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Aqhna, 2 Febroyarioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TOYS YPOYRGOYS

EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO,

DIKAIOSYNHS k. ANASTASIO PAPALHGOYRA

KAI DHMOSIAS TAJHS k. GIWRGO BOYLGARAKH

GIA THN ANAKOINWSH QEMATOS EQNIKHS ASFALEIAS

Xairete.

Kyries kai kyrioi, sas kalesame shmera edw, prokeimenoy na sas enhmerwsoyme gia ena shmantiko qema, to opoio aptetai ths eqnikhs asfaleias. H shmerinh enhmerwsh, poy ginetai me ypeyqynothta kai me qesmiko tropo, apoblepei stoys ejhs basikoys stoxoys:

Prwton, thn prostasia toy eqnikoy symferontos kai ths eqnikhs asfaleias.

Deyteron, thn prostasia toy dhmosioy symferontos kai ths idiwtikhs sfairas toy kaqenos polith, se opoia qesh ki an brisketai, me taytoxronh merimna ths peraiterw qesmikhs katoxyrwshs, efoson ayth kriqei aparaithth. Kai,

Triton, thn yphrethsh ths basikhs arxhs ths neas diakybernhshs gia diafaneia.

H oysia olwn aytwn, se o,ti afora to trito stoixeio, einai h enhmerwsh toy polith. Oi Ellhnes polites exoyn dikaiwma na gnwrizoyn me ypeyqynothta, me qesmiko -epanalambanw- tropo, thn wra poy wrimazoyn ta pragmata. Kai twra, mporw na sas pw oti eillhmmenh apofash ths kybernhshs sto qema gia to opoio sas exoyme kalesei na sas enhmerwsoyme shmera, htan h gnwstopoihsh kai h enhmerwsh twn Ellhnwn politwn na ginei amesws kai me to telos ths diadikasias ths proanakrishs, ths diadikasias poy oloklhrwqhke xqes, ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs.

Qa kanw mia poly syntomh enhmerwsh kai meta to logo qa paroyn oi armodioi ypoyrgoi. Otan oloklhrwqei h enhmerwsh, qa akoysoyme tis erwthseis sas.

O titlos ths ypoqeshs, en syntomia, qa mporoyse na einai ``parakoloyqhseis thlefwnwn'' metajy twn opoiwn kai to thlefwno toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, melwn ths kybernhshs kai enos prwhn ypoyrgoy, stelexoys ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, kaqws kai orismenwn allwn politwn.

Oi parakoloyqhseis aytes elaban xwra apo agnwsto mexri stigmhs proswpo h proswpa me ajiopoihsh ypodomwn ychlhs texnologias. To de xroniko diasthma twn parakoloyqhsewn prosdiorizetai, symfwna me tis syllegeises plhrofories, stis periodoys prin apo toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004 kai kata pasa piqanothta ews thn anakalych ths energeias to Martio toy 2005. Apo thn anakalych toy symbantos ews shmera akoloyqhse mia seira ereynwn apo oles tis armodies arxes.

Sas kalesame shmera na sas anakoinwsoyme to gegonos, dioti opws proeipa o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs enhmerwqhke xqes apo tis armodies dikastikes arxes gia thn oloklhrwsh ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs. Shmera to prwi, askhqhke diwjh kata agnwstwn.

Qa hqela na sas pw oti shmera, nwritera to prwi o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs epikoinwnhse me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai toys politikoys arxhgoys. Proqesh ths kybernhshs einai, tis amesws epomenes hmeres, na sygklhqei h Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqei kai na akoystoyn ekei oles oi apoceis.

Mia syntomh istorikh anadromh: Stis 10 Martioy 2005 o dieyqynwn symboylos ths etaireias VODAFONE-PANAFON k. Giwrgos Korwnias epikoinwnhse kai zhthse na synanthqei me ton dieyqynth toy Politikoy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Giannh Aggeloy, prokeimenoy na ton enhmerwsei gia qema eqnikhs asfaleias poy sxetizetai me thlefwnikes ypoklopes. O k. Aggeloy ton dexqhke stis 8 to brady, afoy prwta enhmerwse ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs k. Giwrgo Boylgarakh na parabrisketai se ayth th synanthsh.

O k. Boylgarakhs exei to logo gia na sas enhmerwsei gia ta peraiterw.

BOYLGARAKHS: Kalhmera sas. Pragmati, loipon, o k. Korwnias, o opoios eixe zhthsei, opws eipe kai prohgoymenws o k. Roysopoylos, na synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo h kapoion poy qa mporoyse na toy metaferei -o Prwqypoyrgos, qymizw, eleipe ekeinh thn periodo sth Madrith, se mia Synodo gia thn tromokratia- synanthqhke sto grafeio toy k. Aggeloy mazi mas. Mas enhmerwse oti se enan elegxo roytinas poy egine sto logismiko ths etaireias toy, diapistwqhke oti yparxei kapoio systhma to opoio leitoyrgei ws ypoklopeas kapoiwn ariqmwn kinhtwn thlefwnwn. Egine leptomerhs enhmerwsh apo ton k. Korwnia, h opoia htan kat` arxas ejairetika dyskolo na ginei katanohth apo emas, giati htan poly texnikh. Perilhptika exei ws ejhs: Oi etaireies exoyn ena logismiko poy toys dinei th dynatothta na energopoioyn ta kinhta thlefwna. To logismiko ayto exei diafora yposysthmata. Gia paradeigma, exei ena yposysthma poy stelnei grapta mhnymata, exei ena yposysthma poy stelnei eikonomhnymata, exei ena allo yposysthma poy exei ton thlefwnhth k.t.l. Yparxei, loipon, kai kapoio yposysthma, to opoio exei tis nomimes synakroaseis (lowphone interception). Ayto to systhma, to opoio pareixe h etaireia ERICSSON, den eixe oyte agorastei, oyte energopoihqei apo th VODAFONE, Opws mas ejhghse o k. Korwnias, yphrxan kapoia parapona sthn etaireia oti diaforoi syndromhtes h den eixan klhseis opws eprepe h eixan me kaqysterhsh h den eixan mhnymata. En pash periptwsei, den eixan tis plhreis yphresies poy toys pareixe h etaireia kai etsi jekinhse enas elegxos sto logismiko ths etaireias, enas elegxos roytinas. Epeidh diapistwqhke pws den mporoysan na broyn peri tinos eprokeito, zhthsan elegxo apo th mhtera etaireia -peran dhladh ths ellhnikhs etaireias- h opoia kai esteile anqrwpoys edw kai ereynhse perissotero. Sth diadikasia ayth ths ereynas breqhke oti me kapoio tropo eixe energopoihqei to systhma twn ``nomimwn synakroasewn'', to opoio energopoieito gia kapoia noymera kai otan ta noymera ayta ekleinan, apenergopoieito pali me apotelesma na mhn fainetai, na mhn einai orato to systhma ayto. Dhladh, yphrxe mia diadikasia h opoia mporoyse na leitoyrghsei mono gia kapoia thlefwna, gia oso xrono miloysan, kai sth synexeia to systhma ayto me kapoio eidiko tropo ``krybotan''. Opote, kapoios o opoios ekane ena taktiko elegxo, ayto den mporoyse na to entopisei. Mesa sth diadikasia ayth, loipon, breqhke ayto. To erwthma htan poia thlefwna parakoloyqoyntan, me poio tropo parakoloyqoyntan kai ti ginontan oles aytes oi diadikasies oi opoies odhgoysan sthn parakoloyqhsh kai poy, en pash periptwsei, kaneis mporoyse na katagracei, an mporoyse kapoios na katagracei, ayta ta opoia ginontan.

Opws sas eipe o k. ypoyrgos, yparxei enas katalogos twn atomwn poy parakoloyqoyntan, o opoios qa doqei sth dhmosiothta.

Eparakoloyqoynto, loipon, peripoy 100 ariqmoi thlefwnwn. Aytoi parakoloyqoyntan mesw ths etaireias VODAFONE me 14 thlefwna ``skies''. Yphrxan, loipon 14 ews 16 -mallon 14, alla mikrh shmasia exei ayto- thlefwnikes syskeyes, oi opoies leitoyrgoysan ws thlefwnikes syskeyes ``skies'' aytwn twn peripoy 100 thlefwnwn. Otan ekaleito ena noymero apo ayta ta 100, mesw toy systhmatos poy sas eipa prohgoymenws, syndeotan me kapoio tropo me ena antistoixo thlefwno ``skia'', to opoio leitoyrgoyse peripoy san ntoymplej. Kai profanws ayto sth synexeia, se kapoio logismiko, ekane thn katagrafh. Mesa apo ena systhma ektropwn, ean gia paradeigma ekaleito dyo fores to thlefwno ayto, tote ekane mia ektroph se ena allo noymero apo ta 14 kai an kai ayto htan apasxolhmeno, ekane ektroph sto epomeno k.t.l. Me liga logia, dhladh, olo ayto to systhma parakoloyqoyse ayta ta 100 thlefwna, ta opoia ta ``odhgoyse'' sta 14 thlefwna poy, profanws, katagrafontan sth synexeia alloy.

To eipa oso pio apla mporoysa, alla to systhma peripoy einai ayto.

Otan edoqh h lista twn thlefwnwn apo ton k. Korwnia, doqhke entolh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, opws sas eipe o k. Roysopoylos, na yparjei plhrhs dialeykansh. Sto kommati toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs jekinhse mia para poly dyskolh kai para poly leptomerhs ereyna. Giati dyskolh kai leptomerhs ereyna; Molis katesth gnwsto oti yparxei ayto to systhma poy sas eipa prohgoymenws apo thn etaireia, to prwto pragma poy ekane h etaireia htan na apomonwsei ayto to logismiko. Apomonwnontas ayto to logismiko, stamathse ayth h diadikasia. Bebaiws, kat@ ayton ton tropo, stamathse kai enas apo toys tropoys, endexomenws, poy qa odhgoyse sto poy htan ayta ta thlefwna kai qa mporoysame, synepws, emeis na broyme poy leitoyrgoysan ayta ta thlefwna. Diapistwqhke, omws, otan doqhkan oi ariqmoi, oti ta thlefwna ayta eixan klhseis. Sygkekrimena, ta 14 thlefwna poy sas eipa prohgoymenws, enw den ekanan klhseis, dexontan klhseis. Apo thn wra, loipon, poy emeis den mporoysame na pame kateyqeian sto poy htan ta thlefwna ayta -dioti den yphrxe to shma poy sas eipa prohgoymenws- prospaqhsame na doyme mesw twn klhsewn poy dexontan ayta ta thlefwna, ean yphrxe tropos na pame emmesa s@ ayta. Ayth htan mia ejairetika periplokh kai dyskolh diadikasia, dioti ayta ta thlefwna htan ola kartokinhta. Poy shmainei oti sto parelqon ta eixan diaforoi katoxoi. Na sas dwsw ena paradeigma: Ena apo ayta ta thlefwna, eixe dexqei pollaples klhseis. Ayto, loipon, to thlefwno eixe dexqei oles aytes tis klhseis (sxetikos pinakas). Emeis, loipon, prospaqhsame mesw aytwn twn klhsewn na pame sto thlefwno ayto. Dhladh, aytos o opoios kalese, gia poio logo kalese. Ayto htan mia ejairetika dyskolh, epiponh kai makra diadikasia. Dioti, ayta ta thlefwna kapoioi ta eixan. Oloi aytoi oi anqrwpoi, loipon, me nomimes panta diadikasies proshxqhsan, ejetasthkan, proseggisthkan gia na doyme gia poio logo ekanan ayta ta thlefwna. Dhladh, ta epairnan dioti energopoiwntas kapoion kwdiko, endexomenws akoygan ti elege to thlefwno ``skia''; Epairnan kapoia data, kapoia dedomena; Ta epairnan dioti yphrxe tropos m@ ayto na energopoihqoyn kapoies diadikasies poy qa apeyqynontan kapoy alloy;

Sas edeija mono ena thlefwno, alla yparxoyn dekades tetoioy eidoys energeies. Sas dinw mia allh karta me thlefwna, dioti ayta diasyndeontan metajy toys, logw toy systhmatos twn periagwgwn poy yphrxe. Ejetasthkan, loipon, polles ekatontades klhseis poy antistoixoysan se thlefwna poy htan katanemhmena se olh thn Ellada: Sta nhsia, stis Kyklades, sta Dwdekanhsa, sthn Krhth, ston Ebro, sth Qessalonikh, pantoy. Ta perissotera apo ayta ta thlefwna, poy mporoysan na ejeyreqoyn -dioti yphrxan alla poy den mporoysan na ejeyreqoyn, dhladh yphrxan kapoia kartokinhta poy kaloysan kartokinhta- htan thlefwna ta opoia kaloysan, dioti nomizan oti kaloysan kapoion poy eixe to thlefwno prin apo ligo kairo. Opws gnwrizete oti ena kartokinhto thlefwno, otan den xrhsimopoieitai gia kapoio xrono, h etaireia aposyrei to noymero kai sth synexeia to dinei se allo xrhsth poy qa to zhthsei. Ayta, loipon, ta thlefwna eixan klhseis apo anqrwpoys poy nomizan oti to thlefwno to kateixe o prohgoymenos katoxos. Kai ayto prokyptei apo seira kataqesewn kai apo seira prosagwgwn kai seira diadikasiwn poy exoyn ginei.

Me liga logia, olh ayth h diadikasia ejairetika epiponh kai xronobora, gi@ ayto kai krathse olo ayto to diasthma dioti gia kaqe enan apo toys anqrwpoys poy proseggizontan ginotan tsekarisma an ayto poy elege htan swsto, prospaqoyse kapoios na dei me deyterh matia ean ayta ta opoia elege antapokrinontan sthn alhqeia dhladh ginotan epibebaiwsh twn stoixeiwn poy edine. Olo ayto to pragma, loipon, den katelhje kapoy. Dhladh, oloi aytoi poy epairnan thlefwno, epairnan dioti nomizan oti ta thlefwna anhkan stoys prohgoymenoys katoxoys.

Synepws, apo thn wra poy ta thlefwna epacan na ekpempoyn, htan dyskolo na prosdioristei h keraia, h kycelh apo thn opoia ejepempan kai leitoyrgoysan, h opoia arxikws eixe prosdioristei. Kai sygkekrimena, eixe prosdioristei se mia eyryterh gewgrafikh perioxh toy diktyoy poy ejyphreteito apo tis ejhs keraies kinhths thlefwnias: Apo to Lykabhtto, thn Plateia Mabilh, ton Pyrgo Aqhnwn kai thn perioxh ths idiwtikhs klinikhs ``Leykos Stayros''. Enw, omws, yphrxe mia genikh gewgrafikh proseggish toy poies keraies ta thlefwna ayta xrhsimopoioyn gia na ekpempoyn, htan poly dyskolo me to systhma poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas, poy einai o,ti pio sygxrono yparxei, na proseggistei akribws poy einai, dioti ta thlefwna eixan kleisei. @Ara, loipon, kaneis den mporoyse na plhsiasei kai na brei poy einai ta thlefwna. Aytos htan o logos poy ayth h diadikasia krathse toso poly kai oloklhrwqhke me thn plhrh dialeykansh olwn twn thlefwnikwn klhsewn pros ta 14 thlefwna ``skies''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw ton k. Boylgarakh. Qelw na sas enhmerwsw oti amesws meta thn prwth synanthsh ths 10hs Martioy, thn 11h Martioy, sas periegrace o k. Boylgarakhs ti egine: O Prwqypoyrgos afoy enhmerwqhke, epikoinwnhse me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs kai edwse entolh na kinhqoyn oi aparaithtes diadikasies. Qa parakalesw, loipon, ton k. Papalhgoyra na labei to logo kai na mas enhmerwsei gia tis sxetikes diadikasies.

