Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-01

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Aqhna, 1 Febroyarioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalo mhna.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 11:00, qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Serbias-Mayroboynioy k. Sbetozar Marobits.

@Stis 14:30 qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Gazprom k. Alejei Miler. Sth synanthsh qa pareyrisketai kai o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Dhmhtrhs Sioyfas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Me th nea kybernhsh, pote qa synanthqei;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw, ti qelete na peite.

BLAXOS: Ayta poy fhmologoyntai oti qa allajei to kybernhtiko sxhma.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena apolytws sxolio gia to qema toy anasxhmatismoy. O,ti eixame na poyme, to eipame.

RABANOS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th xqesinh kinhsh twn trapezitwn gia tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis kai thn apofash toys na proxwrhsoyn se diapragmateyseis ana trapeza;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den parembainei stis symbaseis. Ayto einai qema twn koinwnikwn etairwn.

MPOTSARAKOS: Anejarthtws toy an parembainei h oxi, yparxei omws ena qema, ``anoigei paraqyro'' gia thn katarghsh twn kladikwn symbasewn. Ayto den problhmatizei thn kybernhsh; Giati mexri shmera yphrxe ena staqero kaqestws ws pros ton tropo poy ginontan oi diapragmateyseis. An allajei ayto stis trapezes, anoigei o dromos na allajei kai se alloys kladoys ths oikonomias. Ayto den sas problhmatizei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Sas lew oti ayta einai qemata poy aforoyn toys koinwnikoys etairoys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh den parembainei se qemata poy aforoyn tis trapezes@

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa oti den parembainoyme stis symbaseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na rwthsw to ejhs: Treis apo tis trapezes poy symmetexoyn sto dialogo kai sthn oysia arnoyntai tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis, an den kanw laqos einai h Eqnikh, h Emporikh kai h Agrotikh, stis opoies symmetexei to kratos, qelete na peite oti den exoyn erqei se apeyqeias epikoinwnia me kapoion ypoyrgo ths kybernhshs, me ton armodio ypoyrgo ton k. Alogoskoyfh;

ANTWNAROS: Oles oi trapezes -kai aytes poy anaferate- leitoyrgoyn me idiwtikooikonomika krithria.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qelete na peite oti kai oi dioikhseis twn trapezwn, o k. Arapogloy en prokeimenw@

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Edw exoyme mia synolikh allagh twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, toso apo thn pleyra toy SEB gia tis kladikes symbaseis, oso kai apo thn pleyra, twra, twn trapezitwn. H kybernhsh einai oydeteros parathrhths se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw se ti anafereste.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxei h aisqhsh oti h kybernhsh exei ftiajei ayto to politiko plaisio@

ANTWNAROS: H aisqhsh, sthn opoia anaferqhkate apotelei profanws diko sas sxolio, to opoio kai mporeite na kanete ekei opoy ergazeste.

SIDERHS: Alhqeyei h plhroforia oti o Prwqypoyrgos esteile sygxarhthrio thlegrafhma ston k. Boylgarakh gia tis allepallhles epityxies ths astynomias ton teleytaio kairo;

ANTWNAROS: Qa qelate isws na meidiasw me ayto to opoio eipate;

SIDERHS: Qelw na sxoliasete ta tektainomena. Xqes, molis, eixame dyo peristatika: Ena me ton Proedro ths GSEE kai ena me thn trapeza. Apotelesma, mhden. Prin apo liges hmeres eixame alla. Na sas ta qymisw;

ANTWNAROS: Ti qelete na peite me ayto;

SIDERHS: Oti katagrafetai sto paqhtiko ths kybernhshs o tomeas dhmosias asfaleias kai an h kybernhsh h o Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na parei kapoia metra. Den anaferomai se anasxhmatismo. Na dwsei perissoterh emfash sthn asfaleia twn politwn.

ANTWNAROS: Oi polites sthn Ellada aisqanontai asfaleis.

BLAXOS: O k. Polyzwgopoylos den aisqanetai asfalhs. Htan sto kentro ths Aqhnas, kykloforoysan anqrwpoi me ropala kai me kranh eleyqera. Diesxisan mia megalh apostash kai den yphrxe kanenas na prostatecei toys polites. Kai malista sto sygkekrimeno shmeio einai kai to grafeio toy k. Boylgarakh.

