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Aqhna, 12 Maioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Ti apantate twra, meta th diwjh poy askhse xqes h Eisaggelia Prwtodikwn Aqhnwn sta osa elege o k. Boylgarakhs oti otan teleiwsei ayth h ypoqesh twn Pakistanwn, qa pesei poly gelio; Yparxoyn politikes eyqynes se ayth thn ypoqesh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela, prwton na dieykrinisw oti ej oswn gnwrizw h diwjh askhqhke kat` agnwstwn. Deyteron, h kybernhsh qa perimenei thn oloklhrwsh ths ereynas, h opoia -opws gnwrizete- brisketai sta xeria ths Dikaiosynhs.

IWANNOY: Den moy apanthsate.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SIDERHS: To gelio meta qa pesei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh emmenei se osa exei pei. Sas eipa oti anamenei thn oloklhrwsh ths dikastikhs ereynas.

BLAXOS: Se ti emmenei h kybernhsh; Se ayta poy exei pei o k. Boylgarakhs h se ayta poy exei pei o k. Karamanlhs; Giati o k. Karamanlhs exei diaforopoihqei apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Boylgarakh. Dhladh, o k. Karamanlhs exei pei oti ellhnikes yphresies den exoyn kanei tis syllhceis Pakistanwn, enw o k. Boylgarakhs eipe oti den exei ginei sthn Ellada tetoia syllhch. Einai dyo diaforetikes dhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Ypenqymizw oti h kybernhsh einai ekeinh h opoia, dia toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, sta mesa toy perasmenoy Dekembrioy, zhthse apo ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, na paraggeilei th dienergeia ths ereynas ayths kat` apolyth proteraiothta, wste na mhn apomeinei kamia skia kai kamia amfibolia gia thn ypoqesh ayth.

BLAXOS: O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs einai o monos poy den eyqynetai gia ola ayta. Edw yparxoyn dhlwseis toy k. Boylgarakh poy exei pei on camera oti den exei ginei tetoio pragma epi ellhnikoy edafoys. Yparxei qema Boylgarakh;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Parakalw na perimenete thn oloklhrwsh ths dikastikhs ereynas.

BLAXOS: Yparxei qema Boylgarakh gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

BLAXOS: Pros to paron;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Den qa bazete logia sto stoma moy.

BLAXOS: Oxi, lew, pros to paron den tiqetai qema;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

BLAXOS: Erwthsh kanw kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa.

SIDERHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei aisqhsh oti paraplanhqhke apo armodioys paragontes kai apanthse, opws apanthse, ston k. Alabano;

ANTWNAROS: Sxolio kanete;

SIDERHS: Erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Periexei polla sxoliastika stoixeia h erwthsh poy kanete. Sas apanthsa oti emeis ws kybernhsh perimenoyme thn ekbash ths dikastikhs ereynas. Anafereste se eikasies, o elegxos ths basimothtas twn opoiwn einai akribws antikeimeno ths dikastikhs ereynas.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, aytokatargeitai to ASEP, opws anaferete shmera se merida toy Typoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw th leitoyrgia mias anejarthths arxhs. Den to exei kanei pote h kybernhsh kai den prokeitai na to kanei oyte se ayth thn periptwsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eixame sth Biennh th synanthsh toy k. Karamanlh me ton k. Erntogan. Dierwtwmai, ti bgainei apo ayth th synanthsh, ean exete kati neotero na mas peite, ean syzhthqhke to Kypriako kai oi ypoxrewseis ths Toyrkias, phgainontas pros ton Oktwbrio poy qa teqei enwpion ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

ANTWNAROS: Gia th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Toyrkias k. Erntogan exei ginei enhmerwsh sth Biennh. Qa hqela na sas parapemcw stoys synadelfoys sas poy briskontai ekei. Oi ypoxrewseis ths Toyrkias einai dedomenes. H Toyrkia exei aneilhmmenes ypoxrewseis tis opoies prepei na ekplhrwsei sto dromo pros thn eyrwpaikh oloklhrwsh ths. Kai oi 25 xwres, krath - melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, stis opoies, opws gnwrizete, symperilambanontai h Ellada kai h Kypros, anamenoyn thn thrhsh aytwn twn ypoxrewsewn.

