Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-01-26

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Aqhna, 26 Ianoyarioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Para thn ypoxwrhsh twn ejwterikwn xarakthristikwn toy kymatos kakokairias poy eplhje me idiaiterh kai asynhqisth sfodrothta th xwra tis teleytaies meres, o kratikos mhxanismos ejakoloyqei na brisketai se plhrh kinhtopoihsh. O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos syntonizei synexws se 24wrh bash tis draseis ths Politikhs Prostasias gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy prokalesan ta akraia kairika fainomena se olh th xwra.

Opws gnwrizete, to shmantikotero problhma poy yparxei ayth th stigmh se polles perioxes ths xwras kai ofeiletai afenos men sth megalh kai pyknh xionoptwsh kai afeteroy stis xamhles qermokrasies poy ejakoloyqoyn na epikratoyn, einai o pagetos. Epishmainetai h prosoxh olwn twn politwn giati qa exoyme poly pageto kai shmera to brady. Synepws oloi oi polites prepei na metakinoyntai me idiaiterh prosoxh, eite metakinoyntai me to aytokinhto toys, eite pezoi.

Oson afora to eqniko odiko diktyo den paroysiazetai ayth th stigmh stoys kentrikoys ajones poyqena problhma. Oi basikoi ajones sthn Aqhna einai epishs batoi. Ta ekxionistika mhxanhmata kai ta mhxanhmata poy rixnoyn alati kinoyntai synexws kai apomakrynoyn to xioni apo deytereyoyses arthries sthn perifereia kai apo dromoys mesa stis poleis. Mikra problhmata paroysiazontai sth boreia pleyra ths Eyboias, ta opoia antimetwpizontai apotelesmatika. Xwria poy eixan apokopei, logw twn sfodrwn xionoptwsewn, apeleyqerwnontai synexws.

Kataballontai megales prospaqeies na apokatastaqei h paroxh hlektrikoy reymatos sthn Kefalonia kai thn Iqakh. Exei hdh arxisei stadiaka h apokatastash ths hlektrodothshs. Epi topoy briskontai omades texnikwn, oi opoioi kanoyn o,ti einai anqrwpinwn dynaton, wste na apokatastaqei plhrws h blabh to syntomotero. Mikroproblhmata sthn hlektrodothsh se diafores perioxes, antimetwpizontai me synexh kinhtopoihsh toy mhxanismoy ths DEH, o opoios brisketai se synexh epagrypnhsh wste na elaxistopoihqoyn ta problhmata.

To ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs apesteile egkyklio se oles tis Nomarxies ypodeiknyontas toys, metajy allwn, na parakoloyqoyn stena thn agora opwrokhpeytikwn.

SPYRAKH: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth: Exei na pei tipota epipleon h kybernhsh gia thn enhmerwsh poy kanei o k. Molybiaths ston k. Papandreoy; Kai h deyterh afora sto sxolio sas, se sxesh me thn protash toy Syndesmoy Ellhnwn Biomhxanwn gia thn ayjhsh toy orioy apolysewn panw apo to 2%.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas: Opws eipate, pragmati, se thlefwnikh epafh poy eixe o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. G. Papandreoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, zhthse enhmerwsh. O Prwqypoyrgos aneqese ston k. Molybiath na enhmerwsei ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Opws antilambaneste, ayth th stigmh den exw na pw tipote perissotero gia mia enhmerwsh poy brisketai se ejelijh. Oson afora sto deytero skelos, o k. Alogoskoyfhs edwse prin apo ligo apanthsh, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, meta apo synergasia poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Epanalambanw ayto poy eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs: H qesh ths kybernhshs gi` ayta ta qemata einai apolytws safhs.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh o k. Alogoskoyfhs den anaferqhke sthn oysia, qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh se ayth thn periptwsh enanti ayths ths protashs threi th stash toy oydeteroy;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei safeis qeseis. Parakoloyqeite poly stena thn kybernhtikh politikh kai eimai bebaios oti eiste enhmerh gia ola ta qemata.

SPYRAKH: Mporeite na epanalabete th qesh ths kybernhshs se sxesh me to orio twn apolysewn;

ANTWNAROS: Briskontai se isxy sygkekrimenes nomoqetikes ryqmiseis.

MPOTSARAKOS: Yparxei periptwsh na allajoyn oi nomoqetikes ryqmiseis, na ayjhqei to orio twn apolysewn; Nai h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote allo.

