Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-03

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Aqhna, 3 Febroyarioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, th Deytera stis 12.00, qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Rwsias k. Labrof.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me thn ypoqesh ths aytoktonias toy ypallhloy ths Vodafone, an h kybernhsh syndeei to peristatiko ths parakoloyqhshs me thn aytoktonia, an prokeitai na ginoyn kapoies ereynes, perissoteres ap` aytes poy ypoqetw oti exoyn ginei mexri stigmhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, thn ypoqesh exei analabei h Dikaiosynh, h opoia qa ereynhsei h ereyna h exei ereynhsei kai ayto to qema. Enhmerwqhka apo to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews oti einai alhqes pws yphrje mia aytoktonia atomoy poy ergazotan sth Vodafone. Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, den exw na anaferw tipote perissotero.

TSIODRAS: Exw mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh, se sxesh me ayto poy eipate twra: Ara o fakelos ths aytoktonias einai anoiktos, jananoigei, ti ginetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den sas eipa ayto. Parakalw mh bgazete symperasmata.

TSIODRAS: Oxi, den moy eipate ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews me plhroforhse oti ontws epibebaiwnetai pws yparxei aytoktonia enos sygkekrimenoy anqrwpoy poy ergazotan ekei. Apo ekei kai pera, einai qemata poy aforoyn th Dikaiosynh. Den einai qema toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy na kanei ereyna. Exei ginei mia prokatarktikh ejetash, opws gnwrizete. H Dikaiosynh synexizei na ereyna thn ypoqesh. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, metajy twn thlefwnwn poy parakoloyqoyntan, htan kai to thlefwno toy @Ellhna Epitropoy k. Dhma. Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh otan antelhfqh thn ypoqesh, enhmerwse ton k. Dhma kai thn KOMISION, wste na jeroyn an yparxei problhma asfaleias twn epikoinwniwn sto epipedo ths E.E..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipa kai xqes, enhmerwqhkan elaxista proswpa. Enhmerwqhkan oi amesws emplekomenoi ypoyrgoi, se ena qema eqnikhs asfaleias, gia ena qema, to opoio, epishs opws eipame kai xqes, eixe pacei na yfistatai. Dhladh, h parakoloyqhsh twn thlefwnwn eixe pacei na yfistatai, otan pia enhmerwqhke kai h kybernhsh kai otan eginan aytes oi ereynes.

KYRITSHS: Metajy twn anqrwpwn, metajy twn thlefwnwn, poy opws mas eipate parakoloyqoyntan, yphrxe kai kapoio to opoio anhke se atomo apo to proswpiko ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias. Qelw na moy peite, an gnwrizete, an kinhqhke kapoia diadikasia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kai ti apanthsh edwsan oi amerikanikes arxes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete -to eipe kai o armodios Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs- einai mystikh ejetash. Den mporei na gnwrizei kapoios kai poly perissotero stelexh ths kybernhshs, ti perilambanei h prokatarktikh ejetash.

BLAXOS: Dyo erwthseis. H prwth erwthsh einai dieykrinistikh: O aytoxeiras sth Vodafone, eixe sxesh me to logismiko ths etaireias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Gnwrizw oti ergazotan sthn etaireia. Den gnwrizw leptomereies kai den rwthsa na maqw leptomereies

BLAXOS: Pantws, exei shmasia, an asxoleito me to logismiko ths etaireias. H sygkekrimenh mera poy aytoktonhse. Giati, thn prohgoymenh hmera@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw krish epi ths krisews sas. Egw sas lew oti rwthsa ean epibebaiwnetai to peristatiko, ws aytonomo peristatiko. Kai apo to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews, moy eipan ayto poy sas anefera

BLAXOS: Ek twn pragmatwn, ayth th stigmh h xwra mas, brisketai antimetwph me mia yperdynamh, tis HPA. Yparxei mia orgh apo thn pleyra, ayto diamhnyoyn apantes. Exete akoysei profanws kai tis antapokriseis. Qewroyn oti den exei anameixqei h Amerikanikh Presbeia sthn istoria twn ypoklopwn. Pisteyete oti erxetai qyella stis sxeseis Elladas-HPA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi sxeseis Elladas-HPA, einai kai paramenoyn kales. Den yparxei kanenos eidoys sxesh opws ayth poy perigracate oti erxomaste antimetwpoi klp. Den prokyptoyn apo poyqena ola ayta. Qewrw oti einai mia yperbolikh ektimhsh.

