Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-05-10

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Aqhna, 10 Maioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, shmera stis 18.00, qa parastei sto ethsio mnhmosyno toy Kwnstantinoy Karamanlh, sto Idryma ``Kwnstantinos G. Karamanlhs'', sth Filoqeh.

Ypenqymizw oti ayrio, Pempth 11 Maioy, stis 11.00, qa pragmatopoihqei h synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, opoy o Prwqypoyrgos qa paroysiasei tis protaseis ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias gia to qema ths Syntagmatikhs Anaqewrhshs.

To apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia th Biennh, opoy qa symmetasxei sth Synodo Koryfhs twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai twn xwrwn ths Latinikhs Amerikhs kai ths Karaibikhs. To akribes programma toy tajidioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa sas doqei argotera apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sta apokalypthria den qa paei;

ANTWNAROS: Qa paei sth synexeia.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h proeklogikh desmeysh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den qigetai kamia armodiothta toy ASEP, synexizei na isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Synexizei na isxyei apolyta. To erwthma sas moy dinei thn eykairia na parapemcw se xqesinh anakoinwsh Typoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, para thn opoia, merida toy Typoy proxwrhse shmera se plhrofories peri dhqen periorismoy, kaq` oiondhpote tropo, ths syntagmatikws katoxyrwmenhs armodiothtas toy ASEP. Tetoio pragma, den yparxei.

XIWTHS: Dhladh, ta dhmosieymata poy anaferoyn oti o elegxos ths nomimothtas twn proslhcewn poy egkrinei to ASEP, qa diejagontai apo tis idies tis DEKO kai oxi apo to ASEP, den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanenas apolytws periorismos twn armodiothtwn toy ASEP. Qa prepei osoi dhmosieyoyn tetoies dhqen plhrofories, na exoyn diabasei prohgoymenws kala kai to Syntagma kai thn ektelestikh nomoqesia toy Syntagmatos, kaqws kai tis diatajeis poy isxyoyn gia tis DEKO.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela loipon na rwthsw epi meroys, ton elegxo ston OSE p.x. twn proslhcewn, poios qa ton kanei; Ton elegxo ths telikhs katatajhs.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas eipa. Den prokeitai na kanw edw analysh diatajewn. Apeyqynqeite sto YPESDDA poy qa sas dwsei asfalws oles tis leptomereies kai oles tis plhrofories poy xreiazeste. Den allazei sthn oysia apolytws tipote. Aytes einai parafilologies.

SPYRAKH: Allazei omws to gramma apo o,ti fainetai, afoy mas lete oti den allazei sthn oysia.

ANTWNAROS: Den allazei sthn oysia tipote.

BLAXOS: O moysoylmanos boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Axmet eixe parei adeia apo th Boylh gia na paei sthn epitroph ths toyrkikhs Boylhs;

ANTWNAROS: Me rwtate gia ena qema to opoio anagetai sthn armodiothta ths Boylhs. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite@

BLAXOS: Oxi, anagetai sthn armodiothta ths kybernhshs, giati einai kybernhtikos boyleyths. Den sas apasxolei dhladh enas boyleyths otan phgainei xwris adeia, an yparxei tetoio qema, na milhsei se mia epitroph ths toyrkikhs Boylhs;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den gnwrizw ean yparxei diadikasia basei ths opoias, prokeimenoy na kataqesei enas boyleyths kapoy, na apaiteitai adeia ths Boylhs. Einai qema poy afora th leitoyrgia ths Boylhs, sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

BLAXOS: Ara, loipon, esas ws kybernhsh den sas apasxolhse to qema. Den koitajate, ean efyge me toys typoys poy xreiazontai;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema toy boyleyth, apanthsa xqes. Den exw na prosqesw tipote. Isxyei h xqesinh apanthsh moy sto akeraio.

BLAXOS: Para to gegonos oti mas dwsate to keimeno ths gnwmodothshs toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys, amesws molis teleiwse h enhmerwsh sas, shmera qa hqela na kanw mia erwthsh: Me thn teleytaia paragrafo toy, to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys, oysiastika leei oti dyo ypoyrgoi armodioi gi` ayto to ergo, dhladh o k. Prwtopapas epi PASOK kai o k. Roysopoylos epi Neas Dhmokratias, den ekanan ton elegxo gia na doyn, ean nomimws h oxi einai eggegrammenh sta mhtrwa toy nomoy, h AGB. Sas ypenqymizw oti h AGB me tis metrhseis ths, prwton kaqorizei poy qa pane megala xrhmatika posa apo tis diafhmiseis kai deyteron kai kyrioteron, kaqorizei ean enas epaggelmatias dhmosiografos mporei na parei megalh ayjhsh misqoy h na parei megalyterh qesh h na apolyqei. Kai omws, dyo ypoyrgoi den ekanan ayto to aytonohto.

