Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-23

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Aqhna, 23 Febroyarioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: O k. Roysopoylos einai entajei, einai kala;

ANTWNAROS: Apolytws.

BLAXOS: Giati den ton blepoyme. Blepoyme esas, gi` ayto. Lew mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos dysaresthqhke me th xqesinh symperifora toy pros toys dhmosiografoys kai yparxei kapoio problhma.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ti einai ayta poy lete;

BLAXOS: Rwtw. Erwthsh kanw.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos htan shmera sth Boylh.

BLAXOS: Dioti o k. Roysopoylos einai ekproswpos toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Egw jerw oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei systhsei stoys ypoyrgoys na symperiferontai tapeina kai semna.

ANTWNAROS: Einai mia apo tis polles idiothtes poy diaqetei o k. Roysopoylos kai den xreiazetai kamia amfisbhthsh panw se ayto.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th shmerinh apokalych ths efhmeridas ``TA NEA'' oti eixe dhmosieytei h apofash gia thn politikh epistrateysh twn naytergatwn se fyllo efhmeridas ths kybernhshs me prohgoymenh hmeromhnia, enw h kybernhsh synexize to dialogo me toys ekproswpoys twn naytergatwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den alhqeyei ayto poy lete. O dialogos eixe teleiwsei proxqes, arga to brady. Otan h kybernhsh enhmerwqhke apo ton armodio ypoyrgo k. Kefalogiannh oti oi synomilies den odhgoysan se kanena apotelesma, h kybernhsh kanontas xrhsh twn syntagmatikwn dikaiwmatwn poy exei, proxwrhse sth sygkekrimenh apofash.

SPYRAKH: Qewreite, dhladh, oti to fyllo ths kybernhshs poy dhmosieyetai shmera sthn efhmerida ``TA NEA'' den einai to fyllo me to opoio h kybernhsh@

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai einai to fyllo.

SPYRAKH: Einai to fyllo. Exete dei ti hmeromhnia exei;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

SPYRAKH: Kai poia hmeromhnia exei;

ANTWNAROS: Exei hmeromhnia 21 Febroyarioy.

SPYRAKH: Tote, giati den einai alhqeia ayto poy leme;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti oi synomilies apebhsan akarpes prin apo thn ekpnoh ths hmeras poy eixe thn hmeromhnia 21 Febroyarioy. Toylaxiston mia wra prin apo thn ekpnoh ths sygkekrimenhs hmeras.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh skopeyei na epistrateysei kai emas toys dhmosiografoys; Giati o k. Gewrgiadhs, shmera, milwntas se radiofwno, proteine kai ayth th lysh.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tis sygkekrimenes dhlwseis.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa mas epistrateysete kai emas;

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti mallon me diaqesh asteismoy moy qetete th sygkekrimenh erwthsh.

LEONTITSH: Epeidh eipate gia diaqesh asteismoy, qa sas pw akribws ti dhlwse shmera o k. Gewrgiadhs, boyleyths Kerkyras, sto radiostaqmo ALPHA 98,9. Eipe, kat` arxas, oti zhta na epistrateytei o tropos me ton opoio ginontai oi syzhthseis sta thleoptika paraqyra. Xreiazetai ligh epistrateysh tajhs, eipe xarakthristika kai malista, otan akoyse ta sxolia dhmosiografwn gia tis antirrhseis kapoiwn ergatologwn, oson afora th syntagmatikothta ths apofashs ths kybernhshs. Eipe, prosexete giati exete ektraxynqei. Kai rwta o dhmosiografos: ``Mas apeileite''; Apanta o k. Gewrgiadhs: ``Sas prostateyw''.

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den moy einai gnwstes oi sygkekrimenes anafores. Den exw kanena logo na amfisbhtw oti o tropos me ton opoio tis metaferete se emena, edw sthn aiqoysa, antapokrinetai se ayta poy pragmatika lexthkan@

LEONTITSH: Poio einai to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: @Alla, den exw kanena logo na sxoliasw kati poy feretai na eipe enas boyleyths. En pash periptwsei, opws gnwrizete, o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos k. Roysopoylos kai egw eimaste kaqhmerina edw kai apantame se para polles erwthseis, kaqe eidoys, poy mas tiqentai.