BLAXOS: Me poio dikaiwma o k. Erntogan eqese qema ston Prwqypoyrgo ths Ellados gia to mnhmeio twn Pontiwn;

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada einai mia anoikth kai dhmokratikh koinwnia, opoy h diatypwsh ths ekfrashs einai eleyqerh. H istoria exei grafei kai den janagrafetai. Ayto, allwste, den einai to zhtoymeno. To zhtoymeno stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis einai na ajiopoihsoyme tis eykairies poy dinei kai h eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias, gia na oikodomhsoyme oi dyo laoi kai oi dyo xwres mazi, apo koinoy, to mellon pros ofelos twn lawn mas kai ths perioxhs.

BLAXOS: Qa sthqoyn kai alla tetoia mnhmeia se alla merh ths Elladas;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto den einai qema kybernhshs. Sas apanthsa oti se mia dhmokratikh koinwnia, h eleyqeria ths ekfrashs einai dedomenh.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema toy eisaggelikoy porismatos gia thn ypoqesh mazikhs apagwghs Pakistanwn. Mas eipate oti h kybernhsh perimenei th Dikaiosynh. Poia Dikaiosynh perimenei h kybernhsh, afoy apo thn arxh o k. Boylgarakhs apofanqhke oti prokeitai eite gia farsa eite gia probokatsia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti egw den prokeitai na sxoliasw@

KAKALHS: @Den exete kamia empistosynh sth Dikaiosynh, afoy exete hdh proejoflhsei oti htan farsa h probokatsia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. H kybernhsh zhthse apo thn Eisaggelia toy Areioy Pagoy na paraggeilei th dienergeia ths sygkekrimenhs ereynas me apolyth proteraiothta. Gi` ayto den xwrei kamia amfibolia. Ayth h anakoinwsh egine stis 14 Dekembrioy.

KAKALHS: Kai afoy th synodeyse me th dhlwsh oti prokeitai gia farsa h probokatsia. Ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme oloi, metajy twn opoiwn kai oi pareyriskomenoi edw dhmosiografoi, thn ekbash ths dikastikhs ereynas.

KAKALHS: Poia empistosynh kai poia ajiopistia mporei na exei h kybernhsh, otan sthn kalyterh twn periptwsewn, sygkalyptei mia parabiash anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, sas ejhghsa, oti h kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy zhthse@

KAKALHS: Tiqetai qema ajiopistias ths kybernhshs. Ayto lew.

ANTWNAROS: Den perimenete. Protrexete.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh exei hdh milhsei kai h Dikaiosynh epishs exei milhsei.

ANTWNAROS: Arxizei molis h taktikh anakrish@

KAKALHS: Arxizei (den akoygetai)@

ANTWNAROS: Stoixeiwdeis nomikes gnwseis, qa sas elegan oti molis arxizei h taktikh anakrish.

KYRITSHS: Egw na dextw oti prepei na perimenoyme, na doyme ti qa pei h Dikaiosynh. Alla, epeidh h Dikaiosynh exei pei kapoia pragmata hdh kai arxizei h taktikh anakrish kai epeidh stis arxes toy etoys o Prwqypoyrgos, xwris na to qelei isws, paraplhroforhse ton k. Alabano gia to qema ayto- o k. Alabanos eixe paei na ton synanthsei akribws gi` ayto to logo- anarwtiemai an h kybernhsh einai diateqeimenh na qesei se diaqesimothta toys anqrwpoys poy emplekontai s` ayth thn ypoqesh gia na dieykolynei thn ereyna. Dioti apo th mexri twra stash toys blepoyme oti den dieykolynoyn thn ereyna, isa - isa th xleyazoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den parakoloyqeite osa exw pei. Exei askhqei poinikh diwjh enantion agnwstwn. Synepws, den einai kaneis sygkekrimenos anqrwpos ayth th stigmh kathgoroymenos. Den jerw, an katalabainete apo nomika.