ANTWNAROS: Poio einai to erwthma sas;

BLAXOS: Ean yparxei qema gia esas.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den exete diabasei h den katalabainete kala thn teleytaia paragrafo ths gnwmodothshs.

BLAXOS: Eimai ligo xazos, alla den peirazei, ejhgeiste moy eseis poy katalabainete.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa kai xqes, o k. Roysopoylos edwse entolh sthn yphresia, sth Dieyqynsh Epopteias, na ginoyn oi aparaithtoi elegxoi. Ayto einai kai to opoio eishgeitai se apanthsh toy erwthmatos toy k. Roysopoyloy, ean prepei na diagrafei h sygkekrimenh etaireia, kai h gnwmodothsh, h opoia epi lejei anaferei oti ta anaferomena se seira dhmosieymatwn apoteloyn mono logo kai aformh gia elegxo.

BLAXOS: Giati den ginotan toso kairo elegxos, loipon, dyo xronia; Eseis ws Nea Dhmokratia, thn epoxh ths antipoliteyshs, eixate kataggeilei thn paranomia ths AGB. Ginate kybernhsh kai dyo xronia twra, den kanate ayto ton elegxo.

ANTWNAROS: Afhste na ginei o elegxos. Oi nomikes diadikasies den ejelissontai etsi, opws eseis qelete na tis ermhneysete.

BLAXOS: Den milaw gia nomikes diadikasies, milaw gia typikes diadikasies, poy eprepe na exoyn ginei apo ton armodio ypoyrgo.

ANTWNAROS: O elegxos ginetai apo tis yphresies. Oi yphresies qa kanoyn ton elegxo ton opoio systhnei h gnwmodothsh thn opoia ezhthse o k. Roysopoylos. Oi elegxoi aytoi qa ginoyn.

BLAXOS: Ma enas elegxos enos ypoyrgoy, o opoios einai armodios gia mia etaireia ginetai@

ANTWNAROS: Den einai armodios o ypoyrgos gia mia etaireia.

BLAXOS: @apo gnwmodothsh toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th syzhthsh thn exoyme kanei epaneilhmmenws. Hrqe h gnwmodothsh. Den katalabainw osoys enoxloyntai epeidh kaname apodekth th gnwmodothsh kai qa ginei o elegxos@

BLAXOS: (Den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw. Eseis profanws enoxleiste.

BLAXOS: Egw, giati na enoxloymai; Egw enoxloymai giati den exete kanei ton elegxo toso kairo.

ANTWNAROS: O elegxos qa ginei.

BLAXOS: Egw giati na enoxlhqw;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws eseis enoxleisqe. Den blepw kamia allh enoxlhsh sthn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: Giati, prepei oloi na kanoyn thn idia erwthsh; Sto briefing ginetai omadika mia erwthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ejantlhsate tis erwthseis; Den exw na pw tipote allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h etaireia ayth grafthke sta mhtrwa xwris elegxo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw oti to Nomiko Symboylio dieykrinizei oti prepei na ginei o elegxos. Qa doyme ean syntrexoyn oi proypoqeseis. To Nomiko Symboylio leei oti ean den syntrexoyn oi proypoqeseis qa prepei na ths doqei eylogos xronos. Einai safes ayto to opoio leei. Na diabasete th gnwmodothsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw lew gia thn eggrafh. Paei na pei oti einai paranomh h eggrafh gia na zhta@.

ANTWNAROS: Katalhgete se ayqaireta symperasmata. H gnwmodothsh toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys den leei kati tetoio. Eishgeitai na ginei o elegxos kai otan ginei, ean den syntrexoyn orismenes proypoqeseis, na doqei sthn etaireia eylogos xronos entos toy opoioy qa klhqei, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei stis proypoqeseis aytes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poso qa krathsei aytos o elegxos;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai epeigon, den mporei na pei h yphresia se dyo-treis hmeres, ean grafthke h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Oi diadikasies twn dioikhtikwn yphresiwn exoyn toys dikoys toys ryqmoys. Eidate, allwste, oti kai h gnwmodothsh toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy kratoys hrqe se syntomo xroniko diasthma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo to ena, allo to allo. Edw yparxei xronodiagramma; Se poses hmeres qa apanthsoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw tipota ep` aytoy.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Einai h monh lysh ayth; Eipate oti qa doqei eylogos xronos gia na kalycei h etaireia tis proypoqeseis@