PAPALHGOYRAS: Opws, loipon, eipwqhke apo ton k. Roysopoylo, stis 11 Martioy enhmerwqhka apo ton Prwqypoyrgo oti eprepe na synanthsw ton Dieyqynonta Symboylo ths Vodafone, ton k. Giwrgo Korwnia, prokeimenoy na moy dwsei leptomerestera stoixeia kai plhroforhsh. O k. Korwnias, pragmati, episkefqhke liges wres argotera to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs.gia shmantiko qema eqnikhs asfaleias, poy aforoyse se parakoloyqhseis thlefwnwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ypoyrgwn, kybernhtikwn, yphresiakwn stelexwn kai allwn ekproswpwn. O k. Korwnias, pragmati, episkefqhke liges wres argotera to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Qewrhsa skopimo s@ ayth th synanthsh na paristatai kai o Eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy, k. Linos. O k. Korwnias moy ejeqese:

Prwton, mia ebdomada nwritera, stis 4.3.2005, h Vodafone eidopoihqhke apo ton promhqeyth ths, thn Ericsson, oti o teleytaios, h Ericsson dhladh, sta plaisia texnikoy elegxoy, entopise sto logismiko dyo thlepikoinwniakwn kombwn ths Vodafone, ychlhs texnologias, eidiko kwdiko poy epetrepe th dienergeia thlefwnikwn ypoklopwn.

Deyteron, o k. Korwnias moy ejeqese oti to en logw logismiko htan entelws agnwsto, toso sthn etairia toy, thn Panafon, oso kai sthn promhqeytria Ericsson kai oti akomh den eixe anixneyqei o tropos eisagwghs toy logismikoy sto diktyo ths Panafon.

Triton, o k. Korwnias moy ejeqese oti stis 7/3 prosdioristhke pleon to sygkekrimeno tmhma toy logismikoy poy epetrepe ypoklopes kai oti thn epomenh, stis 8 toy mhnos, o idios o dieyqynwn symboylos ths Panafon, edwse entolh gia thn amesh afairesh toy sygkekrimenoy logismikoy, apo ta thlepikoinwniaka kentra ths etaireias, kaqws kai oti ektote htan synexeis oi elegxoi ths Vodafone gia ton entopismo tyxon epanemfanishs toy ypoptoy logismikoy.

Tetarton, me enhmerwse oti me ayto to logismiko -opws eipe kai o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs- mia omada 100 peripoy kinhtwn thlefwnwn, as thn onomasoyme omada A, eparakoloyqeito kai kategrafeto apo mia allh omada, 14 mexri 16 thlefwna, as thn onomasoyme omada B, poy energopoioyntan aytomata, molis ena thlefwno ths omadas A pragmatopoioyse syndialejh. Shmeiwnw oti pali, kata ta legomena toy k. Korwnia, oi parakoloyqhseis @ katagrafes den afhnan kanena ixnos.

Pempton, o k. Korwnias moy ejeqese oti sthn omada twn parakoloyqoymenwn thlefwnwn @omada A- perilambanontan ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy, pente ypoyrgwn, yphresiakwn paragontwn kai allwn idiwtwn. Ekton, o k. Korwnias moy eipe oti oi misoi peripoy ariqmoi ths omadas B poy ypekleptan, dhladh, tis syndialejeis ths omadas A, energopoihqhkan metajy Ioynioy kai Aygoystoy 2004 kai entopizontai sthn perioxh apo to Lykabhtto mexri toys Ampelokhpoys. Ayta moy eipe o k. Korwnias.

Meta to peras ayths ths enhmerwshs, toy zhthsa na diatypwsei kai eggrafws osa moy ejeqese paroysia toy k. Linoy kai pragmati, mesa se liges wres, eixa sto grafeio moy to sxetiko mnhmonio. Dedomenhs, twra, ths sobarothtas twn kataggellomenwn kai ths synafeias toys, endexomenws, me qemata eqnikhs asfaleias, molis apoxwrhse o k. Korwnias, zhthsa apo ton paristameno Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy th dienergeia sxetikhs prokatarktikhs ejetashs, kata to arqro 30 toy Kwdika Poinikhs Dikonomias. Kai epiprosqeta, logw ths ejairetikhs fyshs ths ypoqeshs ayths @den exoyme allwste kaqe mera kroysmata parakoloyqhshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy- zhthsa apo ton Eisaggelea kai thn kata proteraiothta diejagwgh ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs. Shmeiwsa, akoma, ston k. Lino thn aytonohth anagkh diasfalishs toy aporrhtoy xarakthra twn sxetikwn plhroforiwn. O Eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy moy gnwrise amesws thn proqesh toy na paraggeilei th diejagwgh ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs ston Proistameno ths Eisaggelias Prwtodikwn Aqhnwn, ton k. Papaggelopoylo, ston idion aytoproswpws, logw ths sobarothtas ths ypoqeshs.

Xqes, 1h Febroyarioy 2006, o Eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy, me enhmerwse oti peratwqhke h prokatarktikh ejetash. Shmera to prwi moy gnwstopoihse oti o armodios Eisaggeleas, k. Diwths, askhse poinikh diwjh kat@ agnwstwn gia parabiash toy aporrhtoy thlefwnhmatwn kata syrroh kai kat@ ejakoloyqhsh, me peraiterw paraggelia gia diereynhsh tyxon teleshs kai allwn ajiopoinwn prajewn, opws p.x. kataskopeia kai paraggelqhke h dienergeia kyrias anakrishs. O Eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy moy gnwrise akoma oti ayrio qa oristei armodiws o anakriths poy qa dienerghsei thn kyria anakrish. Enhmerwsa sxetika ton Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios kai moy aneqese na epikoinwnhsw me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsw gia thn olh ypoqesh, pragma kai to opoio epraja.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw ton k. Papalhgoyra. Prin sas dwsw to logo gia erwthseis, qa sas pw ta onomata mono twn politikwn proswpwn poy perilambanontai sth lista, h opoia qa sas dianemhqei se ligo, me ola ta onomata:

Karamanlhs Kwnstantinos

Molybiaths Petros

Sphliwtopoylos Sphlios

Boylgarakhs Gewrgios

Papalhgoyras Anastasios

Balhnakhs Iwannhs

Dhmas Stayros

Mpakogiannh Qeodwra

Yparxoyn kai alla onomata. Qa sas dianemhqei se ligo h lista. Kai yparxoyn kai ariqmoi thlefwnwn poy den anhkoyn se proswpa, alla se alloys foreis. O k. Boylgarakhs mporei na sas anaferei ena @ dyo paradeigmata.

BOYLGARAKHS: To synolo, sxedon, twn thlefwnwn poy xrhsimopoioyse h hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. To synolo, sxedon, twn thlefwnwn poy xrhsimopoioyse h hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Yparxoyn, epishs, orismena thlefwna apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Yparxei ena thlefwno ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias. Yparxoyn kapoia thlefwna poy xrhsimopoioysan stelexh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai einai xrewmena sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Kai ayto to lew giati h lista periexei mono onomata. Yparxoyn, epishs, thlefwna ta opoia htan kataxwrhmena sthn etaireia AKETE, poy einai @sas qymizw- etaireia sthn opoia symmeteixe o Prwqypoyrgos kai ta opoia xrhsimopoioyse h syzygos toy. Yparxoyn, epishs, thlefwna toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Naytikoy kai toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anefera sthn arxh oti yparxei kai thlefwno prwhn ypoyrgoy, stelexoys ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai anaferomai ston k. Gianno Papantwnioy.

Parakalw gia tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Apo ayta poy mas eipate kai me dedomeno to poioi parakoloyqoyntan, o Prwqypoyrgos kai ta ypoyrgeia Ejwterikwn, Eqnikhs Amynas, Dhmosias Tajhs, an to symperasma to opoio exei bgalei h kybernhsh, giati profanws exei odhghqei se kapoio symperasma, odhgei sto oti pisw apo ayth thn ypoqesh briskontai dynameis kapoias jenhs xwras.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To symperasma poy exei bgei ayth th stigmh -kai synexizetai, opws sas eipe o k. Papalhgoyras, exei teleiwsei h prokatarktikh ejetash- einai oti qa mporoyse na einai opoiosdhpote diaqetei ychlh texnologia.

TSIODRAS: Qa mporoyse na th diaqetei idiwths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakaloysa, epeidh einai polloi oi synadelfoi sas poy qeloyn na rwthsoyn, na ypobalete mia erwthsh o kaqenas.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Exete kapoia, kat@ arxas ektimhsh gia toys logoys poy mporei na krybontai pisw apo aytes tis parakoloyqhseis kai gia to an ayto to yliko exei diakinhqei me kapoio tropo pros kapoia kateyqynsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Den qa pw oti o ellhnikos laos maqainei to qema ayto apo thn efhmerida ``TA NEA''. Deyteron, mas diabebaiwnete oti oi Olympiakoi Agwnes, einai oi pio asfaleis Olympiakoi Agwnes. Oyte o Prwqypoyrgos den htan asfalhs. Triton, entopizete ayto to systhma kai krinete to logismiko. @Ara, den mporeite na fqasete sthn phgh ths parakoloyqhshs. Tetarton, lete ``Lykabhtto, Ampelokhpoi, Leyko Stayro, Pyrgo Aqhnwn''. Egw lew: ``Amerikanikh Presbeia;''. Kai en toiayth periptwsei, mporei o ellhnikos laos na aisqanetai asfalhs; Mporei na maqainei apo mia efhmerida olo ayto to pragma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai egw diabasa to prwtoselido ths efhmeridas sthn opoia anaferqhkate. Edw eimaste shmera, milwntas me ypeyqynothta, opws eipa, kai me qesmiko tropo se mia stigmh poy qesmika eprepe na ginei, afoy wrimase to qema. Kai ejhghsa eparkws sthn arxh ti shmainei ``wrimase to qema''. Pisth mas htan kai paramenei oti oi polites prepei na gnwrizoyn ta panta. Opws sas eipa, eilhmmenh apofash mas htan ayth h gnwstopoihsh stoys Ellhnes polites na ginei amesws kai me to telos ths diadikasias ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs, opws kai ginetai. Kata ta loipa, oi eikasies sas aforoyn esas. Den qa kanw kamia@

BLAXOS: Den apanthsate sto erwthma. Giati kleisthke to logismiko kai den ftasate sthn phgh. Einai shmantiko qema ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den kleisthke to logismiko apo tis yphresies poy ereynhsan. Sas ejhghse o k. Boylgarakhs kai parakalw na qymhqeite ti sas exei pei. Ayto egine katopin entolhs @to eipe kai o k. Papalhgoyras- ths yphresias. Otan anakalyce oti yparxei jeno pros thn etaireia logismiko, to stamathse. Ayto apotelese kai ena krisimo shmeio, opws einai katanohto pros oloys apo ta osa eipwqhkan, hdh, apo toys dyo ypoyrgoys.

BLAXOS: Einai poly shmantiko na to dieykrinisete, kyrie Ekproswpe. Giati den ftasame sthn phgh; Einai poly shmantiko na to maqoyme. Giati; Poios ftaiei poy den ftasame sthn phgh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Boylgarakh, parakalw mia apanthsh.

BOYLGARAKHS: Otan egine kataggelia, to logismiko eixe aposyndeqei. Otan, dhladh, h etaireia mas gnwstopoihse oti yparxei ayto to pragma to opoio parakoloyqoyse ayta ta thlefwna, h idia h etaireia mas eipe oti, taytoxrona, ayto to systhma stamathse ekeinh th stigmh poy to eipan. Sygkekrimena, gia na eimai pio safhs: Stis 7 Martioy, o texnikos dieyqynths ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias anaferqhke se endeijeis, symfwna me tis opoies ena pantelws agnwsto apo thn ERICSSON, thn etaireia dhladh poy promhqeye to logismiko sth Vodafone, logismiko to opoio yphrxe kai den einai tmhma kapoioy epishmoy logismikoy ths etaireias, eixe energopoihqei. Kai o tropos eisagwghs toy logismikoy sto diktyo den eixe anixneyqei mexri tote. Tote, ek meroys ths etaireias, zhthqhke h syndromh twn texnikwn, gia na doyn peri tinos akribws eprokeito. Taytoxrona omws, h etaireia Ericsson stis 8 Martioy, symboyleyse na kleisei to logismiko prokeimenoy na diereynhqei. Sas qymizw, opws eipe o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias, stis 10 Martioy mas egine gnwsto oti yphrxe to systhma ayto me prwtoboylia toy k. Korwnia o opoios endexomenws qa mporoyse na mh mas to pei kaqoloy. H qa mporoyse piqanon na apeyqynqei alloy. Qelw loipon me liga logia na pw: Otan mas egine ayto gnwsto, den yphrxe dynatothta na fqasoyme mesw twn kinhtwn thlefwnwn sto poy akribws einai, dioti to systhma ayto eixe apenergopoihqei. Den apenergopoihqhke apo emas. Emeis allwste den mporoysame na to apenergopoihsoyme. Kai ayto einai apolytws kaqaro.

DELATOLAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan o k. Korwnias me ypeyqynothta enhmerwse to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, meta o k. Boylgarakhs, o k. Papalhgoyras, eseis endexomenws, texnikoi poy ekanan thn ereyna, arketos kosmos, o k. Eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy, moy prokaleitai h aporia ean enhmerwqhke o Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS : Oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn, opws kai o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, enhmerwqhkan shmera to prwi. Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, apofash ths kybernhshs htan na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia. Mia diadikasia poy dihrkhse poly kairo kai ejhghqhke giati sto plaisio ths logikhs ayths ths kybernhshs, gia diafaneia pantoy, na enhmerwqoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw giati h etaireia stamathse to logismiko kai meta sas eidopoihse. Den sas fainetai poly ypopto ayto; Oti eprepe na afhsei kai na mpoyn mesa gia na mporesoyn na toys entopisoyn. Kleinontas to logismiko, pate kata agnwstwn. Opote dhladh, ap` oti fainetai, den prokeitai na breite tipote. Ekleise h etaireia to logismiko kai meta sas eidopoihse. Den einai mempto ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai mia aplh ypoqesh. Einai mia synqeth ypoqesh, h opoia exei para polles pleyres. Einai mia ypoqesh h opoia opws akoysate prohgoymenws, proxwraei, synexizei sth Dikaiosynh. Den exw na kanw sxolio gia ton tropo poy leitoyrghse h etaireia. O kaqenas mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata toy.

STAYRAKAKHS: Ep` aytoy. Giati einai kombiko to shmeio kai kairio to erwthma poy qetoyn oi synadelfoi. Symbatikh ypoxrewsh ths etaireias@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw sebasteite toys kanones kai an den sebeste emena, sebasteite toys ypoloipoys synadelfoys. Qa sas doqei o logos. Exw dwsei hdh to logo ston k. Xiwth.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Me sygxwreite.

