Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-04-06

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Aqhna, 6 Aprilioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 11.00, qa milhsei sthn Eqnikh Syndiaskech ths Neas Dhmokratias sto stadio Eirhnhs kai Filias, me qema thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh.

Me aformh shmerina dhmosieymata ston Typo, qa hqela na pw ta ejhs:

H efhmerida ``Eleyqeros Typos'' dhmosieyei afisa poy ferei thn ypografh ths PASP, dhladh ths Neolaias toy PASOK. H afisa anaferetai stis foithtikes ekloges stis 5 Aprilioy. To synqhma ths einai ``5 Aprilh epilegw PASP, giati ola mporoyn na symboyn''. Katw apo to synqhma ayto apeikonizontai oi gnwstoi didymoi pyrgoi ths Neas Yorkhs poy katerreysan ton Septembrio toy 2001 sth gnwsth pagkosmiws tromokratikh epiqesh poy kostise th zwh se xiliades polites -metajy aytwn kai ellhnoamerikanwn- kai sygklonise, oloys toys exontes dhmokratikh eyaisqhsia polites, se olo ton kosmo.

Oloi qymoyntai oti oi didymoi pyrgoi den katerreysan monoi toys, alla afoy epesan panw toys dyo aeroskafh poy prohgoymenws eixan katalabei aeropeirates. Sthn afisa ths PASP yparxei kai aeroplano etoimo na pesei h na epiteqei, kaqws prokeitai peri polemikoy aeroskafoys, stoys didymoys pyrgoys. Oi syneirmoi einai profaneis kai aparadektoi. Proballoyn thn tromokratia, aseboyn sta qymata twn apantaxoy ston kosmo tromokratikwn energeiwn.

H xwra mas exei plhrwsei me aima tromokratikes energeies. Oloi oi dhmokratika eyaisqhtoi polites katadikazoyn tetoies aparadektes energeies, opws h afisa ths Neolaias toy PASOK. Kaloyme to PASOK kai ton Proedro toy na katadikasei shmera thn aparadekth kai antidhmokratikh energeia ths Neolaias toy. To PASOK ofeilei na apodokimasei to periexomeno ths afisas, na zhthsei apo th Neolaia toy na thn katastrecei kai me dhmosia anakoinwsh ths na zhthsei sygnwmh gi` ayth thn aprepeia.

Sas deixnw thn afisa, h opoia apeikonizei toys didymoys pyrgoys me mple xrwma, exontas epanw dyo synqhmata, dyo anafores: ``Idiwtika panepisthmia'', ``noqeia, diafaneia'' kai me prasino xrwma to aeroskafos me o,ti symbolismo mporei na exei ayth h aparadekth energeia.

Qelw na pisteyw oti den einai afisa poy exei tyxei ths egkrishs toy PASOK. Se kaqe periptwsh, perimenw na parei qesh to PASOK, entos ths hmeras.

Sto shmerino fyllo ths efhmeridas ``XWRA'' diatypwnetai o isxyrismos oti apo emena h apo kapoio allo proswpo ek meroys moy askhqhkan pieseis ston thleoptiko staqmo ALPHA. Me aformh aytoys toys abasimoys kai ceydeis, se o,ti me afora, isxyrismoys, esteila shmera ston Proedro kai Dieyqynonta Symboylo toy ALPHA k. Niko Xatzhnikolaoy, thn akoloyqh epistolh: ``Agaphte k. Xatzhnikolaoy, oxi xwris ekplhjh einai h alhqeia, diabasa shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``XWRA'', sto opoio moy apodidetai oti askw poikiles pieseis pros ton thleoptiko staqmo ALPHA, eite egw o idios, eite mesw tritoy mh katonomazomenoy proswpoy poy anaferetai ws eqnikos diafhmisths. Doqentos toy oti to dhmosieyma epikaleitai to kanali toy opoioy eiste Proedros kai Dieyqynwn Symboylos, doqentos toy oti oi eis baros moy isxyrismoi dhmosieyontai sthn efhmerida ths opoias o ekdoths einai kai basikos synergaths toy ALPHA, doqentos toy oti oi isxyrismoi poy aforoyn to proswpo moy einai pantelws ceydeis, parakalw na gnwstopoihsete dhmosia to ean kapoios tritos kai poios en agnoia moy xrhsimopoihse to onoma moy sthn opoiadhpote synallagh toy me ton ALPHA kai toyto gia na askhsw ola ta nomima dikaiwmata moy''.

