Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-07

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Aqhna, 7 Febroyarioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, poy asxolhqhke me qemata deyterobaqmias ekpaideyshs. H armodia ypoyrgos k. Marietta Giannakoy proebh se sxetikes dhlwseis.

Qa hqela na kanw ena dieykrinistiko sxolio, sxetika me kati poy eipwqhke apo emena xqes, se apanthsh erwthshs gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph: ``H kybernhsh, synephs stis arxes kai stis ajies ths, idiws enanti toy Koinoboylioy, proteine th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, amesws meta thn oloklhrwsh ths dikastikhs ereynas. Kai toyto dioti, opws apo thn periodo ths antipoliteyshs exoyme pleistakis dhlwsei, ofeiloyme na afhnoyme aperispasth th Dikaiosynh na oloklhrwnei xwris proskommata to ergo ths, otan malista ayto exei eiselqei sth fash ths poinikhs diwjhs. Dhladh, sth fash ths oristikhs dialeykanshs ths ypoqeshs. Ayto apoteloyse kai apotelei pagia praktikh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den einai orqo ayto poy eipwqhke apo emena xqes, oti o kanonismos ths Boylhs den to epitrepei. Einai profanes oti prokeitai peri frastikoy laqoys. To profanes prokyptei apo to oti sth dhlwsh moy ths Kyriakhs, me thn opoia anakoinwsa th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, elega ayta ta opoia sas eipa kai twra. Ws ek toytoy, to shmeiwnw gia na ginei h aparaithth dieykrinish kai na anaferqei sta praktika toy xqesinoy briefing parenqetika oti egine shmera epanorqwsh''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kykloforoyn shmera entones fhmes gia anasxhmatismo. Yparxei kati poy plhsiazoyme ston anasxhmatismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To mono entono poy yparxei shmera, einai ta kairika fainomena.

BLAXOS: Egw lew na diagrafei h erwthsh apo ta praktika kai na sas afhsoyme eleyqeroys na kanete anasxhmatismo.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo ayth th dieykrinish poy kanete twra, sxetika me thn Ejetastikh, synepws o logos gia ton opoio den kanete dekto to aithma efoson den yparxei as to poyme asymbibasto, mporei kai h dikastikh ereyna na einai se ejelijh kai h Ejetastikh Epitroph sth Boylh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei nomiko kwlyma. Kai h olh dieykrinish egine epeidh egine frastiko laqos xqes. Kata ta loipa, an sas diabasw to ti eipa thn Kyriakh sth grapth moy dhlwsh kai to ti exoyme pei se oles tis dhlwseis poy exoyme kanei kata kairoys eite sthn antipoliteysh eite sthn kybernhsh se antistoixa qemata, h frash, h aitiologhsh poy akoloyqei mia tetoia politikh einai pantote h idia. Na afietai aperispasth h Dikaiosynh na kanei to ergo ths. Antilambaneste oti otan leitoyrgoyn h Ejetastikh Epitroph kai h Dikaiosynh parallhla, edw qa mporoysan na yparxoyn problhmata perispasmoy toy enos kai toy alloy.

BLAXOS: Mporeite na mas peite, na mas apokalycete ti sas eipe o k. Korwnias, otan anaferqhke sto qema ths aytoktonias toy stelexoys ths Vodafone;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na apokalycw tipote perissotero. Eipa, oti paroysia kai toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs kai toy Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, eteqh kai ayto to qema. Anaferqhke kai ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Me poia logikh anaferqhke; Jerete, aytoktonhse kai ena stelexos mas; H aplws oti syndeetai me tis ypoklopes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw na synebh me th deyterh logikh. Den hmoyn parwn. Aplws aneferqh to qema. Ekeino to opoio exei eipwqei hdh einai oti exoyn ginei endelexeis ereynes apo tis astynomikes arxes.

BLAXOS: Den rwthse dhladh kaneis ton k. Korwnia, ``giati mas to lete''; Kai an eixe o aytoxeiras kapoia emplokh me tis ypoklopes; Den yphrje estw ayth h periergeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an prepei na milaei kapoios gia periergeia, otan oi astynomikes arxes kanoyn endelexh ereyna gia to qema kai ayto exei anakoinwqei kai epishma apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs. Den milame gia periergeia, milame gia ereyna.

