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Aqhna, 24 Ianoyarioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Qa jekinhsw me mia poly analytikh enhmerwsh, se sxesh me osa exoyn symbei apo xqes, gia ta kairika fainomena kai thn kinhtopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy.

Opws gnwrizete, to megalytero meros ths xwras plhttetai apo entona kairika fainomena, apo xqes to apogeyma . O kratikos mhxanismos kinhqhke kai kineitai apotelesmatika sth bash enos sxedioy poy eixe ekponhqei meta tis sxetikes probleceis ths EMY. Paroysiasthkan problhmata sthn perioxh twn Tempwn. Ta problhmata, opws exei hdh ejhghqei apo toys armodioys, jekinhsan apo mia karampola tessarwn I.X. aytokinhtwn sthn eisodo twn Tempwn. Sth synexeia, apo dyo ntalikes -oi opoies eferan alysides- h mia diplwse peripoy sth mesh ths diadromhs twn Tempwn, me apotelesma na empodisei thn omalh kykloforia th stigmh poy h aixmh ths kakokairias eixe jekinhsei, enw h deyterh ntalika akinhtopoihqhke apo mhxanikh blabh. Prin apo ligh wra, paroysia toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, o armodios antistrathgos ekane anakoinwseis. Opws me enhmerwse prin ligo o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, o opoios brisketai sthn perioxh, apokatastaqhke h kykloforia kai diejagetai kanonika h kykloforia twn oxhmatwn sthn perioxh twn Tempwn. Oloi oi armodioi ypoyrgoi exoyn synomilhsei polles fores apo xqes kai exoyn enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo. Oi entoles poy exoyn labei einai safeis: Na briskontai parontes sth maxh gia thn antimetwpish ths katastashs, eite syntonizontas apo to grafeio toys, eite ean parastei anagkh na metaboyn stoys topoys opoy dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata. Sygkekrimena:

O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokophs Paylopoylos brisketai se diarkh epikoinwnia me oloys toys perifereiarxes kai toys nomarxes twn nomwn opoy paroysiazontai problhmata. Exei synexh synergasia me toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys kai syntonizei to ergo ths politikhs prostasias se olh thn epikrateia.

O Genikos Grammateas Politikhs Prostasias k. Foyrlas breqhke xqes sthn perioxh twn Tempwn. Exei epistrecei kai brisketai sto grafeio toy, syntonizontas apo thn kentrikh Yphresia kai enhmerwnontas toys synadelfoys sas poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn kai ths Politikhs Prostasias.

O ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, opws sas eipa, brisketai apo nwris to prwi se olo to mhkos ths eqnikhs odoy. Ayth thn wra einai sthn perioxh twn Tempwn, opoy antimetwpisthke to megalytero problhma.

O ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfas episkefqhke to prwi ta kentrika grafeia ths DEH opoy kai enhmerwqhke gia ta problhmata hlektrodothshs ths xwras.

Edw qa staqw sto problhma poy antimetwpisame sthn Kefalonia. Sthn Kefalonia eixame thn atyxia na dhmioyrghqoyn problhmata se pente pylwnes. Espasan pente pylwnes, kaqws to xioni eftase se poly megalo ycos. To problhma dhmioyrghqhke sthn Kefalonia, dioti apokophke h paroxh apo borra, alla kai apo noto, kati to opoio den exei janasymbei. Eixe programmatistei gia to prwi kai sth synexeia gia to meshmeri o apoploys oxhmatagwgwn ploiwn, wste na metaferqoyn ta synergeia ths DEH sthn Kefalonia. Dystyxws, oi kairikes synqhkes den to epetrecan. Ta limenarxeia exoyn apagoreysei ton apoploy opoioydhpote ploioy. Ara, ayth th stigmh, den yparxei prosbash pros Kefalonia. Einai se synennohsh o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas, apo to prwi, mhpws mporesei na paei ena C 130. Ekei exoyme ena allo problhma, logw toy kairoy, me thn oratothta. Den gnwrizoyme pote qa anaxwrhsei, eite C 130, eite oxhmatagwgo toy Polemikoy Naytikoy -analoga me tis kairikes synqhkes- gia na metabei sthn Kefalonia kai na apokatasthsei th megalh ayth blabh poy antimetwpizei to nhsi toy Ionioy.