SIDERHS: Ep` aytoy. O k. Gewrgiadhs eipe kai xqes kapoia pragmata. Oyte kai ayta ta akoysate;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai dynato na parakoloyqw oles tis syzhthseis sthn thleorash.

SIDERHS: Exete mhxanismo na sas tis metaferei. Eipe, loipon, oti h xqesinh hmera einai istorikh. Den jerw an qa doqei entolh sthn k. Giannakoy na katagrafei sta maqhtika biblia, dipla sto 1940 kai sto 1821.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete protash eseis;

SIDERHS: Egw rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Blepw oti exete orejh gia istorikes anafores@

SIDERHS: Bghke sta thleoptika paraqyra kai eipe oti einai istorikh hmera. Htan empleos xaras.

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei na epilyqei ena qema me hremo tropo. Me thn omalopoihsh ths katastashs sta limania, qa mporesei na synexistei apo ton ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias k. Kefalogiannh kai toys ekproswpoys twn naytergatwn o dialogos poy eixe diakopei, oxi, pantws, me eyqynh ths kybernhshs.

SIDERHS: Qewroyme emeis oti, otan o kaqe Gewrgiadhs leei kati sta paraqyra, eyqyneste na apanthsete kai na parete qesh ep` aytoy, opws pairnete gia kaqe boyleyth ths antipoliteyshs, eyqyneste kai gia ton kaqe Gewrgiadh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia dikh sas ermhneia, thn opoia den symmerizomai.

SIDERHS: To qewroyme, gi` ayto kai sas rwtame.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa.

SARANTAKOS: Exw mprosta moy thn efhmerida ``EQNOS'', h opoia epishs dhmosieyei sthn prwth selida to fyllo ths efhmeridas ths kybernhshs, me hmeromhnia 21 Febroyarioy 2006. H idia efhmerida anaferei, epishs, oti o k. Karamanlhs arxise ena gyro thlefwnikwn epikoinwniwn me koryfaioys ypoyrgoys apo toys opoioys zhthse th gnwmh toys, thn eishghsh toys gia to qema ths epistrateyshs, apo nwris to apogeyma ths hmeras ekeinhs, thn idia dhladh stigmh poy o k. Kefalogiannhs elege ``afhste thn apergia kai elate na koybentiasoyme gia ta oikonomika aithmata''. To epibebaiwnete ayto; O k. Karamanlhs, thn wra dhladh poy htan anoiktos akomh o dialogos symfwna me ton k. Kefalogiannh, proetoimaze to qema ths epistrateyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, den prokeitai na sas pw -kai ayto pagiws den to kanoyme- poia thlefwnhmata kanei h pws epikoinwnei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys toy h me alloys synergates toy.

SARANTAKOS: Gia to xrono, an qelete na moy peite; Oxi me poioys.

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparxei mia katastash se ejelijh einai fysiko h kybernhsh na proetoimazetai gia ola ta endexomena. Einai fysiko na yparxoyn nomika keimena poy na exoyn proetoimastei, eite h katastash phgainei pros mia kateyqynsh, eite pros thn allh. Ayto einai apolytws fysiko. Alimono ean mia kybernhsh den eixe th frontida, wste na proetoimazei ekeina ta opoia, endexomenws, kapoia stigmh, qa prepei na apofasisei kai na efarmosei.

KAKALHS: Kat` arxas, mia parathrhsh. Entypwsiazei to gegonos oti den apodokimazete tis apoceis toy k. Gewrgiadh, oi opoies einai ejofqalma@