ANTWNAROS: Me sygxwreite. Den eipa na ``kalycei''. Eipa ``poy qa klhqei na kalycei''.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Se periptwsh poy den syntrexoyn kapoies proypoqeseis. Dhladh, twra den plhroi tis proypoqeseis;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kati entelws diaforetiko. H Dieyqynsh Epopteias qa elegjei, qa ereynhsei kata poso plhroyntai oi proypoqeseis. Ean krinei oti den plhroyntai oi proypoqeseis h kapoies apo aytes, qa kalesei thn etaireia na ekplhrwsei tis proypoqeseis se eylogo xrono.

BLAXOS: Dhladh dinete periodo xaritos.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete diabasei th gnwmodothsh.

BLAXOS: O k. Stamatopoylos sas rwthse ean kakws kai xwris elegxo twn proypoqesewn enegrafh h AGB sta mhtrwa; Ayto synebh epi ypoyrgias k. Prwtopapa. Yparxei qema, kata th gnwmh sas, gia ton k. Prwtopapa sxetika me th diadikasia poy akoloyqhse gia na grafei h AGB sta mhtrwa h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den moy prokyptei kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, ep` aytoy@

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti qa ginei o elegxos. Den prokeitai na prokatalabw ton elegxo ths dhmosias yphresias.

BLAXOS: Emena moy kanei idiaiterh entypwsh giati eiste ekproswpos ths kybernhshs ths N.D., alla oysiastika apofeygete na peite otidhpote poy egine epi kybernhsews PASOK, epi hmerwn Prwtopapa.

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparxei logos na askhsw kritikh gia kati poy exei ginei epi kybernhsewn PASOK, jerete oti den eimai apo ekeinoys@

BLAXOS: Ma, yparxei logos. To Nomiko Symboylio leei na elegxqei ean yparxei nomotyph diadikasia. Ara, yparxei qema.

ANTWNAROS: Prosqetete lejeis sth gnwmodothsh toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys, tis opoies to idio den exei xrhsimopoihsei.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh dinei periodo xaritos sthn etaireia na synexisei th leitoyrgia ths anejarthta ean ekplhrei ths proypoqeseis kai malista na edraiwsei th monopwliakh ths qesh sthn agora; Ayto kanete.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis profanws prospaqeite na proseggisete to qema apo mia diaforetikh pleyra. Egw ekeino to opoio sas eipa einai pentakaqaro. Ean den oloklhrwqei o elegxos den exw na sas pw tipote allo.

KAKALHS: Na epanelqw sto qema twn proslhcewn twn DEKO: H kybernhsh anejarthta apo to an yparxei armodiothta toy ASEP h oxi, mhpws qymaste me poion ergasiako kaqestws proslambanontai oi ergazomenoi stis DEKO; Mhpws oi neoi ergazomenoi einai deyterhs kathgorias me meiwmena ergasiaka dikaiwmata se sxesh me toys hdh ergazomenoys;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme syzhthsei ta qemata ayta se ayth thn aiqoysa, polles fores. Yparxei sygkekrimenh nomoqesia, poy exei chfistei apo th Boylh kai h opoia isxyei. Den qetw se amfisbhthsh toys nomoys poy exei chfisei h Boylh.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla eseis toys chfisate toys nomoys gia na yparxoyn ergazomenoi meiwmenwn dikaiwmatwn.

ANTWNAROS: H Boylh apofasizei me pleiochfia.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh exei apodexqei th syndiaxeirish sto Aigaio jekinwntas fainomenika anwdyno qema ths ereynas kai ths dioikhshs. Exei symfwnhsei me eggrafo ths sto NATO na moirastei to Aigaio sta dyo;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh asfalws den exei symfwnhsei se tipota tetoio. Sas parapempw se dhlwseis, poy eimai sigoyros oti parakoloyqhse o armodios synadelfos sas, poy eginan gia to sygkekrimeno qema, prin mia wra sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Doqhkan sygkekrimenes kai leptomereis apanthseis.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Wstoso, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh oti h Toyrkia desmeyse perioxh sta dieqnh ydata gia thn askhsh ereynas kai diaswshs;

ANTWNAROS: Exei molis apanthsei o k. Koymoytsakos sto sygkekrimeno qema.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti mhnyma ekpempei h kybernhsh otan se mia hmera genikhs apergias poy diadhlwnoyn ta syndikata, oi syndikalistikoi foreis, o Prwqypoyrgos epilegei ayth th sygkekrimenh hmera na kalesei sto Megaro Majimoy ton Proedro toy SEB;