SPYRAKH: Epimenw sto erwthma toy synadelfoy, legontas to ejhs: Oi keraies poy xqes, edoqhsan apo ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajews, perigrafontas to xwro ston opoio briskontan ta staqera kartothlefwna, prosdiorizoyn ena tetragwno sto opoio brisketai kai h Amerikanikh Presbeia. Xqes, h entypwsh poy dhmioyrghqhke apo ta MME, einai oti h kybernhsh ypodeiknyei thn Amerikanikh Presbeia. Isxyei kati tetoio; Sas rwtw eyqews: Ypodeiknyei h kybernhsh thn Amerikanikh Presbeia oti brisketai pisw apo to kyklwma twn parakoloyqhsewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, jekinw apo to teleytaio skelos ths erwthshs sas: Gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai parejhghseis, h apanthsh einai kathgorhmatika, oxi. Deyteron, parathrhseis epi ths erwthsews sas kai epi toy qematos: H kybernhsh anakoinwse, dia stomatos toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajews, xqes sth synenteyjh Typoy, ton ariqmo twn keraiwn kai ta shmeia poy briskontai aytes oi keraies. Sas qymizw oti milhse gia keraies sto Lykabhtto, sthn perij toy Kolwnakioy perioxh, poy eftanan ews toys Ampelokhpoys, dhladh mia apostash oligwn xiliometrwn. Ena, dyo xiliometra, poso mporei na einai ayth h apostash; Se kaqe periptwsh omws, h kybernhsh xqes ofeile na kanei ayto to opoio pisteyei. Kai to pisteyei se ola ta qemata. Dhladh na dwsei ola ta stoixeia ta opoia eixe sth diaqesh ths. Kai edwse ola ta stoixeia sth dhmosiothta, me ton kindyno kapoioi na bgaloyn symperasmata, ta opoia einai makran ths pragmatikothtas. Ta opoia symperasmata einai sto epipedo ths eikotologias, gia to opoiodhpote qema, apo ta texnika zhthmata, mexri ayto poy anaferate eseis. H kybernhsh exei parei safh qesh kai exei milhsei apo xqes gia to qema. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero, ektos toy oti sas eipa: H apofash mas htan, apo thn prwth stigmh, na dwsoyme ola ta stoixeia, ta opoia yparxoyn, sth dhmosiothta. Na ta gnwrizoyn oi Ellhnes polites.

SPYRAKH: Tote, pws ejhgeite thn enoxlhsh ths Oyasigkton; Apotypwqhke, qelw na sas pw, se dhmosies dhlwseis, oxi se reportaz.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Egw den exw apotypwsh enoxlhshs apo kapoia jenh xwra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, omws o ``Leykos Stayros'' exei paijei rolo kai pio palia se prajikophmata kai edw sthn Ellada, tote me ton Iwannidh, ton Papadopoylo kai toys alloys, alla kai meta, sto kypriako prajikophma, ekei lambanontan oi apofaseis, akomh kai gia ton Makario. Yparxei pali o Leykos Stayros se ayth thn ypoqesh. Den sas apasxolei ayto to pragma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia keraia, se ena kthrio sto opoio brisketai h klinikh o ``Leykos Stayros''. Htan mia apo tis keraies tis opoies anakoinwse h kybernhsh oti entopisthke pws htan endiamesoi aytoy toy kyklwmatos ths parakoloyqhshs. Den qelw na kanw peraiterw sxolio. To eipa kai xqes kai qa to pw kai shmera: Den qa kanw peraiterw kriseis. H apoch ths kybernhshs einai oti ofeile na dwsei ola ta stoixeia sth dhmosiothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Omws einai gnwsto oti se ayth thn klinikh, empainan arrwstoi kai ebgainan praktores.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti den qa kanw kanena sxolio epi twn sxoliwn sas.