KYRITSHS: Liga pragmata.

ANTWNAROS: Loipon, den exei apaggelqei kathgoria enantion oydenos sygkekrimenoy proswpoy.

KYRITSHS: Syggnwmh, otan apaggelqei kathgoria, den qa to syzhtagame.

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew oti qa perimenw thn oloklhrwsh ths dikastikhs ereynas. Den mporei na enoxopoieitai kaneis gia ton opoio den exei apaggelqei kathgoria. Ayto einai basikh arxh toy dikaioy poy isxyei se oles tis dhmokratikes koinwnies.

BLAXOS: Einai politiko to qema, dioti edw emfanizetai o Prwqypoyrgos na exei kanei mia dhlwsh, basei mias plhroforhshs poy exei apo enan Ypoyrgo. H dhlwsh poy exei kanei o Prwqypoyrgos einai teleiws diaforetikh apo ayth poy exei kanei o Ypoyrgos. Kai bgainei twra o Eisaggeleas, o opoios oysiastika leei oti o kyrios Prwqypoyrgos paraplhroforhqhke kai ara, sth synexeia den eipe olh thn alhqeia@

ANTWNAROS: Kanete ermhneies kata to dokoyn@

BLAXOS: Den einai qema dikastiko, einai kat` ejoxhn qema gia thn prostasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: Einai prwtistws qema nomiko.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote, pws einai dynaton o k. Boylgarakhs na proejoflhse, prin jekinhsei akomh h taktikh anakrish oti einai farsa h probokatsia; Apo th stigmh poy to proejoflhse kai to eipe dhmosia, den einai ekqetos;

ANTWNAROS: Qa perimenw, opws sas eipa ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, thn ekbash ths sygkekrimenhs ereynas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na askhqei poinikh diwjh shmainei oti qema yparxei, asxeta me to poy qa katalhjei. H kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na leei oti den yparxei qema apagwgwn twn Pakistanwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos qa perimenw na oloklhrwqei h taktikh anakrish.

SIDERHS: Diakrinete diafora tonoy anamesa stis twrines dikes sas dhlwseis kai se ekeines toy k. Boylgarakh;

ANTWNAROS: H mnhmh moy einai arketa kalh, alla den prokeitai na kanw tetoies anadromes sto parelqon.

IWANNOY: Na rwthsw kati, epeidh einai se ejelijh ayth h dikastikh ereyna, h kybernhsh apokleiei to endexomeno na yparxoyn h na prokycoyn politikes eyqynes; Dhladh, ayto to endexomeno to exete aporricei h to symperilambanete kai qa energhsete afoy deite ti qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Qelw na kanw akomh mia parathrhsh: Ta dhmosieymata meridas twn MME gi` ayto to qema, metatrepoyn se teliko porisma diafores ekdoxes, th basimothta twn opoiwn elegxei h taktikh anakrish.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh zhtate nomikes gnwseis kai egw eimai nomikos, qelw na sas pw oti mhnysh kat` agnwstwn shmainei oti yparxei mia parabatikh leitoyrgia, den exoyn entopistei omws ta atoma. Otan o Prwqypoyrgos elege ston k. Alabano oti kata thn enhmerwsh toy den yphrxe parabatikh leitoyrgia, shmainei oti h enhmerwsh poy eixe htan esfalmenh. Sas rwtoyme, loipon, oloi oi synadelfoi ean gia ton Prwqypoyrgo yparxei politiko qema gia thn esfalmenh enhmerwsh poy toy eixe parasxeqei.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw: Pepoiqhsh ths kybernhshs einai oti se mia dhmokratikh koinwnia, san kai ayth poy zoyme emeis kai ta agaqa ths opoias emeis apolambanoyme shmera, prepei ola na ginontai sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Den mporei na apokleisei kaneis, omws, oti qa yparjei kapoia parabatikh symperifora. Parola tayta, tonizw oti h kybernhsh qa anameinei thn ekbash ths dikastikhs ereynas, opoy ejetazontai diafores eikasies, ekdoxes, ypoqeseis k.t.l.