O ypoyrgos Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs k. Kaklamanhs epikoinwnhse, shmera to prwi, apo to epixeirhsiako Kentro toy Syntonistikoy Organoy toy tomea Ygeias me ola ta nosokomeia Attikhs kai Qessalonikhs. Diafora problhmata poy proekycan, opws gia paradeigma h diakoph reymatos sto Sismanogleio, apokatastaqhkan amesws me th leitoyrgia gennhtriwn. Problhmata anefodiasmoy toy nosokomeioy Kilkis me ygro ojygono, logw apagoreyshs kykloforias barewn oxhmatwn, apokaqistatai se synennohsh me thn Troxaia. Epishs, doqhkan entoles sta asqenofora toy EKAB na metaferoyn me apolyth proteraiothta nefropaqeis poy exoyn anagkh aimokaqarshs. Telos, se synergasia me ta tria stratiwtika nosokomeia ths Attikhs, qa parasxeqoyn klines sto ESY, efoson parastei anagkh.

O ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn k. Liaphs enhmerwnetai synexws gia thn katastash se ola ta aerodromia. Den exei kleisei kanena aerodromio. Leitoyrgoyn ola kanonika. To idio symbainei kai me ta Mesa Mazikhs Metaforas. Ena mikro problhma poy eixame nwritera me parekklish -oyte kan ektroxiasmo- mias mhxanikhs ekxionismoy toy sidhrodromikoy diktyoy, apokatastaqhke mesa se mia wra. Ara, oyte sto sidhrodromiko diktyo antimetwpizetai problhma ayth thn wra.

O ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias k. Kefalogiannhs enhmerwnetai synexws apo to Kentro Epixeirhsewn toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias gia ta problhmata poy antimetwpizei skafos me jenh shmaia, sthn perioxh ths Lhmnoy. Exoyn hdh ekdoqei sxetikes anakoinwseis.

Apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas na sas enhmerwsw oti dynameis toy stratoy jhras breqhkan se oles tis perioxes kai kyriws sta Temph opoy antimetwpisthkan problhmata, diaqetontas koybertes kai trofima. Osoi apo toys odhgoys megalwn forthgwn emeinan mesa sta aytokinhta toys kai den qelhsan na egkataleicoyn, eixan ayth th bohqeia apo to strato. Yphrxan odhgoi I.X. aytokinhtwn poy eixan egklwbistei, oi opoioi metaferqhkan me dyo poylman sth Larisa kai emeinan se jenodoxeio. Epishs, to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas exei diaqesei eidika erpystriofora kai alla barea oxhmata gia thn antimetwpish problhmatwn se polles alles perioxes ths xwras. Giati, opws sas eipa, h kakokairia plhttei sxedon to synolo ths xwras kai oxi mono merika shmeia ths. Epishs, ston kombo twn Tempwn exei parasxeqei plhrhs nosokomeiakh monada apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas

Stis 13.30, o Prwqypoyrgos sygkalei syskech twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn sto Megaro Majimoy. Symmetexoyn oi ypoyrgoi Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, Eqnikhs Amynas, Anaptyjhs, PEXWDE, Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs, Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn, Dhmosias Tajhs, Naytilias kai Epikrateias.