KAKALHS: H Vodafone entopise kai apokalyce thn ypokloph, enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh kai esbhse ta ixnh. H kybernhsh exei kapoio tropo elegxoy apenanti stis etaireies kinhths thlefwnias; Einai anhmporh; Me poio tropo mporei na eggyhqei oti einai dynath h diasfalish toy aporrhtoy kai qematwn eqnikhs asfaleias, kat` epektash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwtate ta idia pragmata, gia ta opoia rwthqhka kai xqes. Yparxoyn nomoi, yparxoyn kanonismoi. Panw ap` ola einai to Syntagma. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes arxes. Yparxei panw ap` ola h diakrish twn ejoysiwn, h Dikaiosynh h opoia asxolhqhke me to qema. Gia na mhn sas pw omws, oti to apanthsa xqes kai na me rwtate pali ti eipa xqes, sas lew: Ean kriqei, apo tis syzhthseis poy qa ginoyn sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, opoy me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs phgainei to qema, oti xreiazetai peraiterw qesmikh enisxysh, bebaiws kai qa yparjei peraiterw qesmikh enisxysh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla ola ayta poy lete exoyn odhghsei sto gnwsto apotelesma. Dhladh, oti exoyme mia diwjh kat@ agnwstwn. Me alla logia, emfanizetai h kybernhsh na einai anhmporh apenanti se tetoies periptwseis ypoklopwn k.lp.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo arxaiotatwn xronwn, stis politismenes koinwnies toy sygxronoy kosmoy, se oles tis koinwnies, apagoreyetai to egklhma. Yparxoyn nomoi epi nomwn poy apagoreyoyn to egklhma. Den stamathse to egklhma epeidh yparxoyn oi nomoi. Kapoios prepei na einai synexws se egrhgorsh. Kapoios prepei, efoson diapistwnei kena stoys nomoys kai sto qesmiko plaisio na ta diorqwnei, na ta kleinei.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi nomoi poy perigracate isxyan kai tote, otan eginan oi ypoklopes. Gia enteka mhnes@

ROYSOPOYLOS: An apantate sto synadelfo sas, nai, ayto hqela na pw.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, den tis apetrecan, omws, kai twra poy yparxoyn emeis ti na eikasoyme; Oti ejakoloyqoyn na mhn tis apotrepoyn. Ektos an mporeite na mas peite oti kati allaje, etsi wste twra na einai asfaleis oi epikoinwnies. Ayto den jerw an to dieykrinisate xqes kai an to kanate, syggnwmh gia thn epanalhch.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti prepei na eikasete, ayto einai dikh sas doyleia. Kai mallon den einai to yp@ ariqmon ena zhthma ths dhmosiografias na eikazei. Einai ena apo ta periqwria poy exei kapoios otan kanei reportaz, sxolio h analysh.

GKOYTZANHS: To na dhmioyrghqei h entypwsh oti akomh kai twra mporei na parakoloyqoyntai thlefwna, einai kati poy afora kai thn kybernhsh. Den einai mono to ti eikasia kanw egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw an qelete na dhmioyrghsete tetoia entypwsh. Sas eipa oti yparxoyn nomoi, yparxoyn arxes, yparxoyn tropoi me toys opoioys ginontai elegxoi. Kai sas eipa kai kati akoma: To egklhma, apo arxaiotatwn xronwn, apagoreyetai me hqikoys, graptoys kai agrafoys nomoys, me grafes@

GKOYTZANHS: Entajei, meta apo ayto eimai bebaios. Hsyxasa.

MOYRTHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an yparxei gia thn kybernhsh qema plhmmeloys leitoyrgias ths Arxhs Prostasias Thlefwnikoy Aporrhtoy h plhmmelwn elegxwn stis etaireies kinhths thlefwnias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An ennoeite gia thn Arxh Diasfalishs Aporrhtwn Epikoinwniwn, oxi, den prokyptei kati tetoio.

