Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-06

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Aqhna, 6 Febroyarioy 2006

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei, ayrio to prwi, stis 10:30 me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Ispanias k. Moratino.

@Stis 11:00 qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias.

@Stis 19:30 qa parastei sth dejiwsh, sto Proedriko Megaro, pros timhn toy Dikastikoy Swmatos, ths Akadhmias Aqhnwn, twn Prytanikwn Arxwn twn Anwtatwn Ekpaideytikwn Idrymatwn kai twn Proedrwn twn Texnologikwn Ekpaideytikwn Idrymatwn.

Qa hqela na kanw ena mikro sxolio stis dhlwseis toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Papandreoy, sxetika me to qema twn ypoklopwn: ``O k. Papandreoy kai to PASOK asynhqistoi stis diadikasies diafaneias poy yphretei h shmerinh kybernhsh, prospaqoyn na bgoyn apo ta eswkommatika toys problhmata, me kinhseis entypwsiasmoy kai entypwsewn. Anarwtietai kaqe kalopistos, ti enoxlei arage to PASOK; Oti doqhkan ola ta stoixeia sth dhmosiothta; Oti h Dikaiosynh askei to qesmiko ths rolo xwris parembaseis; Mallon kai ta dyo''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Pagkalos eqese qema empistosynhs sto proswpo toy k. Papaggelopoyloy gia thn peraiterw dienergeia ths ereynas se o,ti afora to zhthma twn ypoklopwn, enw o k. Benizelos eqese ena synolikotero zhthma empistosynhs pros toys dikastikoys leitoyrgoys. Yparxei, loipon, ena qema poy qetei h pleyra ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai poy opws katalabainw, estiazetai kyriws sto xrono poy apaithqhke gi` ayth thn ereyna, thn prokatarktikh, poy htan 11 mhnes kai sto apotelesma ths. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aytes oi dhlwseis poy eginan; Eginan dhmosiws;

SPYRAKH: Einai dhlwseis poy eginan sto plaisio ths synedriashs organoy toy PASOK kai metadoqhkan ap` oloys toys synadelfoys mas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na kanw sxolio gia kati to opoio den egine dhmosiws. Ean isxyei -giati moy erxetai sto myalo h ypoqesh Markogiannakh, opoy se idiwtikh omilia toy o k. Markogiannakhs, me th gnwsth ypoqesh, milhse gia ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy- ean yparxoyn stelexh toy PASOK ta opoia exoyn kataferqei enantion ths Dikaiosynhs kai stelexwn ths Dikaiosynhs, tote oysiastika apokalyptetai oti to PASOK ejanesth kai fwnaskoyse ypokritika se ekeinh thn prwth ypoqesh. Kai qa perimene kaneis ap` oloys poy yperaspisthkan thn anejarthsia ths Dikaiosynhs, opws epraje h kybernhsh epishmws, na to kanoyn kai twra. Ean dhladh isxyei ayto poy moy lete, qa perimene kaneis apo ton k. Papandreoy, ekeinh thn wra kiolas, yperaspizomenos thn anejarthsia ths Dikaiosynhs, na eixe balei sth qesh toys ta stelexh toy PASOK. Dioti den mporei na egine o,ti egine sthn ypoqesh toy prwhn Yfypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajews, dhladh ta stelexh toy PASOK na kathgoroyn ton k. Markogiannakh kai shmera -ean synebh, janalew gia trith fora, ayto enwpion toy k. Papandreoy- dyo ychlobaqma stelexh toy PASOK na exoyn kathgorhsei th Dikaiosynh kai leitoyrgoys ths kai na mhn exei akoystei tipota apo ton k. Papandreoy. Elpizw na to jekaqarisei o arxhgos toy PASOK.

SPYRAKH: An moy epitrepete, den yphrjan proswpikes aixmes, opws isws na htan analogo ayto poy eixe ginei me ton k. Lino kai ton k. Markogiannakh sthn idiwtikh koybenta. Alla, edw eteqh ena qema ajiopistias twn leitoyrgwn poy exoyn analabei thn ereyna.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti einai ayto poy moy lete; H ajiopistia twn leitoyrgwn; Oi leitoyrgoi einai proswpa. Ean loipon -janalew gia tetarth fora- yphrjan stelexh toy PASOK ta opoia, enwpion toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai Proedroy toy PASOK, kataferqhkan kaq` oiondhpote tropo, enantion leitoyrgwn ths Dikaiosynhs kai o k. Papandreoy den toys ebale sth qesh toys, tote einai ypologos kai o idios.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na moy ejhghsete, giati thn hmera, 10 Martioy, poy o k. Korwnias phge sto Megaro Majimoy kai toys apokalyce oti ginotan parakoloyqhsh thlefwnwn, metajy aytwn kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h kybernhsh den antedrase amesws, na mplokarei th Vodafone, na balei dikoys ths anqrwpoys, eidikoys, gia na elegjoyn ta systhmata ths Vodafone. Deyteron, exei ginei ayth h ypokloph. Einai mesa se aytoys poy exoyn ypoklecei kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Kaneis Ypoyrgos den aisqanetai thn anagkh na paraithqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero, einai h apolyth taytish ths erwthshs sas me th qesh poy ejefrase o k. Papandreoy kai ws ek toytoy, exw apanthsei hdh apo thn arxh.

BLAXOS: Otan lete ``taytish'', ti ennoeite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oti akribws to idio pragma eipe o k. Papandreoy. Kai eixa apanthsei hdh prin me rwthsete.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, dyo polites se ayth th xwra den mporoyn na exoyn thn idia apoch;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qa kanete erwthsh kai qa perimenete apanthsh h qa kanete sooy. Sooy sto press room, enw egw eimai apenanti sas, den to dexomai. Parakalw, exei teleiwsei h erwthsh sas gia na sas apanthsw;

BLAXOS: Otan taytizete enan dhmosiografo me enan politiko, ayto einai momfh enantion toy dhmosiografoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia idiaiterh antilhch kai pragmatika idiomorfh, ofeilw na omologhsw. Egw, opws gnwrizete, exw se ektimhsh kai toys politikoys kai toys dhmosiografoys. Einai, omws, diko sas qema. Se kaqe periptwsh -janalew- einai to qema poy eqese shmera o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. To idio pragma rwthsate. Yparxei loipon taytish sto qema. To idio eipe o k. Papandreoy, to idio lete ki eseis. Egw apanthsa apo thn arxh, mpainontas sthn aiqoysa. Kata synepeia, qewrw oti exw apanthsei. Sto prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas, xrhsimopoihsate th frash ``dikoys ths anqrwpoys''. Kai edw einai mia megalh diafora, pragmatika. H kybernhsh den qewrei oti yparxoyn dikoi ths kai mh. H kybernhsh qewrei oti yparxoyn qesmoi. H kybernhsh apeyqynqhke se qesmoys, apeyqynqhke sth Dikaiosynh, ws ofeile na kanei. Kai h Dikaiosynh, apo kei kai pera, askhse to qesmiko rolo ths, gia na ftasei thn ypoqesh, me thn prokatarktikh ejetash, ekei poy exei ftasei: Sthn peraiterw diereynhsh apo mia kyria anakrish. Ara, loipon, h kybernhsh leitoyrghse apo thn prwth stigmh, mesa sto qesmiko plaisio to opoio epebalan to Syntagma kai oi nomoi mas.

