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Aqhna, 25 Ianoyarioy 2006

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligh wra sto Megaro Majimoy, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, me qema syzhthshs sxedio nomoy gia thn ajiopoihsh ths akinhths perioysias toy Dhmosioy. Ayth thn wra, o k. Alogoskoyfhs paraxwrei synenteyjh Typoy stoys dhmosiografoys poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, opoy qa dwsei perissotera stoixeia. To mono poy qelw na sas pw einai: Ypo to yfistameno nomiko kaqestws, h dynatothta ajiopoihshs ths perioysias toy dhmosioy einai periorismenh. Sygkekrimena, h kataskeyh h h anakataskeyh ths yfistamenhs akinhths perioysias kaqistatai polles fores dyskolh, logw elleichs twn porwn poy apaitoyntai gia thn pragmatopoihsh tetoioy eidoys ependysewn poy einai aparaithtes gia tis sygxrones anagkes toy dhmosioy, me apotelesma polles fores na adranopoieitai h perioysia ayth. To sxedio nomoy erxetai na kalycei akribws ayto to keno, na lysei para polla problhmata gia thn kalyterh kai pio eyelikth ajiopoihsh ths perioysias toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy.

Se o,ti afora ta qemata toy xionia, qa sas dwsw kai shmera orismena stoixeia gia tis draseis toy kaqe Ypoyrgeioy xwrista.

O Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos syntonizei tis draseis ths Politikhs Prostasias gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn apo ta kairika fainomena poy parathroyntai, opws gnwrizete, se oloklhrh th xwra. Oi kentrikoi ajones toy eqnikoy odikoy diktyoy einai batoi. Se arketa shmeia apaitoyntai alysides.

Se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio Sygkoinwniwn: Me apofash toy Ypoyrgoy k. Liaph qa leitoyrghsoyn kai gia tis epomenes 24 wres, xwris diakoph, ta mesa staqerhs troxias, dhladh to METRO, o proastiakos kai o hlektrikos sidhrodromos poy kata tis teleytaies 24 wres ejyphrethsan polloys sympolites mas stis metakinhseis toys. Ola ta aerodromia ths xwras leitoyrgoyn kanonika. Para th synexh xionoptwsh paramenei staqera anoixtos enas diadromos prosgeiwshs sto aerodromio ``Eleyqerios Benizelos''. Se opoies periptwseis akyrwqhkan pthseis, se diafora perifereiaka aerodromia, oi akyrwseis ofeilontai stoys asynhqista isxyroys anemoys. Epishs, ta trena kinoyntai omala se olo to diktyo kai malista me ayjhsh dromologiwn.

Se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio PEXWDE: Opws gnwrizete, anakoinwsa kai xqes oti me 156 mhxanhmata ginetai synexhs ekxionismos stoys kentrikoys ajones ths Eqnikhs Odoy Patrwn - Aqhnwn - Qessalonikhs - Eyzwnwn kai kata mhkos toy aytokinhtodromoy ths Eqnikhs Odoy Korinqoy - Tripolews. Den paroysiazontai shmantika problhmata. Olo to brady ekxionistika mhxanhmata kai mhxanhmata poy rixnoyn alati apeleyqerwnoyn toys kentrikoys odikoys ajones sthn Attikh. O k. Soyflias exei probei se dhlwseis, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, dinontas perissotera stoixeia gia to qema.

Se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs: O k. Sioyfas ekane dhlwseis se sxesh me ta problhmata poy parathrhqhkan se orismenes periptwseis sto systhma hlektrodothshs. To shmantikotero problhma, opws gnwrizete, paroysiasthke sthn Kefalonia kai thn Iqakh, ws ejartwmeno apo thn Kefalonia nhsi. Me syntonismenes energeies, metaferqhkan ekei me dyo oxhmatagwga texnikoi ths DEH kai arga th nyxta, sth 1:00 ta jhmerwmata, hlektroparagwga zeygh, prokeimenoy na apokatastaqei h hlektrodothsh to taxytero dynato. Ta synergeia ergazontai synexws, se idiaitera antijoes synqhkes, se pylwnes ycoys peripoy 40 metrwn. Synqhkes kairikes prwtognwres de gia to Ionio. O efodiasmos ths agoras me petrelaioeidh ginetai kanonika. Sto shmeio ayto qa hqela na pw oti ews tis 18:00 einai eleyqerh h kinhsh olwn twn forthgwn. Apo tis 18:00 ews tis 06:00 -kaqws opws ejhghsa kai xqes meta th syskech poy egine sto Megaro Majimoy ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo, ta problhmata poy dhmioyrgoyntai einai apo th stigmh poy arxizei na pagwnei to xioni kai prokaloyntai problhmata olisqhrothtas stoys dromoys- qa apagoreytei kai pali h kykloforia sta forthga aytokinhta, stis ntalikes, me ejairesh opws kai xqes, peripoy 100 bytioforwn, periektikothtas anw twn 26 tonwn, gia thn ejyphrethsh twn perioxwn olhs ths xwras me kaysima. Sthn ejairesh ayth entassontai apo shmera kai ta bytiofora poy metaferoyn gala kai epishs forthga me opwrokhpeytika proionta. Ayto ginetai gia na mporesei na leitoyrghsei omala h agora kai bebaiws, na mhn yparjoyn fainomena kerdoskopias.