Kleinontas ayth thn eisagwgikh moy dhlwsh pros esas, sas lew oti odhghqhka se ayth thn energeia, wste na fanei poios einai aytos poy epixeirei na ekbiasei.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: To dhmosieyma ayto leei kai kati allo: Oti prospaqeite na kleisete kai thn idia thn ``XWRA'' kai na apolyqei o idios o k. Tragkas apo ton ALPHA, an den kanw laqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw steilei mia epistolh ston k. Xatzhnikolaoy. Qewrw aparadekto ton opoiodhpote ypainigmo, thn opoiadhpote eyqeia bolh enantion moy gia tetoioy eidoys energeies poy den qa mporoysa na dianohqw oyte egw, oyte allo melos ayths ths kybernhshs, se sxesh me ton Typo.

SIDERHS: Einai ligo parajenos o symchfismos poy pate na kanete gia thn afisa ths Neolaias PASOK me osa xydaia synebhsan, oxi mono sth Qessalonikh, alla kai sta Giannena, alla einai diko sas qema. Xqes, mas eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei ferei ena neo politiko politismo. Dedomenoy oti exoyme ta dyo gegonota ths Qessalonikhs kai twn Iwanninwn, prin ligo kairo eixame to boyleyth k. Iwannidh na mila ``gia malakynsh toy PASOK'' kai xqes eixame ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfh na leei gia to PASOK, otan apoxwrhse apo th Boylh ``nomizoyn oti brexei otan toys symbainei kati allo'', dyo tina symbainoyn: Eite to mhnyma toy k. Karamanlh gia neo politiko politismo einai asqenes, eite h Nea Dhmokratia einai anepidekth maqhsews. Poio protimate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den ameibeste apo emena. Ameibeste apo to staqmo sas gia na kanete sxolia sto staqmo sas. Sthn aiqoysa ayth na ypoballete erwthmata, an qelete. Oi kriseis sas, ws kriseis eleyqeroy dhmosiografoy, einai kai qa einai pantote sebastes. Se kaqe periptwsh, diafwnw me ta peri symchfismwn poy lete. Qelw na ypenqymisw oti stis anafores poy kanate, jexasate na peite poia htan h antidrash ths kybernhshs. Qelw na epanalabw, gia mia akomh fora, oti ayth h aparadekth energeia, thn opoia anadeiknyei shmera prwtoselido dhmosieyma efhmeridas yparxei shmera@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prin apo dyo hmeres.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @kai prin apo dyo hmeres, endexomenws, opws leei o k. Stamatopoylos. Ayth, loipon, h aparadekth energeia katadikazetai apo oloys toys dhmokratika eyaisqhtoys polites, oi opoioi bebaiws se kamia periptwsh den ypoqalpoyn logikes tromokratias. Perimenoyme kai apo to PASOK na thn katadikasei kai na thn apodokimasei.

SIDERHS: Qewreite politikh ayth h apanthsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh; Nomizoyn oti ``brexei otan toys symbainei kati allo'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei ena qema politikhs oysias se o,ti afora to nomo gia tis metarryqmiseis stis DEKO. H eikona poy exei dwsei h kybernhsh kai to synolo twn ypoyrgwn poy symmetexoyn sth Diypoyrgikh, einai oti o nomos aytos ejantleitai sthn efarmogh ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs. Sas rwtw eyqews, qa yparjoyn allages stoys kanonismoys twn problhmatikwn DEKO mesa sto xronodiagramma poy proypoqetei o nomos h qa meinoyn ola ws exoyn plhn ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws poly swsta eipate, o nomos problepei mia seira apo ryqmiseis. Oi ryqmiseis aytes, opws qelei o nomos, qa ginoyn prajh.

SPYRAKH: Anaferomai eidika stoys kanonismoys twn zhmiogonwn DEKO. Allages ekei qa ginoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw oti o nomos problepei mia seira apo qemata. Ola loipon ta qemata, opws ta problepei o nomos, qa ginoyn prajh.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Yparxei mia epistolh ths Komision gia to basiko metoxo, me aformh thn ypoyrgikh apofash ton Noembrio toy 2005.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei plhroforia oti qa erqei tetoia epistolh. Den exei ftasei sta xeria moy akomh.

