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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 12 Ianoyarioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 11.00, qa exei synergasia sto Megaro Majimoy me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgo Alogoskoyfh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na epanelqw sto qema Markogiannakh kai qelw na rwthsw poio einai to mhnyma poy stelnei h politikh hgesia ston topo. Enas yfypoyrgos leei kati, sth synexeia leei cemata oti den to eipe @einai profanes oti to kanei gia na diathrhqei sth qesh toy- kai epi tesseramish wres krata omhro oloklhrh thn kybernhsh gia na ftasoyme sto teliko apotelesma h kybernhsh na parakala apo ton yfypoyrgo ayton, o opoios eipe cemata ston ellhniko lao kai ston idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, na ypobalei thn paraithsh toy gia na ginei apodekth, les kai den mporoyse kaneis na toy pei ``file otan les cemata ston ellhniko lao kai ston Prwqypoyrgo, pas aytonohta amesws spiti soy''. Ayto eprepe na htan to mhnyma. Me ayto poy synebh proxqes, poio mhnyma qelete na dwsete sthn ellhnikh koinwnia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean h epanalhch einai mhthr pashs maqhsews, ofeilw na pw oti exei empedwqei h erwthsh sas apo xqes, afoy thn epanalabate xqes treis fores. Den xreiazetai shmerinh tetarth epanalhch, dioti den prokeitai na yparjei allh apanthsh, peran twn oswn eipa xqes: Kanena epipleon sxolio gi` ayth thn ypoqesh.

BLAXOS: Egw katanow th dyskolia poy exete gia na apanthsete, alla qa hqela para poly na moy peite, alhqeia pws mporei na aisqanetai o Prwqypoyrgos, otan mesw toy ekproswpoy toy diapistwnei oti enas yfistamenos toy ypoyrgos toy leei cemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epishs, exw dhlwsei polles fores oti den diermhneyw aisqhmata toy Prwqypoyrgoy se ayth thn aiqoysa.

MPOTSARAKOS: Wstoso, yparxei ena qema oysias poy anakyptei meta tis neoteres dhlwseis toy k. Markogiannakh, otan leei oti yparxei dikonomikh apeiria apo ton k. Lino. Dhladh, sthn oysia epimenei sthn kritikh toy, an kai arxika eixe pei oti den exei kanei tetoies dhlwseis. Ayto pws to sxoliazete; Einai apeiros o k. Linos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw milhsei gia ton ofeilomeno sebasmo sth Dikaiosynh kai toys leitoyrgoys ths. Menw se ayto.

KORAH: Qa hqela na maqw ti mhnyma qelei na steilei to Majimoy me tis praktikes poy akoloyqei kai tis opoies apokalyce o idios o apopemfqeis yfypoyrgos xqes, milwntas ston ANT-1. Eipe oti ``milhse mazi sas kai me ton k. Aggeloy kai toy eipate oti se katalabainoyme Xrhsto, alla qa mas fane ta kanalia an den fygeis''. Synebh ayto; Kai en pash periptwsei, ti mhnyma stelnete; Oi apopompes ginontai katw apo thn piesh ths dhmosiothtas kai oxi me politika krithria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, gnwrizete oti exw parei qesh dhmosiws. Exw kataggeilei tetoioy eidoys fainomena. Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos, qelw na epanalabw gia deyterh fora, -giati to eipa kai xqes, enw hdh exw kanei kai grapth dhlwsh apo proxqes- oti ofeiloyme oloi sebasmo sth Dikaiosynh kai toys leitoyrgoys ths. O ofeilomenos aytos sebasmos einai kai to shmantiko kommati ths ejelijhs ayths ths ypoqeshs.

KAKALHS: Xqes, eipate oti h kybernhsh den kineitai me ryqmoys kanaliwn. O k. Markogiannakhs, omws, eipe oti eseis toy eipate oti den mporeite na antejete thn piesh twn kanaliwn. Mhpws kineitai me oroys kanaliwn tote h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dexthka, hdh, to idio erwthma apo thn k. Korah. Apanthsa kai elpizw na egine antilhpth h apanthsh moy: Ofeiloyme oloi sebasmo sth Dikaiosynh.

KAKALHS: Peri alloy prokeitai omws. Milame oxi me thn oysia, alla se sxesh me @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akribws epeidh prokeitai peri alloy, mporeite na bgalete ta symperasmata poy prepei na bgalete.