Se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias: Katopin epikoinwnias toy Ypoyrgoy k. Kaklamanh diapistwqhke oti den yparxei kanena leitoyrgiko problhma sta efhmereyonta nosokomeia sthn Attikh kai sto Nomo Qessalonikhs, opws enhmerwqhka prin apo ligo. To Nosokomeio Paidwn sthn Pentelh leitoyrgei kanonika, xwris problhmata. Logw ths entonhs xionoptwshs yparxei synexhs epikoinwnia gia thn antimetwpish tyxon problhmatwn poy piqanon na prokycoyn. Doqhkan, epishs, epipleon klines sta Nosokomeia Enoplwn Dynamewn gia ta peristatika poy diakomizontai mesw EKAB. Se synennohsh me to Dhmo Aqhnaiwn kai eidika nosokomeia, astegoi polites diakomizontai gia sitish kai gia paramonh ekei aytes tis hmeres poy oi kairikes synqhkes einai para poly dyskoles.

O Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, opws gnwrizete, metebh xqes odikws apo thn Aqhna sth Qessalonikh, antimetwpizontas polla problhmata sth diarkeia ths poreias kai lynontas ta problhmata ayta. Sygkalese syskech, xqes to apogeyma, sth Qessalonikh kai exei probei hdh se dhlwseis. Synolika to proswpiko poy brisketai se kinhtopoihsh kai se etoimothta sto Nomo Attikhs einai panw apo 1000 atoma kai peripoy 360 mesa, dhladh peripolika, geranofora klp. Sthn ypoloiph Ellada - milw panta gia astynomia kai pyrosbestikh - briskontai se etoimothta peripoy 2500 atoma proswpiko kai 900 mesa, opws ayta poy proanefera.

To Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs, epishs, exei enisxysei para poly to mhxanismo. Se 17 kombika shmeia toy eqnikoy odikoy diktyoy einai aneptygmena, ejeidikeymeno proswpiko kai mesa, me dynatothta ameshs epembashs. Epishs, mesa ths dynamhs Delta, briskontai se etoimothta ameshs epembashs. Exoyn organwqei ana thn epikrateia xwroi ypodoxhs plhgentwn, dynamikothtas 5000 anqrwpwn, stoys opoioys yparxei dynatothta paraskeyhs kai paraqeshs trofhs. Ston kombo twn Tempwn anaptyxqhke kai paramenei gia prolhptikoys logoys plhrhs ygeionomikh monada toy stratoy. Ayto einai hdh apo proxqes. Sas to eixa anaferei kai xqes. Xqes diejhxqh epityxhs epixeirhsh ereynas kai diaswshs apo to Polemiko Naytiko akybernhtoy skafoys sthn perioxh twn Sporadwn, ypo ejairetika dysmeneis synqhkes. Diaswqhkan 14 naytikoi, agnooyntai dyo. Synexizetai gia 72 wres, opws problepetai kai apo toys dieqneis kanonismoys, h peripolia kai h prospaqeia aneyreshs twn agnooymenwn sthn perioxh se kairikes synqhkes poy plhsiazoyn ta 10 mpofor.

Epishs, se o,ti afora ta qemata Paideias: Qelw na ypenqymisw oti ta sxoleia anoigoyn h kleinoyn me apofash twn Nomarxwn kai twn Nomarxiwn poy gnwrizoyn, kata topoys, poly kalytera ta problhmata poy antimetwpizei mia perioxh. Einai mia apofash pollwn etwn, den einai kainoyrgia. Symbainei, de, dioti mporei se mia Nomarxia, se ena Nomo na antimetwpizontai antijoes kairikes synqhkes kai na prepei o Nomarxhs na parei apofash na mhn anoijoyn ta sxoleia ekeinh thn hmera, enw se kapoio allo shmeio ths Elladas, mporei oi synqhkes na einai poly kales. Etsi, loipon, to Ypoyrgeio Paideias einai se synexh epafh me oloys toys Nomarxes oi opoioi qa apofasisoyn, ean qa parameinoyn anoixta h an qa kleisoyn ta sxoleia. Kai to lew ayto, giati kapoy akoysa h diabasa sxolia peri toy oti to Ypoyrgeio Paideias den gnwrize an qa einai anoixta h oxi ta sxoleia. Epanalambanw oti profanws aytoi poy ekanan ayta ta sxolia agnooyn th nomoqesia mas kai ton tropo poy leitoyrgoyn ta systhmata ayta. Me apofash epishs ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias, tyxon apoysies maqhtwn ths Triths 24 Ianoyarioy den qa synypologistoyn.