BLAXOS: Eseis, giati k. Ypoyrge, mazi me toys alloys dyo ypoyrgoys, sthn peribohth synenteyjh Typoy den mas eipate tipote gia thn aytoktonia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh apo xqes sto erwthma sas.

BLAXOS: Oxi, gi` ayto den exete apanthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Yparxei allo erwthma, apo allon dhmosiografo; Giati pente erwthseis apo enan dhmosiografo, nomizw oti einai laqos na to dexomai.

BLAXOS: Giati einai laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati katanta na ginetai mia proswpikh synenteyjh kai den einai to briefing proswpikh synenteyjh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Exei eikona h kybernhsh, gia to poioi telika, ekanan tis ypoklopes, meta apo olh ayth th syzhthsh poy eixe kai me ton k. Korwnia kai apo thn proanakritikh ereyna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai gi ayto to qema, exw erwthqei. Den exw na pw tipote kainoyrgio. Isxyei o,ti exw pei aytes tis hmeres.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh omws akoygontai para polla kai exoyn anazwpyrwqei toylaxiston ta senaria poy milane gia aytonomhmena kentra mystikwn yphresiwn se synergasia me kapoioys en Elladi, Ellhnes epixeirhmaties.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Allh erwthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto to sygkekrimeno senario, eseis den to yioqeteite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto to qema exw apanthsei. Allh erwthsh.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mas apanthsate, alla egw qa epimeinw ligo. Einai dynaton, na erxetai o k. Korwnias, na zhtaei mia synanthsh sto Majimoy, sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, na apokalyptei ena megalo skandalo, oti o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, ypoyrgoi, se krisima malista kybernhtika posta, alla politika stelexh kai alloi 30 polites, htan ypo parakoloyqhsh. Kai parallhla, thn prohgoymenh hmera yphrje kai mia aytoktonia kai aplws den dwsate idiaiterh shmasia se ayto to qema; To phrate elafra th kardia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws to lete ayto;

KORAH: Ayto symperainw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati ayto einai momfh etsi opws thn apeyqynate kanontas logo gia ``elafra th kardia''.

KORAH: Oxi, den kanw kamia momfh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diapistwnw apo thn ekfrash sas, an mh ti allo. Ti ennoeite ``elafra th kardia''; Na epanalabw kai pali oti to qema apo thn prwth kiolas stigmh, phge sth Dikaiosynh; Ayto einai stash poy mporei na synodeytei me to sxolio ``elafra th kardia''; Epitrecte moy, na exw@

KORAH: Syggnwmh, alla exoyme edw kai mia sygkroysh se dikastiko epipedo, exoyme kai mia dhlwsh dikh sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme entelws diaforetikh antilhch ap` ayto to opoio lete.

KORAH: Exoyme omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me ypeyqynothta, me sobarothta, entos toy plaisioy toy qesmikoy ths roloy -to exw pei polles fores kai qa to epanalabw- h kybernhsh antimetwpise to qema apo thn prwth stigmh. Otan loipon, ola ayta ta stoixeia ta opoia edoqhsan, estalhsan amesws sth Dikaiosynh me prosklhsh enwpion toy Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy@

KORAH: Kai ekei exoyme mia antiqesh..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Toy kat` ejoxhn armodioy anqrwpoy, poy ekane tis kataggelies, mono gia ``elafra th kardia'' xeirismoys den mporei na milaei kaneis.

KORAH: Exoyme omws kai ton k. Papaggelopoylo, o opoios leei oti molis proxqes emaqe gia thn aytoktonia. Kai exoyme kai ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, o opoios leei oti ``nai kai to eipa kai den to eipa''. Dhladh, ti exei ginei akribws; Einai dynaton;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete thn anesh na kanete opoia sxolia qelete. Den sas to apagoreyei kanenas. Egw sas lew oti h kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh eqese ola ta@