ANTWNAROS: H episkech ayth exei eqimotypiko xarakthra. Ginetai kaqe fora poy o Proedros toy SEB apoxwrei apo th qesh toy h enocei ths genikhs syneleyshs toy SEB. Opws gnwrizete, to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy aytes tis hmeres einai bebarhmeno. Opws sas eipa, anaxwrei gia th Biennh. Xqes, synedriase Kybernhtikh Epitroph. H synanthsh eprepe na ginei. Den prepei na ths apodoqei kamia shmeiologikh shmasia san kai ayth poy ypainixqhkate.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia thn katachfish ths tropologias gia toys klwstoyfantoyrgoys apo to PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, melhma ths kybernhshs einai h enisxysh olwn ekeinwn twn ergazomenwn, twn Ellhnwn politwn, oi opoioi breqhkan, se mia dedomenh stigmh ths diadromhs ths zwhs toys, se dyskolh qesh kai oi opoioi zoyn se perioxes poy antimetwpizoyn shmantika problhmata ston tomea ths apasxolhshs, me megalo pososto anergias, yperdiplasio toy mesoy eqnikoy oroy. H ryqmish, loipon, ayth thn opoia eishgagan oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi pros chfish sth Boylh, problepei mia eidikh eisodhmatikh enisxysh se perioxes opoy yparxei megalh anergia se sygkekrimeno klado. H enisxysh ayth dinei thn eykairia stoys ergazomenoys poy exasan th doyleia toys na exoyn to xrono, wste na cajoyn na broyn mia allh doyleia. Otan broyn allh doyleia, tote h eisodhmatikh ayth enisxysh payei na toys kataballetai. Taytoxrona, epeidh akribws prokeitai gia eisodhmatikh enisxysh, exoyn th dynatothta na kataballoyn oi idioi tis asfalistikes eisfores toys kai na prosqetoyn sta xronia poy exoyn asfalistei kai alla xronia, wste na wrimazoyn -ean qelete- ta syntajiodotika toys dikaiwmata. Ayth einai mia ryqmish poy deixnei akribws thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs. Moy prokalei, synepws, megalh ekplhjh to gegonos oti to PASOK arneitai na jekaqarisei th qesh toy. Qelei h den qelei thn enisxysh ekeinwn twn Ellhnwn politwn poy briskontai se dysxerh qesh kai oi opoioi, opws sas eipa, zoyn se perioxes me megala problhmata apasxolhshs. As stamathsei epiteloys to PASOK na ``careyei'' se qola nera. H ryqmish einai sygkekrimenh.

BLAXOS: H ryqmish qa efarmostei kai stoys naytikoys; Yparxei megalo problhma ston Peiraia. Oi naytikoi den briskoyn doyleia. Einai polla xronia sthn anergia kai zhtoyn mia enisxysh. Qa enisxysete kai toys Ellhnes naytikoys h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei gia toys ergazomenoys stoys opoioys anaferqhka prohgoymenws.

BLAXOS: (den akoygetai) ejantleitai olh h koinwnikh eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs; Kai aytoi oi naytikoi, anqrwpoi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh apodeiknyei kai me ayto to metro perissotero emprakta apo opoiandhpote allh prohgoymenh kybernhsh ta teleytaia 10-12 xronia thn eyaisqhsia ths, apenanti se omades poy antimetwpizoyn megala problhmata apasxolhshs. Ta problhmata antimetwpizontai kai antimetwpizontai apotelesmatika. Otan exw na sas pw kati gia alles omades, qa sas to anakoinwsw.

BLAXOS: Rwtw, ean me thn eykairia ayth mporeite na deite kai to problhma twn naytikwn, giati einai shmantiko problhma.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Qa to metaferw stoys armodioys ypoyrgoys.

MOYRTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas ejhghsete gia poio logo h kybernhsh egkateleice thn prowrh syntajiodothsh gia toys sygkekrimenoys ergazomenoys kai epeleje th lysh thn opoia kateqese xqes, me tropologia o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthse ep` aytoy o k. Alogoskoyfhs sth Boylh. To exei ejhghsei. Prokeitai gia mia beltiwmenh, mia kalyterh, mia pio apotelesmatikh, mia pio xrhsimh proseggish kai prosqetw kai ayto poy sas eipa prohgoymenws: Einai mia eisodhmatikh enisxysh. Den dinei thn aisqhsh -ean qelete- se ekeinoys oi opoioi qa thn paroyn oti bgainoyn sth syntajh, oti einai apomaxoi ths zwhs. Toys enqarrynei antiqeta na cajoyn kai me th symprajh toy kratoys na broyn kainoyrgia doyleia.