BLAXOS: Otan lew ``dikoys ths anqrwpoys'' ennow hlektronikoys, stoys opoioys qa exei apolyth empistosynh, na pane na elegjoyn amesws ta systhmata, na doyn posa einai peiragmena kai apo poioys einai peiragmena. Yparxei Arxh Prostasias poy exei mhxanismoys. To kratos exei kapoioys mhxanismoys aytoprostasias. Aytoys ennow ``dikoys ths''. Eidikoys anqrwpoys gia na elegjoyn kai na frontisoyn na mhn kaqaristei, na mhn ejafanistoyn stoixeia apo to mhxanismo ths Vodafone. Einai aplo to pragma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

MPOTSARAKOS: Xqes, se polles efhmerides dhmosieythkan diafora onomata ta opoia den perilambanontan sth lista poy dhmosiopoihse h kybernhsh. Qelw na rwthsw: Yparxoyn thlefwna toy Idrymatos, sto opoio htan Proedros o k. Papoylias; Yparxei to onoma toy k. Papandreoy, toy k. Xristodoyloy kai alla onomata kai stelexwn toy PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoysa diafora senaria kai diabasa diafora senaria. Ekeino to opoio qa epanalabw gia mia akomh fora einai: Edoqhsan ola ta onomata ta opoia briskontan sth lista. Eipame apo thn prwth hmera oti den qa dwsoyme ariqmoys kai den qa dwsoyme kai tipota perissotero, efoson den einai katagegrammeno me to onoma toy. Qymaste oti ekeinh thn hmera o k. Boylgarakhs milhse gia stelexh twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, ths Astynomias kok. Eipame gia idiwtes, gia organismoys h foreis. Den qymamai, poia apo tis dyo lejeis eixame xrhsimopoihsei. Mporeite na to breite sto briefing poy egine kai poy krathse pollh wra. Ta onomata poy moy anaferate, den yparxoyn se kapoia lista.

BLAXOS: Th lista ayth sas thn edwse o k. Korwnias h eseis th brhkate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exoyme pei hdh kai ayto. H etaireia Vodafone edwse th lista me ta thlefwna poy parakoloyqoyntan.

TSIODRAS: Eipate oti exoyn doqei ta onomata. Wstoso exoyn doqei 46 onomata, yparxoyn 103 onomata sth lista, sthn opoia dhmosieyse xqes h kyriakatikh ``Eleyqerotypia''. Ayta profanws anhkoyn se kapoia proswpa, polla den einai dipla, ennow dhladh oti einai se foreis, sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs klp kai anhkoyn se proswpa poy den perilambanontai sth lista. Dhladh, oi arxhgoi twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, twn Swmatwn Asfaleias klp einai proswpa ta opoia eixan ayta ta thlefwna asxetws ean den doqhkan sth lista thn opoia dwsate eseis. Einai etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas anefera, apo thn prwth kiolas hmera, to paradeigma me thn syzygo toy Prwqypoyrgoy: Dhladh, oti to thlefwno poy antistoixoyse sthn etaireia ATEKE, to xrhsimopoioyse o Prwqypoyrgos kai h syzygos toy k.o.k. Edoqhsan ta onomata kai an deite th lista, den yparxei to onoma ths k. Natassas Karamanlh, para to oti ena ap` ta thlefwna poy xrhsimopoioyse htan thlefwno poy brhkame oti parhkoloyqeito. Edoqhsan loipon mono ta onomata poy antistoixoysan se thlefwna. Apo ekei kai pera, ariqmoi poy xrhsimopoioynto apo foreis, opws anefera gia paradeigma thlefwna ths Neas Dhmokratias, poy htan se xrhsh apo diaforetika stelexh kaqe fora den ta dwsame.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me th skopimothta, to na zhthsei h kybernhsh th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs ths Boylhs, prokeimenoy na diereynhsei to qema, qa mporoysate na mas peite, pera apo toys logoys politikwn entypwsewn, poios oysiastikos logos krybetai pisw ap` ayth thn kinhsh; Dhladh ti perimenete na bgalei h Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na pacoyn na dhmioyrgoyntai politikes entypwseis. Kai xairomai poy xrhsimopoihsate th frash ayth, gia na moy dwsete kai afethria gia thn apanthsh. H kybernhsh se ayth thn ypoqesh, opws exoyme pei apo thn arxh, edwse ola ta stoixeia. Qewrhse kai qewrei oti h leitoyrgia entos toy qesmikoy plaisioy einai h monh h opoia mporei na staqei ikana apenanti stoys Ellhnes polites. Yparxoyn diaforoi paragontes toy topoy, kyriws politikoi apo thn antipalh pleyra, poy prospaqoyn na xrhsimopoihsoyn to qema, me enan tropo poy den qa ton sxoliasw, dhmioyrgwntas mono entypwseis, opws eipa sthn arxh. Ekeino to opoio leme, loipon, einai: H Ejetastikh Epitroph poy qa jekinhsei me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias, dinei to dikaiwma se kaqe komma, pantote sto qesmiko plaisio kai entos toy Koinoboylioy, na ejetasei ta panta. Na elqei to kaqe komma poy metexei sto Koinoboylio kai sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph na zhthsei thn ereyna, th diereynhsh, thn ejetash proswpwn, katastasewn k.o.k.. Eleyqera, anoixta, xwris kanena fobo.

SARANTAKOS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth ean jananoigei o fakelos aytoktonias toy stelexoys ths Vodafone poy emene ston Kolwno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Dikaiosynh, opws gnwrizete, leitoyrgei anejarthta. Einai qema ths Dikaiosynhs, ean krinei oti prepei na ereynhsei kai pali thn ypoqesh.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh den to anaferei h synenteyjh Typoy poy eixate dwsei, otan apokalycate to qema, na ypoqesw oti h kybernhsh den sysxetizei thn aytoktonia aytoy toy stelexoys me thn olh ypoqesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anafora se atrantaxta dedomena htan ekeinh h opoia mas epetrepe na kinhqoyme. Dhladh, emeis kinhqhkame sth logikh twn dedomenwn, ta opoia eixan apodeixqei ws tetoia. Oti, as poyme, yphrxe parakoloyqhsh, eixe apodeixqei sthn prajh. H aytoktonia einai ena endiaferon qema, to opoio omws ekeinh th stigmh den anaferqh dioti den qewrhqhke oti mporoyse na sysxetistei amesws apo ta stoixeia poy eixame. Ean h peraiterw ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs, poy einai anoixth, epanalambanw, odhghqei se alla symperasmata, tote perimenoyme oloi, kai eseis kai emeis.

