Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-05-31

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 31 Maioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Ayth thn wra, o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias dexetai sto grafeio toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, sth Rhgillhs, toys treis ypochfioys gia thn ypernomarxia Aqhnwn-Peiraiws kai tis Nomarxies Aqhnwn kai Peiraiws. Qa ginoyn dhlwseis apo ton Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 10:00, qa exei synergasia, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton ypoyrgo Politismoy k. Giwrgo Boylgarakh.

@Stis 11:00 me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokoph Paylopoylo.

@Stis 12:00 qa exei synanthsh me ton prwhn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Petro Molybiath.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Kerdh rekor, kerdh pera apo kaqe prosdokia, diabazw shmera stis efhmerides oti anakoinwnoyn oi eishgmenes kai oi trapezes. H kybernhsh qewrei ws aytoskopo ths politikhs ths thn ayjhsh aytwn twn kerdwn kai adiaforei gia to gegonos oti ayta einai boythgmena sto aima twn ergazomenwn, opws apodeiknyei shmera to tragiko dystyxhma ston ``Titana'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, den exw na pw tipota. Exw hdh apanthsei polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa. O Prwqypoyrgos -sas qymizw- exei kanei dhmosia anafora se qemata poy aforoyn ta kerdh twn etaireiwn -eidika twn etaireiwn poy einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio- sth Boylh. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos, qa hqela ek meroys ths kybernhshs, na ekfrasw th qlich gia to atyxhma kai th symparastash stoys oikeioys twn anqrwpwn oi opoioi traymatisthkan kai fysika, toy xamenoy ergath.

KAKALHS: Metra omws gia thn prostasia stoys xwroys doyleias kai elegxoys, h kybernhsh den antilambanetai oti exei politikh eyqynh gi` ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Adikeite to synolo ths Politeias -kai den milw twra gia th shmerinh kybernhsh- otan lete oti den yparxoyn metra gia thn prostasia twn ergazomenwn. Metra gia thn prostasia twn ergazomenwn lambanontai synexws. Exoyn lhfqei epi seira etwn. Pote den einai eyxaristo na antimetwpizei kaneis tetoioy eidoys synqhkes. Einai stenaxwro, prokalei qlich se oloys kai poly perissotero se aytoys oi opoioi einai oi kontinoi twn anqrwpwn poy exoyn pesei qymata ergatikwn atyxhmatwn. Se kaqe periptwsh omws, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h Politeia synolika exei antimetwpisei to qema epi seira etwn se ena poly kalo baqmo se sxesh me ayton ton opoio eixame orismenes dekaeties palaiotera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw, o k. Molybiaths zhthse th synanthsh o idios h ton kalese o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me ton k. Molybiath, me ton opoio, opws gnwrizete, ton syndeei poly stenh proswpikh sxesh edw kai para polla xronia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla poios zhthse th synanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos.

POYLIDOY: Isws einai nwris, alla qa hqela na dw an to exete ejetasei: H kybernhsh skeftetai na efarmosei se dimeres epipedo to periexomeno ths ypoqeshs poy akyrwse xqes to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio gia thn paroxh atomikwn dedomenwn stis Hnwmenes Politeies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na sxoliasw kati shmera.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Xqes, telika ap` o,ti apodeixqhke kai ap` o,ti bghkan kai oi carades ekei sta Imia, eipan oti h toyrkikh aktaiwros efyge stis 20:10, enw h anakoinwsh toy YEN elege oti efyge sth mia para eikosi. Kai phgan kai shmera to prwi kai pali exoyn problhma me ta dixtya toys, opws kataggelloyn oi idioi oi carades. Telika ti wra efyge h toyrkikh aktaiwros;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias sthn opoia kai qa meinw. Se o,ti afora to shmerino, den krinetai ws shmantiko peristatiko, den synebh kati to idiaitero ej oswn exw plhroforhqei mexri twra.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes akoysa na leei h ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn oti den egkataleifqhke to Elsinki. Exete thn idia gnwmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy zhtate na sxoliasw synadelfo moy ypoyrgo. Den to exw kanei pote kai den qa to kanw.

SIDERHS: Oxi, an h kybernhsh qewrei oti den egkataleifqhke to Elsinki@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to qema toy Elsinki, exei yparjei safhs anafora, oxi mono apo thn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, alla kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo polles fores se synedriaseis ths Boylhs. Menw se ayta.