KORAH: Egw qelw to sxolio ths kybernhshs. Ta dika moy ta grafw sthn efhmerida moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh eqese ola ta dedomena. H kybernhsh den kanei sxolia h kanei spaniws. Ekeino to opoio ekane sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh einai oti kinhqhke me poly sygkekrimeno, me poly safh kai qesmiko tropo. Dhladh, apo thn prwth wra, odhghse to qema sth Dikaiosynh. Ean kapoioi -kai den anaferomai proswpika se esas- den ennooyn na to katanohsoyn ayto kai qeloyn na efeyroyn neoys qesmikoys tropoys leitoyrgias toy politeymatos, den exoyn para na to gracoyn, na to poyn, na to anakoinwsoyn. Qesmika me ypeyqynothta kai sobarothta apo thn prwth stigmh eteqhsan ola ta stoixeia poy eixe h kybernhsh sth diaqesh ths, sth Dikaiosynh gia na ta diereynhsei. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs, den exei oloklhrwqei.

KORAH: H apanthsh poy exei doqei mexri stigmhs, gia to qema ths aytoktonias, ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh h qewrei oti prepei na kanei kai kapoies alles kinhseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh anamenei thn oloklhrwsh ths ereynas, apo th Dikaiosynh gia olo to qema.

POYLIDOY: Epanaferw to erwthma toy k. Blaxoy. Afoy loipon den htan ``elafra th kardia'', giati den to anaferate, edw sth synenteyjh Typoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti apanthsa molis xqes.

POYLIDOY: Den apanthsate kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, deite to xqesino briefing. Rwthqhka. Stis prwtes selides twn efhmeridwn grafete shmera tis dhlwseis moy. Se kapoia efhmerida eida kai to kefali moy mesa se mia agxonh, anaferomenos sth dhlwsh poy ekana xqes.

KORAH: Thn ``Eleyqerotypia''. Peite to. Den einai kako.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ayth thn aiqoysa, den kanw diafhmish.

TSIODRAS: Eixate enhmerwqei gia thn aytoktonia apo thn prwth stigmh, otan hrqe o k. Korwnias sto Megaro Majimoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ayto exei apanthqei. Allh erwthsh. Den qa apantw sta idia erwthmata.

TSIODRAS: Ektos an kanw laqos, opote qa me diorqwsete, giati den exw katalabei swsta tis dhlwseis, eixate enhmerwqei apo thn prwth stigmh, omws o armodios dikastikos o opoios xeirizetai to qema, enhmerwqhke gia thn aytoktonia arketo diasthma argotera. Pws ermhneyete ayth kaqysterhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kamia ermhneia gia plhrofories oi opoies grafontai, legontai, akoygontai. Se kaqe periptwsh, ayto poy exw na sas pw einai to idio pragma: Apo thn prwth stigmh enhmerwqhke h Dikaiosynh paroysia toy Eisaggelews toy Areioy Pagoy sto grafeio toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, katopin prosklhsews toy Ypoyrgoy. Egine h kataggelia, h opoia liges wres nwritera sto grafeio toy dieyqynth toy politikoy grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eixe ginei apo ton k. Korwnia.

BLAXOS: Kai gia thn aytoktonia kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. To eipa kai xqes.

KAKALHS: Xarakthrisate thn ypoqesh zhthma meizonos eqnikhs asfaleias, profanws giati parakoloyqoyntan o Prwqypoyrgos kai to miso Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Einai dynaton na afeqei apokleistika sta xeria ths Dikaiosynhs ayth h istoria, me dedomeno oti polles ypoqeseis -kai palaiotera poy eseis eixate kataggeilei ws antipoliteysh, skandala ktl- den eixan pote dialeykanqei mesw ths Dikaiosynhs. H kybernhsh den exei alloys mhxanismoys gia na ftasei se apotelesma, oson afora ton entopismo twn drastwn kai telika einai dynaton na mhn jerei poioi einai oi drastes, meta apo ena xrono;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti proteinete, alla h kybernhsh ofeilei na leitoyrghsei sto plaisio twn qesmwn.

KAKALHS: Ena zhthma eqnikhs asfaleias den diereynatai mono apo th Dikaiosynh. Yparxoyn kai alloi mhxanismoi poy exei sth diaqesh ths h kybernhsh gia ena tetoio meizon zhthma eqnikhs asfaleias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Den jerw poioys mhxanismoys ypainisseste. Sas lew oti h kybernhsh leitoyrghse qesmika.