SIDERHS: Mhpws prokeitai na epanaprosdiorisete tis sxeseis toy kratoys me thn kinhth thlefwnia; Ti qelw na pw: Twra o Proedros toy Synaspismoy dinei synenteyjh gia to qema twn ypoklopwn. Prin apo 14 xronia, thn idia mera, o Synaspismos edine synenteyjh gia to qema ths kinhths thlefwnias. O k. Androylakhs, tote, eixe kathgorhsei thn kybernhsh Mhtsotakh oti dinei me proxeiro tropo tis adeies stis etaireies kinhths thlefwnias kai den diasfalizei to aporrhto twn thlepikoinwniwn. Mhpws prepei na epanejetasete tis sxeseis kai ton tropo me ton opoio@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa pragmatika aporia na dw me poio tropo qa janaftaiei h Nea Dhmokratia. Kai sthn erwthsh sas diapistwnw oti gia ena akomh qema -otan h Nea Dhmokratia, ta stelexh ths, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, ypoyrgoi ths Neas Dhmokratias parakoloyqoyntai- me mia poly yperbatikh lektikh anafora ftanoyme na ftaiei h Nea Dhmokratia. Epitrecte moy na pw, ayto poy eipa kai prohgoymenws: Yparxoyn nomoi, yparxoyn qesmoi, yparxoyn diatajeis kai yparxei h dedomenh boylhsh -opws anakoinwqhke- na ginei mia syzhthsh sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Efoson apo th syzhthsh ayth h apo alles syzhthseis, apo protaseis allwn kommatwn, prokycei oti xreiazetai peraiterw qesmikh enisxysh toy hdh yfistamenoy qesmikoy plaisioy, tote ayto qa ginei.

IWANNOY: Ti apanta h kybernhsh sto kyrio epixeirhma poy akoysame apo xqes, oti qa eprepe otan enhmerwqhkate gi@ ayto to gegonos, na prostrejete sthn Anejarthth Arxh Aporrhtoy Thlepikoinwniwn kai oxi na parapemcete sth Dikaiosynh thn ypoqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an ayto einai epixeirhma h aitiash kapoioy. Apantw opws apanthsa kai xqes. Den exei allajei tipota.

IWANNOY: Xqes, akoysame se mia thleoptikh ekpomph oti yparxei ena analogo zhthma me mia allh etaireia kinhths thlefwnias, thn opoia fwtografisan. Efoson den eipwqhke, den thn anaferw kai egw, opoy malista, metajy allwn, eipwqhke oti parakoloyqeito kai to kinhto thlefwno toy k. Koyloyrh kai kapoiwn allwn proswpwn. Qa analabete kapoia prwtoboylia gyrw apo ayto; To gnwrizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

RABANOS: Eipate oti apo thn hmera poy sas anakoinwsan, sas gnwstopoihsan gia thn ypokloph twn thlefwnikwn syndialejewn, stamathsan oi parakoloyqhseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipa kati tetoio.

RABANOS: Eipate oti apo ekeinh thn periodo poy sas gnwstopoihqhke oti ginontan parakoloyqhseis thlefwnikwn syndialejewn, to fainomeno stamathse h kanw laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh. Prohgoymenws eipate ``apo thn hmera''. Twra lete ``apo thn periodo''.

RABANOS: Entajei, mhn pame twra se lektikh@ Poso bebaioi eiste oti apo ekeinh thn periodo mexri shmera jenoi praktores h egxwrioi den parakoloyqoyn @Ellhnes politikoys h epixeirhmaties.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h erwthsh poy moy egine me allo tropo kai apo ton k. Kakalh, ton k. Gkoytzanh k.o.k.

RABANOS: Diabebaiwnete, dhladh, toys polites oti ola einai kala kai oti den yparxoyn parakoloyqhseis thlefwnikwn syndialejewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epimenete sth xoreia ekeinwn poy qeloyn na bgaloyn symperasmata entos toy press-room. @Exete efhmerida kai mporeite na gracete.

RABANOS: Profanws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw exw apanthsei.

BAGIANOS: Na rwthsw ean shmera h kybernhsh epanalambanei pws oi kinhseis toy k. Korwnia htan ypeyqynes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Doqhke apanthsh xqes kai malista exei anaferqei safws toso o k. Boylgarakhs oso kai egw. Epishs, exei safws anaferqei oti otan to qema brisketai sth Dikaiosynh, h Dikaiosynh einai ekeinh poy qa apofanqei, en telei, gia to synolo twn oswn eginan, twn oswn apokalyfqhkan, twn oswn eyreqhsan k.o.k..