KAKALHS: Milame gia thn piesh twn kanaliwn. Eseis apanthsate epi ths oysias toy qematos poy afora th Dikaiosynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto apodeixqhke sthn prajh. Hdh, o synadelfos sas k. Blaxos, xqes kai shmera, epanelabe erwthsh ``giati den biasthkate na kinhqeite pio grhgora me bash ta kanalia''. Exei apanthqei sthn prajh ayto.

SIDERHS: To 2005 eixame anatimhseis ews kai 37,4%. H Ellada einai prwtaqlhths sthn akribeia sthn Eyrwph. Ti einai ayto; Adiaforia, anikanothta h neofileleyqeros talimpanismos poy epitrepei se kapoioys na kerdoskopoyn kai na orgiazoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo lejiplasths eyxomai na mhn ginete lejilagnos. Qa hqela na sas pw oti ton Dekembrio toy 2005 h epiptwsh twn kaysimwn ston plhqwrismo shmeiwse rekor: Eixame 1,23 ekatostiaies monades epiptwsh stis times ejaitias ths ayjhshs twn kaysimwn, toso sthn Ellada, oso kai sthn eyrwzwnh, enw ton antistoixo mhna toy 2003 h epiptwsh ayth htan arnhtikh. Htan -0,8. An ypoqesoyme oti ton Dekembrio qa htan h idia epiptwsh -dhladh den eixame aytes tis terasties ayjhseis poy gnwrizete sto qema toy petrelaioy kai briskotan sto idio shmeio me to 2003- tote o ethsios plhqwrismos qa diamorfwnotan poly xamhlotera, sto 2,3%. Einai alhqeia oti yparxei akribeia, kyriws ejaitias aytoy toy fainomenoy ths megalhs ayjhshs toy petrelaioy kai twn timwn dieqnws. Epishs, einai alhqeia oti ginetai mia poly megalh prospaqeia apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia gia thn patajh fainomenwn kerdoskopias. Allwste, gnwrizete oti polles fores exoyn epiblhqei kyrwseis kai exoyn stalei kai sth Dikaiosynh ekeinoi poy ekanan prospaqeies kerdoskopias se baros toy Ellhna katanalwth.

SIDERHS: Thn enstash moy bebaia thn prolabate. Eipate monos sas kai sthn eyrwzwnh. Kai oi alloi eixan akribo petrelaio. Den einai qylakas h Ellada, alla den eixan aytes tis epiptwseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn diaforetikes epiptwseis se kaqe eidos. Gia paradeigma, h Ellada htan apo tis pio fqhnes an oxi h pio fqhnh xwra sth benzinh, paroti eixame terastia ayjhsh sto petrelaio, th megalyterh ayjhsh poy exei shmeiwqei tis teleytaies dekaeties.

SIDERHS: Logw foroy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai. Alla wstoso ofeiloyme na anagnwrisoyme oti sth mia periptwsh, gia paradeigma, ths benzinhs, eimaste h fqhnoterh xwra sthn eyrwzwnh. Sthn allh periptwsh orismenwn proiontwn, ontws yparxei megalyterh akribeia. H epidrash poy eixe h ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy htan shmantikh.

SIDERHS: Otan synanthqhke o k. Karamanlhs me ton k. Alabano ton krathse mono ena tetarto. Xqes, thn k. Paparhga thn krathse mia wra kai ena tetarto. Ti syzhtoysan olh ayth thn wra; Gia ton Marj poy diabaze o k. Karamanlhs otan htan neos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den hmoyn parwn. Den gnwrizw ti syzhtoysan. H ajia toy xronoy den exei thn ajia poy apodidete eseis.

TSIODRAS: Katalaba to nohma ths apanthshs sas prohgoymenws, se sxesh me to dialogo toy k. Markogiannakh mazi sas. Qa hqela, omws, na rwthsw eyqews ean ayth h syzhthsh egine. An dhladh o k. Markogiannakhs eixe mazi sas ayth thn koybenta sxetika me ta kanalia h an leei cemata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh, milwntas se polloys dhmosiografoys poy moy thlefwnhsan ekeino to brady gia to qema. Den exw na symplhrwsw tipote perissotero dhmosiws.