SARANTAKOS: To deytero erwthma moy, exei na kanei me ta qymata twn ypoklopwn. Ta politika proswpa poy htan qymata twn ypoklopwn. Pote enhmerwqhkan gia to oti ta thlefwna toys parakoloyqoyntai; Exoyn enhmerwqei; Eseis h o k. Boylgarakhs exei fwnajei thn k. Mpakogiannh, ton k. Dhma, na toys ejhghsete pws exei ayth h ypoqesh, mia kai toys endiaferei amesa to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka gi` ayto to qema kai apanthsa thn Paraskeyh. Isws apoysiazate. Den qa anaferw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Se o,ti afora thn emplokh ths amerikanikhs Presbeias h oxi, thn prwth hmera h kybernhsh edeije thn emmesh emplokh ths. Ypedeije emmesa me tis syntetagmenes poy orise. Th deyterh hmera, to diaceysate kathgorhmatika kai thn trith hmera, o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Papalhgoyras, milhse gia probokatsia h sthmenh enoxopoihsh. H erwthsh einai safhs. H kybernhsh apokleiei to endexomeno kataskopeias se baros ths xwras, apo jenes yphresies me prwteyonta rolo, proejarxontwn dhladh twn mystikwn yphresiwn twn HPA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Par` oti qa hqela na kanw sxolio epi twn sxoliasmwn sas, den qa kanw, oyte qa dwsw perissoteres apanthseis sta osa hdh exw anaferei. Rwthqhka kai thn prwth kai th deyterh hmera sto press room. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, diaceydete kathgorhmatika oti yparxei anameijh twn mystikwn yphresiwn twn HPA, ara kai ths Presbeias se ayth thn istoria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dhladh, epibebaiwnete oti ta symperasmata einai pantote dika sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh epanejetazei to qema twn kladikwn syllogikwn symbasewn, meta thn apergia twn trapezwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``ean epanejetazei to qema'' h kybernhsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twn kladikwn syllogikwn symbasewn poy emmesa katargoyntai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean milame gia to idio qema, opws gnwrizete, einai zhthma twn koinwnikwn forewn, oi opoioi exoyn parei tis apofaseis toys, kanoyn tis syzhthseis toys. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs. Den yphrje apofash ths kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla ayth th stigmh omws, to afhnete na ennohqei dioti syzhtaei kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai o k. Panagiwtopoylos. Prokeitai na ginei kati; Exoyn kapoia entolh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ena qema, to opoio, en prwtois, anaferetai stoys koinwnikoys etairoys. Den exw kati perissotero.

XIWTHS: An sygkrathsa kala thn apanthsh sas, se o,ti afora th skopimothta ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, eipate ``gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai politikes entypwseis''. O k. Ebert, exei dhlwsei hdh, oti qa proteinei ayrio thn amesh sygkrothsh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. H kybernhsh to syzhta h qewrei oti prepei na arxisei h epitroph afoy oloklhrwqei h proanakrish; Kai ean einai etsi, tote oi politikes entypwseis qa meinoyn gia poly akomh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an yparxei tetoia dhlwsh. Wstoso, an apomonwsw to qema kai dw thn oysia toy, ean dhladh prepei na ginei twra h oxi, ean mporei na ginei twra h oxi Ejetastikh Epitroph, h apanthsh einai: Gnwrizete oti kata ton Kanonismo toy Koinoboylioy, ean yparjei Ejetastikh Epitroph, thn idia stigmh qa stamathsei h dikastikh ereyna. Yp` aythn thn ennoia dhlwsame, xqes, oti qeloyme na oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna kai en synexeia na ginei Ejetastikh Epitroph.

XIWTHS: Efoson omws, sas teqei tetoio zhthma, apo boyleytes h apo kommata ths antipoliteyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, oti den prepei na stamathsei h dikastikh ereyna. Prepei na oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna kai en synexeia na ginei Ejetastikh Epitroph.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qelw na rwthsw kati gia to diadikastiko ths synenteyjhs Typoy ths Pempths. Se olh ayth thn istoria yparxei kai enas tetartos ypoyrgos, poy htan synarmodios sto qema ayto. Einai o k. Mixalhs Liaphs, o opoios eite den eklhqh eite den hqele na dwsei to paron sth synenteyjh Typoy. Enhmerwnetai gia ta zhthmata poy exoyn prokycei sxetika me thn Panafon;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte to ena, oyte to allo, mias kai eipate ``eite-eite''. Ayto to opoio me rwtate, apanthqhke kai thn prwth hmera sth diplanh aiqoysa kai th deyterh hmera, thn Paraskeyh, s` ayth thn aiqoysa.

PAPAGIANNHS: H deyterh erwthsh moy afora to endexomeno na prosanatolizetai h kybernhsh h na exei plhrofories oti ``kykloforoyn sthn agora'' perierges kasetes h cd chfiakhs texnologias opoy mesa se ayta emperiexontai synomilies kapoiwn ek twn proswpwn poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai gi` ayto rwthqhka thn Paraskeyh.

SIDERHS: Exw treis erwthseis. Aytos o laikismos ``toy ola na ta maqei o laos'' mhpws telika kanei kako se eqnika mas qemata, se eyaisqhta qemata asfaleias, afoy kai eseis sth synenteyjh Typoy poy dwsate, thn titloforhsate oti aforoyse qemata asfaleias. Einai dynaton, an yparxei kataskopeia kai an yparxoyn kerkoportes se ayto to qema, einai dynaton na bgoyn ola sth fora twra; Sto ejwteriko bgainoyn ypoqeseis kataskopeias, alla efoson exei wrimasei o xronos kai exoyn apostasiopoihqei oi anqrwpoi apo ta gegonota.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eilikrina, xairomai gia thn erwthsh sas kai eidika giati sto kleisimo xrhsimopoihsate akribws th lejh poy xrhsimopoihsa egw, ekeinh thn hmera. Eipa: ``twra poy wrimasan oi synqhkes'' kai ejhghsa ti ennooysa me thn wrimansh twn synqhkwn. Ean diabasate to apospasma ths dhlwsews moy ekeinh thn hmera, qa deite oti orqws epraje h kybernhsh mesa sto plaisio toy qesmikoy ths roloy kai ths apochs poy exei oti oi Ellhnes polites prepei na gnwrizoyn.

SIDERHS: Bebaia, kata th gnwmh sas exoyn wrimasei h isws na wrimasan dikastika. Einai perysines oi synqhkes. Den jerei kaneis kata poson exoyn wrimasei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai sebasth h ektimhsh toy opoioydhpote kai h dikh sas, ennoeitai. H istoria qa apodeijei.