ANTWNAROS: Speydw gia mia akomh fora na sas pw. Moy metaferete kati kai lypamai poy to lew, alla den einai momfh, oyte enantion ths k. Leontitsh, dioti eipa oti den exw logo na amfisbhtw oti metaferei me akribeia osa exoyn lexqei, alla qa moy epitrecete tis dhlwseis na tis exw dei o idios, wste na mporw na tis sxoliasw. Oi ekproswpoi ths kybernhshs, kaqe hmera, einai edw mprosta sas, dexontai dekades erwthmata sas, opws gnwrizete, kai dinoyme apanthseis. En pash periptwsei, dieykrinizw oti h kybernhsh den symmerizetai apoceis poy eishgoyntai metra eis baros twn dhmosiografwn. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Parakalw, sthn erwthsh sas.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh qelei twra na omalopoihqei h katastash sta limania, wste na synexistei o dialogos. Den einai ojymwro sxhma; Ti nohma exei o dialogos me epistrateymenoys naytergates;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme pei apo thn arxh oti aytos o dialogos einai enas dialogos poy synexizetai edw kai arketo kairo. Sta plaisia aytoy toy dialogoy poy eixe h kybernhsh kai eidikotera to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias me toys ekproswpoys twn naytergatwn, exoyn doqei lyseis se para polla qemata poy exoyn qesei oi naytergates pros thn kybernhsh kai ta opoia ekkremoysan edw kai para polla xronia. Ta perissotera apo ta qesmika aithmata, opws gnwrizete, exoyn ikanopoihqei h en pash periptwsei exei dromologhqei h lysh toys. Ayto einai kati poy kaneis den to amfisbhtei. Orismena apo ta oikonomika aithmata exoyn, epishs, ikanopoihqei. Kai sas anefere xqes diejodika o k. Roysopoylos oti perysi, me ayth thn kybernhsh, doqhke mia ayjhsh toy efapaj se pososto 25%, legontas, taytoxrona, oti to efapaj ejakoloyqei na brisketai se xamhla epipeda. Yparxei, synepws, periqwrio gia syzhthsh se ena plaisio poy qa to diakrinei h nhfaliothta kai h proqesh kai apo tis dyo pleyres na katalhjoyn se lyseis.

SPYRAKH: Exw dyo apories. H prwth einai, ean ektima h kybernhsh oti xreiazetai ligh epistrateysh tajhs ston tropo me ton opoio diejagetai h dhmosia syzhthsh apo toys dhmosiografoys.

ANTWNAROS: Hdh, apanthsa me apolyth safhneia. Den yparxei kamia amfisbhthsh kai den mporei na yparjei kamia amfisbhthsh se osa sas eipa.

SPYRAKH: H deyterh aporia moy einai, pote perihlqe se gnwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy o katalogos twn aithmatwn twn naytergatwn.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthse xqes diejodika o k. Roysopoylos.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, alla den apanthse gia to xrono.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthse, xqes, diejodika o k. Roysopoylos.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mas eipate prin apo ligo oti den gnwrizete ti eipe o k. Gewrgiadhs. H dikh sas ergasia, h dikh sas doyleia, den einai na gnwrizete, na erxeste edw, na mas enhmerwsete, na apanthsete stis erwthseis; Giati h synenteyjh doqhke prin apo peripoy dyo wres. Den sas enhmerwse kapoios;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, exoyme thn poly eyxaristh polyteleia sthn Ellada na diaqetoyme para polla radiofwna kai para polles thleoraseis. Eixa thn tyxh na zhsw kai se alles xwres ths Eyrwphs, opoy den exoyn toso ektetamena thn polyteleia ayths ths polyfwnias. Den einai eykolo, loipon, mesa se liges wres na katagrafetai -kai mh nomizete oti exoyme kapoio mhxanismo poy katagrafei ta panta- ti lene se diarkh roh oi boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos h oi boyleytes twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs stis thleoraseis kai ta radiofwna.

PAPAGIANNHS: Einai h deyterh fora.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh den symmerizetai tetoies apoceis, oi opoies proteinoyn kai yioqetoyn metra enantion twn dhmosiografwn. Einai para poly safes ayto poy sas eipa.