BLAXOS: Synexeia ths erwthshs poy ekane o synadelfos. Mporei na yparxei h analysh ths Dikaiosynhs, omws afora katejoxhn thn kybernhsh. Parakoloyqeitai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Korwnias xrewnetai ayth th stigmh me mia apofash na kleisei to logismiko kai na empodisei oysiastika na pame sthn phgh ths parakoloyqhshs. Ayto den to sxoliazete; Qewreite oti einai ypeyqyno ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw gia thn ypomnhsh poy moy kanete, alla basikh arxh toy Syntagmatos mas einai h diakrish twn ejoysiwn. Ki egw qa sebastw ayth thn arxh.

BLAXOS: Deyteron, ayto poy synebh, to qema twn ypoklopwn, to xarakthrizete dikastikoastynomiko qema h politiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xarakthriste to opws eseis qelete.

BLAXOS: Egw den eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Eseis eiste.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh poy ekproswpw eixe ypoxrewsh na enhmerwsei ton Ellhna polith. Ean eseis qelete na kanete xarakthrismoys einai diko sas qema.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Rwtw an ayto to entassete mesa se ena plaisio astynomikodikastiko h se ena katejoxhn plaisio me dedomeno oti mporei na emplekontai kai alles xwres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas. Qelete na kanete ena xarakthrismo ths ypoqeshs, na dwsete enan titlo, na bgalete enan ypotitlo, na kanete mia lezanta. Kante to. Einai h doyleia sas. Dikh moy doyleia htan (einai) na sas enhmerwsw.

BLAXOS: Ean den moy to peite eseis, pws qa kanw lezanta; Esas perimenw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dynaton na ypobalw stoys dhmosiografoys ti na gracoyn; Den qa symbei pote ayto apo emena.

BLAXOS: Oxi, poia einai h ektimhsh sas; An einai katejoxhn politiko to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den qa to kanw.

BLAXOS: Tote giati lete@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa to kanw. Sas parakalw, mh me bazete s` ayto ton peirasmo.

BLAXOS: Pantws, otan o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs mila gia kataskopeia kai afhnei to endexomeno na einai kataskopeia, einai katejoxhn politiko to zhthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Janadiabaste ligaki ayta poy eipwqhkan xqes. Sas eida poly anhsyxo apo xqes kai nomizw oti mallon den exete diabasei, akribws, ayta poy eipa.

BLAXOS: Den qymaste oti eipe@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete hdh kanei pente erwthseis. Den qa to xarakthrisw. Sas eipa oti ypoxrewsh ths kybernhshs htan na enhmerwsei toy Ellhnes polites kai ayto epraje. Oi xarakthrismoi einai dikoi sas.

LEONTITSH: Eipate oti h kybernhsh ofeile na dwsei ola ta stoixeia kai ta edwse. Anaforika me ton onomastiko katalogo poy mas dwsate xqes, me ta 46 onomata, einai ola ta stoixeia poy aforoyn toys ariqmoys poy parakoloyqoyntan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ola ta stoixeia kai sas qymizw oti proforika o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs ekane kapoies anafores. Den edoqhsan onomata, giati yphrxan thlefwna, opws gia paradeigma: Eji syndeseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, deka syndeseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, treis syndeseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, mia syndesh ths Neas Dhmokratias, mia toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias, mia syndesh ths AKETE -to eipa egw ayto- to kinhto poy xrhsimopoioyse o Prwqypoyrgos kai eniote h syzygos toy. Ayta exoyn eipwqei apo xqes.

LEONTITSH: Ayta poy mas eipate einai 18.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite 18;

LEONTITSH: Einai 18 ton ariqmo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws metrate, gia na katalabw, giati me mperdecate.

LEONTITSH: Symplhrwmatika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis ti perimenate na akoysete; Poion ariqmo qelete na akoysete;

LEONTITSH: Ekato.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws den eisaste xqes mazi mas kai den me akoysate otan eipa oti exoyme ariqmoys thlefwnwn perissoteroys toy enos se kaqe proswpo. Kata synepeia otan ta proswpa einai 46 kai exoyn apo ena, dyo h tria thlefwna to kaqe ena apo ayta, einai profanes oti exoyn ftasei ton ariqmo peripoy twn 100.