SARANTAKOS: Mia dieykrinish: H plhroforia poy lete yparxei se esas apo thn Komision, apo tis Bryjelles;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Plhroforia einai.

SARANTAKOS: Egkyrh, ypoqetw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw kai egw tis plhrofories moy ws palios dhmosiografos.

SARANTAKOS: Epishmh ennow. Den einai dhmosiografikh h phgh. Qelw na pw oti einai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Koinothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epishmws, opws sas eipa, den exw tipota sta xeria moy. Ean exw, qa sas to gnwstopoihsw, opws ekana allwste se olh ayth th diarkeia twn mhnwn poy syzhthqhke to qema me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.

SARANTAKOS: Gnwrizete ean h ONNED h h kybernhsh h o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias exei analabei na brei ta proswpa ekeina ta opoia prwtagwnisthsan sta xydaia synqhmata kata toy Proedroy toy PASOK kai na ta diagracei endexomenws apo th DAP h apo th Neolaia ths Neas Dhmokratias; To rwtw ayto, me aformh mia dhlwsh ths k. Paparhga, xqes, oti ean synebainan ayta, ean legontan ayta apo melh ths KNE qa ta eixe diagracei h idia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw oti o Proedros ths ONNED exei hdh kanei dhlwsh, me thn opoia katadikazei memonwmenes energeies.

SARANTAKOS: Peran toytoy, oyden.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afoy sas eipa den gnwrizw.

KAKALHS: O Proedros toy PASOK, se xqesinh omilia toy, taxqhke yper enos asfalistikoy systhmatos poy na tairiazei stis katastaseis poy exoyme twn synexwn allagwn sthn apasxolhsh kai sthn kinhtikothta ths apasxolhshs. Ayto to plaisio tairiazei me to plaisio toy dialogoy poy jekina h kybernhsh gia to asfalistiko h kai twn allagwn poy qelei h kybernhsh sto asfalistiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite; Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas ``ean tairiazei to plaisio a@ me to plaisio b@'';

KAKALHS: To plaisio poy ebale o Proedros toy PASOK me tis allages poy qelei h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei pei jekaqara kati: Xreiazetai na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata, ta opoia den prepei na afhsoyme na antimetwpisoyn ta paidia mas ayrio. H kybernhsh exei kalesei ta kommata na symmetexoyn se ayth th diadikasia. Ola ayta exoyn eipwqei se dhmosies dhlwseis. Apo ekei kai pera, ta kommata topoqetoyntai analoga me to pws ekeina krinoyn kai ektimoyn.

KAKALHS: O Proedros toy PASOK kanei ena bhma akomh kai bazei ena sygkekrimeno plaisio. H kybernhsh, pws to sxoliazei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw sxolio akoma.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw kat` arxas an eiste enhmeros gia to periexomeno ths kataqeshs toy k. Aggeloy sthn armodia epitroph ths Boylhs, prokeimenoy na kanw mia erwthsh epi ths oysias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw leptomereies.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei ena qema poy exei prokycei, o k. Aggeloy kateqese enwpion ths Epitrophs oti den eixe systhsei kaneis apo thn kybernhsh pros ton k. Korwnia, oti prokeitai gia ena qema ycisths eqnikhs asfaleias, otan aytos anefere to peristatiko twn ypoklopwn. Qelw na rwthsw, ean ayto to epibebaiwnete ws ypoyrgos poy emplekeste sthn ypoqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me thn ekfrash ``emplekeste'', ennoeite th synenteyjh Typoy thn opoia edwsa mazi me toys alloys dyo ypoyrgoys.

SPYRAKH: Bebaiws, se ayto to periorizw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Wraia. Den gnwrizw thn akribh diatypwsh. Mporeite na moy epanalabete ti eipe o k. Aggeloy;