BLAXOS: Sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos o Prwqypoyrgos thlefwnhse ston k. Boylgarakh na toy pei ``Giwrgo, mhpws den moy eipes olh thn alhqeia tote; Mhpws yparxei kati allo poy moy ekryces h den hjeres''; Sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos, to ekane ayto o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh profanws prospaqeite na diakwmwdhsete orismena apo ayta poy eipa@

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. Eseis den eipate ``sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos ofeilei na leitoyrghsei o Prwqypoyrgos''; Sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos elegje ton ypoyrgo toy ean toy eipe thn alhqeia h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Parafrazete osa eipa molis. Kai prosqetw: Prwton, opws gnwrizete, den sas anakoinwnoyme tis synexeis epafes h ta thlefwnhmata h tis alles synergasies tetoioy eidoys poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys. Deyteron, opws sas eipa, h kybernhsh qa perimenei thn oloklhrwsh ths dikastikhs ereynas, h opoia brisketai, ayth th stigmh, se ena sygkekrimeno stadio. Perimenete, loipon, kai eseis gia na deite.

MPALHS: Diabasa twra sthn ``Kaqhmerinh'' oti to oikonomiko epiteleio meleta na balei thn Olympiakh sto arqro 44. Mporeite na moy peite ean ayto einai dikaio kai an kat` arxhn isxyei kati tetoio, apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh exei entopisei kai politikes eyqynes gia to qema ths Olympiakhs, gia thn katastash poy exei ftasei shmera h Olympiakh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh qa kanei o,ti xreiazetai gia na exoyme thn kalyterh dynath lysh sto qema ths Olympiakhs. Anafores, opws sas exoyme pei kai alles fores se ayto to lepto stadio poy briskontai oi synennohseis poy diejagontai, se leptomereies poy aforoyn thn Olympiakh, den kanoyn kalo sthn ypoqesh.

MPALHS: Aplws rwtw, ean h kybernhsh meleta thn ypagwgh ths Olympiakhs sto arqro 44.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo panw se ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epanerxomai sto qema twn apagwgwn h se ayto toylaxiston poy anamenetai na prokycei apo th dikastikh ereyna. Apo th stigmh poy ontas ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs o k. Boylgarakhs prospaqhse na pei dhmosia oti einai h farsa h probokatsia, prin akomh apofanqei h dikastikh ereyna, me ayto ton tropo den qa mporoyse na deijei pros ta ejw oti epidiwkei na strecei th dikastikh ereyna pros mia sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh; Sthn oysia -na to pw kai entos eisagwgikwn- na podhgethsei politika th dikastikh ereyna apo th stigmh poy apofainetai aytos ws ypoyrgos oti einai farsa h probokatsia;

ANTWNAROS: Apodidete se ypoyrgoys proqeseis poy den yparxoyn. Sas lew oti h kybernhsh zhthse akribws th dienergeia ths ereynas kat` apolyth proteraiothta.

GKOYTZANHS: Tote, giati den mas eipe tote oti h kybernhsh ``as perimenoyme th dikastikh ereyna'', alla biasthke na proejoflhsei oti einai farsa h probokatsia; Einai ena eylogo erwthma sto opoio den apantate.

ANTWNAROS: Ginomai baretos jerete, alla einai h kybernhsh ekeinh poy zhthse apo ton eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy na paraggeilei th dienergeia ths ereynas kat` apolyth proteraiothta.