KAPRALOS: To mnhmonio poy edwse o k. Korwnias ston k. Papalhgoyra, qa doqei sth dhmosiothta kyrie Ypoyrge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Stoixeia ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs den dinontai sth dhmosiothta.

TSIODRAS: Eipate prin oti opoy yparxei anagkh peraiterw qesmikhs qwrakishs, ean kriqei, qa ginei. Wstoso, exoyme mia arxh, thn Arxh Diasfalishs Aporrhtoy twn Epikoinwniwn, h opoia omws einai sto skotadi. Exei dhmioyrghqei mia anejarthth arxh, h opoia maqainei, opws kai o kaqe Ellhnas poliths, ek twn ysterwn, thn olh ypoqesh. Den qa eprepe toylaxiston na exei enhmerwqei h sygkekrimenh arxh, gia na mhn pw oti qa eprepe apo thn arxh na exei epilhfqei ths olhs ypoqeshs se synergasia me th Dikaiosynh; Pws mporoyme na milame tote gia nees arxes, otan aytes poy hdh exoyme@

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesmikh energeia ths kybernhshs htan na enhmerwsei amesws th Dikaiosynh. H dikastikh ejoysia einai mia apo tis treis ejoysies poy orizei to Syntagma mas. H kybernhsh, loipon, qesmika enhmerwse amesws th Dikaiosynh. Apo ekei kai pera, h Dikaiosynh ekane th doyleia ths.

TSIODRAS: Thn Arxh poios eprepe na thn enhmerwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, den yphrxe kanenos eidoys desmeysh h ypoxrewsh na enhmerwsei opoiondhpote allon peran ths Dikaiosynhs. To epraje kai teleiwse. Ena qema eqnikhs asfaleias parapemfqhke sth Dikaiosynh. Oso kai na prospaqoyn kapoioi na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis gia to ti eprepe akomh na kanei h kybernhsh sas apantw: Tipote allo den eprepe na kanei h kybernhsh. H kybernhsh, enhmerwse th mia apo ths treis ejoysies poy orizei to Syntagma mas se ena meizon qema eqnikhs asfaleias. H Dikaiosynh, loipon, anelabe ton rolo ths. Qesmika eginan ola acoga.

TSIODRAS: Thn anejarthth arxh poios eprepe na thn enhmerwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh enhmerwse th Dikaiosynh. Apo th stigmh poy enhmerwqhke h Dikaiosynh apo thn kybernhsh, ola ta ypoloipa poy akoyw einai aplws prospaqeia dhmioyrgias entypwsewn apo orismenoys.

KYRITSHS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H mia paramenei sto qema twn ypoklopwn, kata kapoio tropo. Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh, ystera apo thn profanh apotyxia twn systhmatwn asfaleias, ejakoloyqei na protiqetai na paralabei, na agorasei kai na ajiopoihsei to systhma C4I, h ypoqesh toy opoioy den exei teleiwsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, thn ypoqesh xeirizetai to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. Parakalw na epikoinwnhsete me to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai na ypoballete to erwthma sas. Den gnwrizw tis leptomereies kaqe ypoqeshs poy syzhta ena ypoyrgeio.

KYRITSHS: Akoysa ton k. Alogoskoyfh, o opoios anaferotan sto zhthma twn trapezwn kai eipe oti ``dystyxws ta pragmata exoyn allajei, twra prepei na kinhqoyme basei toy plaisioy poy bazei o antagwnismos''. Kai dierwtwmai, sthn ellhnikh trapezikh agora opoy oles oi trapezes doyleyoyn mazi sta qemata toy wrarioy, poy akribws egkeitai o antagwnismos; Qa erqei mia allh trapeza apo ejw, as poyme, kai den qa ypagetai stoys kanonismoys kai qa doyleyei olh hmera; Ti akribws ``plaisio asfyktiko'' bazei o antagwnismos; Giati leme ``antagwnismos'', alla@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dexomai ta sxolia, paroti sas exw pei polles fores@

KYRITSHS: Oxi, erwthsh einai. Na moy perigracete pws akribws o antagwnismos ephreazei to wrario.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan lete oti ``doyleyoyn oles mazi'' profanws ennoeite oti den yparxei antagwnismos. Kakws ypeiserxomai sth syzhthsh ayths ths erwthshs, alla profanws ayto ennoeite. Ara, exete kanei hdh ena sxolio, to opoio qewreite ws dedomeno kai kata synepeia lete ``afoy isxyei ayto poy lew egw, giati na isxyei ayto poy leei o Alogoskoyfhs''. Den qa apanthsw se ayto.