ANTWNAROS: Mh dhmioyrgeite, parakalw, entypwseis me genikologes topoqethseis.

BLAXOS: Kamia entypwsh den dhmioyrgw. Epishmainw oti sthn odo Nayarinoy einai kai to grafeio toy k. Boylgarakh. Qa mporoyse na yphrxe ekei mia froyra.

ANTWNAROS: To ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kanei oles tis aparaithtes energeies, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyn sth Dikaiosynh oi drastes toy sygkekrimenoy symbantos to opoio, opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh, dia stomatos toy k. Roysopoyloy, apo thn prwth stigmh sth Boylh katadikase aperifrasta.

SPYRAKH: O ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Panagiwtopoylos milhse shmera se Mesa Enhmerwshs kai xarakthrise thn perioxh twn Ejarxeiwn ``gketo''. Zhthse malista ayto to ``gketo'' na dialyqei. Qelw na rwthsw, ean einai politikh apofash ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei sto jekaqarisma aytwn poy leme ``gnwstwn agnwstwn'' sta Ejarxeia.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy th sygkekrimenh dhlwsh sthn opoia anafereste. Apofash ths kybernhshs einai na epiballontai h tajh kai o nomos, opoy ayto apaiteitai.

KAKALHS: Pws h kybernhsh paristanei ton Pontio Pilato sto qema twn syllogikwn symbasewn apo th stigmh poy me to nomo gia tis DEKO katargei tis syllogikes symbaseis me to arqro 14; Kai epipleon organwnei to dialogo gia ta Topika Symfwna Apasxolhshs, ta opoia katargoyn tis syllogikes symbaseis.

ANTWNAROS: O tropos me ton opoion paroysiazete to qema den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. To arqro 14 anaferetai rhta se sygkekrimenh omada epixeirhsewn DEKO. Parexei ena eylogo xroniko diasthma stis dyo pleyres na kaqisoyn se ena trapezi diapragmateysewn, pros ejeyresh mias koinhs synistamenhs, wste na ejasfalistei to mellon kai h leitoyrgia aytwn twn epixeirhsewn. Kai an ayto den ginei, tote to qema ryqmizetai dia nomoy. Den katargoyntai, loipon, opws lete@

KAKALHS: Ara to kratos tis katargei sthn prajh tis syllogikes symbaseis.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Dhmioyrgeite edw mesa lanqasmenes entypwseis peri dhqen katarghsews twn syllogikwn symbasewn synolika. Tetoio qema den yparxei sto sygkekrimeno nomo kai eidikotera sto arqro 14, to opoio kai epikalesthkate, poyqena.

KAKALHS: Ayto to lene kai oi syndikalistes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai shmera toys akoysa na to epanalambanoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas lew ti problepei o nomos.

KAKALHS: Diabazoyme ki emeis toys nomoys, alla peite mas poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia tis syllogikes symbaseis. Eiste yper twn syllogikwn symbasewn h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Oi diapragmateyseis poy ginontai gia tis symbaseis aforoyn toys koinwnikoys etairoys.

KAKALHS: Empleketai kai h kybernhsh sto qema.

ANTWNAROS: Kata th dikh sas antilhch, oxi, omws kata th dikh mas. H kybernhsh den parembainei.

KAKALHS: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs apenanti stis syllogikes symbaseis, ws qesmos;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Den katalaba.

ANTWNAROS: Lypamai an den katalabate, alla meta apo toses apanthseis, den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

MPOTSARAKOS: H alhqeia einai oti me th qesh ayth oti afora toys koinwnikoys etairoys, dhmioyrgeitai h aisqhsh oti afhnete toys ergazomenoys aprostateytoys apenanti stis epidiwjeis twn ergodotwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai pws katalhgete se tetoia abasima symperasmata.

MPOTSARAKOS: Otan lete oti einai qema twn koinwnikwn etairwn oi diapragmateyseis gia tis symbaseis, afhnete toys ergazomenoys se qesh amynas apenanti stoys ergodotes poy qeloyn na katarghqoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Amfisbhteite dhladh th dynamh twn epixeirhmatwn kai thn ikanothta twn ergazomenwn na diekdikhsoyn me diapragmateyseis ta dikaiwmata toys; Einai periergh apoch ayth. Eseis mporeite na to amfisbhteite. Egw, pantws, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, den to amfisbhtw.

