Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-04-05

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Aqhna, 5 Aprilioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 11:00, qa exei synergasia, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgo Alogoskoyfh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, jerw oti qa katadikasete -to exete kanei hdh- th symperifora twn ONNEDitwn. Ekeino poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw, epeidh perase polys kairos apo thn epoxh toy ``Aera na fygei h xolera'' kai apo to ``Den qelw oy'', exei yparjei mia poiotikh metallajh ths neolaias ths ONNED. Ntrepeste gia th neolaia sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, eimai yperhfanos gia th neolaia ths ONNED. Qelw na sas pw oti ta memonwmena ayta epeisodia, poy katadikasthkan, apo ton k. Boylgarakh, apo ton Proedro ths ONNED kai apo oloys mas kai einai ayto poy perigrafei h lejh, o xarakthrismos ``memonwmena''. Den einai epeisodia ta opoia timoyn genikws to neolaiistiko kinhma, ap` opoy kai an proerxontai. Sas qymizw oti molis prin apo ena xrono, egw o idios yphrja qyma, oxi aplws frastikwn epiqesewn, alla epiqesewn swmatikhs bias, sthn Kozanh. Ara, loipon, opws ta katadikasa kai tote poy prohrxonto apo politikh pleyra antiqeth apo th neolaia ths Neas Dhmokratias, etsi ta katadikazw kai twra poy proerxontai apo th merida ekeinh poy den sebetai ton politiko politismo poy exei ferei h epoxh, h Nea Dhmokratia, o idios o Kwstas Karamanlhs.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto idio qema: Shmera erxetai sto fws ths dhmosiothtas kai ena allo yliko apo paromoia sygkentrwsh, paroysia toy k. Zagorith, opoy h DAP ekei pali elege ybristika synqhmata kata toy k. Laliwth me ybreis poy den mporw na anaferw. Qelw na pw, einai telika memonwmena ta peristatika, opws eipate prohgoymenws h einai mia genikeymenh diaqesh ths DAP poy ekfrazetai otan einai prwtoklasata stelexh mprosta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, giati qa htan adiko na to xrhsimopoihsoyme gia opoiadhpote neolaia ayto, gia opoiodhpote foithtiko kinhma. Egw qewrw memonwmena ta peristatika, opws epanalambanw, memonwmena qewrhsa ta peristatika twn eis baros moy epiqesewn molis prin apo ena xrono stis foithtikes ekloges.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epanelqw sto qema ayto, giati einai poly shmantiko gia thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias mas. Kai qelw na sas rwthsw, ean telika yparxei kentrikh grammh, epikoinwniakh kai politikh, gia na yparxoyn ayta ta synqhmata. To rwtaw ayto gia enan aplo logo, dioti prin apo ena xrono, o idios egw sas eixa enhmerwsei ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy oti paromoia ybristika logia eixe xrhsimopoihsei se dhmosia emfanish ths h syzygos sas k. Zaxarea, pernwntas genees dekatesseris anqrwpoys poy eixan kanei kapoies energeies enantion sas, erwthseis h diafora alla pragmata. Ara, loipon, yparxei mia synexeia: DAP me ton k. Zagorith, DAP me ton k. Boylgarakh, apo thn pleyra toy stenoy oikogeneiakoy sas periballon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Periballontos.

BLAXOS: Nai, periballontos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Epitrepetai h oxi sthn Ellada na kykloforoyn farmaka poy den exoyn tis prodiagrafes ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An me rwtate gia@