SIDERHS: Qa sas kanw to koplimento na sas pw oti einai noynexhs h shmerinhs sas stash. Edw to qema tiqetai ean htan noynexhs h stash toy k. Boylgarakh, an synadei me th dikh sas shmera. Ayto leme tosh wra.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eyxaristw gia ta kala logia poy apeyqynete pros to proswpo moy.

SIDERHS: Gia ton k. Boylgarakh den mas eipate.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

BLAXOS: Meta apo diakoph ths enhmerwshs twn politikwn syntaktwn gia 24 wres, hrqate sto briefing kai den aisqanqhkate thn anagkh na kanete mia aytonohth dhlwsh, dioti einai kai sthn armodiothta sas. Anaferomai stis kataggelies poy dhmosiws ektojeythkan gia thn ERT, apo anejarthtoys paragwgoys, oi opoioi epi treis wres, me ta pio melana xrwmata, skiagrafoysan ayto poy ginetai sthn ERT me tis paragwges, me th diaspaqish xrhmatwn, me polla pragmata. Ekaton eikosi xiliades eyrw stoixizei ena epeisodio; Qa apanthsete ws armodios;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Sas parapempw sth xqesinh anakoinwsh ths dioikhshs ths ERT.

BLAXOS: Ma, oi anqrwpoi ths ERT einai dikh sas epilogh.

ANTWNAROS: Einai safhs h apanthsh ths dioikhshs ths ERT.

BLAXOS: Ara, h kybernhsh kalyptei plhrws th dioikhsh ths ERT.

ANTWNAROS: Einai safhs h apanthsh ths ERT.

BLAXOS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos exei pei ``semna kai tapeina''. To jerete; Ayto isxyei kai gia th dioikhsh ths ERT;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

LEONTITSH: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite pote akribws parhggeile h kybernhsh th dienergeia ths ereynas. Giati o k. Boylgarakhs ekane tis dhlwseis stis 15 Dekembrioy kai o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwse ton k. Alabano stis 5 Ianoyarioy.

ANTWNAROS: Anatrejte ligo sto arxeio sas. Stis 14 Dekembrioy 2005.

KAKALHS: Se ena synafes qema me thn ypoqesh ths apagwghs twn Pakistanwn, sthn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn. Epimenei h kybernhsh sthn arxikh dhlwsh toy k. Roysopoyloy oti den yparxei anamijh twn mystikwn yphresiwn twn HPA sthn ypoqesh ayth meta kai tis kataqeseis toy nyn kai toy prwhn proedroy ths EYP, sthn epitroph ths Boylhs;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exei pei h kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Oloi pleon deixnoyn toys Amerikanoys. Mono h kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na leei oti den yparxei anamijh twn Amerikanwn.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exei pei h kybernhsh. Synexizetai h ereyna.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h ereyna gia toys Pakistanoys se ena shmeio prosekroyse sth diplwmatikh asylia Bretanoy stelexoys twn mystikwn yphresiwn, o opoios briskotan sthn Aqhna ekeinh thn epoxh kai kathgoreito oti symmeteixe stis apagwges kai anakriseis. Qelw na rwthsw, ean to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, prokeitai na zhthsei dikastikh syndromh twn bretanikwn arxwn gia na klhqei aytos o kyrios na kataqesei.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn orismenes dieqneis praktikes kai symbaseis, oi opoies efarmozontai sth diplwmatia apo oles tis xwres. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

BLAXOS: Dyo erwthseis, oi opoies syndeontai metajy toys. Protoy o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwsei kai pei ayta ston k. Alabano, enhmerwqhke gia to qema ayto ap` ton k. Boylgarakh h apo allon ypoyrgo; Kai deyteron, epanalambanete oti isxyoyn ta osa exei pei h kybernhsh sto qema ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Se poio;

BLAXOS: Sto qema twn Pakistanwn. Ara profanws isxyei kai ayto poy exei pei kai o k. Karamanlhs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh perimenei thn oloklhrwsh ths dikastikhs ereynas.

