratikopoihsh twn nhswn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw analysh ths analysews. Qa mporoysa poly grhgora na sas pw oti einai endiaferoysa h proseggish toy tews Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Se kaqe periptwsh, einai endiaferon to gegonos ayto kaqayto, h syzhthsh poy anaptyssetai gyrw apo to gegonos kai h kybernhsh den exei kleista ta aytia ths.

POYLIDOY: Qa hqela na kanw dyo synafeis erwthseis: O k. Meimarakhs eide to pothri misoadeio, legontas oti den einai panakeia h prosfygh sth Xagh, h k. Mpakogiannh to eide misogemato, legontas oti einai endiaferonta ta shmeia. Mhpws eseis mporeite na mas dwsete na katalaboyme ti perissotero ennooysan aytoi oi dyo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw ejantlhsei ta sxolia moy epi toy qematos. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

POYLIDOY: Synhqws dieykrinizete dhlwseis kybernhtikwn ajiwmatoyxwn. Mhpws mporeite na mas dwsete na katalaboyme poia stoixeia ths protashs Stefanopoyloy einai endiaferonta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, o prwhn Proedros ths Dhmokratias den einai kybernhtikos ajiwmatoyxos. Htan politeiakos paragwn.

POYLIDOY: Oxi. Einai h k. Mpakogiannh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An anafereste, loipon, stis dieykriniseis tis opoies eipate, qelw na sas qymisw oti anaferqhka kai sth dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh kai sth dhlwsh toy k. Meimarakh.

POYLIDOY: Den mas prosdiorisate poia stoixeia einai endiaferonta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa hdh. Edwsa mia apanthsh.

BLAXOS: Otan lete, einai endiaferoysa h syzhthsh poy anaptyssetai kai h kybernhsh den exei kleista ta aytia ths, shmainei oti h kybernhsh einai etoimh na syzhthsei opoiadhpote diaforopoihsh apo th mexri twra gnwsth, se mas toylaxiston, qesh h yfalokrhpida einai to monadiko qema me to opoio mporoyme na pame sth Xagh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epi ths oysias exw apanthsei sto qema. Qa kanw ena deytereyon sxolio: Me xara diapistwnw oti emmenete sth logikh twn erwthsewn. Emmenw ki egw sth logikh twn apanthsewn.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, prepei na to dieykrinisete ayto giati to afhnete anoixto. Otan lete endiaferoysa syzhthsh shmainei oti an akoysete kati poy mporei na allajei ayto poy jerame mexri twra, mporei na to syzhthsete. Ayto mas lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti epimenete kai emmenete sth logikh twn erwthsewn, oi opoies pantote perilambanoyn ena sxolio to opoio omws mporei na ginei sthn thleorash poy ergazeste kai oxi sto press room.

BLAXOS: Poio sxolio; Erwthsh sas kanw. Na mas dieykrinisete ayto poy eipate. Den mporeite na mas to dieykrinisete; Otan lete endiaferoysa syzhthsh, ti ennoeite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Gkoytzanhs exei to logo.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh qa kanei kapoio diabhma, kapoia diamartyria, kapoia kinhsh ws ekfrash diamartyrias gia thn kataskopeytikh pthsh twn Toyrkwn panw apo to Aigaio poy prokalese to dystyxhma thn perasmenh ebdomada;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei anaferqei to qema apo thn perasmenh ebdomada kai to gnwrizete.

SARANTAKOS: Sxetika me to symban poy shmeiwqhke prin apo ligo sto Aigaio qa hqela na rwthsw. Fantazomai oti sthn anakoinwsh poy qa ekdwsei to Limeniko qa anaferetai sta gegonota. Politikh ektimhsh twn oswn synebhsan sto Aigaio, yparxei; Exei ginei apo thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh den exw na pw kati perissotero. As perimenoyme thn anakoinwsh.

SARANTAKOS: Qa periexei kai politika sxolia h anakoinwsh; Fantazomai pws oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa periexei to ti akribws synebh se ekeinh thn perioxh.

SARANTAKOS: Me dedomeno oti to symban shmeiwqhke kata th diarkeia ths synedriashs ths kybernhtikhs epitrophs, syzhthqhke to qema sthn K.E.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Enhmerwqhkame amesws.