SIDERHS: Eixe ton oro to Elsinki oti h Toyrkia prin arxisei tis entajiakes diapragmateyseis, qa eprepe na exei ryqmisei ta qemata poy thn aforoyn, tis diafores poy ayth nomizei ws diafores me oles tis omores xwres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An h erwthsh sas exei paideytiko xarakthra, me pollh xara na sas promhqeysw apo ta arxeia twn Grammateiwn, alla kai toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn@

SIDERHS: Oxi, na diapistwsoyme mazi, an yparxei kapoia antifash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An qelete na sxoliasoyme mazi to Elsinki, den qa to kanoyme.

SIDERHS: An yparxei kapoia antifash se ayta poy elege sto Elsinki kai ston isxyrismo oti den egkataleifqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa.

SIDERHS: Mia mh politikh erwthsh, mia kai eixate yposxeqei poiothta zwhs: Pleon ta gerontakia poy kanoyn bolta sto Zappeio, qa plhrwnoyn eisithrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poios ta leei ayta;

SIDERHS: Dwsate ton periballonta xwro toy Zappeioy se idiwtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei syzhthqei to qema polles fores, exoyn grafei para polla kai malista merika yperbolika, ap` o,ti diabasa. Qelw na sas qymisw oti ston periballonta xwro toy Zappeioy, edw kai para polla xronia diorganwnontai mia seira apo ekqeseis, oi opoies einai ekqeseis idiwtwn. Apagoreythke pote h eisodos kanenos polith; Pros Qeoy!

SARANTAKOS: Me aformh thn anakoinwsh ths ypochfiothtas toy k. Ntinopoyloy, qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Pro dyo ebdomadwn, enas empeiros dhmosiografos, o opoios qa katebei nomizw kai ypochfios me ton k. Kaklamanh sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas, o k. Koyik, eixe pei oti eixe syzhthsei ena tetoio endexomeno, na einai dhladh ypochfios gia thn ypernomarxia kai oti den proxwrhse h ypochfiothta toy, epeidh eseis -eipe kai to onoma sas- den ton polysympaqeite. Hqela na rwthsw, ean synebh ena tetoio gegonos, ean epaije to senario na einai ypochfios kai ean parenebhte eseis kaq` oiondhpote tropo kai pros poia kateyqynsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas den mporw na apanthsw, giati einai qema poy afora to komma. Kai opws eidate h shmerinh anafora moy egine mono sto plaisio toy programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den eipa tipota perissotero.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh ``epaije'' to onoma sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, akoysa ki egw ayto to opoio eipate kai den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

SARANTAKOS: Den to eipa egw, o k. Koyik to eipe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws exei pesei qyma paraplhroforhshs o eklektos k. Koyik.

SARANTAKOS: Qa synanthqeite eseis mazi toy gia thn arsh twn parejhghsewn, mia kai qa einai ypochfios me ton k. Kaklamanh kai ara me thn eyreia ennoia qa einai konta sthn paratajh ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete synantwmai me oloys toys dhmosiografoys, oi opoioi zhtoyn na synanthqoyn mazi moy.

KAKALHS: H xqesinh bombistikh epiqesh konta ston spiti toy k. Boylgarakh, apo poioys qewrei h kybernhsh, opws afhsate ki eseis xqes na ennohqei, oti einai stoxos o k. Boylgarakhs. Apo toys Pakistanoys, poy epididontai sto spor twn apagwgwn h apo agnwstoys ypoklopeis twn thlefwnikwn syndialejewn, poy apokalyce o k. Boylgarakhs; Me dedomeno oti o antiproedros ths Boylhs dhlwse xqes oti h dhmosiothta poy exei dhmioyrghqei ton teleytaio kairo ypedeije stoxo ton k. Boylgarakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H glwssa mas einai ploysia. Ean aplws ofeiletai se laqos diatypwsh, to epishmainw sthn erwthsh sas, ean milate gia to poioi einai aytoi poy ton exoyn balei stoxo kai kata synepeia ebalan kai thn bomba h prin apo tria xronia erijan mian allh bomba kai kahke to spiti toy, se o,ti afora ayto to erwthma, h ereyna ths astynomias, qelw na pisteyw, oti qa dwsei stoixeia. Ean milate gia th ekfrash ``stoxopoihmenos'' to opoio shmainei allo sta ellhnika apo thn ekfrash ``stoxos'' me thn ennoia poy anaferame prohgoymenws, qa meinw se ayto poy eipa xqes.