SPYRAKH: Gia to epimaxo arqro sto nomosxedio to opoio yperaspisthke o k. Kaklamanhs sthn Epitroph kai gia thn energeia ths aposbeshs apo ton k. Abramopoylo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To sygkekrimeno qema syzhthqhke eparkws sth Boylh. Einai poly eidiko to qema. Mporw na sas to ejhghsw, opws moy to ejhghsan ki emena apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio. Afora farmaka twn opoiwn exei teleiwsei h xronikh periodos opoy to dikaiwma ths paraskeyhs toys ginetai mono apo anhkei mono se mia etaireia kai mporei na ginei kataskeyastoyn kai apo alles etaireies. Ayta ta farmaka diatiqentai se xwres ektos Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. H sygkekrimenh ryqmish -h opoia telikws kai den perase- aforoyse ektaktes periptwseis wste na mporoyn ayta ta farmaka na diatiqentai kai se xwres entos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Etsi, egine h syzhthsh xqes kai apofasisthke diaforetika. H syzhthsh ayth egine kai sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs. Epishs, o k. Kaklamanhs topoqethqhke dhmosia gia to qema kai shmera to prwi. To zhthma den einai meizon, einai mikrhs shmasias se sxesh me ayth poy orismenoi prospaqoyn na toy apodwsoyn. Qa meinw se ekeina ta shmeia, ta opoia epanelabe o prwhn ypoyrgos Ygeias shmera, legontas -kai se ayto symfwnei kai o nyn ypoyrgos Ygeias, symfwnei h kybernhsh- oti oi basikoi ajones toy nomosxedioy gia th nea farmakeytikh politikh htan treis: Prwton, h katarghsh ths listas, deyteron, h epistrofh xrhmatwn apo tis farmakeytikes etaireies sta asfalistika tameia kai triton, h patajh ths grafeiokratias prokeimenoy na exoyn eykoloterh prosbash oi polites se opoiodhpote farmako. Kai oi treis aytes basikes kateyqynseis -ajones toy nomosxedioy paramenoyn analloiwtoi kai chfizontai.

SPYRAKH: Adikws, loipon, o Typos diakrinei ena neo epeisodio entashs stis sxeseis anamesa ston nyn kai ton prwhn ypoyrgo Ygeias; Dedomenoy oti o prwhn ypoyrgos Ygeias yperaspisthke to nomosxedio sto synolo toy, symperilambanomenhs kai ths epimaxhs diatajhs kai o nyn Ypoyrgos Ygeias apesyre th sygkekrimenh diatajh, katopin piesews ths antipoliteyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn epimenete, sas diabasa apospasma twn dhlwsewn toy prwhn Ypoyrgoy Ygeias. Exei apanthqei, dhladh, to erwthma sas.

XIWTHS: Hqela na rwthsw, para th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Polydwra, an h kybernhsh ereynhse kapws parapanw gia to pws eftase sth dhmosiothta ayth h ypotiqemenh, qa th xarakthriza egw, lista twn dhmosiografwn poy ypotiqetai oti parakoloyqoyse h EYP.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den to gnwrizw. Antilambaneste oti me thn ypoqesh asxoleitai h ADAE, asxoleitai h Dikaiosynh, sthn opoia kai esteile to qema o k. Polydwras.

XIWTHS: Eseis eixate kapoia epikoinwnia me aytes tis arxes, me thn ADAE h me kapoia allh, etsi wste na ejakribwsoyme kai telikws, pws eftase sth dhmosiothta ayth h lista. Giati h kybernhsh eixe topoqethqei gia to an einai alhqinh h oxi, alla nomizw oti einai ejisoy endiaferon kai to erwthma, pws eftase sth dhmosiothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti ola ayta qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno ths ereynas poy qa kanei h Dikaiosynh kai qa exoyme apanthseis.

KAKALHS: Na epanelqw sto prwto qema: Pisteyete oti den exoyn eyqynh oi hgesies twn dyo megalwn kommatwn gia to epipedo podosfairopoihshs ths politikhs zwhs kai antiparaqeshs, h opoia metaferetai kai ephreazei kai to epipedo ths antiparaqeshs stis politikes neolaies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy zhtate na kanw mia topoqethsh genikeymenoy politikoy periexomenoy gia ejeidikeymeno qema. An prospaqeite na genikeysete to qema, isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy. An milame gia to ejeidikeymeno qema, exw dwsei apanthsh kai sto ejeidikeymeno.

KAKALHS: Ma einai apanwta ta epeisodia kai gi` ayto lew oti prepei na yparxei mia genikoterh politikh kalych.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyoyn oi apanthseis poy exw dwsei mexri twra.