SARANTAKOS: To syzhthsate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To syzhthsame amesws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy blepei prowres ekloges to kalokairi. Eseis ti lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekloges ginontai sto telos ths tetraetias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prowres den ginontai pote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eniote ginontai kai prowres, alla me rwthsate gia th sygkekrimenh periodo. Ennow gia th sygkekrimenh kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas rwthsa gia ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, oti blepei prowres ekloges to kalokairi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthste ton idio, giati rwtate emena; An qelete kapoia dieykrinish giati tis blepei, rwthste ton k. Papandreoy. Egw sas lew oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn sto telos ths tetraetias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den blepete eseis;

POYLIDOY: Apo poion enhmerwqhkate sthn kybernhtikh epitroph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia shmasia. Den qa apanthsw.

POYLIDOY: Gia na sas rwtw, gia mena exei. Eseis an ajiologeite diaforetika@

BLAXOS: Einai mystiko na maqoyme apo poion enhmerwqhkate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa hdh. Allh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Rwtw an einai mystiko na maqoyme apo poion@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mh synexizete.

BLAXOS: Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati den exei nohma. Sas to exw pei polles fores. Mporeite na kanete ta sxolia sas to brady, sto kanali opoy ergazeste. Anesh logoy exete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ektos apo thn Paideia, shmera syzhthqhke kai kapoio allo qema sthn kybernhtikh epitroph; Dhladh, egine kapoia syzhthsh gia to qema toy Aigaioy, gia eqnika qemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Qelw na akoysw apo esas thn apoch sas gia ayta poy exoyn eipwqei dhmosiws edw kai liges hmeres se mia synenteyjh Typoy apo toys anejarthtoys paragwgoys gia th diaxeirish sthn ERT.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei doqei apanthsh apo ton Proedro ths ERT.

BLAXOS: Ara kalypteste plhrws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apolytws.

SIDERHS: Kala, htan toso hssonos shmasias to qema toy Aigaioy kai den apasxolhse thn kybernhtikh epitroph; H koinh gnwmh to syzhta akomh. H kybernhtikh epitroph den enoiwse ypoxrewmenh na to syzhthsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H parelkystikh diatypwsh ths erwthsews sas apajiwnei thn kybernhsh kai ton erwtwnta, oxi ton erwtwmeno. Apajiwnete eayton gia na to pw pio laika.

SIDERHS: Ejefrasa aporia giati h koinh gnwmh to syzhta akomh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalws, k. Gkoytzanh exete to logo.

SIDERHS: Kai exei plhgei kai h eyaisqhsia ths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ypainisseste; Gia na to katalabw.

SIDERHS: Oti h koinh gnwmh einai eyaisqhth, exei plhgwqei@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ti ypainisseste, oti h kybernhsh den einai eyaisqhth; Den edeije thn eyaisqhsia ths h kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh se oles tis dhmosies dhlwseis kai tis syzhthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys; Sas parakalw!

SIDERHS: Mono aporia ejefrasa giati den syzhthqhke.

GKOYTZANHS: To shmerino peristatiko sta Imia nomizw oti egine kata th diarkeia ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Yphrje enhmerwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa prin apo ligo.

BLAXOS: Na epanelqw sto qema ths sygkroyshs twn dyo aeroskafwn sto Aigaio. Giati o k. Karamanlhs den enhmerwse proswpika ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalaba thn erwthsh sas.

BLAXOS: Giati den thlefwnhse o k. Karamanlhs se mia krisimh stigmh, poy den jerame pws qa ejelixqei kai den enhmerwse o idios ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias kai oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs enhmerwqhkan apo ton armodio ypoyrgo.

BLAXOS: Ton k. Meimarakh, o opoios ekeinh thn wra eixe to rolo na syntonizei tis Enoples Dynameis mhpws ginei kati periergo sto Aigaio. O k. Karamanlhs den mporoyse na parei thlefwno ton k. Papoylia kai toys alloys arxhgoys gia na toys enhmerwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Xatzhnikolaoy sas exei dwsei thn anesh -opws blepw- kaqe brady na lete thn apoch sas. Sas parakalw, loipon, milwntas ston k. Xatzhnikolaoy na toy peite thn apoch sas. Edw erxeste gia na ypoballete erwthseis, opws allwste kanoyn kai oi ypoloipoi synadelfoi sas.