KYRITSHS: Oi trapezes efarmozoyn ena wrario. To wrario ayto einai se genikes grammes koino gia oles. Se ayto to plaisio, loipon, yparxei o antagwnismos. Ean ayto to plaisio dieyrynqei kai anti na doyleyoyn oktw wres doyleyoyn 16, pali den proagetai me kapoio tropo o antagwnismos. Aplws, doyleyei o kosmos parapanw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite ton ariqmo twn wrwn poy ergazontai kaqe hmera oi ergazomenoi; To wrario;

KYRITSHS: Bebaiws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Kai to erwthma poio einai, giati mperdeythkame poly.

KYRITSHS: To erwthma einai, pws syndeetai o antagwnismos me to wrario.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O antagwnismos einai ennoia kai leitoyrgia ths agoras, h opoia den syndeetai mono me ena megeqos. Syndeetai me polla megeqh.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poia einai h diafora anamesa stis parakoloyqhseis kai tis ypoklopes poy ginontan to prohgoymeno diasthma me tis parakoloyqhseis kai tis ypoklopes poy mporei na ginoyn, symfwna me tis apofaseis poy phre h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh prosfata gia thn parakoloyqhsh twn kinhtwn syndialejewn kai toy Internet;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Th diafora metajy poiwn kai poiwn; Den antilambanomai.

KAKALHS: Anamesa se ayto to skandalo twn ypoklopwn poy syzhtame twra kai tis parakoloyqhseis poy eginan kai tis ypoklopes, me tis ypoklopes kai tis parakoloyqhseis poy qa ginontai nomima pleon me bash tis apofaseis poy phre prosfata h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

KAKALHS: Pws den exei. Parakoloyqhseis qa einai kai aytes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai mia seira alles xwres toy planhth mas erxontai kai lambanoyn kapoia metra, antimetwpizontas ena megalo problhma, to problhma ths tromokratias, to opoio antimetwpizei o planhths mas stis hmeres mas, sta xronia poy zoyme. Opws metra lambanontai gia thn antimetwpish ths emporias narkwtikwn, toy trafficking, toy egklhmatos kaqe eidoys. Etsi, loipon, kai gi` ayto to egklhma -milw gia thn tromokratia- to opoio einai egklhma poy talanizei, poy apasxolei ton planhth, yparxoyn kapoies apofaseis gia to pws qa einai pio asfaleis oi polites. Einai profanes oti h syntetagmenh Politeia qespizei kanones. Oi syntetagmenes Politeies mazi, qespisan syntetagmenoys kanones gia to pws qa einai pio asfaleis oi polites. Sto ``pagkosmio xwrio'' qelete, sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qelete; Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

KAKALHS: Oxi. Einai poly sygkekrimenh h sxesh. Einai parakoloyqhseis kinhtwn thlefwnwn -ayth einai h apofash ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs- kai toy Internet. Ara, me ena tropo leitoyrgei ws qermokhpio, san ena qermokhpio gia apoqhkeysh toswn@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bazete sto idio tsoybali thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh me kapoioys agnwstoys poy ekanan ayth th doyleia poy ekanan, parakoloyqwntas ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy k.t.l. Ta bazete ola sto idio tsoybali. Egw den ta bazw sto idio tsoybali.

KAKALHS: Egw blepw na yparxei ena qermokhpio twn apofasewn aytwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy dieykolynei kai aytes tis paranomes, na to pw etsi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete to dikaiwma na blepete ayto poy eseis qelete.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kanate -h kybernhsh ennow- mia ereyna 11 mhnwn poy edeije mono ayto poy sas eixe pei apo thn arxh o k. Korwnias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den ekane h kybernhsh mia ereyna 11 mhnwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, oi astynomikes arxes kai h Dikaiosynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista.