SIDERHS: H xqesinh kyriakatikh ``Kaqhmerinh'', egrace gia ena sxedio ``OLAF''. H kybernhsh Shmith apofasise th sygkrothsh mias omadas me antikeimeno thn parakoloyqhsh thlefwnwn, sto plaisio ths EYP. Epibebaiwnete ayto to dhmosieyma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsa me to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai qa sas diabasw dyo stoixeia poy exw shmeiwsei. H lejh ``OLAF'' einai to akrwnymio ths ``OFFICE DE LA LUTTE ANTI-FRAUDE'', dhladh ths armodias Yphresias Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs gia th diwjh toy oikonomikoy egklhmatos, h opoia exei xrhmatodothsei thn promhqeia texnologikoy ejoplismoy ths EYP alla kai allwn yphresiwn toy dhmosioy, opws toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, mesa apo aysthres diadikasies, apolyta elegxomenes apo thn E.E. Oi promhqeies ths EYP elegxontai, ektos apo tis prwtobaqmies kai deyterobaqmies epitropes kai apo to tmhma elegktikoy. Prosfatws de, tetramelhs epitroph elegktwn ths ``OLAF'', episkefqhke thn EYP, elegje ola ta dikaiologhtika kai ths gnwstopoihse eggrafws oti ola eixan kalws. Apo ta mnhmoneyomena sto sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma mono h thlexeirizomenh kamera eixe agorastei me xrhmatodothsh apo thn ``OLAF''. Ta ypoloipa ylika eixan agorastei apo ton egkekrimeno proypologismo gia ta olympiaka erga. Aforoysan thn asfaleia twn epikoinwniwn ths EYP kai oydemia sxesh exoyn me ypoklopes thlefwnwn.

SIDERHS: Sto qema twn syllogikwn symbasewn. Yparxoyn diaprepeis nomikoi poy lene oti to Syntagma ths xwras, stereitai pleon ths qemeliwdoys diatajhs toy arqroy 22 par. 2, poy orizei oti me nomo kaqorizontai oi genikoi oroi ergasias kai symplhrwnontai apo tis syllogikes symbaseis. Eseis ta apopoieiste ola ayta. Mesa sto kokalo ths eidhseografias poy mas petajate kai xoreyoyme s` ayto to ryqmo twra, pate na perasete, kata kapoion tropo laqraia thn aporyqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn. Einai etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an mporei na ginei ligo pio katanohto. Apo th lista ti apoysiazei; Sygkekrimena noymera, ta opoia den xrhsimopoioysan sygkekrimena proswpa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton: Den yparxei kanenas ariqmos. Deyteron: Den yparxei etaireia eite einai foreas eite dhmosios organismos eite ypoyrgeio eite oxi. Triton: Yparxoyn ta onomata sta opoia antistoixoysan sygkekrimenoi ariqmoi thlefwnwn. Gia paradeigma : Sth Nea Dhmokratia, anaferontai dyo thlefwna, ta opoia omws den ta eixan proswpa alla ta eixe h Nea Dhmokratia, ws nomiko proswpo, ws organismos, ws komma kai ta dieqete apo kairoy eis kairon se diaforetika proswpa. Den anaferontai ta proswpa poy xrhsimopoioysan ayta ta thlefwna.

IWANNOY: Ara kai stoys organismoys poy lete@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei to idio, opoy den anaferame proswpa. Emeis milhsame gia proswpa opoy htan taytopoihmeno oti ayton ton ariqmo ton xrhsimopoiei ena sygkekrimeno proswpo. Opoy htan se etaireia h se epixeirhsh eite se komma eite se allo organismo eite se ypoyrgeio h htan thlefwna poy xrhsimopoioyntai apo diaforetika proswpa kaqe fora, anaferqhkan mono oi ariqmoi. Eipame paradeigmatos xarin: Eji thlefwna apo to tade ypoyrgeio, tria apo to deina k.o.k.

POYLIDOY: Sygnwmh, alla qelw na dieykrinisw kati. Ara, pws eiste bebaios oti ta onomata poy anaferqhkan den ekanan xrhsh twn thlefwnwn poy exete eseis ta noymera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite. Moy eipwqhkan onomata poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me th lista.

POYLIDOY: Nai, alla mporei na xrhsimopoioysan thlefwna poy exete eseis sth lista.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai. Thlefwna ths Neas Dhmokratias na xrhsimopoiei stelexos toy PASOK, mallon ligo dyskolo to briskw.

POYLIDOY: Nai, alla yparxoyn kai stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, poy mporei na xrhsimopoioysan ta thlefwna poy lete, h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn giati ayta ta thlefwna edidonto apo kairoy eis kairon se alla proswpa.

POYLIDOY: Malista. Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Mhpws wrimasan jafnika oi synqhkes kai shmera blepoyme na apodidete idiaiterh emfash sthn anagkh leitoyrgias toy qesmikoy plaisioy; Dioti ean eixate pantote thn idia epilogh, fantazomai oti qa eixate emplejei sthn istoria thn Arxh Prostasias Aporrhtoy, to opoio den kanate. Ara, h emfash sto qesmiko plaisio pote wrimase;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws ennoeite thn Arxh Diasfalishs Aporrhtwn Epikoinwniwn. Den einai h qesh moy na kanw maqhma edw se ayth thn aiqoysa. Qa pw merika apla pragmata, ta opoia, pisteyw, oti einai paradekta apo oloys.

Oi Anejarthtes Arxes se mia Dhmokratia dytikoy typoy, opws einai h dikh mas, epiteloyn polloys roloys. O basikoteros rolos toys einai h prostasia toy polith apo tyxon apofaseis toy kratoys h twn kratikwn leitoyrgwn, oi opoies qa parabiazan ta dikaiwmata toy. Edw den exoyme parabiash dikaiwmatwn enos opoioydhpote polith gia na prosfygei sthn Anejarthth Arxh, exoyme parabiash dikaiwmatwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios prosfeygei sth Dikaiosynh.

To deytero shmeio: Osoi anaferontai sthn Arxh -me sebasmo anaferomai se kaqe Anejarthth Arxh kai to gnwrizete apo ayth thn aiqoysa, alla kai ektos aiqoyshs- qewroyn oti h Arxh einai panw apo th Boylh h panw apo toys ypoloipoys qesmoys. Oi Arxes problepontai apo to Syntagma mas, apo to opoio kaqorizetai o tropos me ton opoio epilegontai ta proswpa poy stelexwnoyn aytes tis Arxes. H Dhmokratia mas omws exei treis ejoysies, h mia twn opoiwn epese qyma parakoloyqhshs. Kai apeyqynqhke sth deyterh ejoysia gia na diereynhsei thn ypoqesh. Ara, loipon, apo toys pylwnes ths dhmokratias mas, oi dyo pylwnes -poy einai oi anwteroi pylwnes apo toys ypoloipoys- einai ekeinoi oi opoioi eneplakhsan sthn ypoqesh. H ektelestikh ejoysia apeyqynqhke sth dikastikh ejoysia. Ayto poy egine htan h diereynhsh, apo th dikastikh ejoysia, kataggeliwn poy ekane h ektelestikh ejoysia. Yparxei, loipon, h prospaqeia dhmioyrgias ths entypwshs oti apajiwse kapoios na asxolhqei me thn Arxh Diasfalishs Aporrhtwn Epikoinwniwn. Oyden analhqestero toytoy. Sas ejhghsa kai prohgoymenws, prwton, thn eyryterh logikh twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn, kai deyteron, oti parhkoloyqeito o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos apeyqynetai sthn Dikaiosynh, ws enan apo toys treis isxyroys pylwnes ths Dhmokratias. Ayto apo mono toy ta leei ola. Ean den eixe apeyqynqei sth Dikaiosynh, tote bebaiws qa mporoyse kaneis na pei ``ma den phgate oyte sth Dikaiosynh, den phgate poyqena, se kamia Anejarthth Arxh''. H Dikaiosynh, omws, den exei rolo katw apo thn Anejarthth Arxh, toylaxiston, sth Dhmokratia mas.