KYRITSHS: Sth synenteyjh ths perasmenhs Pempths, o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs mas eipe oti to systhma nomimwn synakroasewn den eixe energopoihqei kai me kapoion tropo aytoi oi opoioi ypekleptan, to energopoihsan kai ekanan tis ypoklopes. Taytoxrona h Arxh Diasfalishs toy Aporrhtoy twn Epikoinwniwn exei bgalei ena xarti to opoio milaei mono sto prwto ejamhno toy 2004 gia 500 kai pleon parakoloyqhseis gia diaforoys logoys, oxi mono eqnikhs asfaleias, gia narkwtika kai gia diafora alla. Qelw na rwthsw: Poia yphresia dienergoyse h dienergei aytes tis parakoloyqhseis kat` entolh twn eisaggelikwn arxwn kai me poio logismiko, toylaxiston se ekeinh thn periodo, sto metro poy o k. Boylgarakhs eipe oti to logismiko ayto den eixe energopoihqei nomimws. Pws ginotan parakoloyqhsh afoy ena logismiko to opoio den eixe energopoihqei monimws; Mporeite na moy ejhghsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, apo th stigmh poy ginotan nomimws, den exw na pw tipote perissotero. Deyteron, h armodia yphresia gi` aytes tis ypoqeseis.

KYRITSHS: Poia htan ayth h armodia yphresia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den hrqa gia na kanw maqhma. Kanete kapoio laqos.

KYRITSHS: Ma, den einai qema maqhmatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson yparxei kati to opoio einai nomimo, me rwtate giati einai nomimo h pws egine to nomimo.

KYRITSHS: Den mporeite na mas peite poia yphresia einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew, loipon, jekaqara oti efoson yparxei nomimothta sthn ypoqesh, den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

KYRITSHS: Einai mystiko to poia yphresia kanei tis parakoloyqhseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa. Allh erwthsh.

SIDERHS: Den einai mono entona ta kairika fainomena poy eipate sthn arxh, einai entones kai oi anatimhseis proiontwn poy apo thn arxh toy xronoy eftasan kai to 37%. Mhpws qa prosbale to neofileleyqerismo sas an estiaze ligo thn prosoxh ths h kybernhsh sthn patajh ths aisxrokerdeias poy plhrwnei o aplos kosmos apo to kaqhmerino balantio toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh, to armodio ypoyrgeio me ekatontades -an oxi xiliades- elegxoys, einai na pataxqei h opoia diaqesh aisxrokerdeias, idiws malista meta ton sfodro xionia poy ayjhse tis times se orismena proionta ta opoia eite einai ektos epoxhs, eite einai akomh kai epoxika. Eplhghsan oi kalliergeies twn epoxikwn proiontwn kai etsi ayjhqhkan oi times. H prospaqeia ayth synexizetai.

SIDERHS: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo to apotelesma dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apantw pote se erwthseis peri ikanopoihshs h oxi.

SIDERHS: Den rwthsa gia ton Prwqypoyrgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oses fores kai na me rwtate, gia osa xronia kai na me rwtate.

SIDERHS: To armodio ypoyrgeio einai ikanopoihmeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh moy einai klasika h idia: O exqros toy kaloy einai to kalytero.

TABOYLARH: An kai qewrw shmantikotero to qema ths aisxrokerdeias qa epanelqw sto prohgoymeno gia na rwthsw to ejhs: H Vodafone me anakoinwsh ths yposthrizei, dhlwnei oti den exei sbhsei tipota. Stoys 11 mhnes ths ereynas, ereynhqhkan ola ayta poy eginan save kai yparxoyn ws dedomena;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H prokatarktikh ejetash einai mystikh, opws gnwrizete, apo to nomo.

BLAXOS: Apo thn enhmerwsh poy exete, syndeete thn aytoktonia me tis ypoklopes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei apo xqes.

BLAXOS: Se ayto oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: S` ayto.

BLAXOS: Deyteron. Se qesmiko epipedo, otan apokalyptetai oti enas mhxanismos exei xrhsimopoihqei gia na parakoloyqhsoyn ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ypoyrgwn kai aqwwn politwn@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati; Oi alloi einai enoxoi dhladh; Den katalaba.