BLAXOS: Ayto apo poy to symperainete; Apo th xqesinh symperifora toy k. Roysopoyloy apenanti stis erwthseis twn dhmosiografwn edw;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw gia mia akomh fora: Edw kai dyo xronia oi ekproswpoi ths shmerinhs kybernhshs einai kaqe hmera, otan den yparxei kapoio ektakto gegonos, se ayth thn aiqoysa kai apantoyn se oles tis erwthseis poy toys tiqentai. Kai eseis eiste apo ekeinoys poy ypogrammizete me idiaiterh emfash thn paroysia sas sthn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: Eseis loipon shmera, poy me gnwrizete tosa xronia kai poy me exete xeiristei san dhmosiografo kai apo th qesh toy Proedroy ths Enwshs Jenwn Antapokritwn, qa xarakthrizate ``gkaimpelikoy'' xarakthra mia erwthsh moy, poy den qa sas arese;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa anaferqw sto xqesino briefing, giati s` ayto, profanws, anafereste. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai oi erwthseis na ginontai me stoxo na apokomisoyn mia apanthsh kai oxi na exoyn th morfh mias synolikhs topoqethshs panw se ena qema.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ayto poy eipe o synadelfos, einai mia apo tis treis oceis toy idioy nomismatos. Einai o xarakthrismos ``Gkaimpels''. Einai h dhlwsh toy k. Soyflia oti qa parapemcei sto ESR hxhtika ntokoymenta toy radiofwnikoy staqmoy ``SKAI''@

ANTWNAROS: Eprokeito na kanei erwthsh ep` aytoy o k. Rabanos kai ton diakocate.

PAPAGIANNHS: Yparxei omws kai to shmerino toy k. Gewrgiadh. Etsi antimetwpizete toys synadelfoys mas;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete gia mia akomh fora na pw, opws sas eipe xqes kai o k. Roysopoylo: Prwton, oti edw eimai me thn idiothta toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy kai oxi toy dhmosiografoy. Deyteron, den mporeite na perimenete apo emena tipote allo, apo to na ekfrasw thn ektimhsh moy gia th doyleia toy dhmosiografoy. Ena epaggelma poy yphrethsa kai o idios panw apo 30 xronia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Telika qa exete thn kalosynh na mas peite, typikws toylaxiston poios eishghqhke ston Prwqypoyrgo na ypogracei thn epistrateysh; Typikws, ierarxikws. Monos toy o Prwqypoyrgos phre thn prwtoboylia kai to synetaje;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na enhmerwqeite ti leei akribws h keimenh nomoqesia. Ayto einai poly eykolo na to diapistwsei kaneis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den qa sas rwtoysa, an diabaza ti leei h politikh nomoqesia.

ANTWNAROS: Prepei, omws, na to kanete.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite, giati ejakoloyqoyn na einai epistrateymenoi akoma oi SEPites;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno qema. Den jerw ti einai oi SEPites.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Einai oi idiokthtes twn lewforeiwn, oi opoioi einai epistrateymenoi akomh kai shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Ep` aytoy, qa na enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa perimenw thn apanthsh sas.

RABANOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres parakoloyqoyme mia antiparaqesh metajy toy idiokthth ths ``KAQHMERINHS'' kai toy ``SKAI'' k. Alafoyzoy, me ton ypoyrgo PEXWDE k. Giwrgo Soyflia. Mia antiparaqesh, ths opoias oi tonoi ayjanontai me gewmetrikh proodo kaqhmerina. Qa hqela prwton, na rwthsw an ayto problhmatizei thn kybernhsh. H sygkroysh dhladh enos epixeirhmatia, o opoios diakeitai filika pros thn kybernhsh, qa elega, me ena koryfaio stelexos toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Kai deyteron, an egkrinei h kybernhsh th stash toy k. Soyflia, na prosfygei sto ESR, gia ta spotakia toy ``SKAI''. Kai triton an h kinhsh toy k. Soyflia exei thn kalych toy Megaroy Majimoy kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Sas qymizw, oti prohghqhke h synanthsh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs thn perasmenh Trith, me ton k. Soyflia epi mish wra.