BLAXOS: Maqame xqes apo to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio oti den einai armodio na elegjei thn AGB. Apo thn pleyra toy Ypoyrgeioy den yphrxe kanenas elegxos, oyte epi PASOK oyte twra, ara exoyme mia etaireia poy legetai AGB, h opoia kaqorizei poy qa pane ta xrhmata, h opoia kaqorizei, an enas politikos qa anebei h qa pesei, an enas dhmosiografos parei ayjhsh h xasei th doyleia toy kai h opoia leitoyrgei anejelegkta se ayth th xwra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy qetete me diaforetiko tropo to idio erwthma epi treis hmeres. Exw hdh apanthsei. H kybernhsh, edw kai para poly kairo -to epanalambanw gia na mhn qewrhqei oti ypekfeygw na apanthsw, giati den nomizw oti exei allh skopimothta, xqes ta eipame, proxqes ta eipame, as dextw oti h epanalhch, mhthr maqhsews, en prokeimenw- monh kai prwth, milwntas gia ellipes plaisio dhlwse dhmosiws, sto dialogo o opoios organwqhke apo tis Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs, oti protiqetai na allajei to qesmiko plaisio kai na orisei toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys poy den yparxoyn mexri twra.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qewrhtikws mas ta eipate kai xqes kai proxqes panw se ayto to qema. Yparxei, omws, mia eidopoios diafora. O k. Laskaridhs eipe oti yparxei nomiko problhma gia to kata poson h AGB ypagetai stis etaireies poy dikaioyntai na einai katoxyrwmenes sto ypoyrgeio Typoy. Eseis desmeyeste na mas peite thn apoch sas; Eseis kalws kanate kai to steilate sto Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys kai rwtate na apofanqei ti prepei na ginei. H dikh sas h ypeyqynh topoqethsh ws armodioy ypoyrgoy poia einai h desmeyeste na mas to peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai apolytws ypeyqyno to na rwta o armodios ypoyrgos to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys, wste na exei emperistatwmenh nomikh apoch.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Peran aytoy, einai mia diadikasia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai aplws mia diadikasia. Milame gia ena qema poy exei nomikh bash sthn opoia, opws gnwrizete, to kratos exei orisei to Nomiko Symboylio ws symboylo toy, edw kai para polles dekaeties. Ara, loipon, to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys qa dwsei thn ermhneia toy nomoy kai apo ekei kai pera o armodios ypoyrgos ofeilei na akoloyqhsei h na mhn akoloyqhsei thn ermhneia toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys. En prokeimenw, exw dhlwsei oti qa akoloyqhsw kai qa kanw apodekth thn eishghsh toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis ws armodios ypoyrgos kai ws ekfrasths ths kybernhshs ston ejeidikeymeno ayto tomea kai basei twn programmatikwn dhlwsewn ths kybernhshs kai toy kybernhtikoy programmatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, poia topoqethsh exete; Poio einai to orama sas; Poies einai oi prodiagrafes poy prepei na balete ws kybernhsh kai ws armodios ypoyrgos sto sygkekrimeno qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean ennoeite gia to sygkekrimeno qema -gia na katalabw, giati isws den to exw katalabei kai den qelw na sas adikhsw- ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias, sas to anefera. Ean milate genikws gia tis metrhseis, epishs anefera oti h kybernhsh exei milhsei gia keno se o,ti afora toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys, exei proteinei oloklhro montelo. Dhladh, h dikh moy topoqethsh den egine edw gia prwth fora, proxqes, xqes h shmera. Exei ginei edw kai para polloys mhnes me sygkekrimeno montelo, to opoio, en pollois, exei ginei qetika apodekto apo toys foreis poy meteixan se ekeino to dhmosio dialogo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ara, perimenete to prasino fws mono apo to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. To men ena poy exei na kanei me th sygkekrimenh etaireia sth sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh: Ean to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys pei oti kakws einai eggegrammenh sto mhtrwo kai prepei na diagrafei, qa akoloyqhsw ayth thn eishghsh. Kai to allo poy exei na kanei me th qesmoqethsh elegktikwn mhxanismwn. Einai oi protaseis poy exoyn ginei dhmosiws. Exw kalesei ta kommata se mia akomh diaboyleysh. Nomizw oti h synanthsh einai gia thn erxomenh Deytera. Qymizw oti apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs eixan erqei sthn prwth syzhthsh ekproswpoi toy PASOK kai toy SYN. To KKE eixe steilei epistolh, legontas oti den metexei se ayto to dialogo kai oti qa pei tis apoceis toy sth Boylh. Exw, loipon, kalesei ta kommata se mia deyterh synanthsh. Oi syzhthseis me toys foreis exoyn oloklhrwqei. Exw steilei hdh epistolh ston Proedro ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias gia na enhmerwsw kai thn Epitroph, opws eixa desmeyqei epi toy qematos dhmosiws apo ton Dekembrio kai proxwroyme sthn katartish toy nomosxedioy.