BLAXOS: Kamia sxesh den exei ayto. Rwtw, o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwqhke gia ta gegonota apo ton k. Boylgarakh; Ayto qelw na jerw.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai apo toys ypoyrgoys toy.

BLAXOS: Apo ton k. Boylgarakh.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai apo toys ypoyrgoys toy.

BLAXOS: Isxyoyn osa eipe o k. Karamanlhs tote;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei.

BLAXOS: Den epanalambanete ean isxyoyn ayta poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos tote; Einai poly shmantiko na mas peite ean isxyoyn ayta poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos tote.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete dika sas sxolia poy den exoyn qesh se ayth thn aiqoysa. Mporeite na ta kanete sto staqmo poy ergazeste.

BLAXOS: Erwthsh sas kanw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Na mas epanalabete ean isxyoyn ayta ta opoia eipe o k. Karamanlhs ston k. Alabano. Ayto qeloyme na jeroyme.

GKOYTZANHS: Afoy h kybernhsh leitoyrgei me diafaneia, giati exete tetoio problhma na mas peite ean enhmerwse h oxi o armodios ypoyrgos ton k. Karamanlh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhmioyrgeite mia entypwsh, oti kapoia pragmata@

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas proswpikh entypwsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Prosfata apokalyfqhke oti o Moysoylmanos boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Ilxan, episkefqhke thn Agkyra kai milhse se epitroph gia ta zhthmata ths meionothtas. Twra apokalyptetai apo thn efhmerida EPENDYTHS poy qa kykloforhsei ayrio, oti eixe ypogracei sxetikh anakoinwsh thn opoia exei steilei kai pros thn armodia dieyqynsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias mazi me alla 605 melh ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas, symfwna me thn opoian, apokalei toyrkikh th meionothta ekei poy menei sth Qrakh kai oti yfistatai diwgmoys. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste se dhmosieyma kapoias efhmeridas, h opoia qa kykloforhsei ayrio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto, epeidh yparxei enhmerwsh. Epeidh mas parapemcate me dhlwseis sas@

ANTWNAROS: Exw kanei sygkekrimenh dhlwsh gia ton k. Ilxan.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akribws. Kai egw anarwtiemai kai lew oti h nea apokalych gia tis drasthriothtes toy k. Ilxan, o opoios milaei gia toyrkikh meionothta sth Qrakh kai malista anaferetai epishma pros to Ypoyrgeio Paideias, den einai gnwsto; Den sas exei enhmerwsei h k. Marietta Giannakoy gi` ayto h kapoios allos;

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste se kati to opoio den exw dei. Isxyei h dhlwsh poy ekana gia ton k. Ilxan, akribws opws thn ekana kai oxi parafrasmenh. Parakalw na th diabasete.

PALAIOLOGOS: To gegonos oti o k. Ilxan, enhmerwse prosfata ton armodio grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, apo th stigmh poy to qema qewrhqhke lhjan estw proswrinws exei enhmerwsei gia sxetikes drasthriothtes toy, o k. Ilxan ton k. Stayroy;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Einai qema Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

POYLIDOY: Ean shmera o Prwqypoyrgos eblepe ton k. Alabano qa toy elege akribws ta idia poy toy eixe pei kai pro trimhnoy;

ANTWNAROS: Eixe oristei ranteboy gia shmera;

POYLIDOY: Ayth einai h apanthsh sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw tipote allo. H kybernhsh anamenei thn ekbash ths dikastikhs ereynas. Sas lew oti h Ellada einai mia dhmokratikh Politeia opoy leitoyrgoyn oi qesmoi kai ola prepei na ginontai sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn.

POYLIDOY: Edw prokyptei eknomh drasthriothta.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras exei ranteboy kaqe hmera me ton ellhniko lao kai den xreiazetai na parei ranteboy me ton k. Alabano, prokeimenoy na enhmerwsei gia kati.

ANTWNAROS: Apo o,ti antilambanomai ekfwneite pali kapoio logydrio.