SPYRAKH: O k. Aggeloy eipe oti kaneis apo thn kybernhsh den synesthse ston k. Korwnia na mhn prosfygei sthn ADAE me to epixeirhma oti h ypoqesh einai ycisths eqnikhs asfaleias. Sas ypenqymizw oti o k. Korwnias sthn kataqesh toy enwpion ths Epitrophs eixe pei oti den prosefyge sthn ADAE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti to aithma toy k. Korwnia na synanthsei tote ton Prwqypoyrgo kai etsi synanthse ton k. Aggeloy, htan gia qema ycisths eqnikhs asfaleias. Kata synepeia einai ena epixeirhma, enas xarakthrismos o opoios eixe xrhsimopoihqei hdh apo ton k. Korwnia. Ara den qa xreiazotan h kybernhsh na epishmanei oti to qema poy hrqate na mas peite oti einai ycisths asfaleias, einai ycisths asfaleias. Qa htan mia yperbolh. Se kaqe periptwsh isxyei ayto poy exw pei kai alles fores s` ayth thn aiqoysa, opws to eipan kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Symfwnh me th xqesinh ekqesh ths Dieqnoys Amnhstias, ta aeroskafh ths CIA poy meteferan ypoptoys gia tromokratia, prosgeiwqhkan sthn Aqhna toylaxiston 8 fores. Den jerete tipote akomh h eginan ola nomotypa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema exei apanthqei. Sas qymizw oti exei stalei kai epistolh gia to qema ths Soydas apo ton Proedro toy LAOS k. Karatzaferh ston prwhn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Molybiath. Apo tis ereynes poy eginan tote den qymamai na proekyce kati. Ta exoyme pei pali sto press room. Symfwna me tis shmeiwseis poy exw apo ekeinh thn periodo, se sxetikes erwthseis eixa pei -kai to epanalambanw- oti exoyn thrhqei gia tis dieleyseis olwn twn aeroskafwn oloi oi kanones enaerias kykloforias poy throyntai dieqnws.

MIXAHL: Diabazoyme kai plhroforoymaste oti h kybernhsh etoimazetai na kanei mia ejormhsh sthn perifereia kai se olh thn ellhnikh koinwnia me periodeies twn kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, proejarxontos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, arxhs genomenhs apo to epomeno Sabbatokyriako gia na apokalycei ta cemata poy mexri twra h antipoliteysh proballei. Mporeite na mas peite, poia mporei na einai ayta ta cemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai para polla. Qa teleiwsoyme to brady ama arxisoyme na ta anaferoyme.

MIXAHL: Endeiktika, gia na katalaboyme ti eidoys cemata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sas dwsw ena paradeigma. Qymhqeite: Ti leei h antipoliteysh gia to LAFKA; Leei oti den lysame to qema toy LAFKA. Ti leei h antipoliteysh gia ta panwtokia; Leei oti den lyqhke to qema twn panwtokiwn. Exw erqei me sygkekrimena stoixeia. Gia to LAFKA qewrw oti oyte kan xreiazetai na yparjei apanthsh, afoy o Prwqypoyrgos, oxi aplws elyse to qema, alla frontise didontas odhgies sta armodia ypoyrgeia gia to poy prepei na doqoyn kai xrhmata se baqos xronoy, dhladh anadromika. Gia ta panwtokia molis thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, edwsa mia seira apo stoixeia gia ta pososta twn agrotwn poy exoyn wfelhqei apo th ryqmish poy ekane h kybernhsh. Yparxoyn kai para polla alla qemata. Mporw na sas promhqeysw me toys katalogoys ekeinoys toys opoioys qa xrhsimopoihsoyn, eimai bebaios, oloi oi ypoyrgoi. Se kaqe ypoyrgeio, se kaqe tomea yparxoyn qemata.

MIXAHL: Giati exei arghsei omws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sas pw ena allo paradeigma, etsi poly apla, to opoio qa to katanohsoyme oloi. Diabazw kata kairoys oti systhqhkan nea nomika proswpa, nees grammateies. Gnwrizete oti metajy twn grammateiwn poy leei to PASOK oti systhqhkan kai einai kainoyrgies ennoei th Grammateia Epikoinwnias kai th Grammateia Enhmerwshs; Grammateies poy yphrxan prohgoymenws mesa sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy. To Ypoyrgeio Typoy katarghqhke. Yparxoyn mono oi dyo grammateies kai thn yparjh ayth twn hdh yfistamenwn grammateiwn, thn anaferei to PASOK ws systash newn grammateiwn. Dhladh mikra h megala qemata ta parapoiei, prospaqwntas na dhmioyrghsei entelws ceydeis entypwseis ston kosmo.

MIXAHL: Kata synepeia, na symperanw, oti toys kathgoreite gia strecodikia kai gia paraplanhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, to exw kanei polles fores.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla gia to LAFKA, akoma den exoyn parei tipote oi syntajioyxoi. Symfwna me th ryqmish ths kybernhshs, sto deytero ejamhno toy 2006 kai gia pente doseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia ta anadromika.