GKOYTZANHS: To erwthma einai ligo diaforetiko kai den mas exete apanthsei. Leme oti einai ena meizon qema h aporyqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn. Ayto den afora thn kybernhsh; Lete oti einai qema mono twn koinwnikwn etairwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Se ayto den exete apanthsei. Toylaxiston se emena den apanthsate. Moy eipate oti dhmioyrgw entypwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw oti einai qema twn koinwnikwn etairwn sto opoio den parembainei h kybernhsh. Den exw na pw tipote allo panw s` ayto.

KAKALHS: Pws einai dynaton se synqhkes ergasiakhs zoygklas, apo th stigmh poy katargoyntai oi syllogikes symbaseis ergasias na mhn isxyei o nomos toy isxyroteroy.

ANTWNAROS: Me ekplhssei oti eidika eseis amfisbhteite gia mia akomh fora, to dikaiwma kai thn ikanothta twn ergazomenwn na diekdikoyn me diapragmateyseis ayto to opoio qeloyn na diekdikhsoyn.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla h kybernhsh rixnei to baros yper ths ergodosias.

SIDERHS: Eseis dhladh den amfisbhteite thn ikanothta twn ergazomenwn na diapragmateyontai th sfagh toys giati ayto qa ginei me ta topika symfwna apasxolhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Mhn jexnate oti oi ergazomenoi exoyn sygkekrimenes apoceis epi aytwn twn qematwn, poy den einai panta taytoshmes me thn grammh, poy eseis ekfrazete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh den kalyfqhke apo thn apanthsh sas, sto qema Polyzwgopoyloy, epanerxomai. Aporw h nomizw h aporia mporei na einai kai allo, pws kai enw exei perasei peripoy ena 24wro, den exei ginei kamia syllhch para tis energeies ths astynomias. Giati egine se ena xwro, opoy bebaiws den einai oti einai dyo h treis anqrwpoi mono. Einai enas xwros poy kykloforei polys kosmos.

ANTWNAROS: Oi ereynes einai se ejelijh. Otan exoyn na anakoinwsoyn kati to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai h Ellhnikh Astynomia, qa to kanoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh yparxei h aisqhsh oti qa anakoinwsei kati grhgora;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Oi anakoinwseis qa ginoyn, otan yparjei kati pros anakoinwsh.

KOTARIDHS: H kybernhsh problhmatizetai gia to gegonos oti para toy oti exei perasei enamish xronos apo toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, den leitoyrgei kanena apo ta panakriba metra asfaleias poy plhrwsame sto limani toy Peiraia;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, gia qemata systhmatwn asfaleias yparxoyn se ejelijh diapragmateyseis. Eixa kanei prosfata mia syntomh anafora. Den exw na pw tipote allo panw se ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Ti diapragmateyomaste, me sygxwreite, giati exoyn teleiwsei oi Olympiakoi Agwnes. Ti diapragmateyomaste; Yparxei mia symbash, h opoia proeblepe oti h sygkekrimenh etairia, den jerw pws legetai ayth, h opoia etairia, eprepe na exei paradwsei ayta ta systhmata en leitoyrgia kata th diarkeia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Den exw katalabei, ayth th stigmh ti diapragmateyomaste;

ANTWNAROS: Einai eidiko qema kai qa sas parakaloysa na apeyqynqeite sta armodia Ypoyrgeia.

TSIODRAS: Ennoeite gia thn parakoloyqhsh thlefwnikwn syndialejewn;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den exw na pw tipote allo panw se ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Milate gia to C4I;

ANTWNAROS: Eixa anaferqei se ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara kai se aytes tis diapragmateyseis einai poy qa labei meros kai o k. Markogiannakhs, an den kanw laqos, gia to logo gia ton opoio telos pantwn klhqhke pali ws atypos symboylos.