Kai se o,ti afora telos to Ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias: Exoyn teqei se megisth etoimothta kai epifylakh to proswpiko twn Limenikwn arxwn ths xwras, to proswpiko ths Monadas Ypobryxiwn Apostolwn toy Limenikoy Swmatos kai ta plhrwmata nayagoswstikwn kai peripolikwn skafwn. Meta apo aithma toy Dhmoy Meqanwn, diateqhke peripoliko oxhma ths topikhs Limenikhs arxhs gia th metafora paidiwn kai hlikiwmenwn poy eixan egklwbistei sthn oreinh perioxh Xersonhsoy Meqanwn kai toys opoioys metefere asfalws ston oikismo Megaloxwri Meqanwn. Aneyreqhke epishs katallhlo ploio me tis aparaithtes proypoqeseis, dedomenoy twn dysmenwn kairikwn synqhkwn poy epikratoysan, gia thn anagkaia metafora klimakioy andrwn ths DEH sthn Kefalonia. Epanaferw to qema kai shmera -to eipa kai xqes meta th syskech- gia na tonisw oti egine me thn proswpikh apofash toy ploiarxoy poy deixnei kai aytoqysia kai symmetoxh se ena meizon problhma mias perioxhs. Giati otan exei ekdoqei apagoreytiko apoploy, me proswpikh apofash kai eyqynh toy ploiarxoy ginetai o apoploys enos skafoys. To ploio ayto metefere oxhmata ths DEH kai to synergeio ths DEH poy epishs me aytoqysia ergasthke kai ergazetai. Elpizoyme oti mesa stis epomenes wres, opws eipe kai o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Sioyfas -kai opws eixe anakoinwqei kai apo th DEH- qa arxisei na apokaqistatai h blabh sthn perioxh ths Kefalonias kai ths Iqakhs.

Parakalw tis erwthsei sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poy apodidei h kybernhsh thn eikona asynennohsias poy dhmioyrghqhke sta Temph; Qewrei h kybernhsh oti enhmerwqhke eparkws apo ton armodio astynomiko dieyqynth ths perioxhs gia ton egklwbismo twn forthgwn poy, opws metadidoyn ta reportaz, eftanan se 35 xiliometra; Yparxoyn kapoies eyloges apories. Ean qelete, apanthste se ayto kai an moy epitrepete na synexisw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean milate gia th xqesinh hmera. Se kaqe periptwsh, den yparxei asynennohsia. Ekeino to opoio exw na sas pw gia th xqesinh hmera einai oti akoysa diafora parapona giati den epetraph h kykloforia twn forthgwn meta tis 6 to apogeyma. Ayth einai mia apofash poy anakoinwsame nwris to meshmeri. Epishs, anakoinwsame toys logoys gia toys opoioys elhfqh ayth h apofash. Epanefera kai shmera to qema oti apo tis 6 to apogeyma qa isxysei jana h apagoreysh. Einai shmantiko na frontizei kapoios me syneto tropo na mh dhmioyrghqoyn megala problhmata. Kai megala problhmata mporei fainomenika na einai, ayth th stigmh, h talaipwria orismenwn odhgwn forthgwn, antilambaneste omws oti akomh megalytera problhmata qa htan o egklwbismos xiliadwn I.X. se polla shmeia ths eqnikhs odoy, ean den lambanontan ayta ta metra, gia na mhn pw kai xeirotera, ta opoia mporei kaneis na eikasei kai ta opoia exoyn symbei se polles alles xwres, Ara, loipon, h problech kai h prolhch einai aytes poy odhghsan sto na stamathsei h kykloforia twn forthgwn apo tis 6 xqes to apogeyma. To eqniko diktyo den ekleise oyte mia stigmh. Ta forthga ayta parkaran dejia kai aristera toy eqnikoy diktyoy.

SPYRAKH: H eikona poy doqhke xqes apo ta thleoptika diktya htan oti meta thn apagoreysh kai enw den prostiqontan kai alla forthga aytokinhta sto eqniko diktyo, yphrxe mia terastia oyra sta Temph poy kaqistoyse thn kykloforia problhmatikh -kai o xarakthrismos einai epieikhs- kai o armodios astynomikos dieyqynths dhlwne oti den yphrxe kanena apolytws problhma. Qelw na sas pw oti ean den yphrxe h parembash ths thleorashs ta forthga ayta qa htan akomh ekei. Den sas anhsyxei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw anafora se poio kanali eblepa xqes egw o idios me ta matia moy kai akoysa me ta aytia moy oti exoyn kleisei ta Temph kai den perna tipota epi 48 wres, opws eipe o reporter. Prwton, oi dysmeneis kairikes synqhkes yphrxan molis epi 24 wres. Deyteron, eixe perasei xqes pleiada aytokinhtwn, metajy aytwn kai to aytokinhto toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs. To ti, loipon, legetai h akoygetai aytes tis 24 wres -kai oxi 48 wres- den shmainei oti einai kai h pragmatikothta.

SPYRAKH: Metefera ena peristatiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh moy metaferate ena peristatiko kai moy anaferate plhrofories thleoptikwn staqmwn, sas eipa kai egw, epi th basei twn plhroforiwn poy metaferate, mia allh plhroforia. Kai den einai o rolos moy na erwthsw edw, alla nomizw oti katanoeite poly kala ti lew.

BLAXOS: Qelw na sas kanw mia erwthsh, thn opoia den qa ekana pote, alla thn kanw gia na dw thn antidrash sas: Ean sas rwtoysa, ean h Nea Dhmokratia exei paqei malakynsh, ti qa legate, ti qa kanete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eyxaristw para poly. To briefing teleiwse.

BLAXOS: To exei rwthsei sto ellhniko Koinoboylio prin pente lepta boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Roysopoyle!

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti einai aparadektos o tropos twn erwthsewn. Sas lew oti einai aparadekto to na tiqentai erwthseis ypo thn ennoia kai th fraseologia poy qesate. Lypoymai gia logariasmo sas. Egw den synexizw thn enhmerwsh. Opoios kai an to exei pei k. Blaxo egw to aporriptw. @H qa parete pisw th lejh gia na synexistei h enhmerwsh h an den thn parete egw qa apoxwrhsw apo thn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: Ayto poy eipate me ikanopoiei. Egw thn pairnw pisw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw poly.