KAKALHS: Nai, gia ta anadromika. Alla den exoyn parei tipote mexri twra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na qymhqoyme ti ginotan me to LAFKA. Na qymhqoyme ekeines tis parataseis poy edine @

KAKALHS: Den xreiazetai. Jeroyme poly kala.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na qymhqoyme ekeines tis parataseis poy edine h kybernhsh toy PASOK, me teleytaia ligo prin tis ekloges, gia akomh dyo h tria xronia, an qymamai kala. Ayth loipon htan apofash toy PASOK, h opoia talaipwroyse akoma ekeinoys toys polites poy apo to 1997 -an den me apata h mnhmh moy- eprepe na eixan stamathsei na plhrwnoyn eisfora yper toy LAFKA. Meta apo polla xronia kybernhsewn toy PASOK, ayth h kybernhsh hrqe kai elyse to problhma xwris na exei desmeytei proeklogika. Ryqmizei etsi wste na paroyn sta xeria toys oi syntajioyxoi xrhmata anadromikwn. Kai erxetai to PASOK na pei ayta poy leei.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh exei pei oti tis epomenes hmeres, otan pia qa epitrapei kai h typikh syntagmatikh proqesmia, qa anakoinwsete tis protaseis sas gia th syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean mesa se ayto to paketo twn protasewn, yparxei proqesh na yparxei kai protash gia thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw kati perissotero. To paketo twn protasewn poy qa katateqoyn, to exei perigracei o Prwqypoyrgos se mia omilia poy ekane sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias. Sas parapempw s` ayth thn omilia. Einai kati parapanw apo safh ta qemata me ta opoia qa asxolhqei h Syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh me ta panwtokia, polloi den proftasan, mhpws prokeitai na ginei kai kapoios allos nomos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai proxqes kai eipa oti den exw gnwsh kapoioy tetoioy qematos neas ryqmishs, gia to an yparxei kapoio mikro pososto anqrwpwn poy den ``proftasan'', opws lete. Otan exw kati perissotero, qa sas enhmerwsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To qetoyn pali oi agrotes ayto to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhtw oti to erwthma sas exei bash, ennow oti apo kapoy qa jekinaei, alla den exw na pw kati perissotero. Sas qymizw oti ena pososto ths tajhs toy 70% twn problhmatwn lyqhke me th ryqmish poy egine gia ta panwtokia. Sas exw dwsei sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys sto parelqon.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poioi einai oi logoi poy h kratikh thleorash paizei lepto pros lepto kai se zwntanh syndesh thn epistrofh toy Babylh apo th Rwmh; Jerei kati parapanw gia thn ekbash ths ypoqeshs; Qa lamcei h alhqeia h ejyphretei kapoies epikoinwniakes anagkes ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na bgalete opoia ayqaireta symperasmata qelete. Se o,ti afora thn kratikh thleorash, ayto to opoio exw pei polles fores einai oti exei perasei anepistrepti h periodos ekeinh -kai oxi mono logw allaghs ktirioy h xwroy- opoy htan se eyqeia syndesh, se ``omfalio lwro'' h kratikh thleorash me thn odo Zalokwsta, to prwhn Ypoyrgeio Typoy. H kratikh thleorash leitoyrgei me toys kanones ths agoras, toy antagwnismoy. Leitoyrgei anejarthth, xwris kanenos eidoys politikes parembaseis apo ton epopteyonta ypoyrgo politika, dhladh, apo ton exonta thn timh na sas omilei.

KAKALHS: Kai ajiologhse ws sobarotero qema thn epistrofh toy Babylh, san prwto qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Perasa 20 xronia sth dhmosiografia. Den eimai oyte arxisyntakths, oyte dieyqynths pleon. Exw dhlwsei thn proqesh moy na mhn epistrecw sth dhmosiografia. Kata synepeia, o,ti eixa na kanw eixa kanei sth dhmosiografia, to exw teleiwsei. Den exw kanenos eidoys tetoia proqesh apo th qesh toy ypoyrgoy na janaginw arxisyntakths, opoioydhpote thleoptikoy mesoy, sebomenos pantote ola ta MME.

Sas eyxaristw.

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