BLAXOS: Phrate ayth th lista apo thn Vodafone me toys anqrwpoys poy parakoloyqoysan. Ayto gia na erqei sthn dhmosiothta, kanonika qa eprepe na to kanei to grafeio Typoy ths Vodafone. Omws, emfanisthkan treis ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi diabasan ayth h lista. Dhladh, phrate to politiko risko, na dwsete mia egkyrothta se ayth th lista. Qelw na jerw ean apokleiete di aytoy toy tropoy na einai kai kapoioi alloi se ayth th lista.

ROYSOPOYLOS:Qa isxye ayto poy lete, ean eixame kanei ayto poy kapoioi zhtoyn shmera: Dhladh, thn epomenh kiolas ths anakalychs ths ypoqeshs, na eixan ginei dhmosies dhlwseis. Mesolabhse xroniko diasthma enteka mhnwn kai mesolabhsan oi ereynes poy ekane h Dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: H Dikaiosynh, dhladh, brhke ean parakoloyqeitai, gia paradeigma, to thlefwno toy k. Karamanlh kai den parakoloyqeitai toy k. Roysopoyloy; Exei texnikes gnwseis h Dikaiosynh gi ayta ta qemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw poio einai to porisma ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs, to opoio, opws gnwrizete, paramenei mystiko. Alla ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai o elegxos poy egine apo tis astynomikes arxes kai katelhje se ayth thn lista, sthn opoia anaferomai.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla ayth th lista sas thn edwse h Vodafone den sas thn edwsan oyte oi dikastikes, oyte oi astynomikes arxes. Ayto eipate twra eseis. Oti den gnwrizete to porisma ths proanakritikhs. Ara, h lista ayth den einai sto porisma ths proanakritikhs. Einai sto grafeio Typoy ths Vodafone.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis pws bgazete to symperasma oti den einai sto porisma;

BLAXOS: Giati eseis eipate oti den to gnwrizete. Ara, pws diabasate mia lista poy den gnwrizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to porisma, dioti den mporw na to gnwrizw, opws oyte eseis, oyte kaneis allos.

BLAXOS: Ara, th lista giati th diabazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws bgazete to symperasma oti afoy den to gnwrizw egw, den einai kiolas h lista sto porisma ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs;

BLAXOS: Nai, alla h lista poy diabasate, omws, den exei th sfragida ths egkyrothtas ths dikastikhs ereynas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws bgazete to symperasma oti kati poy den to gnwrizw egw den einai kiolas ekei; Jerete kati perissotero;

BLAXOS: Lew oti h lista poy diabasate den exei th sfragida ths egkyrothtas ths dikastikhs ereynas, exei th sfragida ths Vodafone.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eginan, loipon, ereynes apo tis dikastikes kai astynomikes arxes.

BLAXOS: Kai mia deyterh erwthsh: Pote h kybernhsh emaqe gia thn aytoktonia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo thn prwth stigmh anaferqhke to qema.

BLAXOS: Kai kaneis den ypociasthke oti mporei ayto to pragma na syndyazetai me ayth thn istoria twn ypoklopwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola ayta ta stoixeia anaferqhkan sth Dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla h astynomia den phge sto spiti toy na elegjei, ap oti mas lene.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dexomai opoiadhpote erwthsh kai qewrw oti oles oi erwthseis einai kalopistes, kai sas to lew en plhrei eilikrineia. Omws, eilikrina epitrecte moy na kanw ki egw ena rhtoriko erwthma: Prosfeygei kapoios sth Dikaiosynh, se enan apo toys treis pylwnes ths Dhmokratias mas, kai leei oti ``exw ayta ta sygklonistika stoixeia'' ws kataggellomena stoixeia, dhladh, parakoloyqhseis Prwqypoyrgoy, ypoyrgwn kai allwn politwn ths xwras kai en synexeia, eilikrina pisteyete oti ayto den einai to shmantikotero pragma poy eprepe na prajei mia kybernhsh, apo to na to kataggeilei sth Dikaiosynh; Oyte to ``koykoylwse'' h kybernhsh, oyte to ekryce, oyte ekane pws den akoyse, oyte sfyrije adiafora. Phge sth Dikaiosynh. Kai rwtw ws poliths -afoy kanoyme dialogo kai jefygame ligo peran twn erwthsewn kai apanthsewn- ti einai ekeino to opoio qa eprepe na kanei h kybernhsh; H Dikaiosynh einai enas apo toys treis basikoys pylwnes ths Dhmokratias. Anarwtiemai, giati oloi aytoi poy -sto bwmo aplws toy politikoy entypwsiasmoy- epitiqentai sth kybernhsh gia ``to ti ekane, giati to ekane ayto, giati ekane to allo''. Ti allo, dhladh, eprepe na kanei; Qelw na skefqei enas aplos poliths poy me akoyei twra, ean exei mia kataggelia den phgainei sth Dikaiosynh; Mporeite na moy peite, sas parakalw h na skefqeite monoi sas sta spitia sas aytoi poy me blepete ayth thn wra, nomizete oti kanate laqos, poy phgate sth Dikaiosynh; Dioti ayto einai poy kapoioi prospaqoyn na mas peisoyn. Oti htan laqos poy h kybernhsh kinhqhke, phgainontas sth Dikaiosynh. Kai pragmatika anarwtiemai, oxi mono ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos, alla kai ws Ellhnas poliths.

BLAXOS: Otan, loipon, exoyme mia ypokloph toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai exoyme kai mia aytoktonia poy exei kataggelqei apo thn prwth stigmh, pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti enw h kybernhsh phge sth Dikaiosynh, den eginan amesws ereynes astynomikes h dikastikes gia na doyn ean ayth h aytoktonia syndyazetai me to qema twn ypoklopwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, pws to jerete oti den yphrjan;

BLAXOS: Mas to lene oi goneis. Oti phgan leei aytoi to kompioyter@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti h dikastikh ereyna einai mystikh. Den mporei na gnwrizei kapoios ti exei ereynhsei h Dikaiosynh.

SIDERHS: Bebaia, atyxes to paradeigma giati o mesos poliths den exei mhxanismoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Kyritshs perimenei toylaxiston mish wra shkwnontas to xeri toy gia erwthseis.