Meta th syskech qa ginoyn pali anakoinwseis. Mporw na sas dwsw kapoia stoixeia, efoson bebaiws sas endiaferoyn. Exoyn doqei hdh stoys astynomikoys syntaktes kai aforoyn ta problhmata poy exoyn paroysiastei eidikotera sthn perioxh ths Attikhs apo th xionoptwsh, dhladh kapoies diadromes poy exoyn kleisei kai diadromes poy einai ypoxrewtiko na ginontai me alysides entos toy lekanopedioy Attikhs. Na prosqesw mono oti yparxei apagoreysh kykloforias forthgwn aytokinhtwn anw twn 3,5 tonwn se perioxes twn eqnikwn odwn. Kai to lew giati exei dhmioyrghqei mia parejhghsh gia to an epitrepetai kai poy epitrepetai, an h apagoreysh isxyei gia ola ta diktya. Sas lew, loipon, poy apagoreyetai h kykloforia forthgwn anw twn 3,5 tonwn: Sthn eqnikh odo Eleysinas-Qhbas apo th diastayrwsh Billiwn kai apo thn idia odo apo thn ejodo Mandras mexri th diastayrwsh twn Billiwn kai se alla shmeia ta opoia exoyn hdh doqei. Na mhn sas koyrazw me perissoteres leptomereies. Ta stoixeia einai sth diaqesh sas.

Epeidh h EMY problepei kai gia ayrio antistoixes synqhkes, apeyqynetai pros oloys h ekklhsh: Na akoyn tis anakoinwseis poy ginontai apo tis armodies arxes. Otan gia paradeigma h Astynomia anakoinwnei oti qa prepei ta oxhmata na kykloforoyn me alysides, ean kapoioi den diaqetoyn alysides na mhn kykloforoyn. Ayta einai ta basika poy hqela na sas pw eisagwgika.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo ton tropo me ton opoio organwnetai h antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy prokalei h kakokairia; Erwtw, giati molis prin mia wra dexthkate sfodrh kritikh apo ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh prospaqei gia to kalytero. Opws sas exw dhlwsei, me aformh qemata, exqros toy kaloy einai to kalytero. Mporw na sas anakoinwsw akomh mia seira drasewn, tis teleytaies hmeres, organwshs enos systhmatos. Fantasteite oti twra poy antimetwpizoyme problhmata se oloklhrh th xwra -giati h kakokairia, opws eipa, den plhttei opws sto parelqon orismenes memonwmenes perioxes monon, alla oloklhrh th xwra- ayta antimetwpisthkan me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Sth mia ekeinh periptwsh poy to problhma egine pio entono gia liges wres -apo xqes to brady ews shmera to prwi- htan sta Temph gia to logo poy sas ejhghsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Dyo erwthseis sto idio qema. H prwth, mias kai exete stoixeia, an jerete, anoije h Khfisias h ejakoloyqei na einai apokleismenh kai na xreiazontai alysides;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Khfisias ekleise gia peripoy 45 lepta me mia wra. O prwtos logos htan ena lewforeio ths EQEL, to opoio sto ycos toy Amaroysioy ``diplwse'' kai o deyteros otan xreiasthke na stamathsei h kykloforia, prokeimenoy -afoy eixe pesei pia to prwto xioni- na rijoyn ta eidika mhxanhmata ths Nomarxias to aparaithto alati, etsi wste na mhn exoyme problhmata argotera to brady. Giati, opws gnwrizoyme oloi mas, ean den antimetwpistei sth mesh ths xionoptwshs h katastash me rhch alatioy, dhmioyrgeitai pagos kai o pagos fernei poly xeirotera apotelesmata.

GKOYTZANHS: H deyterh erwthsh einai gia ta Temph. Afoy thn perimenate thn kakokairia kai ypotiqetai oti eixe kinhtopoihqei o kratikos mhxanismos pws egine kai sas jefyge h katastash, ennow ws kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na epanalabw, loipon, oti egine mia karampola tessarwn aytokinhtwn kai bebaiws thn karampola den thn perimenei kanenas. Kyrie Gkoytzanh mporei na bgeite apo edw kai na trakarete -den sas to eyxomai- kai eseis opws kai egw me to aytokinhto. Ara, loipon, mia karampola, syn ena megalo forthgo aytokinhto poy xalase kai mia ntalika poy paroti eixe alysides glistrhse kai ``diplwse'' sto dromo, einai fainomena poy se tetoioy eidoys kairikes katastaseis mporei na symboyn ana pasa stigmh.