KYRITSHS: Sta telh ths perasmenhs ebdomadas, sth syxnothta poy katalambane o thleoptikos staqmos SEVEN, arxise na ekpempei enas thleoptikos staqmos ``SKAI'' kai o feromenos ws idiokthths toy k. Alafoyzos dhlwse oti protiqetai na agorasei th syxnothta k.t.l. Epeidh, ej oswn gnwrizw, o staqmos ``SEVEN'' katexetai se megalo baqmo apo thn Agrotikh Trapeza, ara einai ypo ton elegxo toy kratoys kata kapoio tropo, eseis eiste armodios ypoyrgos kai enocei ths adeiodothshs, qelw na sas rwthsw ean einai synnomes oles aytes oi dosolhcies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An gnwrizw swsta to qema, einai ypoqhkeymeno ena pososto metoxwn sthn Agrotikh Trapeza ths Elladas. Alla, den gnwrizw. Den hsastan xqes poy to syzhthsame to qema; Giati apanthsa xqes, se sxesh me tis armodiothtes kai to pws ginetai h metabibash mias tetoias etaireias, poios einai armodios k.o.k.

KYRITSHS: Qewreite logiko ligo prin apo tis adeiodothseis na ginontai tetoioy eidoys allages se ena kaqestws asafes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy zhtate na krinw ean einai logiko h paralogo; Den einai ayth h qesh moy, oyte o rolos moy. Se o,ti afora thn kybernhsh ws ekproswpos ths, o rolos moy einai na apantw se erwthseis poy ginontai sto press-room gia logariasmo ths kybernhshs. Ara, loipon, to an einai logiko kati h den einai, den qa to krinw egw. Emena ayto poy me apasxolei einai ean einai nomimo h oxi, sto baqmo poy oi armodiothtes moy epitrepoyn na kanw ton elegxo. Gnwrizete oti yparxei ena systhma poy leitoyrgei sth Dhmokratia mas. Se o,ti afora ton tomea twn MME, exw topoqethqei dhmosiws, polles fores, gia to ti qewroyme oti eprepe na eixe ginei kai to ti prepei na ginei. Se o,ti afora tis armodiothtes enos ekastoy, ofeilw na sebastw tis armodiothtes olwn twn anejarthtwn arxwn, opws einai to ESR h allwn arxwn poy asxoloyntai me ta qemata.

KYRITSHS: Eseis parenebete se ayth thn istoria, opws@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa xqes. Den qa epanelqw.

KYRITSHS: Sas eixa rwthsei, alla den hsastan etoimos se ekeinh th fash, alla twra poy exei ftasei o kompos sto xteni, einai diateqeimenh h kybernhsh na symchfisei ta xreh ths pros thn Olympiakh, prokeimenoy na mhn kleisei h etaireia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``na symchfisei h kybernhsh ta xreh ths'';

KYRITSHS: Ta xrhmata poy xrwsta to Dhmosio sthn Olympiakh kai ta opoia yperbainoyn ta xrhmata poy kaleitai h Olympiakh na epistrecei sto ellhniko Dhmosio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ayto poy lete. Den qymamai thn erwthsh sas poy moy eixate kanei. Ekeino poy exw na sas pw einai oti proxwra mia diadikasia gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia gia thn opoia exw milhsei kai egw kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi. Perimenoyme. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KYRITSHS: Den anagnwrizete oti to kratos xrwsta sthn Olympiakh xrhmata kai malista perissotera apo ayta poy h Olympiakh kaleitai na epistrecei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia syzhthsh, opws gnwrizete, se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai ayth ginetai kai sto Kollegio twn Epitropwn peri toy an yphrxan paranomes enisxyseis apo to ellhniko Dhmosio pros thn Olympiakh kai an h Olympiakh prepei na epistrecei aytes tis enisxyseis pros to ellhniko Dhmosio.