BLAXOS: Parathrhsh, logw ths peiras moy edw sto press room. Tetoia apanthsh den exei doqei apo kanenan.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, to ranteboy, opws eipate, kaqe kommatos poy anadeiknyetai sthn ejoysia, kaqe Prwqypoyrgoy poy exei eklegei se ayth th qesh kai kyriws toy Prwqypoyrgoy@

BLAXOS: Einai me to lao.

ANTWNAROS: @einai kaqe mera me ekeinoys poy toy edwsan thn pleiochfia gia na kybernhsei gia tessera xronia kai oxi me osoys prospaqoyn na kanoyn thn trixa trixia h na metatrecoyn orismenes eikasies se teliko porisma mias dikastikhs ereynas.

GKOYTZANHS: Exete kati ypoch sas;

ANTWNAROS: Hmoyn safhs se o,ti eipa.

KYRITSHS: Epeidh erxetai edw o Prwqypoyrgos toy Pakistan, qa hqela na mas peite proxeirws thn atzenta kai an qa syzhthqei to qema ayto stis synomilies.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth ti stigmh, den exw na sas pw tipote. Na enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

POYLIDOY: Pws skeftetai h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei ta kroysmata ``xoyligkanismoy'' ta opoia diogkwnontai.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei epideijei apo thn arxh, opws gnwrizete, megalh eyaisqhsia gia thn apokatastash, gia th diathrhsh ths tajews stoys aqlhtikoys xwroys. Ekeinoi oi ligoi, giati opws apodeiknyetai eytyxws ligoi einai ekeinoi, oi opoioi parektrepontai, qa prepei na apomonwqoyn apo th megalh pleiochfia twn filaqlwn oi opoioi asfalws qeloyn hrema na parakoloyqhsoyn kai na apolaysoyn mia aqlhtikh diorganwsh.

POYLIDOY: Ayto einai eyxologio, den einai politikh stash apenanti se ena koinwniko fainomeno poy plhttei thn kaqhmerinothta twn politwn kai ta oikonomika symferonta epixeirhsewn.

ANTWNAROS: Me rwthsate profanws gia ta aqlhtika.

POYLIDOY: Nai akribws.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa. Opoy yparxoyn, allwste, ypeyqynoi kai opoy aytoi oi ypeyqynoi syllambanontai, kai opws eidate synellhfqhsan orismenoi, prepei na yfistantai kai tis synepeies toy nomoy.

BLAXOS: Dhladh tessera atoma espasan oloklhro to karabi;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tis leptomereies. Den kanw astynomikh diereynhsh toy qematos. Den einai dikh moy doyleia. Sygxeete syxna thn kybernhsh me th leitoyrgia twn diwktikwn arxwn kai ths dikastikhs ejoysias.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti h Toyrkia prepei na ekplhrwsei tis ypoxrewseis ths sto dromo gia thn entajh ths sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, wstoso h Toyrkia arneitai na efarmosei to prwtokollo ths telwneiakhs enwshs kai symfwna me kapoies plhrofories zhtaei anabolh na mhn to efarmosei toylaxiston to 2006. H kybernhsh symfwnei me ayto to aithma ths Toyrkias;

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy prokyptei ayto;

KAKALHS: Lew oti yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories. Ektos kai an teqhke tetoio qema sth synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

ANTWNAROS: Gi` ayta ta qemata enhmerwqhkan oi synadelfoi sas poy briskontai sth Biennh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla den apanthsate sto ean symfwnei h Ellada@

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada anamenei, opws kai oi alles 24 xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs apo thn Toyrkia, na timhsei ta sympefwnhmena kai na efarmosei oles tis eilhmmenes ypoxrewseis ths.

KAKALHS: Ara, kai entos toy 2006 na efarmosei to prwtokollo ths telwneiakhs enwshs. Ayto lete.

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes ayto poy sas lew.