TSIODRAS: Yphrje diakoph reymatos se kapoies perioxes ths Attikhs kai an katalogisthkan eyqynes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw perissoteres leptomereies gi` ayto. Apasxolhqhka poly perissotero syzhtwntas me ton k. Sioyfa, prin apo ligh wra, gia to qema ths Kefalonias, to opoio nomizoyme oti ayth th stigmh einai to sobarotero problhma poy antimetwpizoyme sth xwra. Ena nhsi poy eixe thn atyxia na kopoyn kai oi dyo syndeseis hlektrikoy reymatos kai apo borra kai apo noto. Prospaqoyme na broyme tropoys -den mporei na jeperasei bebaiws kaneis ton kairo- prokeimenoy na apokatastaqei grhgora ayth h blabh.

SPYRAKH: Den exete eikona; Yphrje kai sto Barnaba.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw plhrh eikona alla meta th syskech qa mporesw na sas dwsw perissoteres plhrofories.

TSIODRAS: Nomizw oti exei ypobalei paraithsh kapoios perifereiarxhs ths DEH.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto.

POYLIDOY: Ep` aytoy qa hqela na rwthsw kai ara na einai oloklhrwmenes oi apanthseis. Akoysa sto radiofwno oti mia monada ths DEH epaqe blabh kai eteqh ektos leitoyrgias kai syzhteitai to na katebainei h staqmh ths hlektrodothshs se olh thn Attikh gia na kalyfqei ayto to keno. An ayto einai apo ta anapantexa h den eixe ginei synthrhsh sth sygkekrimenh monada.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh moy kanete sygkekrimenh erwthsh, qa eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw amesws meta th syskech poy qa pragmatopoihqei stis 13:30.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh me dhlwseis twn synarmodiwn Ypoyrgwn eixe qesei ws prwth proteraiothta to eqniko diktyo na meinei anoikto. Par` ola ayta ta Temph ekleisan kai yphrjan kai egklwbismenoi. To apodidete se kapoia tyxaia, mallon, symbanta. Einai dynaton tyxaia symbanta na koniortopoioyn oloklhro to sxediasmo ths kybernhshs kai ta metra poy ypotiqetai oti exei parei; Thn kinhtopoihsh oloy toy kratikoy mhxanismoy; Mhpws kati pasxei, ennow oson afora ta mesa gia thn antimetwpish ths kakokairias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me thn erwthsh sas moy dinete thn eykairia na epanalabw to problhma to opoio dhmioyrghqhke -to eipa hdh dyo fores- kai apo poy jekinhse. Epitrecte moy, omws, na dieykrinisw kati to opoio isws den eipa sthn eisagwgikh moy enhmerwsh: Den eixame egklwbismo. Eixame odhgoys aytokinhtwn oi opoioi paremeinan me th qelhsh toys ekei. Stratiwtika oxhmata kai stratiwtes, opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, mporoysan na toys metaferoyn se kontines poleis. Kai egine ayto, gia paradeigma, sth Larisa, opoy metaferqhkan kai dianyktereysan se jenodoxeio. Odhgoi forthgwn poy den hqelan na fygoyn, emeinan sthn perioxh kai toys paresxeqhkan oles oi prwtes anagkes, trofima, koybertes kok. Den eixame, loipon, egklwbismo anqrwpwn opws parathrhqhke sto parelqon. Ontws h alhqeia einai ayth poy sas eipa prohgoymenws: Mia karampola tessarwn I.X. kai dyo megala forthga, ek twn opoiwn to ena epaqe mhxanikh blabh kai to allo ``diplwse'' sta Temph, htan h aitia gia to problhma poy antimetwpisame aytes tis wres.