ANTWNAROS: Den eklhqh ws atypos symboylos. Klhqhke me ton tropo me ton opoio exw perigracei s` ayth thn aiqoysa, otan eteqh to qema, pro dyo ebdomadwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxei katalhktikh hmeromhnia gia tis diapragmateyseis, sxetika me to C4I;

ANTWNAROS: Einai eidiko qema. Parakalw, apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete h kybernhsh to gegonos oti oi eji trapezes poy den proserxontai stis syzhthseis gia tis syllogikes kladikes diapragmateyseis, to prwto 9mhno toy 2005 eixan ayjhsh kerdwn 45%, dyo dis eyrw, peripoy 7.500 ekat. thn hmera, dhladh ta kerdh ayta gia thn kybernhsh den einai arketa deka fores panw apo ton plhqwrismo. Den einai arketa ayta ta kerdh kai dikaiologeitai parapera h meiwsh toy ergatikoy kostoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw thn kerdoforia kamias epixeirhshs.

KAKALHS: Ma aytos ypotiqetai, einai o stoxos ths kybernhshs. To exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos. O stoxos einai h enqarrynsh ths epixeirhmatikothtas gia na erqoyn kalyteres qeseis ergasias ktl.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Den qa sxoliasw thn kerdoforia kamias apolytws epixeirhshs.

KAKALHS: Rwtaw loipon, oti an ayta ta kerdh den einai arketa kai h kybernhsh eylogei thn epidiwjh twn trapezwn gia na meiwsoyn parapera to ergatiko kostos.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka sto qema: Den exw na prosqesw tipota. H kybernhsh den parembainei stis symbaseis. Ayto einai qema poy afora toys koinwnikoys etairoys.

KAKALHS: Giati den ypografei afoy sebetai to qesmo twn syllogikwn symbasewn, giati den ypografei syllogikes symbaseis me thn ADEDY, poy afora to synolo toy dhmosioy tomea kai einai dikh ths armodiothta.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn.

MPOTSARAKOS: Me ayto poy lete omws oti h kybernhsh den parembainei, to PASOK briskei aformh, den jerw an einai kai h pragmatikh aitia na sas kathgorhsei oti eseis dhmioyrgeite me tis apofaseis sas kai me th stash sas ena politiko plaisio poy epitrepei stoys ergodotes na katargoyn kekthmena twn ergazomenwn. Kai sas apodidei eyqynes gia oles aytes tis kinhseis twn ergodotwn.

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK kala qa kanei na asxolhqei me oti den ekane ta polla xronia poy breqhke sthn ejoysia kai me tis megales paraleiceis ths dikhs toy diakybernhshs. As afhsei ton ellhniko lao na krinei, opws krinei hdh, poly qetika to metarryqmistiko ergo ths kybernhshs.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh eipate gia to metarryqmistiko ergo, dhladh ayth h aporyqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn entassetai kata thn apoch sas sto metarryqmistiko ergo; Kai an qelete, h erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: Sas problhmatizei oti ayth h aporyqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn ginetai epi kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Egw den milhsa gia kamia aporyqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn. Ayth einai mia dikh sas frash, thn opoia egw, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, aporriptw. Kai deyteron: Milhsa genika gia metarryqmiseis, oi opoies einai polles kai ta apotelesmata twn opoiwn einai hdh poly apta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei problhma h politikh hgesia twn dyo Grammateiwn me toys dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, kanena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati tote toys ypobaqmizei kai toys apokleiei;

ANTWNAROS: Oyte toys ypobaqmizei, oyte toys apokleiei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto ginetai me diafores diatajeis poy perna se nomosxedia, toys apokleiei apo ta Grafeioy Typoy Ejwterikoy, ws epikefaleis, kai twra bazei kai alloys mesa stis dhmosiografikes dieyqynseis.

ANTWNAROS: Oi isxyrismoi sas den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Edwse se ola ayta apanthseis o k. Roysopoylos kata th syzhthsh poy arxise xqes sth Boylh, opoy syzhthqhke, epi ths arxhs, to sxetiko nomosxedio, to opoio perilambanei aytes tis diatajeis. Ayth th stigmh syzhteitai kat` arqro. Qa hqela, se ayto poy eipate, na pw me apolyth safhneia: Den yparxei kanenas apokleismos twn dhmosiografwn, oi opoioi apasxoloyntai stis dyo Genikes Grammateies. Mporoyn -opws kai palaia- na analaboyn th dieyqynsh Grafeiwn Typoy Ejwterikoy.