KYRITSHS: Bebaiws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anefera, loipon, kai xqes oti qa perimenoyme thn apofash toy Kollegioy twn Epitropwn kai o armodios ypoyrgos qa probei se dhlwseis gia to ti qa ginei apo edw kai pera. Se kaqe periptwsh, gia thn Olympiakh isxyoyn osa exw pei: Ginontai syzhthseis gia na oloklhrwqei aisiws ayth h ypoqesh. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KYRITSHS: Ayto poy moy lete einai to skelos poy afora thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Egw erwtw gia to eswteriko skelos poy afora xreh dhladh pros thn O.A., me ta opoia den exei na kanei se kati h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Aplws, ean ta eixe ayta ta xrhmata h O.A. den qa eixe problhma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na sas pw kati perissotero. Qa sas parakalesw -to exw pei polles fores kai einai shmantiko- otan milame gia ejeidikeymena qemata, syntaktes yparxoyn, reportaz yparxei, ypoyrgoi gia ta armodia qemata yparxoyn. Den mporw na apantw se zhthmata poy den einai hssonos shmasias, wstoso, se sxesh me th basikh politikh enhmerwsh kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy, apoteloyn perifereiaka qemata.

KYRITSHS: Sas erwtw, giati o Prwqypoyrgos eixe anoijei ayto to qema sth synenteyjh toy sth DEQ, to Septembrio, sth Qessalonikh. Den to eixe pei o k. Liaphs. Ara, to qewrw basiko kommati ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean den sas ikanopoiei h apanthsh moy, mporeite na apeyqynqeite sto antistoixo ypoyrgeio h na sas proskomisw thn apanthsh, ean den qelete na to kanete eseis.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Eipate prin, sxetika me thn AGB, oti diapistwsate oti yphrxe ellipes plaisio k.lp. Na rwthsw, poia htan h aformh poy ereynhsate profanws gia na deite oti yparxei ellipes nomiko plaisio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exw epanalabei kai alles fores. To qema genikotera toy ereynhtikoy plaisioy exei teqei apo tote poy hmastan sthn antipoliteysh. H dikh moy qesh ws politika ypeyqynoy ypoyrgoy gia to xwro twn MME einai diatypwmenh edw kai para polloys mhnes, blepontas, gnwrizontas ta kena poy yparxoyn. Ean melethsei kapoios to nomiko mas systhma, ean dei gia paradeigma oti sxedon 20 xronia meta thn ``anoijh ths idiwtikhs radiofwnias'', opws onomasthke tote, ths mh kratikhs radiofwnias kai peripoy 17 xronia meta thn idiwtikh thleorash, oi adeiodothseis exoyn meinei pisw. To topio einai domhmeno entelws anarxa, den xreiazetai kai poly gia na diapistwseis ta problhmata.

IWANNOY: Na epanelqw sto qema ths listas twn dhmosiografwn, poy ferontai na parakoloyqoyntan apo thn EYP. Yparxei mia anakoinwsh ths ESHEA, h opoia oysiastika leei oti o k. Polydwras prospaqei na ypagoreysei th grammh sth dikaiosynh kai oti h dhlwsh toy einai proxeirh, abasanisth k.lp. Anaferetai sta peri anypostatwn gia th sygkekrimenh lista. Pisteyetai oti biasthke o k. Polydwras na probei se ayto to symperasma, dhladh, oti einai anypostata ta osa anagrafontai se ayth th lista;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Polydwras antedrase orqotata.