XIWTHS: Qa hqela dyo dieykriniseis gia ta osa eipate kai kyriws gia osa eipe o k. Boylgarakhs. Ayta ta 14 ``thlefwna skies'', opws ta onomasate, dexontan klhseis sto eswteriko, dhladh, kai ta 14 thlefwna oses klhseis elaban, tis elambanan sto tetragwno poy perikleietai apo tis 4 keraies poy prosdiorisate; H yphrjan kai thlefwna ta opoia ekanan ayth th doyleia ths parakoloyqhshs endexomenws apo to ejwteriko; Den gnwrizw an ayto to exete ejakribwsei. Kai deyteron, an den kanw laqos, oi 4 keraies poy prosdiorizete, einai oi keraies poy perikleioyn ton gewgrafiko xwro poy briskontai h Amerikanikh Presbeia, h Bretanikh Presbeia, oi Presbeies twn megalwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn. Exei ayto kapoia sxesh kata thn ektimhsh sas;

BOYLGARAKHS: Kat` arxas den exei kamia sxesh, to apo poy kaloyntan ta thlefwna ayta, me to poy gewgrafika briskontan. Dioti ta thlefwna mporoysan na htan opoydhpote. Qelw na pw dhladh oti ayta ta 14 thlefwna, gia na to poyme symbatika, epaizan to rolo toy ntoymplej. To an htan egkatesthmena edw h ekei einai adiaforo. Me thn ennoia dhladh oti qa mporoysan na kanoyn thn idia doyleia eite dexontan klhsh apo to ejwteriko eite apo to eswteriko eite apo thn perioxh ths prwteyoysas eite ektos Aqhnwn. Den exei shmasia apo poy kaloyntan. Apo kapoy kaloyntan. Ean moy epitrepetai qa janapaw ston pinaka. Qelw na ginei antilhpto to ejhs: Ayta ta thlefwna, einai 14 ariqmoi. Ayta einai kartokinhta thlefwna. Eji apo ayta, eixan agorastei kai eixan energopoihqei apo thn N. Iwnia kai ta ypoloipa apo thn perioxh ths ``Hbh''.

SOYRMELIDHS: Apo poia etaireia;

BOYLGARAKHS: Eixan agorastei kai eixan energopoihqei, eixan dhladh balei monades mesa.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Apo poia perioxh; Apo poia etaireia;

BOYLGARAKHS: Apo thn perioxh ths ``Hbh'', sto Maroysi. Sas anefera oti htan kartokinhta ayta ta thlefwna.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Poias etaireias;

BOYLGARAKHS: Qa sas pw. Ayta ta thlefwna einai kartokinhta. Einai dhladh thlefwna ta opoia den htan me syndesh. Ayta ta thlefwna dexontan klhseis kai anejarthtes. Dhladh leitoyrgoysan san ntoymplej sta thlefwna ayta, as poyme kapoios poy epairne to thlefwno moy, amesws energopoieito ena ``thlefwno skia'' to opoio kapoy kategrafe ayta poy moy elegan. Ean egw epairna thlefwno, pali me antistrofo tropo energopoieito ayto to thlefwno kai pali kategrafe ayta poy elega egw proswpika. Ayto omws to thlefwno dexotan kai klhseis anejarthtes apo to diko moy. Dioti profanws to eixe o k. Xiwths prohgoymenws kai egw nomizontas oti to eixe o k. Xiwths, ton kaloysa. Epeidh ayto to xroniko diasthma poy leitoyrgoysan ayta ta thlefwna htan arketo, eprepe olo ayto to gkroyp twn thlefwnwn poy dexotan kai olo to gkroyp twn thlefwnwn poy dexotan ta alla thlefwna na anagnwristoyn kai na jexwristoyn. Ayto einai mia ejairetika makra kai dyskolh diadikasia, dioti syndeetai me proswpa. Twra, to apo poy ejepempan ayta, den exei kanena idiaitero nohma, me thn ennoia oti qa mporoyse na htan egkatesthmena edw, as poyme. H qa mporoysan na einai egkatesthmena kapoy alloy. Poio einai to nohma ths ypoqeshs; To nohma ayths ths ypoqeshs kai h ajia ths -an kapoios qelei na brei thn ajia- einai to poy htan egkatesthmeno to ypoloipo logismiko poy ekane thn katagrafh. Dhladh, ejepempan men ta thlefwna kapoy, alla profanws ayta ta thlefwna htan syndedemena me kapoio, as poyme, sklhro disko, poy chfiaka kategrafe tis fwnes. Kapoios loipon epairne tis fwnes aytes kai sth synexeia tis akoyge. Den mporw na fantastw, as poyme, oti htan anqrwpoi poy akoygan synexeia ayta poy legontan. Ara loipon, einai anejarthto. Den paizei rolo poy htan.

XIWTHS: Den nomizw oti egine safes ayto poy hqela na maqw. Mesw ths periagwghs, mporeite na maqete an ta thlefwna prwton, dexontan klhseis apo to ejwteriko, h deyteron otan kaleitai ena thlefwno@.

BOYLGARAKHS: Exei kai klhseis apo to ejwteriko. Den exei kanena nohma.

XIWTHS: Exei to nohma toy, opws exei kai to nohma toy mesw ths periagwghs kai pali an ena thlefwno kaleitai kai brisketai sto ejwteriko na diapistwqei an brisketai sto ejwteriko h oxi. Ara ayta ta thlefwna dexotan synexws klhseis kai briskotan monimws sthn Aqhna h yparxoyn kai periptwseis poy ta thlefwna breqhkan ektos twn synorwn ths xwras;

BOYLGARAKHS: Htan topoqethmena staqera.

BLAXOS: Pantws, opws to lete k. Boylgarakh, einai san na lete ston k. Papalhgoyra oti mataioponei na kanei th dikastikh ereyna giati den qa brei tipote.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw para poly, den mporeite na pairnete to logo opote qelete.

BLAXOS: Qelw na dieykrinisw@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw briskontai 150 dhmosiografoi sthn aiqoysa poy qeloyn na rwthsoyn. Den mporeite na rwtate synexws eseis. Parakalw, sto telos qa janadoqei h eykairia na rwthsete. Den prokeitai na sas afairesei kaneis to dikaiwma.

SIDERHS: H erwthsh moy einai afelhs. Milame gia ena qema thlepikoinwniwn kai den paristatai o armodios ypoyrgos. Den eneplakh kaqoloy; Kai giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qewrw kamia erwthsh afelh. En pash periptwsei eseis thn xarakthrisate. Egw ekeino poy exw na sas pw einai oti:A apo th stigmh poy ayth h ypoqesh otan apokalyfqhke aforoyse qemata Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs kai Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, aytoi oi dyo ypoyrgoi xeiristhkan to qema.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na kanw kai egw mia afelh erwthsh, gia na katalabw olh thn istoria. Fantazomai oti o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras, den paei se ena magazi na agorasei ena kinhto. Qa hqela na maqw th diadikasia me thn opoia phre o Prwqypoyrgos ayto to kinhto. Ean dhladh phge ena paketo thlefwnwn sto Megaro Majimoy, pws entopisthke to thlefwno ayto oti anhkei ston Prwqypoyrgo kai giati den parakoloyqhqhkan kai ta thlefwna allwn, mesa apo to Megaro Majimoy. Etsi qa mporesw na katalabw kapoia pragmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Karamanlhs kai ws arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs kai ws Prwqypoyrgos xrhsimopoiei kinhta thlefwna ta opoia den einai ena ston ariqmo alla perissotera kai diaforetikwn etaireiwn, alla kartokinhta kai alla me syndesh. Alla briskontai sto onoma to opoio einai ameshs synafeias me ton idio, endexomenws sto onoma toy, alla einai se onomata opws gia paradeigma, otan hmastan sthn antipoliteysh, toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Zhtw sygnwmh apo toys synadelfoys, to thlefwno poy parekoloyqeito htan sto onoma toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den milame gia enan mono ariqmo thlefwnoy. Opws sas eipe kai o k. Boylgarakhs, milame gia perissoteroys ariqmoys. Gi` ayto kai qa deite, oti ta onomata sth lista den einai ekato, einai ligotera. Dioti, antistoixoyn perissoteroi toy enos ariqmoy se orismena apo ayta ta onomata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela ayth th dieykrinish. Htan sto onoma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayto to thlefwno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw, den milame gia enan ariqmo mono. Milame gia perissoteroys.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kapoia apo ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy parakoloyqoyntan; Kapoio apo ayta htan sto onoma toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kapoio ap` ayta htan sto onoma toy, alla den htan.

IWANNOY: Qelw na rwthsw, ti energeies eginan ean eginan, pros jenes xwres. Ean zhthsame th syndromh jenwn mystikwn yphresiwn, ean hrqame se epafh, ean zhthsame eite apo thn Amerikh eite apo th M. Bretania th syndromh toys h genika kai an yparxoyn kapoies ypocies gyrw apo thn emplokh kai jenwn mystikwn yphresiwn;

BOYLGARAKHS: Apo thn wra poy doqhke entolh na ginei h ereyna, h ereyna ayth htan oso to dynaton pio plhrhs qa mporoyse na ginei. Emeis, eixame plhrh eparkeia sto na proseggisoyme to erwthma, me ta texnika mesa poy diaqetoyme. To gegonos oti den yphrje proseggish kai apotelesma me thn ennoia poy to eipate, den ofeiletai sto oti emeis den eixame eparkeia h mesa h anqrwpoys gia na to kanoyn ayto. Sas edeija prohgoymenws enan pinaka me ena systhma, to legomeno I-2, to opoio exei th dynatothta otan bazeis mesa tis thlefwnikes grammes na soy deixnei amesws olh thn gkama twn thlefwnwn poy milane, poioi milane, ti diasyndeseis exoyn, poso milane. Ayta ta systhmata ta exoyme. Den zhtame emeis kapoio systhma apo kapoion. To zhthma htan ean mporoysame na katalhjoyme kapoy, kyriws ejaitias ths mh leitoyrgias twn thlefwnwn ta opoia epaizan to rolo ths ``skias''. Den htan oti emeis eixame aneparkeia meswn, endexomenws, h den mporoysame. Ean dhladh mas afhsete ena thlefwno na doyleyei, qa sas poyme kai poios to exei kai poy to exei kai poy einai kai ola. Den htan oti den eixame ta mesa na to kanoyme ayto.

IWANNOY: Den eipa an htan eparkhs, aplws an eixate enhmerwsei. Ayto rwtw.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs, ean kai kata poson prepei oi politikoi na aisqanontai asfaleis stis epikoinwnies toys, apo thn wra poy thn parakoloyqhsh thn entopise h idia h etaireia ths kinhths thlefwnias, h Vodafone kai oxi h Eqnikh Yphresia Plhroforiwn, h opoia ypoqetw pws exei kai ayto to rolo. To rolo ths asfaleias twn proswpwn. Den exei kamia emplokh h EYP; Den eixe kamia gnwsh toy peristatikoy;

BOYLGARAKHS: Kat` arxas h EYP symmeteixe sthn ereyna, ston elegxo twn thlefwnwn. H EYP den exei kamia ypoxrewsh oyte nomikh, oyte allh, sto na elegxei tis etaireies kinhths thlefwnias. Kai malista qa elega pws einai kai parejhghsimo.

SPYRAKH: Den rwthsa gia tis etaireies k. Ypoyrge. Me sygxwreite poy sas diekoca. Rwthsa gia ta politika proswpa. Parakoloyqoysan ton Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras.

BOYLGARAKHS: O rolos ths EYP einai apolytws safhs. Den einai oyte diapisteymenh sto na parakoloyqei tis etaireies poy parexoyn thlefwnikes syndeseis, oyte einai ypoxrewmenh na kanei tetoioy eidoys pragmata, gia na mh sas pw pws einai parejhghsimo an to kanei. Synepws h EYP den eixe kamia eyqynh gi` ayto.

MPOTSARAKOS: Apo osa mas eipate, diapistwnoyme to ejhs: Oti den katelhje h ereyna poy kanate se kapoio apotelesma, dioti eixe kleisei to logismiko apo thn etaireia. Kai qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Sthn ereyna poy diejhxqh olo ayto to diasthma ap@ otan to diapistwsate mexri shmera ereynhqhke h symmetoxh stelexwn twn dyo etaireiwn poy emplekontai, dhladh ennow ths etaireias kinhths thlefwnias alla kai toy promhqeyth ayths ths etaireias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipwqhke prohgoymenws egine mia seira ereynwn. O k. Boylgarakhs sas edeije ena mono ypodeigma ereynwn kai proswpwn poy ereynhqhkan, to opoio eidate kai eseis oti einai polyploko, polyplokotato, gia enan monon ariqmo thlefwnoy. Antilambaneste loipon, oti eginan ereynes apo th Dikaiosynh se oles tis kateyqynseis.

MPOTSARAKOS: Kai s` aytes tis etaireies dhladh k. Ekproswpe; An egine sthn Vodafone kai sthn Ericsson rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw egw na sas pw to apotelesma ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs. Den einai o rolos ths Politeias kai twn ypoyrgwn na poyn kati tetoio. Sas lew oti h prokatarktikh ejetash oloklhrwqhke. H Dikaiosynh synexizei na exei to logo ths ereynwntas thn ypoqesh.

STAYRAKAKHS: Rwthsa kai nwritera. H symbatikh ypoxrewsh ths etaireias poia htan; Entopizetai enas korios sto xwro ths. Speydei na to pnijei prin enhmerwsei tis diwktikes arxes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipwqhke safws, entopisthke logismiko to opoio htan agnwsto mexri tote.

STAYRAKAKHS: H symbatikh ypoxrewsh. Nomizw einai jekaqaro to erwthma moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oles oi parametroi ereynhqhkan kai synexizoyn na ereynwntai. H Dikaiosynh, qa apodwsei eyqynes opoy yparxoyn.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me sygxwreite, qa epanelqw sto arxiko moy erwthma. Erxontai shmera oi treis synarmodioi ypoyrgoi kai mas lene oti gia mia megalh periodo kapoios h kapoioi me mesa ejairetika ychlhs texnologias parakoloyqoysan to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, to Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas, ta Epiteleia Stratoy, Naytikoy, Ejwterikwn kai enhmerwnete thn koinh gnwmh gi` ayto kai kala kanete, wstoso den exete kamia kateyqynsh poioi qa mporoysan na einai pisw ap` ayth thn istoria, gia poio logo to ekanan kai poy diakinhsan, an diakinhsan aytes tis plhrofories. Dioti ayth h apokalych otan den synodeyetai apo ena estw kat` arxhn symperasma, profanws dhmioyrgei klima anasfaleias sthn koinh gnwmh. Oxi asfaleias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw peraiterw sxolia, oyte kaneis ek twn paristamenwn ypoyrgwn. Ekeino to opoio qesmika ws ypoxrewsh mas ekplhrwnoyme shmera einai h enhmerwsh toy Ellhna polith.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo erwthseis pros ton k. Boylgarakh, giati emena den moy einai safh kapoia pragmata. Kat` arxas to logismiko gia to opoio milame einai peiratiko logismiko h einai logismiko ths Ericsson; Exei diereynhqei ayto to pragma kai an exei diereynhqei, shmadia poy na ypodeiknyoyn poios toys kataskeyase. Deyteron, mas eipate gia 14 thlefwna-dektes, ta opoia anaparagoyn tis synomilies poy dexontai. Ayta ta thlefwna htan sta xeria kapoiwn thn wra poy dexontan synomilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn allwn stelexwn; Ti ginotan stis periptwseis poy ta dyo kinhta ayta miloysan mazi; Kai en pash periptwsei epeidh eipate oti sto diasthma Ioynioy, katagracate synomilies, se poioys anhkan ayta ta thlefwna tote; Eixe diereynhqei;

BOYLGARAKHS: Nomizw oti exw apanthsei se ola ta erwthmata poy qesate. Sas eipa prwton oti ta 14 thlefwna htan kartokinhta. Parakoloyqoysan 100 sygkekrimena thlefwna. H lista qa sas moirastei se ligo. Deyteron: To logismiko ths etaireias htan ena logismiko poy h idia h Ericsson pareixe sth Vodafone, to opoio den htan agorasmeno ap` aythn.