BLAXOS: To gegonos, omws, oti enas boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias to eipe apeyqynomenos se ena komma, opws einai to PASOK, pws to sxoliazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw kanei hdh to diko moy sxolio. H fraseologia thn opoia ofeilei na xrhsimopoiei kaneis sto dhmosio logo toy -kai ston idiwtiko qa elega, alla poly perissotero sto dhmosio logo toy- prepei na einai prosektikh. Na sebetai ton apenanti toy opoios ki an einai aytos.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eipate prin oti polla elexqhsan aytes tis 24 wres, o idios o k. Foyrlas omws eipe xqes oti enw eixe plhroforhqei pws ta Temph htan anoikta, otan metebh epitopoy diapistwse oti ta Temph htan kleista. Ara, otan to lene ayto kai armodioi shmainei oti pragmati yparxei mia asynennohsia. Den einai etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na exei ginei tetoia dhlwsh. Ekeino to opoio exw pei apo thn prwth hmera -kai to eipa kai xqes- einai: Se o,ti afora ta Temph, yphrje ena problhma. Apodexqhkame to problhma, to paradexqhkame oloi. Ejhghsame giati yphrje to problhma. Den htan, dhladh, kakos h mh egkairos programmatismos. Otan se mia perioxh pollwn xiliometrwn, opoy o dromos opws gnwrizete einai para poly stenos -den einai kainoyrgios dromos opws se ena poly megalo pososto toy ypoloipoy odikoy diktyoy twn eqnikwn odwn- exoyme mia karampola tessarwn aytokinhtwn, ena forthgo aytokinhto megaloy megeqoys me mhxanikh blabh akinhtopoihmeno kai mia ntalika h opoia ``diplwse'' sth mesh aytoy toy dromoy, antilambaneste oti ayth h katastash einai poy dhmioyrghse olo to problhma. Oso kai na exei problecei kaneis, as to doyme ligo sth fysikh toy diastash. Den milame gia mia apostash 100 metrwn opoy speydei ena geranoforo kai traba sthn akrh toy dromoy ta tessera aytokinhta poy trakaran se karampola, to forthgo poy xalase kai to deytero poy ``diplwse''. Ean miloysame gia mia apostash 100, 200, 1000 metrwn, ta pragmata qa htan poly pio grhgora kai poly pio eykola. Milame gia mia apostash pollwn xiliometrwn. Otan, loipon, gennatai -se ayto to shmeio toy stenoy dromoy- aytoy toy eidoys to problhma, antilambaneste oti xreiazetai xronos gia na lyqei. Den yparxei allos fysikos tropos na parei kaneis ta mhxanhmata poy epaqan blabh h ta aytokinhta poy trakaran sth mesh h sthn arxh twn Tempwn, para monon h diarkhs prospaqeia kai h lysh toy problhmatos se kapoies wres. Kai eixame th lysh toy problhmatos se liges wres.

POYLIDOY: Sygnwmh, h Politeia den exei synexeia; Emeis oi dhmosiografoi exoyme mia synexeia kai qymomaste poly kala oti antistoixoys dialogoys eixame kanei me ton k. Prwtopapa, o opoios pali eixe apodwsei se tyxaioys paragontes, oi opoioi htan yparktoi, ta problhmata poy dhmioyrghqhkan. Opws kai sthn prokeimenh periptwsh einai yparktoi. Ayto, opws elege o k. Paylopoylos thn Kyriakh oti ``qeloyme na ginoyme Promhqeis gia na mhn ginoyme Epimhqeis'', den eixe lhfqei ypoch o tyxaios paragontas gia na antimetwpistei egkaira, para o perifereiarxhs Qessalias ekponoyse to sxedio ``eleyqera Temph'' to opoio katepese mesa se pente wres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai yparxei synexeia toy kratoys kai malista thn exw epikalestei polles fores. Wstoso, epitrecte moy ayth th stigmh na mhn apodyqw se sygkriseis me to parelqon. Oloi exoyme kalh mnhmh. Den einai toso palia ta gegonota. Kai den to kanw giati se kamia periptwsh den qelw na fanei oti, thn wra ayth, ths drashs, opoy prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata ths kakokairias se olh thn Ellada yparxei mia politikh antiparaqesh ``ti ginotan prin apo dyo xronia h prin apo pente xronia''. Se o,ti me afora, ayth th stigmh den qa kanw tetoioy eidoys analysh se baqos xronoy. Qa sas pw oti to eqniko odiko diktyo, an ejairesei kaneis tis liges wres twn problhmatwn poy dhmioyrghqhkan sta Temph, kata ta loipa paremeine apolytws anoikto kai eleyqero. Jodeythkan kapoies xiliades tonoi alatioy gia na mporesei na parameinei eleyqero to eqniko odiko diktyo kai na mhn kleisei. Kai analogisteite eseis poy exete kalh mnhmh ean synebainan ta idia pragmata sto parelqon. Epishs, apo ton perasmeno Oktwbrio, eixan lhfqei oles ekeines oi pronoies gia na exoyme ton ariqmo twn mhxanhmatwn poy qa afhnan eleyqero to eqniko odiko diktyo.