ANTWNAROS: O ypoyrgos Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. Giwrgos Soyflias, exei dwsei epaneilhmmenws gia to sygkekrimeno qema, dhladh to kostos toy metro, plhrofories oi opoies htan kai einai eparkeis kai apolyta emperistatwmenes. Opws gnwrizete, o kaqe poliths kai oi politikoi einai kai aytoi polites, me ta idia dikaiwmata kai ypoxrewseis, exoyn th dynatothta, to dikaiwma, na yperaspizontai me ola ta prosfora mesa ton eayto toys kai thn politikh toys. O k. Soyflias, qewrei oti adikws balletai kai malista eipe jekaqara oti prosballetai h proswpikothta kai h ypolhch toy. Ti pio fysiko loipon, apo to na apanthsei; H politikh sth xwra mas askeitai dhmosia. Efoson loipon kai h kritikh pros ena politiko proswpo, opws einai o k. Giwrgos Soyflias, askhqhke dhmosia, etsi kai to politiko proswpo -epanalambanw opws kaqe poliths- exei th dynatothta mesa sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn, na kanei oti ekeino krinei oti prepei na kanei, prokeimenoy na yperaspistei thn politikh kai thn ypolhch toy. Allwste, h akeraiothta kai h politikh ypeyqynothta toy k. Soyflia einai gnwsto ana to panellhnio.

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti balletai adikws o k. Soyflias;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa, den exw na prosqesw tipote.

BLAXOS: Eipate, oti o k. Soyflias, qewrei oti balletai adikws. Rwtw, h kybernhsh qewrei oti balletai adikws o k. Soyflias;

ANTWNAROS: Ekana mia synolikh dhlwsh, h opoia emperiexei kai thn apanthsh s` ayto poy molis me rwtate.

SARANTAKOS: Eixe teqei kai to qema sthn kat` idian syzhthsh, poy eixe o k. Soyflias me ton Prwqypoyrgo ligo prin apo thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se qemata poy syzhta o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh egine h dhlwsh ayth kai amesws meta@(den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, den to exoyme kanei pote, den anaferomaste se syzhthseis poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys.

SIDERHS: O k. Soyflias den einai aplos poliths gia na katafygei se endika mesa. Einai ypoyrgos. Exei dhmosio logo kai mporei na antiparateqei me dhmosio logo. H prosfygh se endika mesa bohqaei ton aplo anwnymo polith poy den exei ejoysia mazi toy, den exei ejoysia dipla toy, den exei bhma dialogoy.

ANTWNAROS: Exete pragmatika mia periergh antilhch. Dioti, kata thn idia logikh, qa prepei oloi oi politikoi na paraitoyntai twn dikaiwmatwn ta opoia exoyn oi Ellhnes polites. Ayto den symbainei. Ayto einai mia dikh sas ermhneia, poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

SIDERHS: Den qelw na synexisw, epeidh ergazomai ekei, gia na mh qewrhqei oti kalyptw ton ergodoth moy. Apla rwtw san dhmosiografos, oxi ws ergazomenos ekei.

ANTWNAROS: Exete dikaiwma na kanete opoia erwthsh epiqymeite.

SIDERHS: H prosfygh sto ESR, einai mia banaysh symperifora, ekmetalleyshs ths ejoysias poy exei o k. Soyflias. Giati opoiosdhpote aplos poliths, den qa mporoyse na katafygei kai den qa eixe toso enisxymenh apoch kai dynatothta parembashs opws exei o k. Soyflias. Ta lew, asxeta poy ergazomai.

ANTWNAROS: Sxolio kanete. Den kanete erwthsh.

SIDERHS: Den kanw sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Den kanate erwthsh mexri ayth th stigmh.

SIDERHS: Mas ton ferate ws aplo polith. Den einai aplos poliths o k. Soyflias, einai prwtistws politikos kai exei dhmosio bhma, thn ejoysia toy dhmosioy bhmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Sas ejhghsa molis oti oi politikoi, opws oloi oi Ellhnes polites, exoyn ta dikaiwmata ekeina poy aporreoyn apo to Syntagma kai toys nomoys. Den ejairoyntai oi politikoi h alles omades apo to synolo twn 11 ekatommyriwn Ellhnwn politwn, na kanoyn xrhsh twn prosforwn meswn, ta opoia toys parexoyn to Syntagma kai oi nomoi.