BLAXOS: Kala. Anakalw thn ekfrash ``aqwwn''. Kai aplwn politwn. Se qesmiko epipedo, ti kinhseis ekane sto epomeno ameso diasthma ths mias wras apo thn apokalych toy k. Korwnia sto Megaro Majimoy, gia na mplokarei ton mhxanismo ayto, na mhn pane kapoioi anqrwpoi na sbhsoyn ta stoixeia kai na jekinhsei h diadikasia gia na entopisei poioi einai aytoi. Dhladh, ekeino to brady, molis hrqe o k. Korwnias, se posh wra kapoioi anqrwpoi, mphkan sth Vodafone gia na elegjoyn ti exei symbei kai na empodisoyn aytoys poy phgan na sbhsoyn ta stoixeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi kinhseis oi opoies eginan, exoyn anakoinwqei leptomerws. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero. Allh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Mia lejh akoma, giati sas blepw oti enoxleiste poy sas kanw erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kamia enoxlhsh, xara moy. Den fainetai;

BLAXOS: To gegonos oti den apantate, shmainei oti@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete kaqe dikaiwma na kanete opoia erwthsh qelete. Kai bebaiws, exw ypoxrewsh na apanthsw. H ypoxrewsh moy na apanthsw, ejantlhqhke. Sas eipa loipon.

MPASISHS: Sto idio qema. Molis plhroforhqhkate oti yparxei aytos o mhxanismos parakoloyqhshs kapoiwn kinhtwn thlefwnwn, enhmerwsate ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy oti endexomenws na yparxei problhma me ta thlefwna toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi kinhseis poy eginan einai gnwstes, exoyn anakoinwqei.

KAKALHS: Stelexos toy bretanikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, dhlwse xqes oti exei lhfqei apofash gia anejarthtopoihsh toy Kosoboy. Exete ypoch sas ayth thn apofash kai pws topoqeteitai h kybernhsh apenanti s` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kan th dhlwsh ayth. Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai na kanw ena sxolio ayrio.

KYRITSHS: Qa synexisw thn erwthsh toy k. Blaxoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dinei grammh blepw o k. Blaxos kai dejia kai aristera shmera.

KYRITSHS: Den jerw pws na to parw ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai dejia kai aristera.

KYRITSHS: Asxetws toy ti ekane h kybernhsh mesa sthn epomenh wra, emena me endiaferei ti ekane ston enamish xrono o opoios dierreyse apo tote gia na enisxysei to qesmiko plaisio kai toys praktikoys kanones me toys opoioys eite ginontai parakoloyqhseis, eite prostateyontai oi polites. Dioti ej oswn gnwrizw den exei yparjei kati diaforetiko se qesmiko plaisio. Mporeite na moy ejhghsete; Ektos kai an sas fainetai asfalhs h diadikasia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai na einai lanqasmenh diatypwsh o enamishs xronos. Milame gia 11 mhnes. Eipate enamish xrono, ennoeite toys 11 mhnes.

KYRITSHS: Enamish xrono apo tote (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kai sthn eisagwgikh moy anafora - omilia molis thn perasmenh Pempth, oti efoson kriqei -kai me bash th syzhthsh poy ginetai sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias- oti xreiazetai symplhrwsh toy qesmikoy plaisioy, ayto qa ginei.

KYRITSHS: Den exei kriqei; O Prwqypoyrgos parakoloyqeito. Apokleietai na einai sympages kai stereo to oikodomhma twn nomimwn parakoloyqhsewn kai twn paranomwn, efoson yphrxe tetoia diarroh kai parakoloyqeito o Prwqypoyrgos. Pote perimenete na to krinete dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson kriqei oti yparxei opoiodhpote keno sto qesmiko mas plaisio. Giati apantwntas se allh erwthsh sas kai thn Paraskeyh, sas eipa oti yparxoyn nomoi enantion toy egklhmatos, apo arxaiotatwn xronwn. Alla ta egklhmata den stamatoyn. Ean, loipon, kriqei oti yparxei keno sto qesmiko plaisio -kai malista eixa pei oti apo th syzhthsh poy ginetai ayth thn wra sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, endexomenws bgoyn kapoia tetoia stoixeia- tote h kybernhsh qa egkycei sto qema gia na symplhrwsei to opoio qesmiko keno.