To deytero problhma htan ayto ths Kefalonias. Se ti qa apodwsei kaneis to oti epesan pente pylwnes sto borra kai dyo sto noto kai apokophke plhrws to nhsi apo to reyma kai se liges wres, para tis antijoes kairikes synqhkes, briskontai ekei synergeia ths DEH kai prospaqoyn na to lysoyn; Den eipe kaneis oti den yparxoyn problhmata h oti den qa yparxoyn. Kai qa yparjoyn problhmata kai sto mellon, fantazomai. Oxi mono sth xwra mas, alla kai se xwres poy antimetwpizoyn antistoixa fainomena poly pio syxna apo o,ti h Ellada sth diarkeia enos xeimwna, enos etoys. Exei shmasia, omws, ean to systhma beltiwnetai, ean antimetwpizontai ta problhmata pio grhgora apo o,ti sto parelqon, ean ta problhmata einai ligotera apo o,ti sto parelqon. Nomizw oti aytoy toy eidoys tis sygkriseis to reportaz mporei na tis kanei. Egw den qa tis kanw, politika, shmera.

GKOYTZANHS: Problhmata me thn hlektrodothsh den yphrjan mono sthn Kefalonia. Yphrjan kai se alles perioxes ths xwras. To erwthma einai, ean, opws kataggelloyn kai oi topikoi paragontes ths Kefalonias toylaxiston kai kapoioi syndikalistes, yparxei problhma me thn kakh synthrhsh toy diktyoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw gia thn kakh h oxi synthrhsh toy diktyoy. Gnwrizw oti ginetai mia yperanqrwph prospaqeia. Ayth h prospaqeia den einai twrinh. Opws qymaste xreiasthke na ginoyn para polla erga, gia thn proetoimasia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, poy na aforoyn sto diktyo ths DEH. Den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw ean to kaqena apo ta 210.000 xiliometra ths DEH einai kala -h oxi- synthrhmeno. Pisteyw oti einai ena terastio, titanio ergo, to opoio ginetai apo th DEH. Qa sas parakalesw gia tyxon pio ejeidikeymeno erwthma gia ayto to eidiko kommati h na apeyqynqeite sth DEH h na rwthsw kai na sas enhmerwsw gia to pote eixe synthrhqei to sygkekrimeno, mias kai apekthse idiaitero endiaferon gia oloys mas.

SIDERHS: O Prwqypoyrgos giati den phge sta epimaxa shmeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai xqes kai exw apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Apla, qymhqhkame me th bohqeia kapoiwn efhmeridwn, oti eixe xarakthrisei ton prohgoymeno Prwqypoyrgo h ypoyrgo tote poy htan antipoliteysh, ws qeath. Den fobhqhke mhpws toy katalogisoyn kai oi antipaloi oti einai qeaths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ek toy apotelesmatos krinomaste oloi. Sas periegraca mia seira prajewn, drasewn kai apotelesmatwn se ena genikeymeno se olh th xwra xionia.

KAKALHS: Qa qymaste asfalws palaioterh dhlwsh sas, oti ayto to kratos leitoyrgei ypo kaqestws kalokairias kai hliofaneias. H aporia moy einai h ejhs: Ayto to kratos kata bash paramenei to idio. Pws katafere h N.D ontws antikratistes, na to qesei se leitoyrgia kai deyteron, mhpws telika ola ayta ginontai gia na kalycoyn thn gymnia toy kratikoy mhxanismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qymamai poly kala th dhlwsh moy. Den symfwnw mazi sas, giati ayto to kratos, ean exete mnhmh poy na fqanei toylaxiston prin apo dyo xronia, den katafere na afhsei anoikth thn eqnikh odo, oyte mia wra. Na kleisei h eqnikh odos apo tis 18.00 ews 01.00. Kai na dhmioyrghqei mia seira allwn problhmatwn me anqrwpoys poy egklwbisthkan pragmatika kai oxi opws twra poy den egklwbisthkan. Giati kai mono h eikona poy blepoyme stis thleoraseis apodeiknyei ayto poy lew. O stratos htan ekei, poy shmainei oti yphrxe diodos gia na fqasei se ola ta forthga kai ta I.X. Osoi idiokthtes I.X. hqelan, mporoysan na ta afhsoyn sthn akrh toy dromoy kai na metaboyn apo thn prwth kiolas bradia sth Larisa kai na meinoyn se jenodoxeia. To ekanan peripoy 50-60 atoma. Dyo lewforeia apo thn kratikh mhxanh odhghsan aytoys toy anqrwpoys sth Larisa gia na jekoyrastoyn. Ara, loipon, se kaqe periptwsh ayto to kratos exei beltiwsei th leitoyrgia toy para poly se sxesh me to parelqon. Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, problhmata yparxoyn kai qa yparxoyn. Opws yparxoyn kai se xwres poy antimetwpizoyn tetoies synqhkes, poly syxnotera, mesa sto xrono, ap oti h dikh mas xwra. Den exei kamia sxesh ayto poy anaferete gia to parelqon me to shmera. Kanete th sygkrish sygkekrimenwn gegonotwn kai qematwn. Deite, gia paradeigma, opws sas eipa kai xqes, poia problhmata dhmioyrghqhkan ayth th fora me toys nefropaqeis h me eypaqeis omades. Peite moy ean dhmioyrghqhkan problhmata. Elpizw oti ayth h doyleia se megalo pososto qa synexistei ews to telos toy problhmatos poy antimetwpizei h xwra me th xionoqyella kai h diafora pragmati qa einai katalytikh.