KAKALHS: Ypotiqetai oti stoys dromoys htan h pyrosbestikh, ta erpystriofora, ta panta gia na antimetwpisoyn analoga symbanta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, alla antilambaneste oti megala forthga oxhmata, opws ayta ta opoia exoyn kai deytero rymoylkoymeno oxhma, gia na metakinhqoyn xreiazontai terastioys geranoys oi opoioi den mporei na einai toses xiliades, wste na exoyme enan ana 100 metra. Katalabainete, loipon, pws dhmioyrghqhke to problhma.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den eimai toso filolaikos. Qa rwthsw mia panomoiotyph erwthsh poy eixa kanei kai ston Prwtopapa otan eixame to allo@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ton kyrio Prwtopapa.

SIDERHS: Toys politikoys otan den toys leme kyrioys den einai ypotimhsh. Anaferomaste se trito proswpo. Arkei na sas qymisw oti eixate ekmetalleytei tote th xionoqyella poy eixe ginei. Katalabainete bebaia oti den mporoyme panta na ta bazoyme me ton kairo. Qelw na rwthsw, yparxoyn polloi odhgoi sta I.X. toys poy eixan kai ta paidia toys kai fwnazane. Kai aytoi den eixan alysides me apotelesma na dysxerainoyn kai aytoi thn kykloforia. Qa ypostoyn kapoies synepeies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy mia parathrhsh, mias kai katagrafetai to briefing opws h erwthsh kai h apanthsh: Se kamia periptwsh h Nea Dhmokratia den ekmetalleythke ta kairika fainomena ths periodoy toy Ianoyarioy h Febroyarioy toy 2004, opws anaferate sthn erwthsh sas. Htan paroysa.

SIDERHS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti qymoymaste ta panta. Qymoymaste ta paraqyra twn stelexwn sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw na dexeste kai thn apanthsh efoson erwtate. Oloi qymomaste, oxi mono eseis. Doja tw Qew ki emeis exoyme mnhmh. Ekeino poy ekane tote h Nea Dhmokratia einai oti htan paroysa, opws akribws einai kai twra ws kybernhsh. Einai paroysa. O mhxanismos ergazetai, oloi oi ypoyrgoi briskontai ekei poy prepei, eite syntonizontas apo ton syntonistiko xwro, analoga me to ti ergo exei analabei o kaqenas, eite briskomenos ston topo poy antimetwpizei to problhma. Kai antimetwpisthkan para polla problhmata ta opoia dinoyn thn kalh eikona ths kykloforias se olh thn Ellada. Ena megalo problhma eixame sta Temph kai to ejhghsa me analytiko tropo. Kai to deytero problhma, to opoio exoyme sthn Kefalonia kai afora to reyma. Kata ta loipa, oles oi ypoloipes perioxes ths Ellada, opoy to xioni einai epishs pykno, h xionoptwsh megalh, den antimetwpisan ta problhmata ekeina poy antimetwpisthkan se aytes tis dyo perioxes.

BLAXOS: Pws qa xarakthrizate shmera tis sxeseis Karamanlh-Ntoras Mpakogiannh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas. Oi sxeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me kaqe stelexos einai poly kales.

BLAXOS: Kai me thn k. Mpakogiannh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me ola ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