KAKALHS: Alla, h anadiplwsh ths kybernhshs apo thn prowrh syntajiodothsh sto kaqestws ths eisodhmatikhs enisxyshs den synista enisxysh -na to pw etsi- ths koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, alla xeirotereysh ayths ths tropologias. Kai me ayth thn ennoia, den mporeite na lete oti epideiknyetai koinwnikh eyaisqhsia gi` ayto to qema. Mallon thn periorisate thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai sxolio diko sas. Mporeite bebaia na to kanete. Bebaiws, omws, den to apodexomai. Sas ejhghsa thn proseggish ths kybernhshs, h opoia einai entelws diaforetikh.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, me thn idiothta sas toy Ekproswpoy ths kybernhshs, ean mporeite na diabebaiwsete toys Ellhnes polites poy qa zhthsoyn mia doyleia stis mh eishgmenes DEKO oti h diadikasia twn proslhcewn toys, kaqws kai twn prosfygwn toys se periptwsh poy apolyqoyn, einai ston apolyto elegxo toy ASEP.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn ayta akribws poy sas eipa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw gia to prohgoymeno. Eipate oti ayth h tropologia afora mono ayth thn periptwsh. Oi armodioi ypoyrgoi eipan oti qa efarmostei opoy yparxei 20% anergia.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs dieykrinise xqes oti h sygkekrimenh ryqmish afora stoys nomoys ths xwras opoy to pososto anergias ston klado ths klwstoyfantoyrgias gia to 2005 htan megalytero toy 20%. Anaferetai se sygkekrimenes omades, se sygkekrimeno periballon, me sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis.

MOYRTHS: Afoy afhsate anoikto na asxolhqei kai me toys naytikoys.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den afhsa anoikto tipota. Eipa oti sas eyxaristw para poly gia tis idees poy exete. Qa tis metaferw stoys armodioys ypoyrgoys.

MOYRTHS: Gnwrizw, loipon, epeidh hmoyn xqes sth Boylh, oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe oti afora tis perioxes me 20% anergia kai exei kai klwstoyfantoyrgikes epixeirhseis.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Sygkekrimenes omades ergazomenwn, se sygkekrimeno periballon, me sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis.

BLAXOS: Alla, milame mono gia klwstoyfantoyrgoys.

ANTWNAROS: Gia klwstoyfantoyrgoys -sas to dieykrinizw gia na mhn yparjei kamia paranohsh- se perioxes poy eixan panw apo 20% anergia to 2005.

BLAXOS: Ara, alloi anergoi den exoyn cyxh gia thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: H ryqmish einai sygkekrimenh.

BLAXOS: Alloi anergoi sthn epikrateia den exoyn cyxh gia thn kybernhsh, para mono ean einai klwstoyfantoyrgoi.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete parakoloyqhsei thn ejelijh toy qematos. To sygkekrimeno qema, o sygkekrimenos tomeas ths oikonomias einai enas problhmatikos tomeas poy exei dhmioyrghsei megalo ariqmo anergwn, oi opoioi den mporoyn, logw kai ths hlikias poy briskontai polloi ej aytwn, na broyn kainoyrgia apasxolhsh. Ayto to qema prepei na antimetwpistei kai antimetwpizetai twra, apotelesmatika. Me to anaptyjiako programma, to opoio epishs prowqei h kybernhsh, exoyme th basimh elpida oti qa breqoyn nees qeseis ergasias gi` aytoys toys anqrwpoys oi opoioi qa eisprattoyn twra thn eidikh eisodhmatikh enisxysh.

LEONTITSH: Gia na katalaboyme, ena sygkekrimeno paradeigma. Perioxes ths Eyboias poy exoyn deikth anergias poly pio panw apo 20%, alla den exoyn klwstoyfantoyrgies@

ANTWNAROS: Ma, sas apanthsa. To eipa molis pro oligoy. Anaferomai sthn klwstoyfantoyrgia kai se nomoys ths xwras poy eixan to 2005 pososto anergias 20% kai panw, diplasio dhladh toy mesoy eqnikoy oroy.

MOYRTHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia thn protash poy dhmosiopoihse xqes to PASOK gia tis fqinoyses perioxes;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. To PASOK kala qa kanei na deixnei thn koinwnikh toy eyaisqhsia kai na chfizei ekeines tis ryqmiseis apo tis opoies wfeloyntai oysiastika osoi exoyn anagkh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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