BLAXOS: Yparxei mia synexeia sthn kontra sas me ton k. Kokkinoylh, o opoios, opws plhroforhqhka, xqes epanhlqe legontas, oti o idios einai 50 xronia sthn N.D. kai na rwthsoyme esas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kamia apanthsh.

POYLIDOY: Exete na kanete kapoio eidikotero sxolio shmera epi ths toyrkikhs protashs gia thn Kypro meta kai apo to kalwsorisma poy eixe apo to State Department kai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete exei ekdoqei anakoinwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. O Grammateas toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Rokanas, dexqhke shmera ton presbh ths Toyrkias sthn Aqhna, o opoios toy paredwse tis toyrkikes skeceis poy sxetizontai me to Kypriako. Qa meinw sth dhlwsh poy exei ekdoqei apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Qa epanalabw, dhladh, oti oi toyrkikes skeceis, oi opoies qa melethqoyn, fainetai ek prwths ocews, oti den diaferoyn oysiastika apo palaioteres paromoies toyrkikes protaseis.

POYLIDOY: Diaferoyn sthn yposthrijh. Ayth th fora exoyn thn yposthrijh toy OHE, toy State Department kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den sthrizoyn tis qeseis aytes kaq` eaytes. Epitrecete moy na pw oti sthrizoyn thn kinhsh, ws mia kinhsh, poy mporei na apoferei kapoia qetika. H kinhsh gyrw apo ena qema, kai oxi h oysia twn qesewn, einai aytes tis opoies sthrizei kai o Epitropos k. Ren kai oi HPA.

POYLIDOY: Lypamai poy kanw se esas thn erwthsh, alla mhpws jerete h sas ejhghsan apo to YPEJ, gia toys logoys poy prytaneysan kai ypagoreysan thn apofash ths Elladas na mhn symmetasxei sto Ntabos, opoy epanalambanw qa synanthqei o Erntogan me ton Kofi Anan. Qa einai h k. Merkel, o Mpler kai alloi 2.500 antiproswpoi apo oles tis xwres toy kosmoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai profanes oti den qa ikanopoihse h xqesinh apanthsh moy, alla qa meinw se ayth.

BLAXOS: Me dedomeno oti exei apokalyfqei oti apo ta arxeia poy didontai se takta xronika diasthmata sth dhmosiothta oti oi Bretanoi gnwrizan ta sxedia twn Toyrkwn gia eisbolh sthn Kypro. Shmera, loipon, me to prisma ayto, qewrei h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti o k. Stro einai ajiopistos mesolabhths kai mporei na paijei ena tetoio paixnidi metajy Toyrkias-Kyproy-Elladas; Giati ap o,ti jeroyme qa episkefqei thn Aqhna kai qa synanthqei me ton k. Karamanlh. Einai ajiopistos synomilhths toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Stro einai ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Bretanias, Opws gnwrizete erxetai sthn Aqhna, sto plaisio episkechs ergasias. H episkech ayth den synista kapoio tmhma eidikhs apostolhs h prwtoboylias gia to Kypriako. H xwra mas exei aristes diplwmatikes sxeseis me to Hnwmeno Basileio.

BLAXOS: Ma, o k. Stro den erxetai tyxaia sthn Aqhna. Erxetai, afoy exei dei toys Kyprioys, toys Toyrkokyprioys, toys Toyrkoys kai twra blepei toys Ellhnes. Ara, den einai apokommeno to tajidi toy apo ayto to pragma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Stro ekproswpei -opws sas eipa- th Megalh Bretania, xwra poy einai mia apo tis eggyhtries dynameis.

BLAXOS: Ara, ton blepete ws YPEJ ths Megalhs Bretanias kai oxi ws mesolabhth; Ayto mas lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti den yparxei kapoioy eidoys mesolabhsh h alloy eidoys prwtoboylia.

KAKALHS: H toyrkikh protash exei stoxo thn de facto anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys kai par ola ayta h epi ths oysias ellhnikh kybernhsh sthn topoqethsh ths den thn apodokimazei, ean katalaba kala. Epishs, ton idio stoxo, thn anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys exei kai h episkech toy Stro kai h synanthsh toy me ton Talat. Epishs, h kybernhsh den apodokimase ayth thn kinhsh toy Stro kai malista ton epibrabeyei me th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Telika gia na katalabw, epi ths oysias, poia einai h stash ths kybernhshs poy pairnontai gia to Kypriako;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pairnete ws dedomeno to peri ``prwtoboyliwn''. Exw hdh apanthsei sto peri ``prwtoboyliwn'' prin apo ena lepto. Apanthsa xqes sto prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero.

KYRITSHS: Sxetika me to zhthma ths Coca Cola, mias epixeirhshs me kerdoforia, oyranomhkh, qa th xarakthriza egw, proxwra se omadikes apolyseis kai to ergodotiko dikaiwma ths na proxwrhsei se omadikes apolyseis to apodexetai h kybernhsh, paroti einai ejairetika kerdofora. Poia prostasia mporei na prosferei h kybernhsh stoys ergazomenoys, otan etaireies me tosa megala kerdh proxwroyn se omadikes apolyseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa apanthsw poly syntoma. Gnwrizete oti apo thn prwth kiolas hmera poy dhmioyrghqhke to qema, oi armodioi ypoyrgoi exoyn kanei sxetikh dhlwsh. Ean den sas kalyptei, parakalw oi synadelfoi sas poy kalyptoyn to reportaz twn armodiwn ypoyrgeiwn na ypobaloyn erwthsh, opws ayth poy qelete na ypobalete eseis.