KYRITSHS: O Proedros ths Panellhnias Enwshs Naytwn Emporikoy Naytikoy, o opoios eklhqh na sxoliasei tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Roysopoyloy apo ayto edw to bhma alla kai tis shmerines dhlwseis toy sth Boylh, eipe dyo pragmata: Prwton, ws pros thn ayjhsh toy efapaj kata 25%, eipe oti h kybernhsh kanei ``mnhmosyno me jena kollyba'' dioti den bazei lefta gia to efapaj. To efapaj proerxetai apokleistika kai mono apo tis krathseis twn naytikwn opote den mporei h kybernhsh na epikaleitai thn ayjhsh toy. Deyteron, eipe oti o k. Roysopoylos eipe cemata se o,ti afora thn yparjh aithmatos gia meiwsh ths forologias twn naytikwn dioti den yparxei tetoio aithma sthn apergia. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Ola osa eipe o k. Roysopoylos antapokrinontai 100% sthn pragmatikothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O boyleyths toy PASOK k. Stratakhs ekane mia protash sth Boylh, na xrhsimopoihqoyn karabia me jenh shmaia kai oxi ellhnikh prokeimenoy na synexistoyn oi metafores. H kybernhsh to meleta;

SIDERHS: Ton zhleyei o Gewrgiadhs.

BLAXOS: Pantws einai kalh idea!

ANTWNAROS: Symfwneite kyrie Blaxo; Einai pragmatika mia ejwfrenikh apoch ayth poy diatypwqhke shmera sth Boylh apo boyleyth toy PASOK, oti h kybernhsh qa eprepe na ftiajei kapoion apergospastiko mhxanismo kai malista na dromologhsei karabia me jenh shmaia wste na metaferontai ta emporeymata. Anarwtiomaste, loipon: Ayto einai to endiaferon toy PASOK gia toys naytergates;

BLAXOS: Poia einai h diafora kyrie Ekproswpe metajy ths politikhs epistrateyshs kai toy apergospastikoy mhxanismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws k. Blaxo den parakoloyqhsate thn erwthsh oyte thn apanthsh poy edwsa. H protash h opoia egine sth Boylh einai sygkekrimenh. Rwtame, loipon, jana to PASOK: Yioqetei thn apoch toy boyleyth toy na dhmioyrghqei apergospastikos mhxanismos me ploia me jenh shmaia;

BLAXOS: Aplws ta dyo megala kommata synagwnizeste se antergatikes meqodoys.

ANTWNAROS: Parasyreste kai kanete ayto gia to opoio den endeiknytai ayth h aiqoysa: Sxolia apo thn pleyra twn dhmosiografwn.

LEONTITSH: Shmera to PASOK emmesws plhn safws zhthse thn paraithsh toy k. Kefalogiannh. Sygkekrimena h k. Diamantopoyloy eipe oti to elaxisto poy mporei na deijei o armodios Ypoyrgos einai politikh eyqijia kai krhtiko filotimo. Parallhla omws kai boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias baloyn kata twn xeirismwn toy k. Kefalogiannh. Shmera o k. Manwlhs dhlwse oti o armodios Ypoyrgos htan san na ejeytelize toys naytergates legontas toys stamathste thn apergia kai elate na syzhthsoyme. H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo toys xeirismoys toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti h kybernhsh yposthrizei ton dialogo se ena pneyma nhfaliothtos kai me stoxo na breqoyn apodektes lyseis. Molis omalopoihqei h katastash, o dialogos aytos, na eiste sigoyrh oti qa synexistei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ep` aytoy. O k. Kefalogiannhs exei thn empistosynh ths kybernhshs; Afhste to dialogo kata meroys.

ANTWNAROS: Molis omalopoihqei h katastash o k. Kefalogiannhs qa synexisei to dialogo.

PAPAGIANNHS: Yparxoyn kybernhtika stelexh ta opoia se kat` idian syzhthseis alla kai sta thleoptika paraqyra yposthrizoyn thn ejhs apoch: Pisw apo tis apergies briskontai stelexh toy PASOK, toy KKE kai toy Synaspismoy. Me endiaferei h epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs. Yioqeteite kati tetoio h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh endiaferetai gia thn apokatastash ths hremias sthn aktoploia, thn kanonikh leitoyrgia twn limaniwn, th metafora twn emporeymatwn, thn trofodosia twn nhsiwn me emporeymata, farmaka, kaysima, th dynatothta olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn -kyriws apo ton nhsiwtiko mas xwro o opoios opws gnwrizete exei mia idiomorfia poy den yparxei poyqena alloy sthn Eyrwph- na mporoyn na metakinoyntai eleyqera. Ayto einai poy metraei kai pros ta kei akribws katateinoyn oi prospaqeies poy kanei h kybernhsh. Eimai bebaios oti telika qa prytaneysei h logikh kai qa apokatastaqei h omalh leitoyrgia ths aktoploias.