SIDERHS: Mila gia PE. To eidame to nomosxedio.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw me apolyth safhneia. Ep` aytoy, allwste, exei topoqethqei jekaqara kai o k. Roysopoylos. Den exw na prosqetw tipote allo.

BLAXOS: Edw milame gia nomosxedio, den einai qema toy ti eipe o k. Ypoyrgos. Edw yparxei grapto kai to grapto leei alla pragmata. Ayto poy qa metrhsei kai ayto poy qa isxysei einai to grapto.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena apolytws qema gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma poy qetete.

KORAH: Exw dyo erwthseis: H kybernhsh apo ton perasmeno Ioynio, me seira nomoqetikwn ryqmisewn, apo to asfalistiko toy OTE, apo thn eqeloysia ejodo ston OTE, sth synexeia to asfalistiko twn trapezwn, tis ergasiakes ryqmiseis, poy eixame gia thn dieyqethsh toy xronoy ergasias kai to wrario sth synexeia, den dinei thn aisqhsh oti strwnei to xali gia thn anatroph twn ergasiakwn sxesewn;

ANTWNAROS: Poy blepete na yparxei kati tetoio;

KORAH: Safws kai to blepw, gi ayto kai to lew.

ANTWNAROS: Jexnate, profanws, oti oi ryqmiseis ston OTE, sto prwto qema to opoio qesate, eginan me th symfwnh gnwmh twn ergazomenwn.

KORAH: Jexnate, omws, oti oi idioi ergazomenoi breqhkan apo toys synadelfoys toys sto stoxastro;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai qema twn synadelfwn toys. Egw den qelw se kamia periptwsh na amfisbhthsw to dikaiwma poy exoyn oi ergazomenoi se enan sygkekrimeno xwro, kai, en prokeimenw, ston OTE, na diekdikoyn me ton pio prosforo tropo ta dikaiwmata toys. Oi ergazomenoi se enan xwro asfalws kai exoyn to dikaiwma na epilegoyn thn yperaspish twn dikaiwmatwn toys kai th qespish ryqmisewn, me tropo poy epilegoyn oi idioi.

KORAH: Breqhkan sto stoxastro dioti apofasisan gia to mellon twn synadelfwn poy den exoyn proslhfqei akoma ston OTE. Ayto einai ena qema to opoio exei teqei kai apo to PASOK. Exoyn diagrafei kai melh twn ergazomenwn, twn syndikalistwn, sas qymizw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas qymizw, omws, gia mia akomh fora, oti oi ergazomenoi, se aythn alla kai se alles periptwseis, diekdikhsan ta dikaiwmata toys kai synhcan symfwnies gia tis opoies ekrinan oti ejyphretoyn akribws ta dikaiwmata toys kai to symferon toys. Kai den qa hqela, se kamia periptwsh, egw toylaxiston, na amfisbhthsw ayto to dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn na diekdikoyn ta dikaiwmata toys.

KORAH: Strwnete h den strwnete to xali gia plhrh anatroph;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Kanena ``xali den strwnetai'', apolytws, kanena. Ayto einai mia ayqaireth ermhneia.

KORAH: H deyterh erwthsh moy: Thn perasmenh Paraskeyh eipate, se sxesh me ton anasxhmatismo oti ``isxyei ayto poy eipe lian prosfatws o Prwqypoyrgos'', qymamai para poly kala thn ekfrash sas.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

KORAH: Se poia periodo anaferosastan; To ``lian prosfatws'' se poia periodo anaferotan;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe xqes o k. Roysopoylos, kai osa exw pei egw thn perasmenh ebdomada.

KORAH: Nai, egw gi esas milaw. Afhste ton k. Roysopoylo, leipei kiolas apo thn aiqoysa.

ANTWNAROS: O anasxhmatismos einai apokleistiko pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kaneis allos den mporei na ekferei gnwmh, kai poly perissotero egw apo th qesh toy kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy na ekferw gnwmh gia to qema toy anasxhmatismoy.