KYRITSHS: Anaferqhkate sthn ektelestikh ejoysia, sthn kybernhsh kai sth Dikaiosynh, alla exw thn entypwsh oti ayth htan mia anafora san na einai dyo pylwnes oi opoioi aiwroyntai. Yparxoyn nomoi oi opoioi kaqorizoyn ton tropo me ton opoio anaferetai h mia ejoysia sthn allh. Den einai ante genika, h ektelestikh ejoysia eidopoihse th dikastikh. Yparxoyn kapoies diadikasies. Krinontas ek toy apotelesmatos ths proanakrisews poy mas eipate oti den bghke tipota, den mporei kaneis na anarwthqei basima an akoloyqhqhkan oi swstes diadikasies h den akoloyqhqhkan, gi` ayto briskomaste se mhdeniko apotelesma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me to ``den bghke tipota'', ennoeite to poios parakoloyqoyse telika; Etsi den einai;

KYRITSHS: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den shmainei omws oti den prepei na ginei mia ereyna apo th Dikaiosynh. Diaprattontai egklhmata, lhsteies kai diejagontai ereynes. Etsi prepei na leitoyrgei ena kratos.

KYRITSHS: H diadikasia htan h problepomenh apo toys nomoys; O tropos me ton opoio kinhtopoihqhke h Dikaiosynh. Ayta ta lene oi nomoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na kanoyme krish an doylece kala h Dikaiosynh; An ekane kala th doyleia ths;

KYRITSHS: Oxi. An h logikh h opoia leei o Prwqypoyrgos, Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs fwnazei ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy kai toy leei, se parakalw koita to ayto, an einai h diadikasia h opoia problepetai apo to Syntagma kai toys nomoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Problepetai. Mhn jexname poioi einai oi qesmoi ston topo mas. Mhn jexname thn ierarxia sth xwra mas.

KYRITSHS: Sto maraqwnio briefing ths perasmenhs Pempths, o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs eipe oti an den eixe erqei o k. Korwnias na mas to pei, den qa epairne kaneis xampari. Toytoy doqentos sto mellon kai me dedomeno oti exei energopoihqei o nomos o opoios problepei parakoloyqhseis kai katagrafes, qa mporei kaneis na to parei xampari; Me poio tropo diasfalizetai an den mporoyse na to diasfalisei o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs kai mas leei oti an den mas to elege h Vodafone den qa to epairne kaneis xampari; Ti exete kanei ektote gia na to diasfalisete ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti efoson kriqei pws xreiazetai kapoia symplhrwsh sto qesmiko mas plaisio, ayth qa ginei. Se kaqe periptwsh gnwrizete oti h arxh sthn opoia anaferqhkame toses polles fores, exei to dikaiwma na kanei elegxoys stis etaireies thlefwnias, kinhths h staqerhs, ana pasa stigmh qelei. Ean yparxei opoiodhpote keno se ayto to kommati, kai ayto qa symplhrwqei.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na rwthsw ean kata th diarkeia ths proetoimasias twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn h kata th diarkeia ths telesews toys eginan parakoloyqhseis me kratikh eyqynh, apo tis etaireies kinhths thlefwnias gia ton OTE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Se kaqe periptwsh, yparxoyn diadikasies entos toy plaisioy toy nomoy. Ean synebh kati tetoio, poy den to gnwrizw, eimai bebaios oti synebh entos toy plaisioy toy nomoy.

XIWTHS: Treis meres meta th synenteyjh twn triwn Ypoyrgwn, esas kai twn allwn dyo, den exoyme katalabei akomh pws ajiologei h kybernhsh th stash ths etaireias kinhths thlefwnias. Akoysa ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs na leei oti o dieyqynwn symboylos apedeije mia ypeyqynh stash. Diabasa ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs na leei oti an den proebaine sthn apokaqhlwsh toy logismikoy, isws ftaname stoys enoxoys. Eseis thn Paraskeyh poy erwthqhkate, hsastan kapoy anamesa stis dyo. Telikws h kybernhsh pws ajiologei th stash ayths ths etaireias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ``piqanon'' to eipa kai thn prohgoymenh Pempth -ean diabaste th synenteyjh qa deite oti apo thn prwth kiolas stigmh eixe anaferqei- opws epishs eipa kati to opoio symplhrwse o k. Boylgarakhs, otan o k. Boylgarakhs anaferqhke sth sygkekrimenh prajh ths gnwstopoihshs sthn politeia. Dioti opws symplhrwse o idios o k. Boylgarakhs, endexomenws qa mporoyse na mhn to pei. Ayto omws se kamia periptwsh, opws eipwqhke apo thn prwth kiolas hmera, den shmainei oti an yparxoyn eyqynes, aytes oi eyqynes den prepei na apodoqoyn. Pio jekaqara ap` o,ti exei eipwqei apo ekeinh thn prwth mera, den mporei na eipwqei. Eipame oloi oi ypoyrgoi apo thn prwth mera oti einai qema ths Dikaiosynhs.

SOYGLERHS: Hqela na rwthsw, meta thn anakalych aytoy toy skandaloy, apo dw kai katw gia thn afereggyothta twn thlepikoinwniwn oxi mono ths Vodafone alla kai ths Telestet kai ths Cosmote, poios thn exei apo dw kai pera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, oti yparxoyn kapoioi nomoi s` ayto ton topo. Yparxoyn oi entetalmenoi gia na throyn toys nomoys. Exoyn ypoxrewseis oi idies oi epixeirhseis. Exoyn dikaiwmata kai ypoxrewseis oi yphretoyntes to nomo. Exei dikaiwmata h arxh diasfalishs aporrhtoy epikoinwniwn. Epanalambanw, ean yparxei opoiodhpote qesmiko keno, ayto qa symplhrwqei.

KAKALHS: Symfwna me eggrafo ths Arxhs Diasfalishs toy Aporrhtoy twn Epikoinwniwn poy dhmosieyetai shmera se filokybernhtikh efhmerida, to prwto ejamhno toy 2004, ginotan mazikes parakoloyqhseis, panw apo 500, mesw twn etaireiwn kinhths thlefwnias, pragma poy shmainei oti eixan energopoihmena ta systhmata parakoloyqhshs aytes oi etaireies, apo thn arxh toy 2004.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, ennoeite oti yparxei eggrafo ths ADAE poy leei oti ginontan parakoloyqhseis;

KAKALHS: Nai, to dhmosieyei shmera o ``Eleyqeros Typos''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

KAKALHS: Me bash ayto to eggrafo@

ROYSOPOYLOS: To dhmosieyma to eida, alla den gnwrizw an yparxei kati to opoio na exei th barythta poy epishmainete. An dhladh, h anejarthth arxh exei kataggeilei oti yphrjan parakoloyqhseis thlefwnwn.

KAKALHS: Safws ayto leei oti hdh ginontan parakoloyqhseis mesw twn etaireiwn kinhths thlefwnias, me bash to nomo, ennoeitai, me dikastika boyleymata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, lete kati allo. Milate gia nomimh diadikasia.

KAKALHS: Safws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H diatypwsh sas htan oti egine paranomh diadikasia kai th gnwrize h Arxh Diasfalishs.