GALIATSATOS: Milame gia logismiko ths Ericsson. Ayto einai jekaqaro pragma.

BOYLGARAKHS: Ayto to anefera apo thn arxh. Einai h trith fora poy to epanalambanw. Einai ena logismiko poy h idia h etaireia eixe dwsei kai den eixe agorastei -malista kostizei polla ekatommyria- kai to opoio epitrepei thn nomimh synakroash kai to opoio den eixe agorastei. Na qymisw, oti ekeinh thn periodo, den yphrxe akomh kai to Proedriko Diatagma, poy epetrepe na yparxoyn katagrafes kinhtwn thlefwnwn ek meroys twn etaireiwn kinhths thlefwnias, poy htan se ejelijh mallon ekeinh th xronikh periodo. Synepws nomizw oti sas exw apanthsei.

TABOYLARH: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean parakoloyqoyntan ola ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy h toylaxiston perissotera thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy, an ereynhsate to pws kaneis mporoyse na jerei kai poia htan h omada anqrwpwn poy gnwrizoyn ola ta thlefwna h ta perissotera thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai me dedomeno oti telika parakoloyqoytan o istos ejoysias ths xwras, parakoloyqoytan h xwra dhladh. H erwthsh moy einai ti kanate amesws meta, giati fainetai oti kapoioi kapoy qeloyn na jeroyn ana pasa stigmh ti ginetai s` ayth th xwra kai na to elegxoyn. Poia htan ta metra poy phrate amesws meta, giati profanws tetoia systhmata, tetoia kentra den parakoloyqoysan mono th Vodafone, endexomenws parakoloyqoysan kai ta thlefwna allwn etaireiwn, ths staqerhs thlefwnias, endexomenws na xrhsimopoioyn kai alla systhmata parakoloyqhshs, afoy toys endiaferei toso poly ti ginetai s` ayth th xwra.

BOYLGARAKHS: Qelw na ginei katanohto to ejhs: Sthn Ellada yparxoyn tesseris etaireies kinhths thlefwnias. Aytes oi etaireies den exoyn tessera logismika. Xrhsimopoioyn dyo logismika. Yparxoyn, loipon, dyo etaireies, poy parexoyn logismiko kai tesseris etaireies oi opoies xrhsimopoioyn to logismiko kai to dinoyn stoys polites. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, h emplokh htan sto logismiko. Dhladh se ayto to systhma poy pareixe th dynatothta stis tesseris etaireies na parexoyn ta kinhta thlefwna. Ayto to logismiko ektos apo th Vodafone to xrhsimopoioyse h Q kai h Telestet. Den to xrhsimopoioyse h Cosmote. Gia thn yparjh antistoixoy systhmatos egine ereyna kai stis alles etaireies, stis opoies den diapistwqhke h yparjh antistoixoy systhmatos. Meta apo ayth th diadikasia, oi idies oi etaireies energopoihsan systhmata asfaleias kai epanelegxoy oytws wste na mhn yparjei energopoihsh paromoioy systhmatos synakroashs, to opoio kai ginetai. Yparxei mia diadikasia se ejelijh, h opoia to elegxei ayto. Ean qelete omws na epekteinw th skech moy, h texnologia ejelissetai ragdaia. Dhladh, ennow oti yparxoyn systhmata gia ta opoia kaneis den mporei na proejoflhsei ti mporei na kanoyn ayrio h pws mporei na energopoihqoyn. Kai ayto fysika den afora thn Ellada, afora olo ton kosmo. Synepws, me bash tis gnwseis kai thn empeiria poy apokthqhke apo ayth th diadikasia, mporw na pw, oti oi etaireies kinhths thlefwnias me eparkeia kai asfaleia, parexoyn tis yphresies toys. Ayto fysika den shmainei an sto mellon yparjei mia ejelijh me alla logismika systhmata, poy anaptyssontai pagkosmiws, na topoqethqoyn. Ayto den mporei na to gnwrizei kapoios. Milame pantws, gia ta systhmata, ta opoia kapoios eide mesa ap` ayth th diadikasia.

TABOYLARH: Alla metra asfaleias elhfqhsan; Giati emena h erwthsh moy den htan gia tis etaireies htan gia ta metra asfaleias ths xwras.

BOYLGARAKHS: Ti ennoeite, alla metra asfaleias; Milame gia tis etaireies.

TABOYLARH: Na mhn mporei kapoios na elegxei to ti leei o Prwqypoyrgos kai to ti entoles dinei kai ti sxediazei.

BOYLGARAKHS: Yparxoyn alla metra, ta opoia omws qa moy epitrecete na mhn ta anaferw. O Prwqypoyrgos kai oi ypoyrgoi xrhsimopoioyn kapoia alla metra asfaleias ta opoia exoyn kryptografikes synomilies, alla ayta, opws gnwrizete, den anakoinwnontai.

SARANTAKOS: Eipe prohgoymenws o k. Boylgarakhs gia ``ypodomes ychlhs texnologias''. Epeidh fantazomai to exete analysei kai to exete ereynhsei kai to kostos mias tetoias ypodomhs, hqela na moy peite kata thn krish sas, pisteyete oti ayth thn ypodomh mporei na thn apokthsei kai enas aplos poliths; Kai ena synafes, ean sth diadikasia ayth proseggisthkan kai stelexh ths Amerikanhs Presbeias sthn Aqhna, me dedomeno oti ena stelexos, opws mas eipate, eparakoloyqeito.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei logos na ginoyn eikasies. To erwthma exei apanthqei se sxesh me to poioi qa mporoysan na exoyn texnologia. Opoioi mporei na exoyn tetoia ychlh texnologia, mporoysan na kanoyn ayth th doyleia.

SARANTAKOS: Gia to an proseggisthkan kai stelexh ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias sthn Aqhna, an symmeteixan sthn proanakritikh ayth diadikasia, ti lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ayto to erwthma exei apanthqei. Eipame prohgoymenws oti h Astynomia kai h Dikaiosynh ekanan tis ereynes poy eprepe na kanoyn.

SARANTAKOS: Kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh poy anaferw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti den qa dwsoyme shmera stoixeia toy fakeloy ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs.

RABANOS: Ena erwthma pros ton k. Boylgarakh. Exete prosdiorisei to xroniko shmeio kata to opoio mphke o kata koinws legomenos ``pompos'' kai to xroniko shmeio poy jekinhsan oi parakoloyqhseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthse, prohgoymenws, o k. Papalhgoyras.

RABANOS: Jekaqariste to pote akribws gia na jeroyme akribws to xroniko shmeio.

BOYLGARAKHS: Ayto prokyptei apo to ypomnhma toy k. Korwnia.

RABANOS: Einai kombiko, basiko shmeio omws.

PAPALHGOYRAS: Sas eipa oti o k. Korwnias me enhmerwse pws oi misoi peripoy ariqmoi ths omadas B@, poy ypekleptan dhladh tis syndialejeis apo thn omada A@, energopoihqhkan metajy Ioynioy kai Aygoystoy 2004.

RABANOS: Oi alloi;

PAPALHGOYRAS: Den moy anefere. Den mporoyse na entopisei to akribes xroniko shmeio. Piqanologw oti anaferetai se progenestero xrono.

POYLIDOY: Mia dieykrinish kai mia erwthsh: Eipate k. Roysopoyle oti prokeitai gia problhma poy aptetai ths eqnikhs asfaleias. Ayto prokyptei apo ton katalogo twn onomatwn, ta thlefwna twn opoiwn parakoloyqoyntan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai mono oti parakoloyqeitai to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy, nomizw oti einai arketo gia na apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

POYLIDOY: H eqnikh asfaleia htan h emfash poy edwsa. To deytero erwthma einai texniko. Hqela na rwthsw, ean kata tis plhrofories poy eixate apo th mhtrikh etaireias, prokeitai gia ena ellhniko systhma ypoplokwn h exei entopistei paromoio kroysma kai se alles. An prokeitai gia ena dieqnes diktyo ypoklopwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipwqhke prohgoymenws, to logismiko me to opoio ginontan ypoklopes einai agnwstoy proeleysews. To eipan kai o k. Papalhgoyras kai o k. Boylgarakhs. Ekeino poy gnwrizoyme einai to logismiko poy xrhsimopoioyn oi etaireies gia thn kanonikh toys drash. To logismiko poy pareisefrhse entos toy logismikoy poy xrhsimopoiei h etaireia gia ta thlefwnhmata gia na ejyphretei toys polites@

GALIATSATOS :Ayth htan h erwthsh moy prohgoymenws kai o k. Boylgarakhs eipe oti htan ths ERICSSON to logismiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To epanalambanw: To logismiko poy xrhsimopoioyn oi etaireies einai gnwsto. Einai sygkekrimenwn etaireiwn. Entos aytoy toy logismikoy, poy einai gnwsto kai parexetai dieqnws, pareisefrhse agnwstoy taytothtas logismiko, mesw toy opoioy ginontan parakoloyqhseis.

KAKALHS: Meta apo ena xrono ereynwn, h kybernhsh brisketai se baqy skotadi apo to opoio tipote den deixnei oti qa bgei. Giati, loipon, epilegei ayth th stigmh na dwsei sth dhmosiothta ayth thn ypoqesh; Mhpws prokeitai gia enan epikoinwniako antiperispasmo, o opoios exei sxesh me th xronikh sygkyria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti qa moy kanate thn erwthsh opoiadhpote stigmh kai an epelege h kybernhsh. Se kaqe periptwsh, ekeino poy qa epanalabw gia trith fora einai: H kybernhsh, pisth stis arxes ths, enhmerwnei toys Ellhnes polites.

KAKALHS: Mallon exei peisei gia to antiqeto.

SYROS: Milame gia ena logismiko to opoio mphke, alla den exoyme prosdiorisei apo poy mphke. H erwthsh apeyqynetai ston k. Boylgarakh. Prwton, ean exei entopistei -profanws exei entopistei- apo poio sygkekrimeno shmeio egine h eisodos toy logismikoy sthn etaireia VODAFONE, ean yparxei sygkekrimeno kthrio, grafeio kai an ekei yparxei prosbash toy opoioydhpote h einai kati diabaqmismeno. Kai deyteron, ean o dioikhths ths EYP eixe metabibasei eggrafo sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia na ginei pistopoihsh twn synergeiwn poy topoqetoyn ta trichfia thlefwna stis eswterikes epikoinwnies ths kybernhshs.

BOYLGARAKHS: Kat` arxas, to systhma ayto poy pareisefrhse sto logismiko ths ERICSSON, qa mporoyse na topoqethqei kai me fysiko tropo, alla kai apo makria. Dhladh, qa mporoyse na topoqethqei kai me diadikasies remote, dhladh apomakrysmena, me kapoio tropo. Opws to bluetooth poy stelnei mhnymata. Synepws, den htan dedomeno oti eprepe kapoios me fysiko tropo na paei ekei kai na pata koympia. Qa mporoyse na ginei kai apo makria. @H to ena h to allo. Ayto bebaia den fanhke pote. Giati; Giati to idio to logismiko ayto eixe th dynatothta molis o kwdikas aytos teleiwne th drash toy, na ``krybetai''. Opote, sto synhqh elegxo ths etaireias den mporoyse na fanei ean ayto to pragma yphrxe h oxi. Kai an endexomenws den yphrxe ayth h dysleitoyrgia kapoiwn thlefwnikwn syskeywn, ejaitias twn opoiwn eginan oi ereynes, piqanon na mhn eftane pote. Ta de trichfia prepei na sas pw oti den ypagontai sthn EYP.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean yparxei eyqynh ths etaireias, estw giati den eggyhqhke thn asfaleia twn syndialejewn kai ean h mhtrikh etaireia exei epikoinwnhsei mazi sas h epikoinwnhsate eseis mazi ths, opws kai an eginan epikoinwnies gia to idio pragma me tis dyo presbeies, me thn amerikanikh kai th bretanikh..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei teqei to idio erwthma me diaforetiko tropo kai exei apanthqei. Den qa pw tipote perissotero se ayto.

KYRITSHS: Sto diasthma kata to opoio ginontan aytes oi parakoloyqhseis eixame, an den kanw laqos, diapragmateyseis gia to Kypriako, Olympiakoys Agwnes, diapragmateyseis gia agora oplwn, gia to Eyrwsyntagma, gia thn entajiakh poreia ths Toyrkias, diafora eyaisqhta tetoia eqnika qemata. Sas rwtoysame sto press-room gia thn proodo twn diapragmateysewn, legate oti einai eyaisqhtes diapragmateyseis aytes, den ginetai na anakoinwqoyn. Twra prokyptei oti oles aytes oi eyaisqhtes diapragmateyseis htan se gnwsh kapoiwn, oi opoies profanws endiaferontan. Qelw na rwthsw, ean ektima h kybernhsh oti exei ginei sygkekrimenh zhmia sto eqniko symferon apo ayth thn istoria, an exei stoixeia basei twn opoiwn prokyptei oti kapoia dynamh jenh wfelhqhke kai symplhrwmatika an bgazei to symperasma mesa apo ayth th diadikasia oti h energopoihsh ths nomoqesias, basei ths opoias genikeyetai h parakoloyqhsh twn epikoinwniwn twn politwn einai asfalhs, th stigmh poy den eiste se qesh na diasfalisete thn asfaleia twn epikoinwniwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw to teleytaio sxolio sas. Wstoso, to erwthma sas emperiexei to parelkystiko symperasma oti oloi kai ola akoygontan.

KYRITSHS: Ayto mas eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To parelkystiko ayto symperasma peri olwn twn diapragmateysewn oi opoies, opws gnwrizete, den eginan oles apo thlefwnoy@

KYRITSHS: Gi` ayto rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kata synepeia, milw gia parelkystiko symperasma. Qa sas pw, loipon, oti oi diapragmateyseis htan kai paramenoyn eyaisqhtes gi` ayta ta qemata. Opws kai ayto to qema, to opoio shmera enwpion sas anakoinwnoyme, einai idiaiterws eyaisqhto. Qa mpw, omws, sthn oysia toy erwthmatos sas, poy an thn katalaba kala einai peri ths qesmikhs qwrakishs.