BLAXOS: Erwthseis ypoballw, alla apanthseis den pairnw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: O proistamenos sas, o k. Xatzhnikolaoy sas exei dwsei thn anesh na apeyqyneste se ayton, ston deltio toy kai na lete o,ti nomizete. Mporeite na to kanete kai apoce. Den sas sterei kaneis ayto to dikaiwma. Edw erxeste na ypoballete erwthseis ws ekproswpos toy kanalioy poy ergazeste.

BLAXOS: Eyqeia erwthsh kanw. Giati epeleje na mhn enhmerwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa hdh.

SIDERHS: Me dedomeno oti yparxei mia ojynsh apo pleyras Toyrkias, skeftetai h kybernhsh, en eyqetw xronw, na kalesei toys politikoys arxhgoys se mia syzhthsh epi twn eqnikwn qematwn mas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh den yparxei kamia tetoia skech.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Yparxei kati neotero gia thn istoria xqes ths syllhchs twn triwn Toyrkwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekdoqhke xqes mia anakoinwsh kai qa meinw se aythn.

SARANTAKOS: Dhmosieyqhke kai den diaceysqhke oti kata thn prosfath synanthsh poy eixe o k. Karamanlhs me ton k. Erntogan, symfwnhqhke na yparjoyn hrema nera sto Aigaio. Ayta ola isxyoyn sto akeraio kai meta ta prosfata gegonota;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelei poly megalh prospaqeia, opws gnwrizete, wste na thrhqei hremia. H kybernhsh ayto poy prospaqei, epidiwkei kai dhlwnei dhmosiws, alla kai se kat` idian syzhthseis me thn allh pleyra, einai oti ola ayta -opws eipe kai dhmosiws o Prwqypoyrgos prosfatws se mia synenteyjh Typoy- entassontai sto plaisio toy elegxoy, poy ginetai apo thn E.E. sth geitona xwra, sthn poreia ths eyrwpaikhs ths enopoihshs. Qa meinw se ayto.

SARANTAKOS: H symfwnia etsi opws problhqhke isxyei kai shmera; Peran twn prospaqeiwn, h symfwnia ayth se epipedo hgetwn kratwn, isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti exei anakoinwqei, den exei allajei.

SIDERHS: Ekeino poy rwthsa gia thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, den sas katalogisa elleich eyaisqhsias. Ekeino poy hqela na rwthsw einai: exei kleisei to qema h kybernhsh; Den blepei mia diaforetikh poiothta sthn toyrkikh ekdhlwtikothta, wste na epanaprosdiorisei arxes, stoxoys kai strathgikes; Exei kleisei gia thn kybernhsh; Paei atalanteyta sthn idia politikh, ayth poy eixe kai persi, ayth poy eixe kai to fqinopwro; Ayto sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h ejwterikh politikh einai kat` ejoxhn politikh, h opoia exei polla eyaisqhta shmeia. Kata synepeia, den qa hqela na pw tipota perissotero epi toy qematos aytoy.

MPOTSARAKOS: Antilambanomaste oti h kybernhsh akoloyqei mia strathgikh sthn ejwterikh politikh me thn Toyrkia gia na yparxoyn hrema nera sto Aigaio. Ta teleytaia gegonota deixnoyn oti den poreyomaste pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Yparxoyn kapoioi sxediasmoi apo thn kybernhsh, kapoia enallaktika senaria se periptwsh poy yparjoyn paromoia peristatika sto mellon h qa kinhqoyme me thn idia strathgikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean den apatwmai einai h prwth fora, edw kai dyo xronia, poy h kybernhsh mila gia Xagh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H politikh ths Xaghs, opws jerete, einai mia politikh sta ejwterika mas qemata, poy ekleise fetos 30 xronia zwhs, apo oles tis kybernhseis.

BLAXOS: Tis dhmosies acimaxies Soyflia-Alogoskoyfh gia to qema toy elleimmatos sthn oikonomia kai gia thn petrelaiokinhsh, exete na mas peite kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dyo diaforetika qemata, gia ta opoia exete labei apanthseis. Den krinw egw ayta ta opoia diabasa kai akoysa, dhladh, oti yparxoyn dhmosies acimaxies metajy dyo ypoyrgwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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