GKOYTZANHS: Kapoioi den eixame milhsei ekeino to brady k. Ekproswpe. Ti na kanoyme; Na sas paroyme thlefwno meta;

SPYRAKH: Yparxoyn erwthmata apo th syzhthsh poy diateinetai oti ekane mazi sas o k. Markogiannakhs kai me ton k. Aggeloy. Kai ena apo ta erwthmata leei an exete ypoch sas oti o k. Markogiannakhs apodidei se eswkommatikoys toy antipaloys olh ayth thn apokalych poy egine kai to qorybo poy ton paresyre.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw oti exei barythta aytoy toy eidoys o ypainigmos kai den nomizw oti anaferqhke kai apo ton idio ton k. Markogiannakh.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, alla elexqh dhmosiws xqes mexri kai gia triakonta argyria. Den jerw akribws se ti antistoixoyn nomismatika ta argyria@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw parakoloyqhsei to ti diemhfqh tis teleytaies dyo hmeres. O k. Markogiannakhs dhmosiws den anaferetai se ayto poy ypainisseste.

BLAXOS: Alla@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan safes. O anqrwpos anaferqhke sthn ypoqesh toy magnhtofwnoy, toy dhmosiografoy k.t.l. Ekei egine h anafora peri trianta argyriwn. Mh sygxeoyme twra. En pash periptwsei, exw apanthsei sto qema.

KORAH: Na sas bohqhsw kai egw poy exw kalh mnhmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Na mhn me bohqhsete.

MPALHS: Meta thn apomakrynsh toy k. Markogiannakh apodoqhkan kapoies dhlwseis ston k. Lino oti doqhke politika h prepoysa lysh. Qelw na sxoliasete ayth th dhlwsh poy apodidetai ston k. Lino. Kai ena deytero erwthma, ean symmerizeste thn apoch oti kai oi krinontes krinontai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na parathrhsw tria shmeia: Prwton, bebaiws kai oi krinontes krinontai. Oloi krinomaste. Deyteron -kai ayto afora oloys toys leitoyrgoys, eite einai sthn politikh, eite sth dhmosiografia, eite sth dikhgoria, sthn iatrikh, sth Dikaiosynh, eite se opoiodhpote allo epaggelma, einai basikh arxh ths Dhmokratias- den omiloyme peri apomakrynsews alla peri paraithsews. Kai triton, opws eipate, ``apodidetai''. Den exw dei tetoia dhlwsh. Kata synepeia, den mporw na sxoliasw kati to opoio apodidetai ston eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy. Ektimw oti den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta ayth h apodosh plhroforiwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws oti h akribeia einai logw ths epiptwshs twn kaysimwn. Yparxei epiptwsh kaysimwn kai sta diodia; Giati ayjanontai ta diodia kai malista se toso syntomo xroniko diasthma, dyo fores;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti se ena megalo pososto h akribeia ofeiletai ekei. Allwste, einai ena adiamfisbhthto gegonos. Symbainei stis perissoteres xwres toy kosmoy. Se o,ti afora to sygkekrimeno qema poy me rwtate, den exw na sas dwsw apanthsh. Kata periodoys yparxoyn ayjhseis se orismenes parexomenes yphresies, to megeqos twn opoiwn krinetai kai apofasizetai apo seira paragontwn gia toys opoioys qa parakaloysa na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio. Den gnwrizw na sas pw leptomereies.

MOYRTHS: Shmera to prwi o k. Markogiannakhs dhlwse sto radiofwniko staqmo FLASH oti ejefrase tis kriseis poy ejefrase estw kai idiwtika, logw ths parembashs toy k. Linoy sthn ypoqesh toy Rwsoy dolofonoy. Symmerizetai to synolo ths kybernhshs thn idia apoch;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kanena allo sxolio. Exw milhsei arketa gi` ayth thn ypoqesh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Na epikalesteite thn idiothta sas ws Ypoyrgos Typoy kai na sas kanw mia erwthsh, sxoliazontas th deontologia h an qelete th dhmosiografikh praktikh poy akoloyqhse o sygkekrimenos dhmosiografos ws pros th magnhtofwnhsh twn oswn eipe o k. Markogiannakhs. Deyteron, xqes o k. Markogiannakhs sthn k. Stah afhse na ennohqei oti endexomenws pisw apo ayth thn ypoqesh briskontai kapoioi mesa sth Nea Dhmokratia toys opoioys symferei o endexomenos anasxhmatismos na ginei twra. Ti sxolio qa kanete gi` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta dyo erwthmata paremferws teqhkan kai prohgoymenws. Exw hdh apanthsei. Den qa kanw kanena epipleon sxolio. Se o,ti afora ton anasxhmatismo, nomizw oti kai eseis qa eprepe na exete koyrastei na rwtate.