KORAH: Den qeloyme gnwmh. Qeloyme mia plhroforia kai mia dieykrinish stis dikes sas dhlwseis. Ti ennoeite me to ``lian prosfatws''.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai den prokeitai na ermhneysw ton eayto moy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto poy eipate molis twra, diafwnei h toylaxiston erxetai -an oxi se megalh antiqesh- se merikh antiqesh me ayto poy eipate mia ebdomada prin. Sto opoio@.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqoloy. Qelete na anatrejoyme; Sas eipa akribws to idio pragma me akribws ta idia logia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi den eipate oti einai apokleistiko pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Eixate pei oti ``sas parapempw stis teleytaies dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy eginan lian prosfatws''.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na anatrejete sthn apomagnhtofwnhsh ekeinhs ths hmeras. En pash periptwsei, gia ton anasxhmatismo o,ti eixame na poyme, to eipame. Den yparxei tipota allo.

BLAXOS: Einai profanes oti einai pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy na kanei anasxhmatismo. Ara, efoson den ton kanei, shmainei oti einai poly eyxaristhmenos kai ikanopoihmenos apo th leitoyrgia toy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sthn proxqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Roysopoyloy, me ton opoio eixate megalo dialogo.

SPYRAKH: Yparxoyn plhrofories poy lene oti oi drastes ths epiqeshs kata toy k. Polyzwgopoyloy phran to kinhto toy thlefwno kai me bash ton katalogo poy eixe mesa, apeilhsan proswpa ths politikhs kai ths dhmosiografias. Ena apo ayta ta proswpa poy anaferontai ston katalogo einai kai o yfypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Giakoymatos. Isxyei ayto to peristatiko;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoia stoixeia. Ayta einai stoixeia poy aforoyn thn astynomikh ereyna, poy brisketai se ejelijh.

KAKALHS: H prohgoymenh topoqethsh sas gia to dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn se enan xwro na mporoyn na diekdikoyn kai na synaptoyn diekdikhseis mporei na eklhfqei kai ws protroph ths kybernhshs gia epixeirhsiakes symbaseis ergasias;

ANTWNAROS: Mia diapistwsh ekana. H kybernhsh den parembainei.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla ayth taytoxrona einai syzhthsh@

ANTWNAROS: Sas ejhghsa: H kybernhsh den parembainei se qemata poy aforoyn stoys koinwnikoys etairoys.

PEPONHS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh den anameignyetai stis diapragmateyseis, diafores twn dyo etairwn. Wstoso problhmatizetai h kybernhsh gia thn ekbash aytwn twn diapragmateysewn kai gia tis epiptwseis poy qa exoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kamia topoqethsh peran apo osa eipa eisagwgika gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

MPOTSARAKOS: Dieykrinistika, otan lete oti kaneis den mporei na ekfrasei gnwmh gia ton anasxhmatismo, fantazomai oti ennoeite ta kybernhtika stelexh kai toys boyleytes;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa safestata kai to epanalambanw: Edw, se ayth thn aiqoysa, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, asfalws den exw kanena tetoio dikaiwma. Einai apokleistikh armodiothta, apokleistiko pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MPOTSARAKOS: Aplws rwtaw an oi apoceis poy ekfrazoyn oi Ypoyrgoi kai ta stelexh ths kybernhshs exoyn dhmioyrghsei kapoia dysareskeia sto Prwqypoyrgiko grafeio.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas exei pei o k. Roysopoylos kai egw epaneilhmmenws, se ayth thn aiqoysa, den metaferoyme pote ta synaisqhmata toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Aytos den einai o rolos toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. O rolos toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy einai na paroysiazei kai na ermhneyei thn kybernhtikh politikh.

BLAXOS: Katarxas olo to kybernhtiko sxhma kai olh h leitoyrgia ths kybernhsh einai ypo thn epithrhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ara o Prwqypoyrgos prepei na exei apoch an o kaqe Ypoyrgos paei kala h oxi. Poios qa mas to metaferei an o Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos apo ta krithria ta opoia qetei gia ton kaqe Ypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimaste se ayth thn aiqoysa gia na metaferoyme ta synaisqhmata toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KORAH: Qa epanelqw sto ``lian prosfatws'' poy eipate. To ``lian prosfatws'' mporei na anaferqei se dyo periodoys. Stis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Kina kai stis dhlwseis poy ekane gia ton anasxhmatismo ton Septembrio sth DEQ. Dialegete kai pairnete.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis ``dialegete kai pairnete''. Dikh sas doyleia einai h ermhneia twn dhlwsewn moy, oxi dikh moy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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