KAKALHS: Na to kanoyme loipon kaqaro@

PAPAMIXAHL: Sto qema ths syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs, to PASOK kathgorhse thn kybernhsh gia atolmes protaseis. To PASOK proteine th syntagmatikh katoxyrwsh enos eggyhmenoy epipedoy ajioprepoys diabiwshs. Mhpws qa eprepe ena tetoio metro filolaiko na yparxei kai stis protaseis ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhtikh pleiochfia, xqes, dia stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh ekane sygkekrimenes protaseis. Anaferomenos diejodika sta arqra ta opoia einai pros anaqewrhsh o k. Karamanlhs, ypogrammise thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia thn opoia exei h kybernhsh kai ypogrammise kyriws thn egnoia thn opoia prepei na exei h Politeia gia thn ejasfalish koinwnikhs synoxhs. Ayto einai ekeino to opoio exei shmasia kai ayto einai poy proteinei h kybernhsh. H protash ayth paei poly makrytera apo mia poly apospasmatikh protash poy ekane o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

KYRITSHS: O Prwqypoyrgos xqes anaferqhke mono se mia apo tis protaseis toy k. Papandreoy, thn protash gia thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, den ekane kapoia anafora stis ypoloipes protaseis. Mhpws qelete na mas peite kati parapanw; Stis ypoloipes symfwnei, epi paradeigmati sto qrhskeytiko orko klp;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos se ola ta qemata htan para poly safhs kai analytikos.

KYRITSHS: Se ayta poy den anefere lew, oxi se ayta poy anefere. Apo tis deka, apanthse sth mia.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos paroysiase tis protaseis ths kybernhshs. Se alla qemata, den ekrine skopimo kan na anaferqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Alhqeyei opws apokalyptetai shmera apo sygkekrimenh efhmerida, thn HMERHSIA, oti oi ayjhseis poy doqhkan se ypallhloys toy OSE gia thn prosexh dietia einai kata poly parapanw apo aytes poy toylaxiston elege o k. Alogoskoyfhs prin thn ypografh twn kladikwn symbasewn; Dhladh, ftanoyn gyrw sto 11%;

ANTWNAROS: Deka tois ekato eida egw se alles efhmerides.

PALAIOLOGOS: (Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: @En pash periptwsei den alhqeyei ayth h plhroforia me ton tropo poy thn paroysiazete. To synolo ths misqologikhs dapanhs, opws eixe ypologistei, htan 5% gia thn prwth xronia kai 6% gia th deyterh. Synolika 11%. Ep` aytoy qa kanei allwste anakoinwseis o k. Alogoskoyfhs ej oswn gnwrizw. Shmasia omws exei oti yparxoyn symfwnies. Symfwnoyn, dhladh, oi dioikhseis me toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: H anafora moy kai h epishmansh einai politikh giati mexri twra@

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: @Mexri prin apo ligo kairo o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai genika to oikonomiko epiteleio apagoreyan@

ANTWNAROS: Ma exei teqei sygkekrimeno plaisio. Molis sas to anelysa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mas parapempete dhladh ston k. Alogoskoyfh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti to synolo twn synolikwn misqologikwn anaprosarmogwn einai 5% gia to 2006 kai 6% gia to 2007. Ayto poy symfwnhqhke einai katw apo ayto to synolo.

KYRITSHS: Apo th mia pleyra h Toyrkia kanei askhseis sto Aigaio zhtwntas h ekbiazontas en pash periptwsei thn armodiothta gia ereyna kai diaswsh dixotomwntas to Aigaio. Apo thn allh ta ellhnika ploia den einai se qesh na syndesoyn ton Peiraia me ta nhsia. Mhpws yparxei kapoio problhma panw s` ayta ta pragmata;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, kanena. Dioti kanenas apo toys dyo isxyrismoys sas den exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

KYRITSHS: Afoy den paei karabi sthn Kyqno, 20 xiliometra se eyqeia.

ANTWNAROS: Lypamai. Jerete exw filoys sthn Kyqno opoy paw taktika.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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