BLAXOS: H diakoph toy logismikoy einai egklhmatikh energeia h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw ti energeia einai. Exw kanei, hdh, to sxolio apantwntas se polles erwthseis gia tis piqanothtes poy yphrxan na breqei kati, ean den eixe afaireqei to logismiko. Profanws, ennoeite thn afairesh, th diakoph leitoyrgias toy.

BLAXOS: Ws ek toytoy, pws qa to xarakthrizate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw xarakthrismoys. Exw pei hdh o,ti htan na pw.

KORAH: Oi ``skies'' poy yphrxan, apo thn dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, oti h etaireia edeije ypeyqynh stash, dioti qa mporoyse na exei sbhsei to logismiko kai na mhn sas pei tipota, synexizoyn na yparxoyn. Poia einai h antidrash ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh milhsei kai ekeinh thn hmera kai thn Paraskeyh, isws kai xqes. Kai ayth thn wra milaei o k. Boylgarakhs. Opote, parakalw, na anamenete th dhlwsh toy k. Boylgarakh, ean den thn exei kanei hdh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egine katanohto, toylaxiston shmera, oti eseis energhsate, ws kybernhsh, apo thn prwth stigmh kai odhghsate to qema sth dikaiosynh. Ekeino to opoio den exw antilhfqei kai den mporw na katanohsw einai: Den qewreite oti kaqysterhse h dikaiosynh na epilhfqei toy qematos kai na jekinhsei tis ereynes; Dhladh, enteka mhnes apo th stigmh poy enhmerwqhke apo thn kybernhsh armodiws den qewreite oti einai poly megalos xronos, oytws wste na mporoyn na xaqoyn akomh kai stoixeia h apodeiktiko yliko h diafora alla polytima stoixeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy dinete thn eykairia na janapw oti den yparxei dikaiosynh ``a la carte'', opws thn blepei to PASOK. Eidame xqes to PASOK na epitiqetai, dia dyo ychlobaqmwn stelexwn toy, enantion dikastikwn, eisaggelikwn leitoyrgwn. Otan pro oligwn ebdomadwn ekane proswpikes kriseis stelexos ths N.D., tote polloi miloysan gia epiqesh enantion ths dikaiosynhs. Twra, blepw na grafontai h na akoygontai gia egklish, egkalei th dikaiosynh. Dhladh, otan stelexos toy PASOK omilei enantion ths dikaiosynhs kai enantion leitoyrgwn ths, omiloyme gia egklish, dhladh, sxedon nomimh energeia. Otan to kanei stelexos ths N.D. miloyme gia epiqesh. Ayta ta dyo metra kai dyo staqma den me briskoyn symfwno. Kai epi th eykairia, epishs, na pw oti o k. Papandreoy akoma den apodokimase ta dyo stelexh toy poy epiteqhkan se leitoyrgoys ths dikaiosynhs. To PASOK aplws paramenei to idio. Oi epoxes allazoyn, ta proswpa sthn hgesia toy allazoyn, h qewria allazei, h oysia paramenei h idia. Eixame xqes banaysh epiqesh me aqlioys ypainigmoys enantion leitoyrgwn ths dikaiosynhs. Gi aytoys toys aqlioys ypainigmoys, o k. Papandreoy ekane pws den katalabe, paroti ejepemfqhsan mprosta toy, sth diarkeia toy Politikoy Symboylioy, poy synedriazei kai shmera. Emeis, loipon, gia na kleisw to erwthma sas, den sxoliazoyme th dikaiosynh, den kanoyme kanena sxolio gia leitoyrgoys ths dikaiosynhs h gia th leitoyrgia ths.