KAKALHS: Afhsate na aiwreitai pantws h politikh ypokinhsh twn apergiwn.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthse xqes me safhneia o k. Roysopoylos.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh ejantlhse ola ta periqwria dialogoy ikanopoiwntas oysiastika ta aithmata twn naytikwn. Dystyxws h hgesia ths PNO epeleje th synexish ths apergias poy plhttei thn oikonomia, ton toyrismo, to emporio kai thn eleyqerh diakinhsh twn politwn. Me aisqhma eyqynhs apenanti sto koinwniko synolo h kybernhsh apofasise thn politikh epistrateysh twn apergwn''. Ayth den einai mia dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Naytilias h oi xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Roysopoyloy, einai dhlwsh toy ekproswpoy toy PASOK k. Thlemaxoy Xythrh thn epomenh ths epistrateyshs twn naytergatwn to 2002. Pws ejhgeite thn plhrh taytish sto skeptiko ths epistrateyshs anamesa stis dyo kybernhseis kai pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti h epistrateysh einai to pio prosforo meso gia na lysei ta problhmata twn naytergatwn;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Melhma ths shmerinhs kybernhshs einai kai ta aithmata twn ergazomenwn na briskoyn antapokrish sto metro toy dynatoy kai to koinwniko synolo kata th diekdikhsh aytwn twn aithmatwn na mhn yfistatai zhmia kai h xwra na leitoyrgei kanonika. Ayto exei shmasia. Egw sas milw ek meroys ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, h opoia kinhqhke kai qa synexisei na kineitai me gnwmona aytes tis basikes skeceis poy prin apo ligo sas ejeqesa. Einai de kati to opoio exw thn aisqhsh oti h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn jerei na ajiologei kai na krinei.

KORAH: O Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias ``edwse to daxtylidi'' ston k. Zagorith gia tis ayrianes ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to erwthma exei teqei polles fores. H eklogh toy Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias qa pragmatopoihqei opws gnwrizete ayrio. Einai mia kommatikh diadikasia sthn opoia h kybernhsh den ypeiserxetai.

KORAH: O Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias einai o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekproswpw thn kybernhsh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den ekproswpw ton Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias. Epanalambanw oti prokeitai gia mia kommatikh diadikasia thn opoia opws gnwrizete oydepote sxoliazoyme se ayth thn aiqoysa. Allwste, ayrio einai h eklogh. Se ligotero apo 24 wres qa gnwrizete to apotelesma.

KORAH: Emena moy arkei oti@ apofygate na milhsete gia to daxtylidi.

MOYRTHS: Qa hqela th qesh ths kybernhshs sxetika me to qesmiko plaisio poy diepei tis apergies. Ean to qewrei eparkes, an xreiazetai allagh kai poy, se o,ti afora th diadikasia khryjhs twn apergiwn, toy proswpikoy asfaleias klp.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw sxetika me ayto to qema.

KOTTARIDHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio sxetika me thn arnhsh ths Toyrkias na epitrecei ton ellimenismo ploioy ypo kypriakh shmaia sto limani ths Mersinhs kai ena sxolio gia to gegonos oti xqes o k. Iakwboy den enhmerwse thn k. Mpakogiannh gi` ayto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema ayto eteqhsan polla erwthmata sthn enhmerwsh poy ekane o ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsakos, molis pro oligoy. Parapempw stis apanthseis toy kai parapempw epishs se mia topoqethsh poy ekane o k. Koymoytsakos xqes arga to apogeyma, molis egine gnwsto to sygkekrimeno symban. Eimai bebaios oti gnwrizete th dhlwsh kai den xreiazetai na thn epanalabw.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh se erwthsh toy gia xqesino peristatiko sto briefing, o k. Blaxos shmera milhse ej onomatos olwn twn dhmosiografwn, qa hqela na dieykrinistei oti prokeitai peri proswpikhs periptwshs kai oxi syllogikhs.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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