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto, omws, poy qelw na rwthsw einai, den exei bgalei kapoia alla symperasmata h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma kai xqes den rwthqhka gia ta symperasmata ths kybernhshs;

GKOYTZANHS: Nai. Den eipa na mas ta anakoinwsete, dioti endexomenws den einai anakoinwsima, epeidh mporei na einai sto epipedo twn endeijewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei allajei h qesh moy apo xqes. Den yparxei kati kainoyrgio gia na allajei h qesh moy. Exoyme dwsei ola ta stoixeia sth dhmosiothta. Ean qelete na bgalete eseis symperasmata, bgalte ta.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, rwtw ean h kybernhsh exei bgalei kapoia symperasmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh edwse sth dhmosiothta ta stoixeia ta opoia diaqetei. Ta symperasmata einai dika sas.

BLAXOS: Gia na gnwrizei aytos, poy ta parakoloyqhse, ta thlefwna ths AKETE, toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toy k. Roysopoyloy kai twn ypoloipwn, opoioydhpote kybernhtikoy paragonta, pisteyete oti eprepe na exei eswterikh plhroforhsh apo th VODAFONE;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ayto to erwthma moy ypeblhqh, xqes, kai to apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Den to apanthsate etsi. Htan diaforetiko to erwthma, to opoio ypebala egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw na doqoyn ta praktika ths xqesinhs synenteyjhs Typoy kai na kaqisoyme na ta diabasoyme, molis oloklhrwqei h enhmerwsh. Qa meinete, omws, na diabasoyme olo to keimeno twn praktikwn k. Blaxo, giati h synenteyjh dihrkese dyo wres.

BLAXOS: Ean eprepe na yparxei eswterikh plhroforhsh apo th VODAFONE rwthsa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To apanthsa, xqes. Mh moy qetete pali to idio erwthma.

BLAXOS: Giati h kybernhsh ekrine oti eprepe na enhmerwsei twra ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, o opoios eixe enhmerwqei ligo nwritera apo to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``TA NEA'' kai den ekrine skopimo na ton enhmerwsei apo th stigmh poy proekyce to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ayto to erwthma teqhke xqes. H kybernhsh kinhqhke qesmika, me ypeyqynothta. Enhmerwse th Dikaiosynh. H Dikaiosynh kinhqhke, epishs, sto plaisio toy dikoy ths qesmikoy roloy. H apofash ths kybernhshs, apo thn prwth stigmh, htan otan oloklhrwqei h prokatarktikh ejetash, tote na enhmerwqei h koinh gnwmh. Prwtistws, bebaiws, o politeiakos paragwn, o Proedros ths Dhmokratias kai oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn.

SIDERHS: Qa hqela apla na sas epejhghsw, giati deijate prokatalhch. Den htan proqesh moy na@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apenanti sas; Pros Qeoy, apenanti se kanenan, eilikrina to lew ayto. Den qa hqela na dhmioyrgoyntai parejhghseis metajy mas.

SIDERHS: Entajei, apenanti sth diaqesh moy ws pros th Nea Dhmokratia. Ekeino poy hqela na rwthsw, ontws an yparxei problhma na epanejetasete to plaisio leitoyrgias twn etaireiwn kinhths thlefwnias. Sas apasxolei kaqoloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa, oti ean breqei pws yparxoyn zhthmata poy prepei na symplhrwqoyn, giati qesmika mporei na mhn exoyn symplhrwqei, ayto qa ginei. Qa sas dwsw ena paradeigma poy to exw anaferei jana sto press-room kai to exw pei polles fores, dioti einai ena paradeigma poy afora ena allo qema, th sygkentrwsh sta MME poy asxoloymaste ayth thn periodo, opws gnwrizete: Prin apo peripoy dyo mhnes molis, h Epitroph Antagwnismoy ths Megalhs Bretanias, mias xwras me megalh paradosh ston Typo, asxolhqhke me to qema twn dwrean efhmeridwn. Den yphrxe prin to qema twn dwrean efhmeridwn. Asxolhqhke prin apo dyo mhnes poy proekyce. Ean apo ayth thn ypoqesh emfanistoyn kapoia kena -to eipa apo xqes sthn eisagwgikh omilia moy- bebaiws kai qa prepei na symplhrwqoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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