KORAH: O k. Markogiannakhs xarakthrise anohto kai agrammato ton k. Lino. Milame, dhladh, gia enan proswpiko xarakthrismo. To PASOK, apo thn allh, askei kritikh stis sygkekrimenes energeies. Gia mia aytoktonia, h opoia syndeetai me ena meizon politiko skandalo, thn parakoloyqhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kai gia thn opoia yparxei mia antiqesh, metajy twn dyo dikastikwn arxwn, gia to an egine h aparaithth ereyna gia th sygkekrimenh aytoktonia, h opoia sysxetizetai me thn parakoloyqhsh h oxi. Dhladh, dyskoleyomai na dw poy mporei na ta syndyazoyme ayta ta dyo qemata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lypoymai pragmatika poy dyskoleyeste. Ean akoygate tis kriseis poy eginan apo ta stelexh toy PASOK enantion toy leitoyrgoy ths dikaiosynhs h ean tis akoygate prosektikotera, mporei kai na mhn dyskoleyosastan. H krish, h opoia egine enantion twn leitoyrgwn ths dikaiosynhs einai oti den ekanan kala ths doyleia toys. Ara, loipon, edw ti toys xrewnoyn; Elleich ikanothtas h alloy eidoys skopimothtes. Se kaqe periptwsh, einai aqlioi -to epanalambanw gia trith fora- oi ypainigmoi poy afhsan ta stelexh toy PASOK. Kai h symperifora twn dyo metrwn kai dyo staqmwn einai safes oti stoys polites ginetai apolytws diakrith. Qelw na pw oti katalabainoyn oi polites. Otan ena stelexos ths N.D. krinei, me adokimo tropo -kai to eipame apo thn prwth stigmh- kai odhgeitai se paraithsh, paraiteitai, exoyme ``epiqesh'' enantion leitoyrgwn ths dikaiosynhs. Otan to kanei ayto ena stelexos toy PASOK, exoyme ``egklish''. Egkaloyn. Epanalambanw, oyte ligo, oyte poly, einai san na toys nomimopoioyme, kiolas. Egw, loipon, qewrw oti den nomimopoieitai tetoioy eidoys energeias, toylaxiston apo apoch politikhs hqikhs.

KORAH: Egw anarwtiemai giati ``aqlioys'' den eixate xarakthrisei kai toys xarakthrismoys poy eixe epifylajei o k. Markogiannakhs gia thn hgesia toy Areioy Pagoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na anarwthqeite to otidhpote qelete. Egw den anarwtiemai tipota perissotero apo ayto to opoio eipa: Oti den mporei kanenas, toylaxiston sthn ellhnikh koinh gnwmh, na qewrei oti dikaiologoyntai ta dyo metra kai dyo staqma. Oso ki an kapoioi prospaqoyn na ta dikaiologhsoyn, eite me prwtoselida, eite aposiwpwntas qemata.

KORAH: Aplws, dyo metra kai dyo staqma xrhsimopoiei kai to PASOK ki eseis, ekei katalhgoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Ti exei kanei h kybernhsh shmera, mia energeia na mas pei, wste na leme oti ayth th stigmh den mporei kapoios na parakoloyqhsei ta thlefwna.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kala kanete kai me rwtate, paroti rwthqhka kai alles fores gi ayto to qema kai thn Pempth erwthqhkame.

BLAXOS: Kai kala na mhn ekana qa sas rwtaga.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete h den kanete kala, en pash periptwsei, h epanalhch htan ayth poy kriqhke ws kalh. Giati; Giati exoyme mia ypoqesh, h opoia den apotelei kanona. Ayth h ypoqesh apotelei ejairesh apo ton kanona. Den shmainei oti kata kanona ginontai diarkws parakoloyqhseis h kata kanona oi epikoinwnies den einai asfaleis.

BLAXOS: Symfwnw se ayto. Alla den eprepe na kanei kamia energeia h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia paradeigma, exoyme ekatommyria -ean oxi disekatommyria- synallages se olo ton planhth kai xiliades -isws ekatontades xiliades- synallages sth xwra mas se systhmata epikoinwniwn, opws ayta poy xrhsimopoioyn oi trapezes. Den shmainei oti ayta parabiazontai kaqhmerinws. H ejairesh einai ekeinh, h opoia ekane to megalo qema kai ta proswpa ta opoia breqhkan na parakoloyqoyntai, sto plaisio ayths ths ejaireshs.