KAKALHS: To eipe kai o idios o ypoyrgos oti einai stoxopoihmenos..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aplws einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Allo to poioi exoyn balei stoxo, me thn ennoia bazw bomba me skopo na skotwsw ton Boylgarakh, th gynaika toy kai ta tessera paidia toy kai allo to oti stoxopoieitai ena proswpo. Se o,ti afora th stoxopoihsh, nomizw, oti einai emfanhs se opoion parakoloyqei th dhmosiothta twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn. Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

SIDERHS: Otan kanoyme kritikh, otan milame gia Pakistanoys kai ypoklopes stoxopoioyme ton k. Boylgarakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na kanete aytokritiko sxolio; Einai anafaireto dikaiwma kaqe dhmosiografoy na kanei kritiko sxolio pros thn kybernhsh kai pros thn opoiadhpote morfh ejoysias, aytokritiko ws pros th morfh ejoysias poy legetai dhmosiografia.

SIDERHS: Kaqe fora poy anaferomaste se ena yparkto gegonos, stoxopoioyme kapoion;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

PAPAMIXAHL: Xqes mas eipate oti h protash toy k. Stefanopoyloy apotelei endiaferoysa proseggish kai syzhthsh. Hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh exei skefqei to endexomeno mia tetoia syzhthsh gia parapomph sth Xagh na ephreasei thn symperifora ths Toyrkias. Dhladh, na ginei isws pio epiqetikh apenanti sto Aigaio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema ek meroys ths kybernhshs, to exw pei. Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

IWANNOY: Epeidh, xqes, eixame mia enhmerwsh apo thn k. Mpakogiannh sth Boylh, exei allajei grammh h kybernhsh epishmws se qemata ejwterikhs politikhs; Dioti shmera yparxoyn dhmosieymata poy lene oti h k. Mpakogiannh, ektos apo to qema ths yfalokrhpidas, afhse anoikto to endexomeno kai gia kapoia alla zhthmata endexomenws na pane sth Xagh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As paroyme merika dedomena twn teleytaiwn triwn hmerwn: Thn k. Mpakogiannh na ejerxetai toy Megaroy Majimoy kai na leei oti strathgikh mas einai h idia. Ton k. Meimarakh na dhlwnei se synenteyjeis toy, ws epishs synarmodio ypoyrgo, oti h strathgikh mas einai h idia. Emena, edw, ws ekproswpo ths kybernhshs, na lew oti h strathgikh mas einai h idia. Treis dhlwseis ypoyrgwn, ek twn opoiwn o enas einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, o allos ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas kai o tritos kybernhtikos ekproswpos, poy apantoyn sto qema. Kai me rwtate shmera ean exei allajei, epeidh grafthke kapoy ena dhmosieyma. Den qa janapanthsw.

SARANTAKOS: Ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws gia ton k. Boylgarakh, mallon den to lete swsta. Milhsate gia hqikoys aytoyrgoys sth bombistikh epiqesh kata toy k. Boylgarakh. Parapemcate malista kai se kapoia dhmosieymata. Qewreite, dhladh, oti yparxoyn kai hqikoi aytoyrgoi stis epiqeseis poy exei dexqei o k. Boylgarakhs@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakalesw na diabasete akribws ti eipa.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh, mexri na to diabasw, qelw na moy to ejhghsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xrhsimopoihsa th lejh ``dhmosieymata'', milhsa gia dhmosiothta. Ara, loipon, exei terastia diafora to ena apo to allo. Kai epeidh h erwthsh sas ypainissetai pragmata poy den eipa, qa parakalesw na xrhsimopoihsete ena magnhtofwnaki h krateiste shmeiwseis, giati blepw oti den exete shmeiwseis. Otan lew kati kai qelete na moy apeyqynete sth synexeia kritikh, giati kritikh moy kanete@

SARANTAKOS: Dieykrinistikh erwthsh kanw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mesa se dyo lepta exw kanei mia dhlwsh kai thn parafrazete -den qa pw epithdes, alla epeidh den shmeiwsate- kai erxeste kai moy lete oti einai dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Den einai dieykrinistikh. Einai parafrash sygkekrimenhs dhlwshs. Den qa ypodeijw egw th doyleia sas. Ara loipon h shmeiwnete kai me rwtate ep` aytwn poy eipa h sas parakalw mh diastreblwnete o,ti eipa, giati dhmioyrgeite entypwseis.