KAKALHS: O k. Polydwras leei syxna kai to epanelabe kai xqes oti h EYP den exei eyqynes gia tis parakoloyqhseis giati o ejoplismos ths einai aparxaiwmenos kai den exei tetoies dynatothtes. Ean h EYP den mporei na kanei tetoies parakoloyqhseis, poios kanei tis nomimes parakoloyqhseis, poy entelletai apo to nomo na kanei. Pws mporei na kanei tis nomimes kai den mporei na kanei tis paranomes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H erwthsh sas sygxeei ta pragmata.

KAKALHS: Oson afora tis texnikes dynatothtes rwtw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei h nomimothta twn akroasewn, h opoia elegxetai apo ton armodio eisaggelea kai ayto einai to shmeio mexri to opoio orqws exei fqasei o k. Polydwras kai exw fqasei ki egw. Apo ekei kai pera moy lete kati, to opoio oydeis mporei na epikalestei sta sobara, para mono eikotologwntas. Ki egw den qa eikotologhsw se ayth thn aiqoysa.

SIDERHS: Ean isxyei ayto poy leei o synadelfos gia ta xreh toy kratoys pros thn O.A. jefeygei apo to klimakio, apo to epipedo toy k. Liaph kai fqanei sto epipedo toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Mhpws eseis qa mporoysate na mas peite na zhthsete na diereynhqei apo ton k. Liaph, ean ontws to kratos xrwsta perissotera apo ayta poy exei dwsei sthn O.A. Den einai apotelesma politikhs lyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kai prin se synadelfo sas, oti mporei na apeyqynqei sto armodio ypoyrgeio. Giati epanerxeste; Ean den qelete, na kanw egw th doyleia sas kai na ferw mia apanthsh apo ton armodio ypoyrgo.

SIDERHS: Ayto sas zhthsame.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To eipa ayto, giati me janarwtate; Den katalabainw.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ta dyo teleytaia 24wra, sthn Amerikh egine mia spoydaia synanthsh Ellhnoamerikanwn kai Kypriwn paragontwn me paragontes ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs, oi opoioi syzhthsan to Kypriako. Gia prwth fora oi Amerikanoi paragontes sthn oysia zhthsan sygnwmh giati den prospaqhsan toys teleytaioys 15 mhnes na prowqhsoyn lysh sto Kypriako. Dierwtwmai, ean pisteyete oti allazei h amerikanikh politikh gia to Kypriako kai ean ayto afora thn prosfath episkech ths k. Mpakogiannh stis HPA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prospaqeia ths ellhnikhs kai ths kypriakhs kybernhshs -poy opws gnwrizete exoyn agasth kai apolyth synergasia- einai to qema na exei to dieqnh xarakthra poy toy armozei, wste na breqei, epiteloys, h dikaih kai biwsimh lysh. Kaqe energeia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh einai apolytws qetikh.

XIWTHS: Xqes, opws blepw ston Typo, kindyneysan na sygkroystoyn dyo aeroskafh ena ths O.A. kai ena ths Polemikhs Aeroporias. Apo tis mexri twra ejhghseis poy exoyn doqei, den exw katalabei poios eftaige. Exw thn entypwsh oti einai arketa shmantiko na apanthsoyme sto erwthma: Poios eftaige, dioti eytyxws apopemfqhke h tragwdia. Alla kapoios eftaige.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diejagetai ereyna. Ta armodia ypoyrgeia qa apanthsoyn.

XIWTHS: Apo ta prwta stoixeia ths ereynas den mporeite na mas dwsete kapoia perissotera stoixeia gia to poios eftaige;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Diejagetai ereyna kai qa doqei apanthsh apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia h apo Geniko Epiteleio Aeroporias kai apo thn Yphresia Politikhs Aeroporias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate dyo-treis fores oti yparxei ayto to ellipes nomiko plaisio kai apeyqynqhkate sto Nomiko Symboylio toy kratoys. Efoson einai ellipes, ti na sas apanthsei to Nomiko Symboylio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite h egw den ta lew kala h eseis den to katalabate kala. Sygxeete dyo diaforetika pragmata: Gia to Nomiko Symboylio toy kratoys erwthqhka epi poly sygkekrimenoy, to opoio afora mia etaireia poy einai eggegrammenh sto mhtrwo. To ellipes plaisio afora ton elegxo ths opoias etaireias metrhsewn. Gia ton elegxo loipon ayto, ton opoio prepei na epifylassei se mia dhmokratia h politeia, h kybernhsh exei proteinei enan sygkekrimeno plaisio: Thn idrysh ths astikhs mh kerdoskopikoy xarakthra etaireias, sthn opoia anaferqhka polles fores toys teleytaioys mhnes. Ara, loipon, einai dyo diaforetika pragmata, poy den emplekontai to ena me to allo.