KYRITSHS: Xqes, yioqethqhke apo to Eyrwkoinoboylio mia ekqesh toy eyrwboyleyth toy SYN k. Papadhmoylh gia thn anagkh enisxyshs ths politikhs prostasias kai th synergasia twn eyrwpaikwn kybernhsewn se ayth thn kateyqynsh, idiws se qemata fysikwn katastrofwn, asqeneiwn k.t.l. O k. Papadhmoylhs, se dhlwseis toy, zhthse thn yposthrijh ths kybernhshs sto Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn, prokeimenoy na perasei h ekqesh ayth, kaqws opws eipe briskomaste se mia periodo ``eyrwtsiggoynias''. Qelw na rwthsw gia th stash poy qa thrhsei h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

KAKALHS: Me thn egkyklio poy esteile o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs stoys Nomarxes, oson afora thn antimetwpish ths aisxrokerdeias kai ths kerdoskopias, nomizei h kybernhsh oti ekane to kaqhkon ths, me dedomeno oti oi Nomarxes exoyn kataggeilei oti den exoyn kan toys stoixeiwdeis elegktikoys mhxanismoys, oyte gia deigmatolhptikoys elegxoys. Ara, pws qwrakizete toys katanalwtes apenanti sto kyma kerdoskopias;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn kai alloi mhxanismoi toys opoioys exei enisxysei, opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh kai eidikotera to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Oi mhxanismoi briskontai se synexh drash. Qa hqela, omws, na epishmanw gia mia akomh fora to ejhs: Oi teleytaies hmeres den einai synhqismenes, oyte gia tis poleis, oyte gia thn ellhnikh ypaiqro. Ta kairika fainomena htan akraia. H sygkomidh kai h metafora twn proiontwn den ginontai opws synhqws.

KAKALHS: Dikaiologeite, dhladh, tis ayjhseis, anatimhseis sta proionta eyreias katanalwshs, diatrofhs k.t.l.;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai den eipa kati tetoio. Epeidh me rwthsate ean leitoyrgoyn oi mhxanismoi, sas apanthsa oti oi mhxanismoi leitoyrgoyn poly kala. Alla, den mporeite na perimenete trofodosia ths agoras me kanonikoys ryqmoys, akribws logw twn eidikwn kairikwn synqhkwn. Otan, loipon, yparxoyn problhmata sthn trofodosia ths agoras me orismena proionta, se olo ton kosmo einai fysiko oi times na paroysiazoyn diakymanseis gia mikra xronika diasthmata. Ayto den mporei na to apofygei kaneis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H DEH eixe kapoies zhmies. Twra, qa tis plhrwsei o ellhnikos laos; Qa ginoyn ayjhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Giati to lete ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati yparxei mia aisqhsh oti qa ayjhqei to reyma.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy yparxei ayth h aisqhsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo th DEH. Apo poion allon;

SPYRAKH: Apo ton k. Maniatakh. O k. Maniatakhs zhthse ayjhseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eikosi tois ekato malista zhta.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimenoi mhxanismoi kai diadikasies, basei twn opoiwn ayjanontai ta timologia ths DEH kai allwn DEKO, poy prosferoyn yphresies stoys Ellhnes polites. Oi apofaseis gia thn ayjhsh twn timologiwn aytwn ypografontai apo toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys. Den einai wra na syzhtoyme gia ayjhseis sta timologia ths DEH.

SIDERHS: Qa hqela thn politikh sas ektimhsh se ayth thn protash twn biomhxanwn. Nomizete oti exoyn apoqrasynqei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

PEPONHS: Exei kanei h kybernhsh kapoia apotimhsh gia tis zhmies apo thn kakokairia;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Einai para poly nwris. Giati, opws gnwrizete, megales perioxes ths xwras einai akomh kalymmenes apo xioni. Synepws, den einai eykolo na ginei h apotimhsh twn endexomenwn, twn piqanologoymenwn -qa elega- zhmiwn, ayth th stigmh. Einai poly nwris. Apolyth proteraiothta, ayth th stigmh, exei h apokatastash twn kanonikwn ryqmwn leitoyrgias se olh thn epikrateia. Kati poy ginetai me taxytatoys ryqmoys.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Hqela na rwthsw to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia ta apotelesmata twn palaistiniakwn eklogwn gia th nikh ths XAMAS kai thn anaggelia gia th dhmioyrgia kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristw gia thn erwthsh sas. Den eimai se qesh, ayth th stigmh, na kanw sxolio. Qa epikoinwnhsw me to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai tis epomenes wres -h egw h to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn- qa sas dwsoyme mia apanthsh.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean meta ta ektakta peristatika poy synebhsan sthn Kefalonia kai thn Iqakh yparxei h skech na khryxqei h perioxh se kaqestws ektakths anagkhs.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoia skech, ayth th stigmh. Opws sas eipa sthn eisagwgh moy, proxwra me ikanopoihtikoys ryqmoys stadiaka h apokatastash ths hlektrodothshs. Eixame ena poly akraio kairiko fainomeno ekei. Epanalambanw ayto poy eipame tis teleytaies hmeres: Eixame katarreysh epta pylwnwn, oi opoioi ejasfalizan thn hlektrodothsh toy nhsioy apo dyo pleyres kai gi` ayto akribws ftasame se ayth thn katastash, thn opoia twra antimetwpizoyme me ola ta mesa poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na jerw ean qa epanalambanate th dhlwsh poy kanete edw kai kairo oti den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exoyme pei ton teleytaio kairo.