SARANTAKOS: Prwton, den diastreblwnw. Deyteron, den dexomai systaseis gia th doyleia moy. Triton, rwtw, akribws gia na mhn bgalw laqos symperasma. Alliws, qa efeyga apo thn aiqoysa ayth kai o,ti katalabaina ayto qa egrafa. Rwtw kaloproaireta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw, ean qelete na me rwthsete ep` aytoy, bebaiws me diafora mias, dyo hmerwn h ebdomadwn, logiko einai na jexasete. Alla, me diafora triwn leptwn xwris na exete krathsei shmeiwsh kai na diastreblwnete ayto poy eipa, sas parakalw na mhn to janakanete.

SARANTAKOS: Epanerxeste sth lejh ``diastreblwnw''. Qa hqela parakalw na mhn epimenete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Thn eipa dyo fores syneidhta.

POYLIDOY: Hqela na sas rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh qewrei kai shmera epwfelei th symfwnia poy ekane h Eqnikh Trapeza me thn Finance Bank.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei gia to qema. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

POYLIDOY: Kai den yparxei allagh ep` aytoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tipote perissotero.

POYLIDOY: Kai htan enhmerh epi twn orwn ths symfwnias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei milhsei o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai otan egine ayth h anakoinwsh eixa anaferqei kai egw se ayth thn aiqoysa. Qa meinw se o,ti exei pei o ypoyrgos Oikonomias. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Sxetika me thn erwthsh poy sas ekana gia ta Imia, mas parapemcate sthn anakoinwsh toy YEN. Th xqesinh h qa yparjei kainoyrgia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parepemca sth xqesinh anakoinwsh. Gia to shmerino peristatiko ekana tetoia anafora poy kat` synepagwgh dhlwnei oti den yparxei logos, mexri stigmhs, na bgei kapoia kainoyrgia anakoinwsh.

KAKALHS: Eipate, xqes, epi lejei oti einai safes oti yparxei stoxopoihsh sto proswpo toy k. Boylgarakh gia ton a@ h b@ logo. Pws afhnete na aiwreitai kati tetoio sthn atmosfaira, xwris na prosdiorizete poioi einai oi logoi poy stoxopoioyn; Na mh bgalw symperasmata, alla pws epitrepete na aiwreitai ayto to pragma, xwris na gineste sygkekrimenos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite pws epitrepw ston eayto moy; To eipa jekaqara kai me kaqara ellhnika. Poio jekaqara den ginetai. Ayto poy eipa mporeite na to sxoliasete opws qelete. Den qa sas ypodeijw th doyleia sas. Sxoliaste ta opws qelete.

KAKALHS: Shmera, edw, phgate ena bhma poio pera kai eipate ean h dhmosiothta twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn deixnei th stoxopoihsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ayto, epishs, mporeite na to sxoliasete opws qelete. Egw sas lew ayto poy eipa xqes kai epanelaba shmera.

KAKALHS: Einai sygkekrimeno, oson afora th dhmosiothta (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to qema poy me rwthsate, kanete eleyqera opoio sxolio qelete. Se Dhmokratia zoyme. Eleyqerh dhmosiografia yparxei. Ayto poy eixa na pw, to eipa.

KAKALHS: Den einai ayth ypeyqynh stash, ean moy epitrepete mia krish, giati h dhmosiothta twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn einai sygkekrimenh. Afora thn ypoqesh twn apagwgwn twn Pakistanwn metanastwn. Aytoys ennoeite, dhladh@.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na apodwsete kapoy; Apodwste to eseis, opoy qelete. Den askeite eleyqero leitoyrghma; Eleyqero epaggelma den askeite; Giati perimenete apo emena na sas ypodeijw ti qa gracete; Den sas to ypodeiknyw. Egw sas lew jekaqara: Milhsa gia stoxopoihsh xqes kai shmera ekana ena bhma parapera. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero. Mporeite na kanete opoio sxolio qelete, enqymoymenoi pantws oti tria lepta nwritera, eixe perasei o mikros gios toy k. Boylgarakh apo ekei kai oti ekeinh thn wra o k. Boylgarakhs @oxi o Ypoyrgos Politismoy, enas Ellhnas poliths- h syzygos toy kai ta ypoloipa tria ek twn tessarwn paidiwn toy, synhqws pernoyn ap` ayton to dromo. Me oti synepeies mporei na eixe h ekrhjh ths bombas thn wra poy pernoysan eji Ellhnes polites apo ekeino to shmeio.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite oti oi drastes edrasan katw apo th myth ths astynomias kyriolektika kai an alhqeyei oti o k. Boylgarakhs synodeyetai apo 40 astynomikoys, exei synodeia 40 astynomikwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: A, qa ton kathgorhsoyme kai apo panw!