KAKALHS: Egw lew oti me bash to nomo, me dikastika boyleymata ginontan, alla taytoxrona deixnei oti eixan nomima energopoihsei ta systhmata parakoloyqhshs aytes oi etaireies kinhths thlefwnias. To zhthma gia thn kybernhsh einai oti apla parabiasthkan ta dikaiwmata toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Otan parakoloyqoyntai oi ypoloipoi polites den yparxei qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia oloys toys polites yparxei qema. Pws den yparxei qema; Otan ginetai kati paranomo fysika kai yparxei. Kai opws eidate prohgoymenws den milhsa mono gia ton Prwqypoyrgo. Alla o Prwqypoyrgos einai enas apo toys prwtoys politikoys paragontes.

KAKALHS: Oi nomimes parakoloyqhseis einai kales, oi kakes einai aytes poy strefontai kata ths kybernhshs mas lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai. Ean sxediazei kapoios na balei bomba sto press room kai na apodekatisei th dhmosiografikh oikogeneia kai ton omiloynta, bebaiws kai efoson o nomos to epitrepei gia logoys eqnikhs asfaleias@

TSIODRAS: Lete oti o Prwqypoyrgos prosefyge sth Dikaiosynh. Entajei swsth kinhsh. Alla yparxei ena poly megalo politiko qema. Apo th stigmh poy parakoloyqeitai o Prwqypoyrgos, h hgesia ths kybernhshs, oi shmantikoteroi Ypoyrgoi, h hgesia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, twn Swmatwn Asfaleias klp, yparxei ena meizon politiko qema se sxesh me thn asfaleia ths xwras. Se ayto to erwthma, to pws dhladh, exei labei metra h Politeia wste na qwrakistei apo tetoioy eidoys parakoloyqhseis, den yparxei politikh eyqynh apo meroys ths kybernhshs; Dhladh, jemplekei me to oti ``mas parakoloyqhsan paidia, ti na kanoyme, pame sth Dikaiosynh'' kai jemplejame; Deyteron, eipate prin apo ligo se sxesh me tis nomimes parakoloyqhseis, an sxediazei kapoios na balei bomba sto press room ktl me toys dhmosiografoys. Mporeite na mas peite me poio krithrio kapoios qewreitai ek twn proterwn ypoptos wste na parakoloyqeitai to thlefwno toy mhn tyxon kai balei bomba;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw an einai agnoia. En pash periptwsei fantazei entypwsiakh h erwthsh sas, alla nomizw oti mallon agnoeite thn pragmatikothta.

TSIODRAS: Se poio zhthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean yparxoyn ekeines oi epishmes Arxes se mia Politeia, sthn opoia kai eseis kai egw exoyme epilejei na zoyme, sebomenoi toys nomoys kai oi arxes aytes exoyn thn opoiadhpote plhroforia h opoia peisei ton Eisaggelea oti prepei na arqei to apolyto ths epikoinwnias toy kyrioy X, tote eseis ti pisteyete; Oti prepei na mhn arqei to aporrhto ths epikoinwnias; Den katalabainw to erwthma sas. Exoyme epishmes Arxes, exoyme nomoys. Me bash aytoys toys nomoys, mia apo tis epishmes Arxes poy einai ypeyqynes gia thn asfaleia toy topoy, mporei na apeyqynqei ston Eisaggelea kai na zhthsei thn arsh aporrhtoy epikoinwniwn, episynaptontas kapoia stoixeia. O Eisaggeleas apofasizei. Den apofasizw oyte egw, oyte eseis. Den apofasizei dhladh, ena politiko proswpo. Den apofasizei enas opoiosdhpote asxetos. Apofasizei aytos poy exei taxqei apo thn ellhnikh Politeia na diafylassei toys nomoys.

TSIODRAS: Jeroyme oti yparxoyn ek twn proterwn ypoptoi. Dhladh, qelw na pw to ejhs: Oti ston katalogo etsi opws exoyn ta pragmata, nomizw oti an den yphrxan ta onomata toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn melwn ths kybernhshs, peripoy qa qewroysan fysiologiko na parakoloyqoyntai ta thlefwna twn anqrwpwn toy antiejoysiastikoy xwroy, to opoio den einai kaqoloy swsto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw teleiws diaforetikh antilhch. Den qewrw oti mporei na parakoloyqhsei opoiadhpote etaireia to thlefwno toy opoioydhpote polith.

TSIODRAS: Ki egw qewrw ayto akribws. Gi ayto den mporw na fantastw oti yparxei kapoios poy einai ek twn proterwn ypoptos kai prepei nte kai kala na parakoloyqeitai to thlefwno toy, mhpws balei bomba h mhpws kanei kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gi ayto kai yparxoyn eisaggeleis, gia na apofasisoyn ean einai ikana ta stoixeia poy qa paradwsoyn oi armodies Arxes ston Eisaggelea gia na arqei to aporrhto h oxi. Kai ayto den to apofasizei oyte Proedros ths Dhmokratias, oyte o Prwqypoyrgos, oyte o ypoyrgos, oyte o boyleyths. Einai apofash sygkekrimenwn pylwnwn ths Dhmokratias.

TSIODRAS: Pisteyw oti ayto ginetai mesa apo adiafaneis diadikasies kai oti yparxei mia sygkekrimenh omada politwn poy parakoloyqoyntai monimws. Alla, ayto einai allhs tajews qema kai den qa to lysoyme edw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati den to kataggellete ston eisaggelea h giati den to grafete; Exete th grafida ths ejoysias poy einai arketa isxyrh. Gracte ta sygkekrimena stoixeia poy exete kai eimai bebaios oti qa parembei o Eisaggeleas, otan gracete oti egine parakoloyqhsh toy tade kai toy tade, paranomws. Se mia syntetagmenh koinwnia zoyme, nomoi yparxoyn, eisaggeleis yparxoyn. Giati den dokimazete;

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me thn politikh eyqynh, poy sas rwthsa. Gia thn politikh eyqynh ths kybernhshs, otan fainetai ena kratos entelws anoxyrwto apenanti stoys opoiosdhpote ypoklopeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kante eleyqera opoia krish qelete.

SIDERHS: Ta eyshma poy apedwse o k. Boylgarakhs sthn etaireia. Den dikaioymaste na ypoqesoyme oti sas exei pei perissotera ap` o,ti mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na ypoqesw kati allo; Oti eiste apwn apo olh th diadikasia edw, thn Pempth kai thn Paraskeyh: Kai mono oti kanate th diatypwsh ``ta eyshma poy apedwse sthn etaireia''.

BLAXOS: Otan se enan anqrwpo paei kapoios kai toy leei jereis kati, toso kairo soy parakoloyqoysan to thlefwno, to pio fysiologiko poy toy erxetai sto myalo einai na pei, ti eipa olo ayto to diasthma, gia na dei ean mporei na xrhsimopoihqei enantion toy. Otan, loipon, anakoinwqhke ston Prwqypoyrgo oti toy parakoloyqoysan to thlefwno, skefqhke oti exei pei kati sth diarkeia aytwn twn hmerwn, poy qa mporoyse katw apo proypoqeseis na xrhsimopoihqei politika enantion toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Skefqhke oti qa eprepe h ypoqesh na paei sth Dikaiosynh. Ayto skefqhke o Prwqypoyrgos kai ayto ekane.