XIWTHS: H efhmerida ``PONTIKI'' dhmosieyei shmera plhrofories oti yphrje synanthsh ths k. Mpakogiannh me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai toy k. N. Kaklamanh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Epibebaiwnete aytes tis plhrofories;

ANTWNAROS: Den epibebaiwnw aytes tis plhrofories.

BLAXOS: Tis diaceydete, dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den epibebaiwnw aytes tis plhrofories.

BLAXOS: Ara, tis diaceydete.

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes ayto poy sas eipa.

BLAXOS: Einai safestath kai h erwthsh moy. Tis diaceydete;

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas eipa oti den epibebaiwnontai aytes oi plhrofories. Allh erwthsh.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti den kanete kanena sxolio gia thn protash toy SEB, h opoia perilambanei -opws jerete- apeleyqerwsh apolysewn, meiwsh asfalistikwn eisforwn, katarghsh syllogikwn symbasewn, meiwsh apodoxwn. Ayth h stash sas den eklambanetai dikaiologhmena ws enqarrynsh kai sthrijh mias tetoias protashs. H erwthsh einai: Telika yparxei kapoio orio gia thn kybernhsh, oson afora thn afairesh twn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den afairoyntai dikaiwmata.

KAKALHS: @den akoygetai@

ANTWNAROS: Milhsate gia afairesh dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn apo thn kybernhsh. Afhste me, loipon, na apanthsw ek meroys ths kybernhshs. Den apantw ek meroys toy SEB h opoioydhpote alloy koinwnikoy forea. Den afairoyntai, loipon, apo kanenan dikaiwmata. Antiqetws, exw thn pepoiqhsh oti me th shmerinh kybernhsh enisxyontai akomh perissotero ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn. Dioti ekeino to opoio exei symferon o kaqe ergazomenos sthn xwra mas, einai na brisketai se ena staqera anaptyssomeno oikonomiko periballon, poy qa ejasfalizei ston idio doyleia, sta paidia toy sigoyria gia to mellon, gia to kalo olwn mas kai ths xwra mas. Kai ayto kanei ayth h kybernhsh. Epanalambanw, gia mia akomh fora, oti thn oikonomikh politikh thn kaqorizei, oytws h allws, h kybernhsh. Kaneis allos.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia thn xqesinh ejelijh me thn arnhsh ths k. Mpoyrmpoylia na ekdoqei sthn Ellada kai na mas peite poies energeies qa kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia na to petyxei ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Eixa pei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh den afhnei kamia wra na perasei anekmetalleyth. To ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, to opoio exei thn eyqynh gia to sygkekrimeno qema, dhladh thn ekdosh toy sygkekrimenoy proswpoy, to opoio anaferate, exei kanei ola ta aparaithta bhmata kai parakoloyqei thn ypoqesh apo konta. Antilambaneste, omws, oti se kamia periptwsh den qa sxoliasw qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs, eite ths dikhs mas, eite mias allhs xwras, poy einai kratos-melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

BLAXOS: H k. Mpoyrmpoylia leei oti kindyneyei h zwh ths. Ayto einai to epixeirhma ths. Qelw na moy peite loipon, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh eggyatai thn asfaleia ths zwhs ths kai ths korhs ths, se periptwsh poy erqei edw.

ANTWNAROS: Mporoyn polloi kathgoroymenoi, kata kairoys, na xrhsimopoioyn diafora tertipia. H Dikaiosynh lambanei panta tis apofaseis ths.

SPYRAKH: Allo sas rwthse.

ANTWNAROS: Kai egw apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Ara, den diasfalizete th zwh ths;

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste prosektika ti eipa, molis.

MPOTSARAKOS: Dhmosiopoihqhke mia epistolh toy k. Palaiokrassa gia elliph synthrhsh, kakodiaxeirish k.lp. sto diktyo ths DEH. Ean to syndyasoyme ayto me thn kontra poy eixe o k. Palaiokrassas me ton k. Maniatakh, kai th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Maniatakh gia ayjhseis en mesw toy xionia, qelw na rwthsw ean yparxei problhma me th Dioikhsh ths DEH, meta ta teleytaia gegonota.