BLAXOS: Ara, moy lete oti den yparxei kapoia energeia sygkekrimenh poy na egine. Ayto moy lete. Giati den moy thn anakoinwnete. Profanws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``energeia sygkekrimenh'';

BLAXOS: Na sas dieykrinisw giati to lew ayto: Dioti yparxoyn dhmoskophseis -tis exete dei ki eseis- poy lene oi polites poy erwtoyntai, poy metexoyn se ayth thn ereyna, oti prwton, h kybernhsh den mas exei pei olh thn alhqeia kai deyteron, aisqanomaste anasfaleis kai den mporoyme na milhsoyme. Kai ayto to aisqhma kaneis den bgainei na to kalycei. Ki eseis eiste o armodios ypoyrgos na peite oti ``jerete kati, exoyme kanei ena-dyo-tria pragmata'' gia na apokleistei oti kapoios den exei parakoloyqhsei to thlefwno kapoioy polith.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na pw loipon: Prwton: Htan ejairesh ayth, den einai o kanonas. Deyteron, thn ypoqesh ayth poy apotelese ejairesh, thn dwsame sth dhmosiothta. Triton: To qema ean exei qesmika kena, protiqemeqa na ta kalycoyme. Na pw, epishs, ena tetarto: Yparxoyn nomoi -opws apanthsa kai ston k. Kyritsh polles fores otan me rwthse- yparxoyn kanones, yparxoyn kanonismoi se oles tis eynomoymenes politeies kai yparxoyn kai kapoioi poy toys parabiazoyn. Ayto einai to diarkes zhtoymeno: Otan exoyme parabiash, na breqoyn aytoi oi kapoioi poy parabiazoyn toys kanones. Opws eipa pleistakis se ayth thn aiqoysa, to egklhma den epitrepetai se kamia politismenh koinwnia, omws egklhmata ginontai. Ayto, loipon, prospaqei h politeia me kaqe tropo. Qelete me th dikaiosynh, me tis astynomikes arxes, me tis ereynes, me ereynes oi opoies emmesws -anaferqhke o k. Kakalhs prohgoymenws- ginontai gia thn apokalych egklhmatikwn drasthriothtwn; Me anejarthtes Arxes; Me mia seira tropwn prospaqei h politeia na diasfalisei ton polith. Den shmainei oti prepei na dhmioyrghqei h entypwsh oti o poliths einai anasfalhs, oyte kaneis leei ayto.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite k. Ekproswpe, den to edwse sth dhmosiothta h kybernhsh. O k. Korwnias hrqe kai sas to eipe. Kanenas apo aytoys toy mhxanismoys den leitoyrghse.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Blaxo, o,ti sxolio exete na kanete kante to sthn thleorash poy ergazeste.

BLAXOS: Oxi, rwtw kai qelw apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den moy kanete erwthsh. Moy lete ti egine.

BLAXOS: Lew, den to apokalyce h kybernhsh, to apokalyce o k. Korwnias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista, antilhch sas.

BLAXOS: Eseis den mas to eipate, oti hrqe o k. Korwnias kai sas to eipe sto Megaro Majimoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipota perissotero. Parakalw mhn epimenete.

BLAXOS: Oxi, giati lete oti einai apoch moy. Eseis mas to eipate, oti hrqe o k. Korwnias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o enas apo toys dyo polites poy synelhfqhsan kai kathgoroyntai gia thn epiqesh kata toy Proedroy ths GSEE k. Polyzwgopoyloy, ergazotan sta ELGA. Xqes, bghke mia anakoinwsh apo ta ELGA sthn opoia anaferetai oti kinhqhke amesa h diadikasia apolyshs toy. Qelw na rwthsw, poia logikh ypagoreyse aythn thn kinhsh sth dioikhsh twn ELGA kai ean exei katarghqei to tekmhrio ths aqwothtas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw poia akribws diadikasia exei kinhqei. Qa enhmerwqw gi ayth thn anakoinwsh twn ELGA, poy moy anaferete. Dystyxws den thn exw dei. Se kaqe periptwsh, oxi, bebaiws, den exei katarghqei to tekmhrio ths aqwothtas. Ean yparxoyn stoixeia, ta opoia strefontai eis baros toy opoioydhpote kai efoson ayto apodeixqei apo thn diereynhsh, qa prepei na katadikastei kai na toy epiblhqoyn oi kyrwseis. Den jerw dioikhtika ti akribws exei ginei kai poia einai h qesh toy sygkekrimenoy anqrwpoy. Kata synepeia, den eimai etoimos na sas apanthsw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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