MPOTSARAKOS: H kybernhsh mas eipe oti ta stoixeia poy doqhkan, afoy sthn oysia eixe apenergopoihqei to logismiko, den mporoysan na odhghsoyn stoys drastes. Swsta exw katalabei mexri edw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipe oti einai piqanon na mporoysan na odhghsoyn.

MPOTSARAKOS: Piqanon na mporoysan. Profanws den mporoyn afoy den yparxoyn ta stoixeia toy logismikoy. Leei o k. Korwnias oti den katestrece kanena stoixeio kai ta edwse ola sth Dikaiosynh. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den eipe oti katestrece kapoio stoixeio. Ekeino poy eipwqhke einai oti afaireqhke to logismiko. Den katastrafhke. To logismiko -apo thn prwth hmera, parakalw janadiabaste ekeinh thn synenteyjh, to eipe o k. Boylgarakhs eyqews- fylassetai sta arxeia. To eipe. Den to eipe thn epomenh h thn meqepomenh. To eipe ekeinh thn prwth stigmh. Ekeino to opoio dhlwsame, epishs apo thn prwth stigmh, einai oti einai piqanon ean den eixe afaireqei to logismiko, opote ``katalaban'' oi 14 h 16 syskeyes oti kati mesolabhse kai xalase to systhma parakoloyqhshs, tote efoson htan en leitoyrgia, einai piqanon na mporoysame na odhghqoyme stoys drastes, sta shmeia, mallon, poy htan topoqethmenes oi syskeyes.

BLAXOS: Se ayto prosdidete dolo h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kai allh erwthsh o k. Mpotsarakos.

BLAXOS: Dieykrinistika: Prosdidete dolo sto gegonos oti kophke;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai bebaio oti qa me kathgorhsoyn oi synadelfoi sas oti den prostateyw to dikaiwma toys na kanoyn erwthseis.

MPOTSARAKOS: Den mas exete pei, ean exei ginei apologismos prwton, toy kostoys twn parakoloyqhsewn. Dhladh, ti eidoys mystika mporei na gnwrizan aytoi poy parakoloyqoysan; Ean gnwrizan kai proswpika mystika, kai ean yparxoyn kataggelies apo proswpa poy ek twn ysterwn emaqan oti parakoloyqoyntan ean kapoio apo ayta ta proswpa exei pei oti ton ekbiazan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei teqei h idia erwthsh thn Pempth, thn eqese apo esas toys dhmosiografoys kai gia ta eqnika qemata kai malista thn eqese o antapokriths ths ``Liberation'' kai toy apanthsa.

MPOTSARAKOS: Gia to qema toy ekbiasmoy den exete apanthsei. Den yparxoyn tetoies kataggelies gia ekbiasmo, epeidh aytoi poy parakoloyqoysan gnwrizan proswpika mystika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poion na exoyn ekbiasei;

MPOTSARAKOS: Politika proswpa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qewrw adianohto na exoyn ekbiasei politika proswpa. En pash periptwsei, ean kapoio politiko proswpo dexqei thn opoiadhpote tetoia piesh, eimai apolytws bebaios oti qa kanei ayto poy prepei na kanei.

KYRITSHS: Giati h kybernhsh ejakoloyqei kai xrhsimopoiei kinhta thlefwna twn idiwtikwn etaireiwn kai eidika ths Vodafone afoy exei diapistwqei oti yphrje sobaro problhma asfaleias kai den xrhsimopoiei thlefwna ths Cosmote poy einai kratikh etaireia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat arxas, den jerw, eseis pws jerete poia thlefwna xrhsimopoiei h kybernhsh.

KYRITSHS: Den fainetai; Den exete thlefwna Vodafone;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw, pws jerete eseis, poia thlefwna xrhsimopoiei h kybernhsh. Kai ean me th lejh kybernhsh, ennoeite toys ypoyrgoys, toys yfypoyrgoys@

KYRITSHS: Fainetai apo ta tessera prwta chfia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Th lista qelete;

KYRITSHS: Den qelw th lista. Rwtw@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo to thlefwno enos ypoyrgoy poy jerete, blepete poias etaireias einai. Me aythn ennoia to lete.

KYRITSHS:Nai. Kai genika giati den protimate thn kratikh Cosmote.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to kratikh, den apantw giati den einai kratikh, opws gnwrizete. Se o,ti afora to prwto, egw xrhsimopoiw kinhta thlefwna diaforetikwn etaireiwn kai diaforetikhs texnologias, kaqe fora.

KYRITSHS: Ta qewreite ola ejisoy asfalh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai gi ayto to qema erwthqhkame kai apanthsame thn prohgoymenh Pempth.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kata kairoys, exoyme dei ston Typo kyriws ston ebdomadiaio Typo reportaz ta opoia einai pragmati apokalyptika kai endexomenws na emperiexoyn kai to stigma ths alhqeias, alla reportaz gia na ta dhmosiopoihsei kapoios prepei na exei poly egkairh plhroforhsh mesa apo to periballon toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Anaferomai se reportaz poy aforoyn ta proswpika dedomena toy Prwqypoyrgoy, fwtografies poy trabixqhkan se perierga merh, se idiwtikes stigmes toy Prwqypoyrgoy k.lp. Qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Qewreite apo th dhmosiografikh qesh kai bebaiws thn kybernhtikh apoch sas, ayta ta reportaz qa mporoysan na apotelesoyn proion thlefwnikwn ypoklopwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta reportaz na apotelesoyn proion ajiopoihshs; Dhladh, na pei kapoios diabasa ena reportaz tetoio sto thlefwno;

PAPAGIANNHS: Oxi. Na pei kapoios synetaje ena tetoio reportaz, giati kapoios moy edwse poly egkyrh plhroforhsh mesa apo to periballon toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai san na me bazete na krinw ton tropo me ton opoio kanoyn reportaz oi dhmosiografoi, h bgazoyn fwtografies oi fwtografoi. Ayta einai dhmosia, emfanh, den xreiazetai na kanw sxolio. Epeidh diabasa sxedon ws kathgoria oti h synenteyjh ths Pempths dihrkese dyo wres -akoma kai shmera to diabazw ws kathgoria enantion twn ypoyrgwn- den qelw na kathgorhqw oti to briefing shmera dihrkese mia wra. Mhn breqw egw na eimai ypeyqynos.

SIDERHS: Oxi, eipate th mish alhqeia. Kathgorhqhkate giati dyo wres kai den apanthsate se tipota. Gi ayto kathgorhqhkate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa oti epi dyo wres miloysan oi ypoyrgoi, dyo wres synenteyjh, kai giati treis wres k.lp.

BLAXOS: Se synexeia ths prohgoymenhs apanthshs sas oti den ean den eixe kopei to logismiko isws na eixame fqasei. Se ayth th diakoph toy logismikoy dinete dolo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Dikaiosynh qa apofanqei. Den qa kanw kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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