BLAXOS: Eidika me thn k. Mpakogiannh einai poly kales.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me ola ta stelexh.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos synhqize ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na episkeptetai se tetoies periodoys kakokairias tis xionismenes perioxes, toys apokleismenoys odhgoys kai na diapistwnei thn ektash toy problhmatos. Ayth th fora den to ekane. Mhpws protiqetai na to kanei sth synexeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na apokleisw oti qa ginei ayto poy me rwtate. O Prwqypoyrgos, apo xqes to brady einai se synexh epafh me oloys toys ypoyrgoys poy einai armodioi. Apo th qesh toy syntonizei mia seira energeiwn. To idio symbainei kai olo to prwi kai twra sth syskech poy qa akoloyqhsei se ligh wra. Shmasia exei to apotelesma, opws gnwrizete, otan kapoios einai sthn kybernhsh. Kai to apotelesma ayto, mexri stigmhs, se ena poly megalo pososto einai ena kalo apotelesma. Anagnwrizw ta dyo shmantika problhmata. Eipa toys logoys gia toys opoioys eginan kai bebaiws dhlwsa ayto poy exw janadhlwsei kai me aformh alla qemata kai alles erwthseis: Pantote o exqros toy kaloy einai to kalytero.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh to akoyw synexeia, kai xqes kai shmera, oi odhgoi pane den pane se xionia, einai ypoxrewmenoi na exoyn alysides;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean basei toy kwdika odikhs kykloforias, epiballetai na exei kapoios alysides. Sigoyra omws otan phgainei se perioxes poy exoyn xionia, bebaiws kai ofeilei na exei alysides kai na tis xrhsimopoihsei. Epixeirhma opws ``rwthsa kai moy eipan oti einai anoixtos o dromos'' den isxyei giati oles oi armodies arxes eixan frontisei na enhmerwsoyn, kaqws kai ta Mesa Enhmerwshs poy epi dyo hmeres eixan prwto to qema twn xionoptwsewn. Ara, loipon, kai o poliths otan etoimazetai na tajidecei, proetoimazei ton eayto toy, thn oikogeneia toy, to aytokinhto toy kok.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ameleia mporei na einai, einai adikhma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

GKOYTZANHS: Ep` aytoy. Thn Kyriakh o k. Boylgarakhs bghke kai peripoy toys apeilhse oloys aytoys toys odhgoys, na mh dianohqoyn na bgoyne stoys dromoys. Na mhn exoyn mazi toys to diplwma. Peripoy qa toys antimetwpisei san toys Pakistanoys ton Aygoysto. Telika qa lhfqoyn metra kata aytwn twn odhgwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den dexomai se kamia periptwsh oti yphrje ypoyrgos poy apeilhse kapoion. Ayto poy lete to blepw omws apo th qetikh optikh gwnia toy: Dhladh, o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, meres prin arxisei h kakokairia, eixe frontisei me dhmosies dhlwseis toy na epishmanei thn anagkh na kinhqoyme oloi me tropo poy kinoyntai kai oi ypoloipoi dytikoeyrwpaikoi laoi, poy antimetwpizoyn pio syxna tetoia kairika fainomena, opws ayto poy antimetwpizoyme emeis tis teleytaies dyo meres.

GKOYTZANHS: To apotelesma omws; Gi` ayto rwthsa.

BLAXOS: Ara, meta thn epityxia ayth toy k. Boylgarakh blepetai anabaqmish ston epikeimeno anasxhmatismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

POYLIDOY: O k. Stro apekalyfqh shmera oti einai kai ek meroys toy Genikoy Grammatea toy OHE sthn periodeia poy kanei se Kypro, Toyrkia kai Ellada. Otan zhthse epafh me thn ellhnikh pleyra, h ellhnikh pleyra htan enhmerh oti einai kai entolodoxos toy k. Anan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H episkech toy k. Stro einai episkech ergasias. H ektimhsh sas oti o k. Stro episkeptetai th xwras mas ws ``entolodoxos toy k. Anan'' den prokyptei apo poyqena.

POYLIDOY: H toyrkikh pleyra exei enhmerwsei oti exei kataqesei protash ston OHE gia to Kypriako. Fantazomai oti den jerete ta stoixeia ths protashs. Ws kinhsh pws th sxoliazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kapoio idiaitero sxolio. Shmasia exei na breqei h lysh, etsi opws exei perigrafei polles fores kai dia stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai dia stomatos toy Kyprioy Proedroy kai oi opoies kinhseis na einai kinhseis oysias.