KYRITSHS: Kai ths zhmias poy endexomenws egine.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino to opoio se kaqe periptwsh -to eipa kai sthn arxh- antimetwpizei h Politeia einai: Prwton, enhmerwsh ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Deyteron, endelexhs syzhthsh entos ths Epitrophs gia to qema, protaseis poy endexomenws qa akoystoyn. Shmeiwnw mono oti h xwra mas exei proxwrhsei arketa bhmata se epipedo qesmikhs qwrakishs. Eimaste apo tis liges xwres sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh poy diaqetoyn, gia paradeigma, thn arxh diasfalishs toy aporrhtoy twn epikoinwniwn. Opoiadhpote, omws, protash, eite ginei entos toy qesmikoy roloy poy exei h Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, eite allh protash, bebaiws kai qa ereynhqei, efoson mporesoyme h mporoyme na eimaste akomh perissotero asfaleis. Se kaqe periptwsh, epitrecte moy na kanw mia poly syntomh parathrhsh: H texnologia diarkws ejelissetai. Miloyme gia nees texnologies poy apo ayth thn ypoqesh, opws oloi antilhfqhkame, einai dyskolo na proseggistoyn sthn eyresh toy poios h poioi tis xrhsimopoioyn. Kai den einai ena zhthma poy afora mono th xwra mas. Einai ena zhthma poy afora synolika ton planhth, giati h texnologia ejelissetai me ragdaioys ryqmoys.

FLORES: H kybernhsh exei mia prwth ektimhsh ths zhmias poy exei ginei me ayto to gegonos sthn ejwterikh politikh kai sthn eqnikh asfaleia ths xwras; Pragmata poy endexomenws bghkan pros ta ejw, efoson parakoloyqeitai to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean labw ypoch moy ta apotelesmata twn qematwn sta opoia kai o synadelfos sas anaferqhke prohgoymenws -kai milw gia ta eqnika qemata- krinw pws den yphrxe zhmia, doqentos toy oti sta eqnika qemata, poy anaferqhke gia paradeigma o synadelfos sas, eixame mia seira apo qetikes ejelijeis.

SIDHROPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, ean stis 10 Martioy 2005, otan o k. Korwnias hrqe na sas synanthsei kai na sas anaferei ayth thn ypoqesh, erwthqhke apo esas ean h apofash gia thn apenergopoihsh toy logismikoy htan apokleistika dikh toy h egine katopin ypodeijews ths mhtrikhs etaireias, h opoia ekane ton elegxo poy to brhke.

BOYLGARAKHS: H alhqeia einai oti o k. Korwnias edeije mia poly ypeyqynh stash, dioti zhthse na enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo gia ena qema poy htan ejairetika shmantiko. Antilambaneste oti otan stis 10 toy mhnos, to brady, egine ayth h synanthsh, h proteraiothta den htan na maqoyme ean to systhma doyleye h den doyleye. Kat` arxas, mas phre poly xrono na katalaboyme peri tinos eprokeito. H prwth proteraiothta htan na doyme ean parakoloyqeito, poios parakoloyqeito kai me poion tropo. Synepws, stis 10 toy mhnos, gia to texniko meros ths ypoqeshs, den egine tipota.

SIDHROPOYLOS: H erwthsh moy einai, ean h apofash htan apokleistika toy k. Korwnioy h an egine katopin ypodeijhs ths mhtrikhs etaireias. Dhladh, rwthqhke kapote h stis 10 toy Martioy h katopin apo esas;

BOYLGARAKHS: Profanws, ayto poy moy lete einai stoixeio ths proanakrishs. Stis 10 toy mhnos, to brady, egine h enhmerwsh. Stis 11 toy mhnos, gyrw stis 2 ta jhmerwmata, phra sta xeria moy th lista twn onomatwn. Apo ekei kai pera, o k. Korwnias exei dwsei ena ypomnhma ston eisaggelea. Fantazomai oti mesa sto ypomnhma ayto qa anaferei ola ayta ta opoia htan pros diereynhsh. Ayto poy mas endiefere, htan h oysia. Dhladh, ean mporoysame me kapoio tropo na proxwrhsoyme. Ayto endiaferei to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

PAPALHGOYRAS: Ekana egw ayth thn erwthsh ston k. Korwnia. Opws allwste katagrafei kai sto mnhmonio o idios, me enhmerwse oti me bash thn ews tote gnwsh kai en anamonh grapths anaforas apo thn ERICSSON, o idios edwse odhgies gia thn amesh apomakrynsh toy sxetikoy logismikoy ``apo ta thlepikoinwniaka kentra mas -h opoia apomakrynsh synebh thn Trith 8 Martioy, to prwi- me sxetikes energeies ths ERICSSON ypo thn epopteia mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti exei meinei kati adieykrinisto. Ta 14 ayta kartothlefwna, ta thlefwna ``skies'' opws eipate, profanws einai gnwstoi kai oi ariqmoi poy eixan ayta ta thlefwna. Kata th diarkeia ayth thn ypopth poy leitoyrgoysan kai dexontan ta proionta ypoklophs, poioi ta xrhsimopoioysan; Den yparxoyn onomata h etaireies h otidhpote, opoy htan katoxoi aytwn twn sygkekrimenwn thlefwnwn, apo th stigmh poy profanws, profanestata oi ariqmoi toys einai gnwstoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Stoixeiwdhs xrhsh kartokinhtoy thlefwnoy epiballei th gnwsh oti den exei onoma. Mporei na to agorasei kaqenas apo opoydhpote.

BLAXOS: Pws jerei to logismiko oti ayto to kartothlefwno einai o Prwqypoyrgos kai ara empaine ekei kai parakoloyqoyse;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta exete mperdecei. O k. Kanellopoylos milhse gia ta 14 ews 16 thlefwna ``skies''.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Na epanalabw thn erwthsh moy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Thn katalaba. Ta kartokinhta ``skies'', efoson einai kartokinhta, den ypoxreoytai o xrhsths h o agorasths, opws se kaqe kartokinhto, na dhlwsei onoma. Ean pate na agorasete se ena katasthma ena kinhto thlefwno poy einai kartokinhto, den gnwrizei to katasthma poios einai o xrhsths. Opws gnwrizete, mporei kaqenas na agorasei karta kinhtoy apo ta periptera.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Sthn agora k. ypoyrge.

GALIATSATOS: Einai panw se ayto to erwthma toy k. Kanellopoyloy ayto poy qelw na rwthsw..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw. Ola ta erwthmata sto idio qema einai.

GALIATSATOS: Ypoqetw oti apo thn karta poy mas paroysiase prin o k. Boylgarakhs, h Astynomia qa mporoyse na katalhjei sto poioi ta xrhsimopoioysan ekeinh thn epoxh. To erwthma moy einai -poy hqela na to kanw kai ston k. Boylgarakh- otan ayta ejepempan, oi katoxoi toys den to epairnan xampari; Dhladh, otan energopoieitai ena thlefwno jafnika, nomizw oti o xrhsths to antilambanetai ayto.

BOYLGARAKHS: Qa to pw gia allh mia fora, ean moy epitrepete. Mporei na ``bgalei mallia h glwssa moy'', alla qelw na ta jekaqarisoyme ayta. Ta 14 thlefwna, ta legomena thlefwna ``skies'', den ta xrhsimopoioyse kapoios. Htan kapoy staqera topoqethmena. Dhladh, gia paradeigma: Ayto einai ena thlefwno ``skia'' poy einai topoqethmeno edw. Ayto einai syndedemeno ntoymplej me ayto to allo thlefwno. Otan kalei to thlefwno ayto, aytomata energopoieitai kai ayto kai kapoy stelnei shma kai grafetai. Ayto, loipon, den to eixe kapoios poy phgaine bolta. Htan topoqethmeno kapoy. Poy htan topoqethmeno; Sta oria ths perioxhs poy perigrafetai apo tis keraies poy sas eipe prohgoymenws o k. Papalhgoyras. Ara, ayta ta thlefwna den ta eixe kapoios kai ekane boltes. Htan kapoy topoqethmena.

BLAXOS: Pws epairnan to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

BOYLGARAKHS: Qelete na sas apanthsw; Ta thlefwna, loipon, ayta htan topoqethmena. Den ekanan klhseis. Dexontan klhseis. Synepws, den yphrxe xrhsths, o opoios na kalei apo ta thlefwna. Mono dexontan kai tis kategrafan.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Den dexotan, tis kategrafan (den akoygetai).

BOYLGARAKHS: Den kategrafan ayta. Ta estelnan kapoy alloy poy katagrafontan. Ayto, loipon, to thlefwno prwton, den to eixe kapoios, o opoios mporoyse na katalabei ean xrhsimopoioysan th syskeyh toy. H syskeyh htan kapoy. Deyteron, gia na mporesw egw ws yphresia na brw ayto to thlefwno, prepei ayto na exei shma. Yparxei ena systhma texnologias, to opoio moy epitrepei na anagnwrisw ayto to thlefwno apo poia keraia kaqe fora perna kai syndeetai kai mesw ths keraias na plhsiasw thn perioxh toy thlefwnoy, synepws kai to thlefwno. Epanalambanw: Otan se mas egine gnwsto to systhma, ayto to thlefwno den leitoyrgoyse. Ayto praktika shmainei oti emeis eixame men th dynatothta na doyme tis keraies me bash thn plhroforhsh poy mas edwse h etaireia -poy mas eipe oti apo aytes tis keraies leitoyrgoysan ayta ta thlefwna- alla den eixame th dynatothta na pame apo tis keraies sto thlefwno, dioti to thlefwno pleon den leitoyrgoyse. Ayto shmainei praktika oti emeis den mporoysame na doyme to akribes shmeio, diamerisma, spiti, grafeio, opoydhpote, poy na einai to thlefwno ayto. Ara, emeis den mporoysame tote poy to maqame, na pame sta thlefwna ayta. Qa sas pw kai kati allo. Mhn exete kamia amfibolia oti ean eixame th dynatothta qa to kaname. Ean ejhghqei o plhrhs katalogos twn proseggisewn poy kaname, qa entypwsiasteite.

BLAXOS: Pws anagnwrisate oti to thlefwno ``skia'' (den akoygetai).

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: To systhma diakophke stis 8 Martioy. Stis 7/3 entopisthke apo ton geniko dieyqynth. Entopise amesws kai poy phgainoyn ta thlefwna; Ean gia paradeigma ta thlefwna anhkoyn ston Prwqypoyrgo; Dhladh, ekane mia kinhsh kai eixe entopisei oti ta noymera ayta poy ypokleptontan htan toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai olwn twn allwn; Dhladh, ekane mia kinhsh, exontas gnwsh oti ayta ta noymera anhkoyn ston Prwqypoyrgo kai toys alloys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, gia na enhmerwsei oti parakoloyqoyntai ta thlefwna metajy aytwn kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, bebaiws kai gnwrize h emaqe ekeinh thn wra -gia na eimai pio akribhs- se poion anhkei to thlefwno.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Papalhgoyra, mporeite na mas peite ean oi dikastikes arxes ereynhsan to endexomeno, giati to politiko kommati ths ypoqeshs exei shmasia, ths emplokhs dyo h triwn epixeirhmatiwn, Ellhnwn epixeirhmatiwn oi opoioi eite me th morfh anaqeshs ergwn eite me th morfh symmetoxhs toys sto arxiko metoxiko kefalaio ths etaireias Vodafone qa mporoysan na eixan anomo symferon kai thn texnognwsia gi` ayth thn parakoloyqhsh;

PAPALHGOYRAS: Epitrecte moy na sas pw eyqys ejarxhs oti se epipedo arxhs einai h apanthsh. H prokatarktikh ejetash einai mystikh, to periexomeno ths den einai gnwsto se kanenan, para mono ston dienergoynta th sygkekrimenh ereyna.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kata synepeia den to diaceydete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw poly. Exw pei ki alles fores oti mporeite na bgazete opoia symperasmata qelete, oxi se ayth thn aiqoysa, alla sta Mesa poy ergazeste. H apanthsh toy k. Papalhgoyra htan safhs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ap` o,ti mas eipe o k. Boylgarakhs, ean den eixe entopistei ayto to logismiko apo thn etaireia Vodafone einai poly piqano na parakoloyqoyntan akomh kai shmera ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths hgesias twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean ws armodios Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, o k. Boylgarakhs analambanei kapoia politikh eyqynh gia to gegonos oti den yphrxe asfaleia twn syndialejewn toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths hgesias twn Enoplwn Dynamewn kai ean einai pepeismenos oti shmera aytes oi syndialejeis einai asfaleis kai giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora tis erwthseis ypoqetikoy xarakthra epishs exw topoqethqei. Den qa yparxei kamia apanthsh.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dedomenoy oti etsi opws toylaxiston mas ta perigracate kai malista eidika o k. Boylgarakhs, poly glafyra, ton tropo me ton opoio telika den qa breqoyn oi ypeyqynoi, mporeite na mas apokleisete shmera oti ap` oles tis synomilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me Ypoyrgoys toy, den qa kykloforhsoyn se kasetes sthn Omonoia opws egine sto parelqon me ta texnologika mesa ekeinhs ths epoxhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh eipwqei oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi Ypoyrgoi xrhsimopoioyn edw kai para poly kairo thlefwna ta opoia einai kai kryptografhmena apo thn arxh ths diakybernhshs -kai den milw ej aformhs ayths ths ypoqesews- opws allwste pisteyw oti ekane kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh.

KORAH: Oxi, anaferomai gia thn epimaxh periodo poy ginontan oi parakoloyqhseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi Ypoyrgoi xrhsimopoioyn, ektos twn allwn, thlefwna ta opoia einai eidika thlefwna, kryptografhmena.

KORAH: Epomenws mporoyme apo ayta poy parakoloyqoyntan na akoysoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to erwthma sas, empiptei stis ypoqetikes erwthseis to ean qa akoysoyme h den qa akoysoyme. Se kaqe periptwsh ofeilei kaneis na epishmanei oti einai paranomh energeia me opoies synepeies exei ayth h paranomh energeia gia ton opoiodhpote kai ean thn exei diaprajei.

GKROOYMAN: Basei twn stoixeiwn poy exete eseis kai dedomenoy oti einai mia idiaitera eyaisqhth periodos h periodos poy anaferqhkate, Ioynios @ Aygoystos toy 2004, gnwrizete an yphrxan synomilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy h ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn h toy Ypoyrgeioy Amynas me jenoys hgetes, jenoys paragontes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi synomilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, an oxi oles, sth syntriptikh pleionothta toys ginontai sto grafeio toy. Spaniotata exei xrhsimopoihsei to thlefwno toy spitioy toy kai nomizw spaniotata epishs, ean brisketai sto ejwteriko, kapoia kinhta thlefwna, poy epanalambanw den einai ena h dyo, alla poly perissotera toy enos. Oxi mono dika toy alla kai andrwn ths asfaleias toy.

PANOY: Qa hqela na apeyqynw thn erwthsh ston k. Boylgarakh. Mas eipate prin oti to logismiko to ekleise h etaireia molis to entopise kai sth synexeia sas enhmerwse. Prospaqhsate na kanete kapoia bhmata xwris na einai energopoihmeno ayto to logismiko. Yphrxe dynatothta apo tis yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs epanergopoihshs aytoy toy logismikoy h ths idias ths etaireias an yphrxe h dynatothta epanergopoihshs aytoy toy logismikoy, wste na sas bohqhsoyn kai aytoi stis ereynes;

BOYLGARAKHS: Tetoia dynatothta den yphrxe. Na pw omws oti to logismiko ayto poy aposyndeqhke apo thn etaireia, krathqhke kai apoqhkeythke se antigrafa gia endexomenh mellontikh diereynhsh efoson ayto kriqei anagkaio. Kat@ arxas den yphrxe dynatothta na epanergopoihqei. Synepws, den mporoyse na janaleitoyrghsei. Ara, den mporoyse na dwsei to stigma. To deytero poy sas eipa einai oti kai ta thlefwna ekleisan, poy shmainei oti kai to shma poy ejepempan ta thlefwna ekleise. Dhladh, den htan mono to logismiko to opoio aposyndeqhke, htan kai ta thlefwna ta opoia edinan shma.