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti katalhgete se ermhneies, oi opoies einai biastikes kai den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

MPOTSARAKOS: O k. Palaiokrassas to leei, den to lew egw.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Palaiokrassas eixe sto parelqon ws Proedros, thn eyqynh gia th DEH. Ayto poy proexei einai h shmerinh Dioikhsh ths DEH, ekponei epixeirhmatika sxedia, wste h DEH, poy einai mia shmantikh epixeirhsh sto xwro ths energeias, na mporei na parexei kai sto mellon tis yphresies ths stoys Ellhnes polites.

MPOTSARAKOS: Mhpws, omws, yparxei qema na ginei ``prwhn'' kai o k. Maniatakhs, afoy eqese qema ayjhsewn thn hmera toy xionia; Einai toylaxiston akomco ayto, den symfwneite;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Maniatakhs apanthse se mia sxetikh erwthsh poy toy eteqh. Oi Dioikhseis ths DEH, kata kairoys, ekponoyn diafora sxedia, ypoballoyn diafores protaseis, kanoyn diafores skeceis. Tis apofaseis gia tis endexomenes ayjhseis timologiwn stis DEKO, tis lambanoyn, opws sas eipa, oi armodioi ypoyrgoi.

BLAXOS: Eixe, omws, epikriqei o k. Palaiokrassas gia to aithma poy eixe kai aytos o idios gia thn katastash sth DEH kai kyriws gia to gegonos oti eixe parei mia katrakyla h metoxh ths DEH. Ola ayta symbainoyn twra. Dhladh, h mish Ellada den exei reyma, zhtoyn ayjhseis kai h metoxh ths exei parei katrakyla. Giati diwjate ton k. Palaiokrassa; Gia na epanalhfqoyn ola ayta gia ta opoia tote kathgoroysate ton k. Palaiokrassa;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na janazestanw palia faghta.

BLAXOS: O k. Palaiokrassas einai ``palio faghto'';

ANTWNAROS: Einai xqesinh istoria. Oyte mporw na sas parakoloyqhsw ston tropo me ton opoio diatypwsate to plegma twn erwthsewn sas. Milhsate gia qemata, ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. En pash periptwsei, sas ejhghsa pws exei h katastash kai den exw na pw tipota allo gia to qema ths DEH.

SIDERHS: Egw qa synexisw me thn DEH. O k. Maniatakhs apanthse aplws se mia erwthsh. To problhma einai oti h apanthsh ayth th xronikh stigmh me ta tosa problhmata, exei empistosynh h kybernhsh pleon sthn eyqykrisia toy k. Maniatakh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den yparxei kanena tetoio qema, san ayto to opoio qigete.

SIDERHS: Htan ektos topoy kai xronoy, bebaia.

ANTWNAROS: Ta sxolia sas, opws sas eipa, mporeite na ta kanete sta Mesa opoy ergazeste. Emena moy apeyqynete erwthseis k. Siderh, opws kai oi alloi synadelfoi sas, se ayth thn aiqoysa. Moy aresoyn ta sxolia poy akoyw na kanete kamia fora sta MME poy ekproswpeite, alla einai allos o xwros poy ta akoyw.

XIWTHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den einai wra na koybentiazoyme gi ayjhseis sth DEH. Ayth h wra. Ayto shmainei oti mporei meta apo ena mhna, poy qa exei perasei h kakokairia, na einai wra; Dioti anarwtiemai, k. Ekproswpe, o k. Maniatakhs den gnwrize th qesh ths kybernhshs, poy ekfrazete eseis shmera; Profanws th gnwrize, isws gia to xrono na ekane laqos.

ANTWNAROS: Erwthqhkan xqes o k. Sioyfas kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Exoyn dwsei safeis apanthseis. Molis pro oligoy sas edwsa kai egw safeis apanthseis. Den nomizw oti exoyme na poyme tipota allo panw se ayto to qema. Oi apanthseis poy edwsan xqes oi dyo synarmodioi ypoyrgoi exoyn plhrh isxy.

MPOTSARAKOS: Yparxei mia anwnymh kataggelia poy stalqhke se MME -qa th gnwrizete fantazomai- gia ton boyleyth k. Tsima. Ginetai kapoia ereyna gia to poios kanei thn kataggelia, ean einai alhqh ta osa periexontai se aythn; Ti akribws ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Me thn ypoqesh asxoloyntai ta armodia kommatika organa toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias.

BLAXOS: Enantion poioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota allo panw se ayto.

BLAXOS: Poios einai o kathgoroymenos;

ANTWNAROS: Milhsa egw gia kathgoroymeno;

BLAXOS: Poios einai o ypoptos;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota allo panw se ayto.

XIWTHS: Thn exoyn parapemcei sto peiqarxiko symboylio;

ANTWNAROS: Einai qema poy afora kommatikh leitoyrgia. Egw den kanw sxolia kommatikoy xarakthra se ayth thn aiqoysa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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