POYLIDOY: Kai h trith erwthsh sthn opoia fantazomai oti den exete apanthsh, mhpws enhmerwqhkate poios qa paei sto Ntabos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den qa ekproswphqei apo kapoion h kybernhsh sto Ntabos.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa einai ekei o Anan, o Erntogan, o Bretanos Prwqypoyrgos, h Kontoliza Rais kai ekatontades alloi poy den toys jerw ayth th stigmh. Qewreite oti den xreiazetai na parastei h Ellada;

SIDERHS: Einai kai h deyterh xronia poy eiste apontes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti den qa parastei h Ellada. Nai, einai h deyterh xronia. H Ellada einai paroysa opoy, opote kai opws krinei se oles tis maxes ekeines poy exoyme dwsei gia ta megala eqnika mas qemata. Ean milame gia to Kypriako, htan kai paramenei paroysa h shmerinh kybernhsh dinontas epityxhmenes maxes mexri stigmhs gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn.

POYLIDOY: Poia htan h teleytaia epityxia, moy qymizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oles oi maxes htan epityxhmenes se o,ti afora thn ypoqesh toy Kypriakoy. Sas qymizw tis protaseis poy eginan, tis parembaseis kapoiwn poy prospaqhsan na allajoyn th gnwmh toy Kypriakoy laoy kok.

SIDERHS: Giati den qa pate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

SIDERHS: Den apanthsate to giati.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei. Xrhsimopoieiste ayta poy exw pei kai qa exete thn apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Panqomologeitai oti h Toyrkia me th bohqeia twn HPA kai ths Bretanias kai tis protaseis poy kanei gia th lysh toy Kypriakoy, thn prwtoboylia ayth, epidiwkei na mhn efarmosei to prwtokollo epektashs ths telwneiakhs enwshs poy einai oros gia tis entajiakes diapragmateyseis. H stash ths kybernhshs apenanti s` ayto poia einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw apo poioys panqomologeitai. Se kaqe periptwsh omws, qa mporoyse na apotelei mia emmesh apanthsh sto erwthma poy eteqh prohgoymenws apo synadelfo sas. Dhladh, qelw na pw oti h Toyrkia exei kaqe logo endexomenws na prospaqei na bgei apo th qesh sthn opoia exei perielqei giati einai ypoxrewmenh na kinhqei sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, etsi opws ayth apofasise kai me thn isxyrh qesh kai symmetoxh ths xwras mas se aytoy toy eidoys ta zhthmata. An anazhtei tropoys gia na mhn antapokriqei se aytes tis ypoxrewseis, tote qa mporoyse na pei kaneis oti einai tropoi entypwsiasmoy mono, giati epi ths oysias h Toyrkia einai ypoxrewmenh na akoloyqhsei apolytws tis desmeyseis poy exei labei entos toy plaisioy ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h efhmerida ``TO BHMA THS KYRIAKHS'' apokalyce mia lista, sxetika me kapoia ependytika programmata toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, me sygxwreite toy ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, gia thn egkrish ependytikwn programmatwn ycoys 350 ekat. eyrw. To ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs epibebaiwse xqes me anakoinwsh toy, oti ontws yphrje lista kapoiwn fysikwn proswpwn poy exoyn kataqesei aithsh gia xrhmatodothsh, alla to endiaferon einai oti se ayth th lista poy apokalyfqhke emfanizontai stelexh ths N.D. ypoyrgoi, yfypoyrgoi, akoma kai proedroi nomarxiakwn organwsewn, oi opoioi, kata kapoio tropo, piezoyn na egkriqoyn ta programmata oswn exoyn kataqesei aithsh. To PASOK kateqese xqes dyo erwthseis sth Boylh. To ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs anagnwrise oti yparxei qema kai milhse gia aytonohto endiaferon boyleytwn gia thn enhmerwsh kai thn epispeysh twn ependysewn, den ejhgei, omws, giati kategrafhsan se mystikh lista ayta ta stelexh; Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, anafereste sto ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. Deyteron, exoyme diaforetikh antilhch peri twn ``apokalycewn''. Triton, se o,ti afora to qema ayto kaq eayto, opoios diabazei, gnwrizei oti ta programmata ayta egkrinontai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai oti yparxoyn sygkekrimenoi, aysthroi kanones, oi opoioi malista egina aysthroteroi apo ayth thn kybernhsh. Tetarton, to endiaferon twn boyleytwn -eite einai se qesh ypoyrgoy h yfypoyrgoy, eite paramenoyn boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos, eite boyleytes ths antipoliteyshs- einai ayto poy diatypwnetai se kaqe periptwsh, oxi gia kanenan allo logo, alla giati pragmatika o boyleyths ofeilei na endiaferetai, gia to ti ginetai sthn perioxh toy. Pempton, ean anatrejete ligo sta keimena twn erwthsewn pollwn boyleytwn toy PASOK, qa diapistwsete oti yparxei antistoixo endiaferon se erwthseis poy exoyn ypoblhqei, se ypoyrgoys kai ston ypoyrgo Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, gia antistoixa programmata. Ara, loipon, den blepw kati mempto, apo th stigmh poy oloi oi boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn h toylaxiston twn dyo megalwn kommatwn, endiaferontai gia sygkekrimena programmata. Ekton, na sas dwsw ena paradeigma, gia na deite ``to atopon ths apokalycews'': O k. Giannhs Manwlhs, me ton opoio synomilhsa xqes kai toy opoioy anaferetai to onoma toy, rwthse -opws exoyn kanei kai alloi boyleytes, ypoyrgoi, yfypoyrgoi- ti ginetai me to programma tade; Ena programma to opoio eixe egkriqei hdh apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK. Kai mias kai afora thn epixeirhsh ths perioxhs sthn opoia eklegetai boyleyths, phre na rwthsei giati akoma den exoyn ektamieyqei ta xrhmata. Ara, loipon, antilambaneste giati xrhsimopoihsa th frash: Exoyme allh antilhch gia thn apokalych kai giati ebala th lejh ``apokalych'' entos pollwn eisagwgikwn.