PANOY: Dhladh gia na katalabw, oi anqrwpoi aytoi poy ekanan tis ypoklopes eixan th dynatothta na katalaboyn kai to an exei entopistei to logismiko kai na to apenergopoihsoyn kai oi idioi akoma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, edw h apanthsh einai poly aplh. Texnika apo th stigmh poy to logismiko afaireqhke egine ``katanohto'' sta kinhta thlefwna poy parakoloyqoysan ta thlefwna ``skies'' oti den yparxei pia to endiameso systhma, dhladh to logismiko, gia na parakoloyqhsei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Einai symptwsh poy oloi eixan Vodafone kai den eixan kanena allo diktyo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti apanthqhke h erwthsh. Apo thn sygkekrimenh etaireia egine h kataggelia, apo th sygkekrimenh etaireia egine h ereyna.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy ta eixan brei;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mhpws ayto telika htan ena poly sobaro laqos ths apenergopoihshs toy logismikoy me prwtoboylia ths etaireias. O k. Boylgarakhs xarakthrise poly ypeyqynh th stash ayth, alla den to briskw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Boylgarakhs xarakthrise ypeyqynh th stash toy k. Korwnia. H Dikaiosynh, opws sas eipe prohgoymenws o k. Papalhgoyras, kanei tis aparaithtes ereynes, h ypoqesh den exei teleiwsei akoma.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Skeptesqe na kinhqeite kata ths etaireias h th mhteras etaireias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai apofash ths Dikaiosynhs gia to pws qa kinhqei apo edw kai pera.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Hqela na rwthsw an to logismiko parakoloyqhshs exei janaxrhsimopoihqei to sygkekrimeno se allh xwra ektos Elladas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizoyme kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Otan anoige to thlefwno ``skia'' pws hjere oti o ariqmos aytos einai toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai profanes oti eixe entopistei poy anhkan orismenoi thlefwnikoi ariqmoi. Qa sas dwsw ena paradeigma@

BLAXOS: Poy ta brhkan ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Kapoios profanws enhmerwse, ayto mas lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei thlefwno to opoio anhkei sthn etaireia AKETE , h opoia einai toy eklipontos patros toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto to thlefwno loipon einai xrewmeno ekei. Yparxoyn thlefwna poy einai xrewmena sth Nea Dhmokratia. Antilambaneste loipon thlefwna ta opoia einai xrewmena kapoy einai poly eykola na eyreqoyn. Yparxoyn thlefwna politikwn proswpwn, toys ariqmoys twn opoiwn exei mia seira anqrwpwn.

GKOYTZANHS: E oxi to parakoloyqoysan sthn tyxh mas lete. Poy hjeran oti parakoloyqoysan to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy, giati apo thn apanthsh poy mas dinete prokyptei oti parakoloyqoysan sthn tyxh. Kai endexomenws na peftane panw sto thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy htan xrewmeno sth N.D., endexomenws kai oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prepei na eiste o monos sthn aiqoysa poy katanohse kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: Den moy eipate poy brhkan to thlefwno @@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo thn apanthsh poy sas dinw kai h opoia einai safhs prokyptei oti @..

GKOYTZANHS: Ma den moy lete. Mas eipate oti parakoloyqoysan to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai den mas eipate poy brhkan oi ypoklopeis to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai shmantiko k. ypoyrge.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As sebastoyme o kaqenas ton rolo toy alloy. Hrqate gia na kanete erwthseis se ena megalo qema kai na sas dwsoyme apanthseis. Epanalambanw: To diko moy thlefwno k. Gkoytzanh, gia paradeigma, to gnwrizete eseis, to gnwrizei kai mia seira allwn anqrwpwn. Den ypainissomai tipota.

GKOYTZANHS: Entajei, oxi omws toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta thlefwna loipon pollwn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, ypoyrgwn ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, ths prohgoymenhs, toy Prwqypoyrgoy, orismena apo ayta, einai gnwsta se kosmo. Eidika, opws sas eipa prohgoymenws, otan ena apo ayta ta thlefwna anhkei sthn etaireia toy eklipontos patros toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

TSIODRAS: Prepei na pw oti sthn arxh eixa arketes erwthseis twra exw poly perissoteres apo osa exoyn eipwqei. Se sxesh me ta thlefwna twra eipate oti toy Prwqypoyrgoy ta gnwrizoyn kapoioi anqrwpoi. Eipame omws oti o Prwqypoyrgos den xrhsimopoiei ena thlefwno kai den einai ola sto onoma toy. Einai kai se onomata kapoiwn apo thn asfaleia toy, synergatwn toy k.lp. Ara kapoios eixe poly entopismena to poia thlefwna xrhsimopoiei o Prwqypoyrgos kai ayto nomizw oti den einai gnwsto tois pasi einai se ena poly kleisto kyklo anqrwpwn h xreiazetai texnikh bohqeia poly ychlwn prodiagrafwn, anagnwrizei fwnes k.lp. Deyteron exw mia aporia se sxesh me to logismiko kai thn Ericsson. Den exw katalabei an ayto to systhma ths synakroashs eixe energopoihqei telika apo thn Ericsson kai apenergopoihqhke sth synexeia kai mesa apo ekei egine h parembolh toy alloy logismikoy h an, giati eipate, sth synexeia oti apenergopoihqhke apo thn etaireia afoy egine h diapistwsh oti ginontai ypoklopes klp. Enw sthn arxh eixate pei oti to eixe agorasei kai den eixe xrhsimopoihqei. Qa hqela na jerw ayto h an yphrxe aplws parembolh oxi se logismiko ths Ericsson alla sto logismiko to opoio xrhsimopoioyse h Vodafone, den jerw apo poy mporei na erxetai kai pws empleketai h Ericsson sthn olh istoria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthqei kai ayto to erwthma. Empaine kapoios kai ajiopoioyse to systhma. Gia na ajiopoihsei to systhma kapoios xrhsimopoioyse ena epipleon logismiko, to opoio eipame oti einai agnwsto logismiko kai to opoio krateitai.

TSIODRAS: To systhma ths synakroashs eixe energopoihqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H diadikasia akoygetai synqeth se olh thn poreia ths, alla me poly apla logia einai ayto poy sas perigrafw kai to eipe kai o k. Boylgarakhs nwritera. Se o,ti afora ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa janapw@.

TSIODRAS: To systhma ths synakroashs eixe energopoihqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Leme, oti yphrxe ena jeno logismiko, to opoio pareisfrhse sto logismiko ths etaireias kai mporoyse na kanei tis parakoloyqhseis, energopoiwntas diafora systhmata ths idias etaireias, toy kentrikoy logismikoy. Se o,ti afora ton Prwqypoyrgo qelw na epanalabw oti den xrhsimopoiei ena h dyo thlefwna, xrhsimopoiei poly perissotera. Den eipe omws kanenas s@ ayth thn aiqoysa oti parakoloyqoyntan ola ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Dioti h erwthsh opws diatypwqhke kai to symperasma sas odhgei se lanqasmenh apotypwsh ths pragmatikothtas. H pragmatikothta einai oti parakoloyqoyntan orismena thlefwna. Sas edwsa ena poly sygkekrimeno paradeigma pws qa mporoyse kapoios na exei ton ariqmo aytoy toy thlefwnoy. Den shmainei oti o Prwqypoyrgos xrhsimopoioyse monon ayto to thlefwno. Den shmainei oti o Prwqypoyrgos eixe mono ayto to thlefwno. Den shmainei oti ola osa xrhsimopoioyse parakoloyqoyntan.

TSIODRAS: Sto prwto erwthma qewrw oti den exw parei apanthsh sxetika me to logismiko. H erwthsh moy einai safhs. An to logismiko ths Ericsson poy aforoyse th synakroash, to opoio eixe agorastei opws mas eipate, energopoihqhke h oxi.

BOYLGARAKHS: Eipame oti to logismiko exei diafora yposysthmata. Ena ek twn yposysthmatwn htan h nomimh synakroash. Ayto to yposysthma den eixe agorastei apo thn etaireia. H Vodafone den to eixe agorasei. Den to eixe agorasei, den to xrhsimopoioyse, den yphrxe epishmws. An mporw na to pw symbatika.

TSIODRAS: Poios o logos na anaferomaste s@ ayto tote afoy einai ena pragma to opoio den eixe agorastei.

BOYLGARAKHS: Dioti s@ ayto to systhma poy den yphrxe egine h egkatastash, paranoma, toy logismikoy kai mesw aytoy toy systhmatos, to opoio htan agnwsto sthn etaireia, ginotan h katagrafh.

TABOYLARH: Epomenws energopoihqhke ayto to systhma. H etaireia den katalabe oti energopoihqhke ena epipleon systhma;

BOYLGARAKHS: Oxi. Dioti ayto to systhma eixe th dynatothta @epanalambanw - na krybetai kai na mhn fainetai. Kai an endexomenws den ginotan to laqos na mhn anakalyptotan. Prokeitai gia mia poly ejeligmenh texnologia kai malista gia na ftasoyn sthn texnologia ayth anagkasthkan na kalesoyn texnikoys apo thn mhtrikh etaireia ths Ericsson. Synepws to systhma ayto den eixe agorastei, opws hdh exoyme pei. Opws sas eipe kai o k. Roysopoylos, egw gia paradeigma diaqetw eji kinhta thlefwna. Htan sth lista mono ta dyo. Den shmainei oti parakoloyqoyntan ola ta kinhta thlefwna.

PAPALHGOYRAS: Aplws na bohqhsw sto na jekaqarisei h eikona: Htan agnwsto ayto to logismiko. Egw sas metaferw ti moy eipwqhke apo ton k. Korwnia: Htan agnwsto to logismiko ayto kai sthn Panafon kai sthn Ericsson.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti h ypoqesh den exei teleiwsei. Ayto shmainei oti ektos toy dikastikoy meroys yparxei kai qema astynomikhs ereynas; Kai an tis ereynes aytes tis kanoyn andres ths ellhnikhs astynomias h andres ths EYP.

BOYLGARAKHS : Ap@ o,ti jerw, eipe o k. ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs kapoies nomikes diadikasies poy qa akoloyqhsoyn. Oson afora to kommati ths astynomikhs ereynas, egine kai apo tis dyo yphresies, dhladh, apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia kai thn EYP. Epeidh o ogkos twn thlefwnwn poy eprepe na ereynhqei htan terastios, egine mia katanomh. Kai ayth h katanomh egine anamesa sthn Eqnikh Yphresia Plhroforiwn kai sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia kai etsi fqasame s@ ayth th diadikasia.

PAPALHGOYRAS: Kai gia to dikastiko kommati na epanalabw oti ayth thn wra qa dienerghqei kyria anakrish. Kai kata th dikonomia exei th dynatothta o anakriths na apotaqei stis astynomikes arxes gia thn paroxh oiasdhpote bohqeias xreiazetai.

SIDERHS: Eipate den parakoloyqoyntan ola ta thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Se ti pososto parakoloyqoyntan ta thlefwna poy xrhsimopoiei o Prwqypoyrgos. Posa apo ayta, giati entajei an einai ths AKETE, mikro to kako. An einai kai alla dhmioyrgeitai problhma diarrown apo to prwqypoyrgiko periballon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se mikro pososto. Den qa dwsw ariqmo h ariqmoys. Opws den qa dwsoyme ariqmoys kanenos ek twn proswpwn. Qa doqoyn mono ta onomata ta opoia parakoloyqoyntan.

TRIKAS: Na rwthsw, ean katalaba kala, kyriws ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs kai ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs: Plhroforoymaste, dhladh, shmera oti ean o k. Korwnias den eixe dwsei entolh na kleisei ayto to agnwsto logismiko thn prohgoymenh hmera poy phge thn epomenh kai enhmerwse thn politikh hgesia toy topoy oti synebainan oles aytes oi foberes parakoloyqhseis, qa eixame apotelesmata sthn ereyna. Nai h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai piqanon.

TRIKAS: Kai deyteron, gia periptwseis tromokratias, einai gnwsto oti yparxei synergasia twn kybernhsewn ths Elladas kai allwn xwrwn. Etsi den einai k. Ypoyrge; Apokleisate oti mporei na einai periptwsh tromokratias; Pws den enhmerwqhkan; Eipate prohgoymenws oti eixate ta texnika mesa kai gi` ayto den enhmerwsate. Ma, edw yparxei allhloenhmerwsh metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai allwn jenwn kybernhsewn gia alla ypodeesteres yponoies. Pws ayto den egine; (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai ton endiaferonta tropo me ton opoio diatypwsate, gia trith fora, thn idia erwthsh. Exei hdh doqei apanthsh, omws.

XIWTHS: Anarwtiemai ean qewreite oti yparxoyn eyqynes sthn etaireia kinhths thlefwnias, giati oi ypoklopeis katorqwsan kai brhkan prosbash se 100 aporrhtoys ariqmoys apo aporrhta stoixeia, apo aporrhta dedomena, giati den dexomai to epixeirhma sas poy leei oti kapoios mporei endexomenws na brei ena thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy h ena thlefwno toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs. Edw breqhkan 100 ariqmoi apo mia aporrhth trapeza dedomenwn. Ayto den einai eykolo na to kanei enas koinos qnhtos. Anarwtiemai, loipon, ean qewreite oti yparxoyn eyqynes gia thn etaireia kinhths thlefwnias poy den diasfalise (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai th xrhsh ths lejhs ``epixeirhma'' ws epixeirhmatologhsh yper ths alhqeias. Giati, hrqame enwpion sas na epixeirhmatologhsoyme monon yper ths alhqeias kai oxi yper h kata kapoioy alloy. Ara, loipon, se o,ti afora to erwthma ayto gia th lejh ``epixeirhma'' qelw na to jekaqarisw gia na einai safes. Aytos einai o stoxos kai ton eipa apo thn arxh me safhneia. Sto loipo erwthma sas, exei ypoblhqei epishs apo to synadelfo sas nwritera. En pash periptwsei, ekeino poy qelw na sas pw -kai apantw me ton idio tropo- h Dikaiosynh qa apodwsei ta toy Kaisaros tw Kaisari.

SPYRAKH: Ean moy epitrepete, epeidh moy dhmioyrghqhkan kapoies apories, qa hqela na rwthsw prwton, ean h kybernhsh mporei na mas bebaiwsei oti den yparxoyn h den yphrjan sto parelqon paromoia peristatika kai stis alles dyo etaireies kinhths thlefwnias. Kai to deyteron einai, ean apo th stigmh poy eginan gnwsta sto prwqypoyrgiko grafeio ta 100 peripoy noymera ta opoia parakoloyqoyntan, ean enhmerwqhkan oi katoxoi aytwn twn ariqmwn, dedomenoy oti, opws katalabainete, den exei akomh diereynhqei ean aytes oi parakoloyqhseis mporei na perieixan akomh kai kindyno zwhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa sto erwthma sas kai nwritera, aitiologwntas oti eixe hdh paysei na leitoyrgei to systhma ths parakoloyqhshs. H epilogh ths kybernhshs htan ayth poy sas eipa. Oti, dhladh qa ereynhqei apo tis armodies astynomikes kai dikastikes arxes kai qa anakoinwqei stoys Ellhnes polites thn hmera poy qa teleiwsei h prokatarktikh ejetash.