GIALICOY: Prwtaqlhtria sthn kakodioikhsh einai h Topikh Aytodioikhsh, symfwna me ethsia ekqesh toy Synhgoroy toy Polith, poy doqhke prosfata sth dhmosiothta, me kyria aitia thn elliph stelexwsh, ton ellipestato elegxo twn apofasewn twn dhmotikwn symboyliwn kai dhmarxiakwn epitropwn; Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H prospaqeia pros to kalytero prepei na ginetai apo oloys kai apo toys topikoys arxontes kai apo ta dioikhtika stelexh ths kentrikhs kybernhshs. H ekqesh toy Synhgoroy toy Polith ofeilei na eyaisqhtopoihsei na afypnisei oloys ekeinoys poy perilambanei se zhthmata kakodioikhshs, na ginoyn kalyteroi, na beltiwsoyn thn apodosh twn Organismwn Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, wste na lysoyn ta problhmata. Ypo ayth thn ennoia, h ekqesh toy Synhgoroy toy Polith, kaqe xrono xtypa ena kampanaki poly shmantiko gia oloys.

BLAXOS: Eipate gia ellipes plaisio se o,ti afora ton elegxo ths AGB. Ennoeite oti ayto egine skopimws apo thn politikh hgesia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den ennow tipote perissotero apo ayto to opoio lew. Lew oti ayth h kybernhsh exei diapistwsei oti einai ellipes to plaisio. Malista thn prwth hmera -epeidh qa hqela na ta qymaste ligo ta pragmata- eixa kanei kai thn antistijh se sxesh me ton elegxo twn kykloforiwn twn efhmeridwn. Giati kai ayto einai ena zhthma. Gia tis kyklofories twn efhmeridwn, gia th diakinhsh twn efhmeridwn, ti kykloforia exei ena entypo k.o.k. Kai eixa pei oti ekei epi th basei nomoy toy 1938, mporei to prwhn Ypoyrgeio Typoy, shmera Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs na kanoyn kapoion elegxo. Se o,ti afora tis etaireies metrhsewn koinhs gnwmhs kai eidika tis etaireies thleqeashs, yphrxe ayto to keno, to opoio exoyme diapistwsei.

BLAXOS: Pantws, ean einai skopimh h elleich plaisioy elegxoy, yparxei kai nomos peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn, poy qa mporoyse kapoios na kinhsei. Ara einai ena erwthma, to opoio qa prepei na apanthsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poio einai to erwthma poy prepei na apanthsw; Ean einai skopimh apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh h elleich lete;

BLAXOS: E, bebaia. Prepei na breite ean htan skopimh h istoria, to oti einai anejelegkth, oti yparxei nomoqetiko keno kai leitoyrgei anejelegkth mia etaireia h opoia moirazei tosa polla xrhmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa probw se kanena sxolio gia thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Yparxoyn, jerete, zhthmata sthn poreia -kai ayto to anejarthtopoiw apo thn opoia AGB- qemata ta opoia sthn poreia anaptyssontai, anafyontai analoga me tis ejelijeis, thn texnologia k.o.k. Den to ejartw me to sygkekrimeno qema. Den mporw na gnwrizw pws skefthke o nomoqeths kai ekane th ryqmish poy ekane, den katakrinw th ryqmish. Lew omws oti se ayth th ryqmish xreiazetai kati epipleon. Kai ayto to kati epipleon erxetai kai h zwh na to apodeijei, ws prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs, oti einai orqo.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes to brady, sto Synedrio toy Economist, eipe oti h antagwnistikothta ths oikonomias mas, den mporei na basizetai sto xamhlo ergatiko kostos. Mporeite na mas anaferete ena klado h estw mia epixeirhsh, poy na mh sthrizei thn antagwnistikothta ths kyriws, ean oxi apokleistika, sth meiwsh toy ergatikoy kostoys; Kai epipleon h syntagh ths kybernhshs stis DEKO poia einai; Den einai h meiwsh twn elleimmatwn metaferontas to problhma stis plates twn ergazomenwn me th meiwsh toy ergatikoy kostoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ton tropo leitoyrgias twn epixeirhsewn, den qa kanw kapoio sxolio. Qa qymisw mono oti o Prwqypoyrgos eipe prin apo liges ebdomades sth Boylh, oti qa prepei h dianomh twn kerdwn na ginetai se mia logikh sthn opoia qa symperilambanetai bebaiws aytos, o ergazomenos -ws ontothta dhladh o ergazomenos, oxi ws mia monada-poy enisxyei thn kalh leitoyrgia ths epixeirhshs, wste na thn kanei antagwnistikoterh.