RABANOS: Moy epitrepete mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Ston pinaka poy apokalyfqhke, ean den sas aresei o oros, tygxanei na einai ola stelexh ths N.D., ayto pws to sxoliazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa oti to endiaferon enos ekastoy boyleyth, eite ekdhlwnetai me thlefwnhma sto grafeio toy ypoyrgoy, eite me grapto aithma toy sth Boylh, yparxoyn, gia paradeigma, poly endiaferoyses erwthseis. Giati den kanete reportaz sto ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs qa sas bohqhsei para poly kai qa bgalete mia poly pio wraia apokalych, gia na deite poioi einai oi boyleytes toy PASOK poy exoyn rwthsei, giati qa prepei na ginei h ``tade'' ependysh, otan yparxei h ``deina'' ependysh sthn perioxh. Epanalambanw, kai parakalw epeidh eipa eji shmeia, mh jexasete kapoio apo ola kai idiws mhn jexasete to shmeio ekeino, sto opoio anefera tis aysthres prodiagrafes, poy exoyn ginei aysthroteres epi kybernhsews N.D., egkrishs enos programmatos apo thn idia thn E.E. Ayto, loipon, poy ypainissetai to dhmosieyma, den isxyei sthn pragmatikothta.

SIDERHS: Giati den einai sth lista -epanalambanw to erwthma toy synadelfoy- kai oi boyleytes toy PASOK, afoy kai aytoi endiaferontai gi ayta; Epiprosqetws, giati anaferontai ws sponsores oi sygkekrimenoi boyleytes kai oi nomarxiakes organwseis ths N.D.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas, rwthste thn efhmerida. Oson afora to prwto, exw apanthsei, den qa pw tipota perissotero.

SIDERHS: H lista grafei gia sponsores.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh yparxei;

Sas eyxaristw.

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