SPYRAKH: Den moy apanthsate an h kybernhsh einai bebaih oti den yphrxan analoga kroysmata sto parelqon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to parelqon, den mporw na sas pw tipota. Ekana prohgoymenws mia genikh topoqethsh peri texnologias. Den mporw na sas pw gia to parelqon, eite ayto einai prin apo tria xronia, eite prin apo pente xronia, eite prin apo deka xronia.

MPOTSARAKOS: An apo ta stoixeia ths ereynas proekyce to epimaxo diasthma poia thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy parakoloyqhqhkan kai an ap` ayto synagetai to symperasma oti katagrafhkan kapoies apo tis synomilies toy. Dhladh me apla logia. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe kapoies shmantikes synomilies apo ayta ta thlefwna poy katagrafontan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy, paroti den qelw na sas diakoptw, me diaforetiko tropo kai ta dyo skelh ths erwthshs sas, ypoblhqhsan nwritera. Exw apanthsei kai den qa epanalambanw tis apanthseis giati den blepw to logo na epanalambanoyme ta idia erwthmata. Ean yparxei kainoyrgio erwthma parakalw na ypoblhqei.

MPOTSARAKOS: An yparxei kapoio sobaro qema, poy syzhthse o Prwqypoyrgos sto thlefwno kai ayto katagrafhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Erwthqhn h den erwthqhn gia to qema; Apanthsa h den apanthsa; Den exei kapoio nohma na erwtwmai kai deyterh kai trith fora. Anefera kai prohgoymenws, na mhn ta epanalambanoyme, gia to poia thlefwna xrhsimopoiei o Prwqypoyrgos, posa thlefwna xrhsimopoiei. Erwthqhn apo to synadelfo sas, ths LIBERATION, nomizw, gia to an ayto eixe apotelesmata sthn eqnikh mas politikh kai exw apanthsei.

TSAGKARHS: Ayto to programma leitoyrgoyse san ``Trojean Horse'' stoys kompioyter dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fobamai oti den katalaba to erwthma sas.

TSAGKARHS: Yparxoyn programmata sta kompioyter ta opoia energopoioyntai aytomata, mona toys kai soy pairnoyn as poyme ta dedomena ths kartas h otidhpote allo. Kapws etsi leitoyrgoyse ayto to programma; Dhladh htan egkatesthmeno mesa sto logismiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw giati qelete na kanete to ``kapws, etsi''. Sas exei anaferei o k. Boylgarakhs akribws etsi pws leitoyrgoyse.

KALARITHS: Eipate oti h EYP den eixe eyqynes. Yphrje kapoios sygkekrimenos foreas poy eixe thn eyqynh diasfalishs toy aporrhtoy twn epikoinwniwn koryfaiwn qesmikwn paragontwn, oxi politika, epixeirhsiaka ennow.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas anefera oti h xwra mas exei anejarthth arxh. Thn Arxh Diasfalishs Aporrhtoy Epikoinwniwn. Qesmika dhladh exei mia katoxyrwsh.

KALARITHS: Ennow oxi qesmika, ennow epixeirhsiaka. H EYP h h Astynomia, kapoios.

BOYLGARAKHS: An qelete, yparxei ena eyrytero zhthma toy tropoy leitoyrgias twn etairiwn kai ths paroxhs twn yphresiwn aytwn stoys polites, to opoio oysiastika den ryqmisthke me to jekinhma ths leitoyrgias aytwn twn etaireiwn kai den yphrje kanenos eidoys parembash oytws wste na yparjoyn diadikasies elegxoy epanalambanomenes prokeimenoy aytes oi paroxes na einai asfaleis gia toys polites. Yphrje loipon mia adeiodothsh aytwn twn etaireiwn, epeidh leitoyrgoysan. Den prokyptei apo kapoy oti h EYP einai ypeyqynh na elegxei aytes tis etaireies gia to an parexoyn asfalws th doyleia toys h oxi. Den exei kapoia eyqynh to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs gi` ayto. To Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, eneplakh sto kommati poy aforoyse th dialeykansh toy poios htan aytos o opoios mporoyse na kanei me bash kapoia stoixeia. San Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, den eixame emeis eyqynh na cajoyme na broyme ean oi etaireies swsta h laqemena ekanan th doyleia toys h an emeis eprepe na kanoyme elegxoys gia to ean h oxi pareixan asfaleia. Ayta den einai eyqynh ths EYP. Den exei kamia tetoia eyqynh h EYP. Deyteron: H emplokh opws sas ejhghse prohgoymenws o k. Roysopoylos, doqhke entolh na yparjoyn dyo parallhles ereynes. H dikastikh, opws sas ejhghse o k. Papalhgoyras kai h astynomikh, poy sas ejhgw egw. Yparxei ena zhthma to opoio qa odhghsei, opws sas eipe o k. Roysopoylos, se enan eyrytero dialogo, diakommatiko endexomenws, gia to pws prepei tetoia zhthmata na antimetwpistoyn me kapoio tropo se qesmiko epipedo. Ayto omws einai anejarthto apo thn eyqynh poy endexomenws eixe h kaqe yphresia jexwrista.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai qa epanalabw gia trith fora: Oi eyqynes qa apodoqoyn apo th Dikaiosynh. H ypoqesh den exei kleisei.

GKIWNHS: Me dedomenh th gewgrafikh parametro poy orizoyn oi keraies tis opoies eipate, egine estw kapoia anepishmh proseggish toy problhmatos dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To idio erwthma ypoblhqhke dyo fores kai apanthqhke. Isxyei h apanthsh poy doqhke.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw ton k. Papalhgoyra, k. Ypoyrge, posa atoma eklhqhsan sthn proanakrish kai me poia krithria; Exoyn klhqei kai politika proswpa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw, dinw thn idia apanthsh poy edwsa sth synadelfo sas molis prin. H prokatarktikh ejetash einai apo to nomo mystikh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den mporeite na mas peite tipota allo; Me poia krithria eklhqhsan oi martyres.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mystikh, den mporoyme na poyme tipota allo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ma den qelw na moy peite ti leei to porisma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mystikh gia oloys oxi mono gia toys dhmosiografoys kai gia toys alloys polites alla kai gia ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs.

KORAH: Dedomenoy oti o Prwqypoyrgos ths Elladas kai to miso Ypoyrgiko Symboylio epi 4 mhnes htan katw apo th stenh parakoloyqhsh kapoiwn dynamewn, ayto den plhttei thn eikona ths xwras sto ejwteriko; Dhladh, me bash th roh twn plhroforiwn den etyxe paradeigma allhs xwras na eixe thn idia antimetwpish. Mhpws sas qeloyn kai ligo jefrago ampeli kai dokimazoyn an qelete kai dika toys logismika edw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas kanete laqos sto xroniko diasthma. Anaferqhka safws sthn arxh. Parakalw antilambanomai oti eiste koyrasmenh endexomenws@

KORAH: Mporei na me exei koyrasei edw h parakoloyqhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na ypobalete kai to deytero erwthma sas;

KORAH: Dhladh, den plhttetai h eikona ths xwras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kai prohgoymenws -kai den qa koyrastw na to epanalambanw sthn aiqoysa ths enhmerwshs twn dhmosiografwn- oti ta sxolia kai ta symperasmata einai sthn apolyth kai diakritikh eyxereia twn dhmosiografwn.

KORAH: Den einai sxolio. Einai@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw afhste me na oloklhrwsw. Ayto to opoio ofeilei na kanei h kybernhsh -kai ayto kanei shmera h kybernhsh- me ypeyqyno kai qesmiko tropo, einai na enhmerwsei toys Ellhnes polites gia mia ypoqesh. Na mhn thn koykoylwsei dhladh, na mhn thn krycei. Pragma to opoio apodeiknyetai ws proqesh ths kai apofash ths apo thn prwth stigmh poy gnwstopoihqhke sthn kybernhsh to qema. Ypenqymizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos edwse amesws entolh gia th diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs, pragma to opoio shmainei oti qa odhgoyse anapofeyktws: Prwton, se kapoia symperasmata kai deyteron sth dhmosiopoihsh ths ypoqeshs. Se o,ti afora an symbainei to a@ h to b@ sxolio to opoio kanete, einai sth dikh sas diakritikh eyxereia na to gracete h na mhn to gracete sthn efhmerida sas.

KORAH: Mas eipate prohgoymenws oti ta proswpa ta opoia htan ypo parakoloyqhsh, den enhmerwqhkan. Den toys eginan oyte kan kapoies systaseis, estw emmeses; Dioti ektimw oti oi sygkekrimenes dynameis den epelejan tyxaia, as poyme, ton k. Boylgarakh h thn k. Mpakogiannh h ton k. Gianno Papantwnioy gia na toys parakoloyqoyn. Eixan toys logoys toys. Ara, me thn ejafanish toy sygkekrimenoy logismikoy, mporei sth synexeia na prospaqoysan na kanoyn ereyna, na entopisoyn tis aporrhtes synomilies toys me allo tropo. Den toys eginan oyte aples paraineseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws jexasate ayto poy sas eipe o k. Boylgarakhs. Oti amesws meta to kroysma ayto eginan syzhthseis kai enhmerwqhkan oi ypoloipes etaireies thlefwnias. Eginan dhladh oles oi aparaithtes energeies.

KORAH: Gia ta proswpa milhsa kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eginan oles oi aparaithtes energeies prokeimenoy na diapistwqei o elegxos, sto megalytero dynato baqmo, sta qemata ths asfaleias ths kinhths thlefwnias. Se o,ti afora to erwthma sas, epitrecte moy na pw oti exw apanthsei hdh giati ypoblhqhke pali prin apo ligh wra.

BLAXOS: Eseis kai olh h kybernhsh mas diabebaiwnate oti oi Olympiakoi Agwnes eginan me apolyth asfaleia. Apodeiknyetai shmera oti den eixe elegxqei toylaxiston to epikoinwniako systhma, oyte kan toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ara, loipon, kapoios den ekane swsta th doyleia toy. Kapoios enhmerwse thn politikh hgesia toy topoy oti yphrxe apolyth asfaleia ki eseis bgainete kai enhmerwnete ton Ellhniko lao. Poios einai aytos, loipon, poy den ekane swsta th doyleia toy kai enhmerwse esfalmena thn politikh hgesia; H EYP, to Ypoyrgeio, kapoies alles yphresies; Poies einai aytes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw oti exei erwthqei pali to idio qema kai exei apanthqei. Qa pw oti einai mia statikh kai aploysteytikh proseggish se ena qema to opoio emplekei ychlh texnologia, poy apotelei zhthma oxi apla endiaferontos alla kai ereynas, zhthma apasxolhshs gia perissoteres ths mias xwres, opws einai h dikh mas -dioti gnwrizete poly kala oti h ychlh texnologia eite mesa apo to diadiktyo, eite me alloys tropoys, apasxolei kai thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai alles xwres- einai ena qema gia to opoio den mporei na pei kaneis kati perissotero. To proseggizete me ena statiko tropo kai epitrecte moy na pw kai me enan aploysteytiko tropo. Einai bebaiws, dikaiwma sas.

BLAXOS: Moy lete na apeyqynqw se allon ekproswpo, allhs xwras dhladh; Me sygxwreite. Eseis kanate Olympiakoys Agwnes, esas rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Einai statikh kai aploysteytikh h proseggish sas.

BLAXOS: Einai aploysteytikotath.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kala kanete kai thn ypobalete. Einai dikaiwma sas.

BLAXOS: To qema einai oti kapoios elege ston Ellhniko lao oti eginan me asfaleia oi Olympiakoi Agwnes, alla den eginan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi Olympiakoi Agwnes, ek toy apotelesmatos, einai oi asfalesteroi Olympiakoi Agwnes poy eginan pote se ena dieqnes periballon anasfaleias, opws qymaste. Polla eixan eipwqei, polla eixan grafei dieqnws, polla eixan akoystei dieqnws gia thn ikanothta ths xwras ayths na diorganwsei asfaleis Olympiakoys Agwnes. H apanthsh doqhke sthn prajh. H dikh sas eikotologia, loipon, epanalambanw oti einai statikh kai aploysteytikh se sxesh me thn ychlh texnologia poy xrhsimopoihqhke sthn prokeimenh periptwsh.

ADAM: Epimeinate kat` epanalhch oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi Ypoyrgoi xrhsimopoioyn seira kartokinhtwn h allwn kinhtwn thlefwnwn. Ayta ta sygkekrimena, egklwbismena thlefwna, apo thn ereyna poy exei ginei mexri twra, mporeite na mas peite an htan apolyths, syxnhs h kaqhmerinhs xrhshs twn idiokthtwn toys h htan kapoia peristasiaka thlefwna poy kapote xrhsimopoioysan; Kai an h ereyna sas exei epitrecei na katalhjete h na omadopoihsete tis parakoloyqhseis apo ta thlefwna ayta, symperainete oti exoyn ginei shmantikes synomilies eite me stelexh ths kybernhshs, eite sto ejwteriko h aplws aforoyn proswpikes synomilies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa apokleisw tipote. Qa pw kai pali oti me bash toys ariqmoys toys opoioys eidame -se o,ti afora ton Prwqypoyrgo qa milhsw mono- einai mikro to pososto twn thlefwnikwn syndialejewn poy eixe apo to sygkekrimeno thlefwno.

ADAM: Mhpws o k. Boylgarakhs mporei na mas pei gia th dikh toy periptwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai. Ektos an o k. Boylgarakhs qelei na pei kati perissotero.

XIDIROGLOY: Sthn eisagwgh poy mas kanate mas anaferate thn proqesh ths kybernhshs gia th sygklhsh ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, an den kanw laqos. Epishs, apo ayta poy mas eipe o k. Boylgarakhs apantwntas stis erwthseis twn synadelfwn gia ta osa syzhtoyme shmera, sygkratw edw ``eyrytero zhthma tropoy leitoyrgias etaireiwn kai paroxhs yphresiwn''. Epishs o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs mas eipe oti den ryqmisthke apo thn arxh h leitoyrgia twn etaireiwn aytwn wste na yparjei asfaleia stis syndialejeis. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai an yparxei proqesh ths kybernhshs na nomoqethsei sxetika wste na kalyfqoyn ta kena;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn hdh doqei apanthseis. Xwris kan na erwthqw sthn arxh eipa ``an kriqei aparaithto''. Symplhrwmatika to mono kainoyrio stoixeio poy mporw na sas pw einai oti o Proedros ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias k. Karamarios enhmerwqhke apo to prwi oti qa toy zhthqei na sygklhqei h Epitroph stis epomenes hmeres. To anakoinwsa kai ayto.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: An katalaba kala, to mono poy meta bebaiothtos den amfisbhteite apo ta osa mas metaferate, einai oti an den eixe katastrafei to logismiko apo th sygkekrimenh etaireia, oti me thn katastrofh toy mallon, xaqhke, apwlesqhke h dynatothta na breqoyn th sygkekrimenh stigmh oi sygkekrimenoi xrhstes aytoy toy diktyoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa sthn erwthsh poy moy eteqh apo thn k. Taboylarh. Einai piqanon. Eipate meta bebaiothtas, enw egw den eipa ``meta bebaiothtas''. Eipa ``einai piqanon''. Na eimaste akribeis giati to qema einai shmantiko.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Ara, h kybernhsh afhnei anoixto to endexomeno na mporoyse na paei sthn ereyna ths 5 bhmata pio katw, an den eixe katastrafei to logismiko. Swsta; Eipe o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs oti o k. Korwnias thrhse mia poly ypeyqynh stash. Erwtw, loipon, esas ws ekproswpo ths kybernhshs an ayth thn ektimhsh toy k. Boylgarakh symmerizetai ws epishmh qesh kai h kybernhsh, se o,ti afora toys xeirismoys kai th stash ths etaireias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Boylgarakhs htan safhs. Safhs hmoyn ki egw giati erwthqhka gia to idio qema nwritera. O k. Boylgarakhs eipa oti -einai parwn kai to eipe kai to akoysame oloi- anaferqhke sthn ypeyqynh stash toy k. Korwnia na enhmerwsei thn kybernhsh. Kata ta loipa, symplhrwsa -kai qa epimeinw se ayto- h ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs einai anoixth. Ean yparxoyn kai opoy yparxoyn eyqynes, eimai bebaios oti h anejarthsia ths Dikaiosynhs, o tropos leitoyrgias ths Dikaiosynhs sth xwra mas qa odhghsei stis eyqynes aytes kai qa apodwsei tis eyqynes aytes.