KYRITSHS: O Elbetos Geroysiasths k. Marti kanei mia ereyna gia logariasmo toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs, poy afora se paranomes agwges kai metafora kratoymenwn apo amerikanikes mystikes yphresies apo kai mesw ths Eyrwphs. O k. Marti kanontas xqes thn endiamesh -opws eipe- paroysiash ekqesews toy, eipe oti qewrei apiqano eyrwpaikes kybernhseis h estw oi mystikes toys yphresies na mhn gnwrizan ti symbainei. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh htan enhmerh gi ayto to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw erwthqei kai exw apanthsei. Se kaqe periptwsh, na sas pw oti efoson ginetai kapoia ereyna -kai malista gia kapoio eyrwpaiko h dieqnes organo- h xwra mas qa prosferei tis plhrofories poy qa ths zhthqoyn.

KYRITSHS: Sxetika me th symfwnia, h opoia ypegrafh sthn Oyasigkton, mallon eteqh se isxy gia thn dikastikh syndromh, hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh skeftetai na epanejetasei to qema ayto sto metro poy epishmws pleon stis HPA ginontai basanisthria kai ean einai diateqeimenh na ekdwsei se mia xwra poy ginontai basanisthria kratoymenoys gia opoiondhpote logo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto erwthma, ean yparxei epanejetash, h apanthsh einai arnhtikh. Sto allo sxolio sas den qa labw qesh.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me to Kypriako, eipate oti ``den sthrizoyn tis qeseis, sthrizoyn thn kinhsh'' poy mporei na ferei kapoia qetika. Den nomizw oti mporei na yparjei sthrijh kinhshs xwris na labei ypoch kapoios tis qeseis. Dhladh, ean kapoia qesh einai aparadekth ek twn proterwn, o allos leei oti einai aparadekth kai den thn sthrizei. Ara, loipon, mporei na pei kapoios oti otan topoqetoyntai qetika, blepoyn ston pyrhna ths protashs isws kapoia qetika. Qa hqela na jerw th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs apenanti se ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na to kanw pio jekaqaro: Den exw thn ektimhsh oti oi antidraseis einai qetikes, ws pros to periexomeno. Oi qetikes anafores, kata thn ektimhsh moy, sxetizontai me thn kinhtikothta poy dhmioyrgeitai gyrw apo to qema.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me ta Temph. Akoysa ton k. Foyrla xqes na deixnei mallon sthn thleoptikh eikona kai na leei ``oriste ntalikes me alysides kai ntalikes xwris alysides''. Pws ginetai ayto; Otan rwthqhke gia to an yparxei eyqynh ths Troxaias, eipe oti ``yparxei ena erwthma, pws fqasame mexri edw, qa to doyme''. Den qelw na megalopoiw ta problhmata, giati pragmati otan yparxei mia megalh kakokairia se kapoio shmeio qa yparxei isws kai problhma. Alla, otan to perimeneis se ena sygkekrimeno shmeio poy panta yparxei problhma kai yparxei kai eyqynh se kapoioys h sthn Troxaia h stoys ntalikerhdes -giati nomizw oti h eyqynh kaqe fora einai atomikh den diaxeetai oyte einai synolikh- exei anazhthqei ekei ti exei gine, wste akoma kai ayto to problhma poy yphrje oxi na antimetwpistei aplws, alla na apodoqoyn eyqynes gi ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai poly ejeidikeymeno to erwthma. Ayto poy qa sas pw mono einai oti, ektos apo thn eyqynh twn opoiwn organwn ths tajews, yparxei kai h atomikh eyqynh toy kaqenos, ws polith ayths ths xwras. Otan, dhladh, plhroforeitai kapoios oti qa yparjoyn poly kakes kairikes synqhkes kai ekpempetai apo oloys toys armodioys foreis kai apo ta MME kai para tayta me asyneidhsia -mhn pw kamia baria koybenta einai h pio elafria poy skeftomai- kineitai kapoios, oi eyqynes einai men se ena poly megalo pososto sthn politeia otan dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata, yparxei, omws, kai h atomikh eyqynh enos ekastoy polith. As skeftomaste o kaqenas mas ligo diaforetika, se sxesh me to koinwniko synolo.

SIDERHS: Ayto to nomosxedio poy apofasise h Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa parasxei eyelijia kai sthn pwlhsh dhmosias perioysias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsa gia ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias. Yparxei mia seira pollwn paradeigmatwn, den qelw na sas koyrasw me ayta.

SIDERHS: H ajiopoihsh na ginei dia ths pwlhsews.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qelw na sas koyrasw me paradeigmata. O k. Alogoskoyfhs paraxwrei synenteyjh Typoy stoys dhmosiografoys poy kalyptoyn to antistoixo reportaz. Den qa meinw perissotero se ayto.

SIDERHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs kathgoroyse toys prohgoymenoys oti poylhsan ta ashmika. Ara, ti qa poylhsete twra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn para polla problhmata, ta opoia dhmioyrgoyntai apo th shmerinh nomoqesia. Gia paradeigma, to qema ths enoikiashs enos kthrioy apo dhmosia yphresia. O xronos enoikiashs den prepei na einai xamhloteros twn 12 etwn, oyte ychloteros twn 12 etwn. Sto metajy mporei oi synqhkes na exoyn allajei gia th dhmosia yphresia kai na mhn einai aparaithto to dhmosio na plhrwnei ena tetoio enoikio gia 12 xronia. Exoyme polla zhthmata poy h prajh apedeije oti den leitoyrgoyn yper toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Kai ayta ta zhthmata antimetwpizontai sto nomosxedio.

IWANNOY: Den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw ean eipwqhke sto Majimoy, aplws qa hqela na moy peite ean elegjate kai ean pragmati yioqeteite thn apoch oti tis teleytaies 48 wres yphrjan fainomena aisxrokerdeias sthn agora, logw ths kakokairias kai ean qa yparjoyn kapoia kybernhtika metra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O armodios ypoyrgos k. Sioyfas exei kanei sxetikes dhlwseis. Einai se diarkh epafh me ola ta organa. Exei dwsei entoles, exei ekdwsei seira egkykliwn. Ginontai elegxoi prokeimenoy na apofygoyme fainomena kerdoskopias, eite se proionta, eite se kaysima.

IWANNOY: Diapistwqhkan fainomena aisxrokerdeias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exoyme kati apo tis arxes poy kanoyn toys elegxoys. Einai xiliades oi elegxoi poy ginontai kaqhmerina. Ean exei kati to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs qa to anakoinwsei.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epanelqw se ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws gia atomikh eyqynh. To gegonos oti o k. Nakos, yfypoyrgos ths kybernhshs eperrice eyqynes sthn Troxaia gia to alaloym stoys dromoys, oysiastika pisteyete oti fwtografizei thn atomikh eyqynh toy k. Boylgarakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai kai qa parameinw poly prosektikos sth metafora -me olo to sebasmo sto proswpo enos ekastoy ej ymwn- dhlwsewn toy opoioydhpote, eite einai kybernhtiko stelexos h allos.

SPYRAKH: Hqela na sas rwthsw an qewrei eilhmmenh apofash h kybernhsh to Proedriko Diatagma, mesw toy opoioy ayjanetai h prokatabolh toy foroy twn epixeirhsewn. Diabazw shmera dhlwseis ekproswpwn forewn twn mikromesaiwn poy lene oti sthn pragmatikothta ayto qa metakylhqei ston katanalwth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an qelete na sas dwsw analytikh apanthsh, dioti eimai bebaios oti kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs qa milhsei gi` ayto to qema shmera. Na sas pw katarxas giati krinetai anagkaia h ayjhsh ayth. H ayjhsh krinetai anagkaia dioti stis periptwseis twn anwnymwn etaireiwn h etaireiwn periorismenhs eyqynhs to prohgoymeno pososto prokatabolhs foroy poy anerxotan se pososto 55% isxye apo thn 1/1/1998. Dhladh, exoyn parelqei hdh peripoy 8 xronia. Stis periptwseis twn trapezwn to prohgoymeno pososto prokatabolhs foroy poy anerxotan se pososto 60% isxye apo thn 1/1/1997. Idiaitera ayjhmeno pososto prokatabolhs foroy -kai se polles periptwseis ychlotero se sygkrish me th xwra mas- kataballetai kai apo ta nomika proswpa poy diathroyn thn edra toys se alla krath- melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, gia paradeigma sth Germania einai to 100%, sth Dania to 100%, sthn Italia to 93,5%, sthn Portogalia to 85%, sthn Aystria to 80%, sthn Ispania to 75% kok. Me ayth thn energeia, thn apofash toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn ejomalynetai h diafora poy yparxei shmera metajy twn nomikwn proswpwn kai twn misqwtwn. Sthn periptwsh twn misqwtwn, kata th diarkeia ths apokthshs twn eisodhmatwn toys, opws gnwrizete, energeitai parakrathsh foroy apo ton ergodoth sto synoliko poso twn eisodhmatwn, twn misqwn dhladh, h opoia oysiastika apotelei prokatabolh. Me th ryqmish, oi anwnymes etaireies, qa prokatabaloyn to 65% toy synolikoy posoy twn eisodhmatwn kai oi trapezes to 80%. Epispeydetai epishs h eisprajh esodwn toy proypologismoy kata peripoy 450 ekatommyria eyrw gia to trexon etos, xwris thn epibolh newn forologikwn metrwn poy qa eplhttan xamhlotera eisodhmatika strwmata kai qa leitoyrgoysan eis baros ths koinwnikhs synoxhs. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos toy erwthmatos den blepw me poio tropo qa mporoysan na metakylhsoyn aytoy toy eidoys thn prokatabolh. An ypainisseste ayjhsh parexomenwn yphresiwn h proiontwn yparxoyn oi armodioi elegktikoi mhxanismoi, oi opoioi einai se qesh na diapistwsoyn kata poso ayth h ayjhsh ginetai epeidh ayjhqhke h prokatabolh. Einai ena metro poy se kaqe periptwsh qewreitai dikaio apenanti stoys misqwtoys poy plhrwnoyn hdh ena megalo kommati toy misqoy toys, twn ypoxrewsewn toys se prokatabolh foroy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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