KAKALHS: Eidate na lambanetai ypoch apo tis epixeirhseis, ayth h protroph toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ena pososto, nai.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Parathrw, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti exete filodojies kai me tis energeies poy kanete, qelete na beltiwsete thn katastash sta MME kai genika sto xwro toy Typoy. Eseis shmera eiste eyxaristhmenos apo to epipedo twn thleoptikwn paragwgwn poy proballontai kai diapaidagwgoyn thn ellhnikh koinwnia; Giati, blepw, parathrw oti lambanete ypoch sas mono ta oikonomotexnika stoixeia poy sxetizontai me to qema kai -epitrecte moy na to pw- adiaforeite kai gia to oysiastiko paragomeno ergo apo toys thleoptikoys staqmoys oi opoioi leitoyrgoyn xwris adeia, leitoyrgoyn kanontas xrhsh dhmosioy agaqoy, poy einai oi syxnothtes kai basei toy Syntagmatos den exoyn th sxetikh eleyqerotypia poy exoyn oi efhmerides. Ti metra qa labete eseis, gia na beltiwsete ayto to epipedo; Ektos ean eisaste eyxaristhmenos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa hqela na sas prosbalw, alla einai profanes oti den exete diabasei tipote apo osa exw pei sto dhmosio dialogo gia thn allagh sta MME. Ean to eixate diabasei, qa blepate mia ektenestath anafora moy sto arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos, sto opoio emmesws anaferqhkate@

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epeidh to diabasa, gi` ayto sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den to diabasate k. Papadopoyle. Giati ean to diabazate, qa blepate ta krithria, ta moria ta opoia didontai se poiotikoy eidoys ekpompes, se poiotikh thleorash k.o.k. Ara loipon, ean to eixate diabasei, den qa moy kanate thn erwthsh. Ean to exete diabasei kai moy kanete thn erwthsh oti den endiaferomai kai apajiw, tote mallon thn kanete gia na ypotimhsete emena. Sas lew loipon kai pali oti thn apoch moy thn exw diatypwsei dhmosiws, sto dhmosio dialogo. Einai mia makra omilia thn opoia eixa kanei. Krathse panw apo 60 lepta, 1 wra kai 10 lepta nomizw. Exei perilabei para polla shmeia. Qa sas parakalesw, deite to sygkekrimeno kommati kai qa diapistwsete oti oxi aplws thn exw perilabei, alla kai me poly perissoteres leptomereies ap` oti mporei na fantazeste diatypwnontas thn erwthsh poy diatypwsate.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qewrhtikws. Se epipedo praktiko pws qa ylopoihqei ayto; Ayto rwthsa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean ennoeite oti h politeia qa orisei to programma enos thleoptikoy staqmoy, qa sas pw oti den einai aytos o rolos ths Politeias. Kaqe staqmos exei arxisyntaktes, dhmosiografoys, dieyqyntes programmatos k.o.k.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Exei asfalistikes dikleides;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aytes tis asfalistikes dikleides, diabaste thn omilia kai qa deite oti tis exw perilabei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den moy apantate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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