BOYLGARAKHS: Giati to eipa ayto. Katarxas qa mporoyse o k. Korwnias na mhn eidopoihsei kaqoloy thn kybernhsh gia to systhma kai na mhn parei kanenas xampari. Qa mporoyse na ginei. Deyteron, qa mporoyse anti na apeyqynqei sthn kybernhsh, na kanei mia dhmosia kataggelia, gia paradeigma sthn Arxh Prostasias toy Aporrhtoy twn Thlepikoinwniwn kai an yphrxe estw kai mia piqanothta -endexomenws mesw ths xrhshs twn kinhtwn thlefwnwn- na pame se kapoioys anqrwpoys poy ta xrhsimopoioysan. Kamia fora otan to blepei kaneis apologistika, to blepei kapws pio apomakrysmena. Htan para poly dyskolo, katarxas. Otan eidame ta 14 thlefwna, to prwto poy zhthsame htan na doyme ti kinhseis eixan ayta ta 14 thlefwna. Phrame tis kinhseis. Diapistwsame ena terastio ogko klhsewn kai eprepe aytos o ogkos klhsewn na jexwristei an anhke sto gkroyp A, dhladh sthn omada twn thlefwnwn poy htan san ntoymplej as poyme, h alla. Ta mhnymata, ta MMS, ola. Otan diejagotan ayth h ereyna, den mporoyse kaneis eykola na fantastei oti apo ola ayta ta thlefwna qa yphrxe estw ena poy qa odhgoyse kapoy. Giati milame gia ena terastio ogko. Sas lew gia paradeigma oti klimakio ths Astynomias kai ths EYP efygan apo thn Aqhna kai phgan sthn Andro. Dioti yphrxe mia klhsh apo thn Andro se ola ta thlefwna ayta. Kai apodeixqhke oti aytos o anqrwpos epairne enan syggenh toy o opoios pragmati kateixe to thlefwno ayto prin apo kapoia xronia. Ayto omws eprepe na diapistwqei.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Me sygxwreite kyrie Ypoyrge, eixe kai allh epilogh h etaireia ektos apo aytes poy lete.

BOYLGARAKHS: Afhste me na oloklhrwsw. Otan anaferqhka sthn ypeyqynh stash toy k. Korwnia ejhgoysa oti qa mporoyse o k. Korwnias na mhn to pei sthn kybernhsh.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Kai qa mporoyse na to pei kai nwritera.

BOYLGARAKHS: Qa mporoyse endexomenws na kanei mia dhmosia kataggelia. Fantazomai -alla ayto den afora emas, egw mono mia ejhghsh mporw na dwsw se ayto- oti to prwto pragma poy kanei kaneis otan diapistwnei oti symbainei kati paranomo sthn etaireia toy einai na pacei na yparxei h paranomia sto mellon. Dioti h prwth proteraiothta ths etaireias einai na leitoyrghsei me kapoia dika ths krithria. Ayto omws qa to pei h ereyna.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na rwthsw an kapoio apo ta kybernhtika stelexh poy parakoloyqoyntan kai poy einai toylaxiston dyo edw shmera mazi mas, kinhqhke h skopeyei na kinhqei nomika kata ths etaireias Vodafone.

PAPALHGOYRAS: Na sas apanthsw amesws oti den to exw skefqei. Einai poly oysiastikoterh h antimetwpish ths ypoqeshs opws shmera edw perigrafetai. Den exw kaqoloy mpei sth qesh toy na dw proswpika thn ypoqesh ayth.

BOYLGARAKHS: To meizon sthn ypoqesh ayth einai h diasfalish twn epikoinwniwn stoys Ellhnes polites kai h plhrhs diabebaiwsh oti ayto to pragma apotelei mia asfalh diadikasia. Ayto einai to meizon.

GALIATSATOS: Dyo texnikhs fysews erwthseis. H prwth einai an eixe enhmerwqei sth diarkeia olhs ths diadikasias h Arxh Thrhshs Aporrhtoy twn Thlepikoinwniwn h opoia einai anejarthth arxh kai nomizw oti aptetai ths armodiothtas ths to qema. To deytero einai an exei zhthqei dieqnhs syndromh gia thn patrothta toy peiratikoy logismikoy. Giati milame gia ena logismiko ychlhs episthmonikothtas to opoio den einai eykolo na kataskeyastei apo ton opoiondhpote.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalaba to deytero erwthma sas.

GALIATSATOS: Gia na ftiajei ena tetoio logismiko to opoio na einai symbato kai me to programma ths Ericsson kai na doyleyei etsi, yparxoyn ligoi anqrwpoi ston kosmo oi opoioi mporoyn na to kataferoyn ayto. Rwtaw an exei zhthqei dieqnhs syndromh, dhladh, synergasia me amerikanikes, bretanikes mystikes yphresies gia na diereynhqei to ixnos toy apotypwmatos ayto sto logismiko. Yparxoyn anqrwpoi oi opoio apo ena logismiko mporoyn na katalhjoyn kai ston kataskeyasth toy. Ayto rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, ola ta stoixeia ta opoia apoteloyn antikeimeno ths ereynas, ereynwntai kai qa ereynhqoyn. Ta stoixeia fylassontai. Den exei katastrafei tipote. Bebaiws, qa synexistei h ereyna, giati eipame kai prin oti h prokatarktikh ejetash oloklhrwqhke.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Poioi enhmerwqhkan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa nwritera se erwthmata gia to poioi enhmerwqhkan kai eipa poioi exoyn enhmerwqei.

GALIATSATOS: (Den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ereyna htan astynomikhs kai dikastikhs fysews ekei poy (den akoygetai). Epishs enhmerwqhkan, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, oi etaireies kinhths thlefwnias kai eginan oi antistoixoi kai problepomenoi elegxoi.

LAMPROPOYLOS: Dyo zhthmata texnikhs fysews. Kyrie Boylgarakh, oi anqrwpoi poy epikoinwnhsate mazi toys gia na deite poy thlefwnoysan estw kai ek twn ysterwn xwris na gnwrizoyn oi idiwtes, edwsan kanena dieykrinistiko stoixeio, an eixan apanthqei estw kapoies apo aytes tis klhseis toys, apo poioys apanthqhkan kai ti katedeije h ereyna sta 2 @ 3 katasthmata poy apokthqhkan ayta ta kinhta thlefwna; Mas eipate sthn ``Hbh'', sth Nea Iwnia ktl.

BOYLGARAKHS: O. k. Lampropoylos, epeidh kalyptei to astynomiko reportaz, dinei ena endiaferon stoixeio. To prwto pragma poy mas entypwsiase otan phrame th lista twn thlefwnwn htan oti oi klhseis aytes htan deyteroleptwn, poy shmainei oti den yphrxe synomilia sta thlefwna ayta. Dhladh oi klhseis poy dexontan ta thlefwna ayta apo thn omada B, h opoia htan kai pros diereynhsh. Dioti h omada A htan to diko moy thlefwno, toy k. Papalhgoyra, toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy ktl. Htan gnwsta ta thlefwna ayta. H deyterh omws omada poy caxname, htan klhseis deyteroleptwn. Ena deyterolepto, enamish deyterolepto. Den htan klhseis kanonikes. Opote h prwth aisqhsh htan oti mhpws me aytes tis klhseis dinotan kapoios kwdikos h energopoihto ena systhma, endexomenws, mesw toy opoioy qa mporoysan na paroyn kapoia dedomena apo ayta ta opoia legontan. Gi` ayto kai htan toso megalos o ogkos. Synepws, otan emeis kaname mia proseggish toy tade anqrwpoy, o opoios xrhsimopoioyse to thlefwno, thn kaname gnwrizontas kai poses fores eixe kalesei, kai posh wra eixe milhsei kai an ayto to thlefwno htan, gia paradeigma, thlefwno to opoio eixe xrhsimopoihqei kai palaiotera se sxesh me ayto ton ariqmo. Qelw na pw dhladh, oti egine mia poly megalh ereyna sto qema ayto.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ti apantoysan; Ti eipan aytoi; Ayta ta 3 @ 4 deyterolepta, ti synebaine;

BOYLGARAKHS: Epairnan ton Boylgarakh, gia paradeigma, poy nomizan pws eixe to thlefwno, aytos den apantoyse, elege sas milaei o thlefwnhths kai ekleine.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Agglika, Ellhnika;

BOYLGARAKHS: Ellhnika htan ola ayta. Ma ki emeis kalesame polles fores.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sta katasthmata poy phgate sth Nea Iwnia@;

BOYLGARAKHS: Htan mia proseggish. Den yphrxe@

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Na rwthsw kai kati akomh. Katalhgoyme se ena symperasma. Yparxei mia endeijh, loipon, symmetoxhs ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias. Kai gyrnaw sthn periodo ayth, Ioynios toy 2004. H Amerikanikh Presbeia, oi Amerikanoi sthn Ellada piezoyn gia na yparxoyn metra, yparxei h agora toy systhmatos aytoy toy C4I apo thn Amerikanikh koinoprajia ths (den akoygetai) poy exei paroysiasei emplokh, piezoyn gia na einai enoploi Amerikanoi edw, kanoyn symfwnies epi symfwniwn @an den kanw laqos kai sto gymnasthrio toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs egkatastaqhke ena systhma gia na yparxei on line systhma me thn CIA- kai twra yparxei safhs endeijh oti pleon parakoloyqoysan kai ta thlefwna oloklhroy toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai meta oxi mono teleiwse olh ayth h periodos twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, alla synexisan na proxwroyn s` aytes tis parakoloyqhseis kai s` ayto to terastio diktyo. Yparxei ena sxolio gia olo ayto to zhthma me oti eixame zhsei ekeinh thn periodo me thn piesh twn Amerikanwn poy twra prostiqetai oti yparxei safhs endeijh oti parakoloyqoysan kai ta thlefwna twn Ypoyrgwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio gia thn antilhptikh sas ikanothta kai to pws katalhgete se symperasmata. H prokatarktikh ejetash dihrkese para polloys mhnes kai proxwraei h dikastikh ereyna. Qa qewroysa proxeiro na katalhjei kaneis se opoiadhpote parelkystika symperasmata. Aytoi einai oi monoi xarakthrismoi poy qa hqela na xrhsimopoihsw sxoliazontas to symperasma sas. Eipa kai prohgoymenws oti einai dikaiwma sas na bgazete ta opoia symperasmata sas, se keimeno, arqro, analysh h reportaz. Reportaz mallon dyskolo, giati to reportaz einai ola ta stoixeia poy sas dwsame shmera, o,ti stoixeia diaqetoyme kai o,ti stoixeia edoqhsan sth Dikaiosynh. Opoiadhpote alla stoixeia doqoyn sth Dikaiosynh, qa ta ereynhsei. Den mporoyme na gnwrizoyme perissoteres leptomereies se ayto. Qa parakalesw ta symperasmata na einai apokleistika dika sas kai me megalyterh prosoxh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sthn astynomikh ereyna poy egine, poy synexizetai kai poy qa synexistei, symmeteixan, symmetasxoyn h qa symmetasxoyn melh diwktikwn arxwn jenwn xwrwn kai poiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei erwthqei toylaxiston treis fores to qema kai exei apanthqei apo ton k. Boylgarakh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa hqela na dieykrinisoyme telika, poia periodo eginan aytes oi ypoklopes. Eipate to krisimo dimhno twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, o k. Papalhgoyras xrhsimopoihse kai mia frash, progenestera. To ``progenestera'' paei kai prin tis teleytaies boyleytikes ekloges; Epi PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas diabasw ti sas eipa sthn arxh. Kai antilambanomai oti einai ena sobaro qema, alla to eipa poly jekaqara sthn arxh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Epitrecte moy, ayto den to eipate. To ``progenestera'' shmainei kai 5 xronia prin as poyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sas diabasw ti eipa sthn arxh, efoson den to akoysate sthn kalyterh twn periptwsewn. Lew: To de xroniko diasthma twn parakoloyqhsewn prosdiorizetai symfwna me tis syllegeises plhrofories stis periodoys prin toys Olympiakoys Agwnes 2004 kai kata pasa piqanothta ews thn anakalych ths energeias, dhladh, to Martio toy 2005. Se erwthma alloy synadelfoy sas, prohgoymenws, gia to parelqon, epishs apanthsa. Ara, loipon, tiqetai ena erwthma to opoio exei apanthqei toylaxiston dyo fores s` ayth thn aiqoysa.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite -den jerw an apo ta symfrazomena prokyptei, alla qa hqela an jerete na moy to peite akribws- ta perissotera apo ayth th lista twn kinhtwn thlefwnwn poy parakoloyqoyntan, htan thlefwna proswpika h yphresiaka; Dhladh, ariqmoi yphresiakoi h proswpikoi; Giati kaqe stelexos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn exei ena proswpiko kai ena yphresiako. Prokyptei kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To eipe kai o k. Boylgarakhs. Htan kai to ena kai to allo.

TERZHS: Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs. Meta apo ayth thn apokalych, tiqetai qema empistosynhs sth synergasia twn ellhnikwn arxwn asfaleias kai twn amerikanikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eteqh tetoio qema. Exw apanthsei hdh sta erwthmata ayta. Ekeino to opoio tiqetai enwpion mas einai: Prwton, h diereynhsh peraiterw enos shmantikoy qematos. Deyteron, h tyxon anagkh dhmioyrgias peraiterw qesmikwn dikleidwn kai ayth qa syzhthqei sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs. Triton, ekeino poy eteqh enwpion sas kai enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy shmera, htan h pragmatopoihsh mias safoys politikhs desmeyshs toy kommatos poy shmera kyberna: O poliths qa gnwrizei, o poliths dikaioytai na gnwrizei, o poliths qa enhmerwnetai me diafaneia se oloys toys tomeis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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BOYLGARAKHS GEWRGIOS APOST.

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BALINAKHS IWANNHS GEWRGIOY

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GIANNOPOYLOS NIKOLAOS BLAS

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MPARMPAROYSH DHMHTRA

BITOYNH DESPOINA IWANNH

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