KAKALHS: Oxi. Na dwsete mia ejhghsh logikh, pws kataferan kai jefygan apo thn epithrhsh ths astynomias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H logikh ejhghsh, loipon, einai, ayth thn opoia qa hlpiza na mhn moy kanete 24 wres meta apo ena tetoio xtyphma: O k. Boylgarakhs apotelei stoxo. Ayth einai h logikh ejhghsh.

KAKALHS: Den mas lete gia poio logo apotelei stoxo. Giati einai poly ayqaireto kai poly tromolagniko ayto poy mas lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sas pw gia poio logo apotelei stoxo twn tromokratwn; Den gnwrizw. Me sygxwreite, alla den exw sxesh me tromokrates, gia na gnwrizw gia poio logo apotelei stoxo o k. Boylgarakhs.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla kai apo mia allh skopia kai eseis tromokrateite. Kalliergeite ena klima tromolagneias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poioys; Toys tromokrates;

KAKALHS: Oxi, ton ypoloipo kosmo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poion ypoloipo kosmo tromokrathsa; Den katalaba. Parakalw para poly na syneidhtopoihsete ti eipate.

KAKALHS: Egw jerw ti lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Toys tromokrates tromokratw;

KAKALHS: Oxi toys tromokrates@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Omilw ws Ellhnas poliths, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs kai lew kati poly jekaqaro: Eji Ellhnes polites, poy tyxainei na einai h oikogeneia enos ypoyrgoy ths kybernhshs, asxetws an einai ypoyrgos shmera, boyleyths xqes -opws htan ths antipoliteyshs- kindyneysan, kindyneyse h zwh toys giati egine ekrhjh dipla sto spiti toys liga deyterolepta, liga lepta prin apo thn wra poy synhqws feygoyn.

KAKALHS: Den eipate ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me safh stoxo na skotwsoyn ton ypoyrgo h thn oikogeneia toy. Ayto loipon eipa, ayto epanalambanw.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti htan stoxos, htan stoxopoihmenos o ypoyrgos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To oti einai stoxos, janalew sta ellhnika, apodeiknyetai apo thn prajh. To ``stoxopoihmenos'' to dhlwsa xqes kai eipa shmera kai kati perissotero.

SIDERHS: Proteinete na aytologokrinomaste otan anaferomaste se kapoio proswpo, mhpws kapoioi anegkefaloi baloyn mia bomba;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi k. Siderh.

SIDERHS: Tote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na logokriqei h dhmosiografia; Emena rwtate; Ma parakalw poly, einai dynato na me rwtate kati tetoio gia th dhmosiografia, sth dhmokratia; Th dhmosiografia thn yphrethsa 20 xronia. Oi qeseis moy einai dhmosies -kai htan pantote dhmosies gia ola ta qemata- kai katagegrammenes. Mporeite na anatrejete sta arxeia opoy qa diapistwsete oti exw anaferqei se polla zhthmata kai gia thn tromokratia alla kai gia alla zhthmata. Oydemia prospaqeia. Makria apo emena opoiodhpote tetoia skech. H dhmosiografia htan, einai kai qa einai eleyqerh na ekfrazetai. Ayto to dikaiwma, parakalw poly, na to anagnwrisete se kaqe Ellhna polith.

SIDERHS: Pros ti h aixmh, poy kanate, gia th dhmosiothta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai. Giati ayto to opoio eipa, to pairnete proswpika eseis, ws dhmosiografos; Den to katalabainw. Diekdikeite kapoio dikaiwma sth monopwlhsh ths dhmosiothtas eseis; Den antilambanomai.

SIDERHS: Oxi. Oi dhmosiografoi ekferoyn th dhmosiothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalws. Exw sxoliasei. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epanalabw ena erwthma poy egine prohgoymenws apo ton k. Kakalh. Ean pisteyete, ek meroys ths astynomias kai twn armodiwn yphresiwn, oti yparxei kapoia adynamia ston elegxo, ston entopismo tetoiwn mhxanismwn kai ean qa parete, endexomenws kai kapoia metra. Ginetai kapoia syzhthsh gyrw ap@ ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H astynomia kanei thn ereyna ths. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

Sas eyxaristw.

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