IWANNOY: O k. Markogiannakhs oysiastika afhse xqes na fanei oti yparxei enas polemos apo kapoia stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias enantion toy k. Boylgarakh kai toy k. Markogiannakh enocei anasxhmatismoy. Eseis yioqeteite ayth thn apoch;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai prohgoymenws apo thn k. Spyrakh kai apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Ap` oti katalaba, o k. Markogiannakhs, apomakrynqhke h egine dekth h paraithsh toy, doja tw qew, h ellhnikh glwssa einai ploysia, oxi giati strafhke enantion toy Eisaggelea k. Linoy, alla dioti piasthke na ceydetai dhmosiws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To erwthma poio einai;

BLAXOS: Gi` ayto efyge;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Giati efyge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete na kanete kai erwthma h diapistwsh mono;

GKOYTZANHS: Nomizw oti einai apo mono toy erwthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh apanthqei.

SPYRAKH: Sthn periptwsh toy Ihsoy ta triakonta argyria ta edwsan oi Farisaioi. Sthn periptwsh toy dhmosiografoy, poion yponoei o k. Markogiannakhs; Ayto rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Parakalw rwthste ton k. Markogiannakh.

KORAH: O k. Markogiannakhs eipe kai kati allo, oti aytes tis hmeres sta Xania, diaforoi, na mhn to pw eswkommatikoi toy antipaloi kai syntrofoi toy sth Nea Dhmokratia kai apo alla kommata, ton yperaspizontai. Trexoyn sta kanalia gia na ton yperaspistoyn. Kata ta alla eipe sthn k. Stah ``ti na sas pw egw, bgalte akrh eseis'', afhnontas na ennohqei oti safws kai yparxei enas eswkommatikos polemos. Telika yparxei h den yparxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Egw eipa to antiqeto. Pws bgalate ayto to symperasma; Eipa prohgoymenws, oti den prokyptei apo poyqena oyte tetoia kataggelia apo ton prwhn yfypoyrgo, oyte tetoio gegonos.

KORAH: H kataggelia einai safhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Epimenete oti prokeitai peri paraithsews kai oxi apomakrynsews. Kai egw epimenw na rwtw. Dhladh lete sthn ellhnikh koinwnia san kybernhsh, oti ``pes cemata gia na swqeis, den prokeitai na se timwrhsei kanenas, den prokeitai na se apomakrynei kanenas, oyte kan o Prwqypoyrgos;''

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthqei to erwthma sas, apo xqes. Exei ypoblhqei polles fores. Kai shmera ypeblhqh, exw kanei sxolio sthn arxh. Htan to prwto erwthma. Mhn epimenete, den prokeitai na sas dwsw allh apanthsh.

BLAXOS: Den exete kanei sxolio. To sxolio sas einai oti exete apanthsei. Otan qelete na jefygete, ayto lete, ``exw apanthsei''. Sto telos qa kanw prwtos thn erwthsh gia na mporw na exw mia apanthsh. Den exw allo meso na sas peisw, alla einai poly shmantiko@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei apo xqes opws en prokeimenw. Gia na mhn asteieyomaste, me rwthsate kai xqes kai shmera. Sas apantw oti exw dhlwsei jekaqara pws ofeiloyme oloi sebasmo sth Dikaiosynh kai stoys leitoyrgoys ths. Teleia kai payla. Den exw na anaferw tipote perissotero gi` ayth thn ypoqesh. Oti kai na rwthsete, sto sygkekrimeno erwthma exw apanthsei, ean to epanalambanete. An qelete kati allo, rwthste eleyqera. Yparxei kati allo dhladh poy na mhn to exete janarwthsei alles deka fores;

BLAXOS: Giati, qa sas rwtaw mexri na moy apanthsete. Den katalabainw giati na mhn sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan ena qema exei teqei mia, dyo, treis, pente fores kai exei doqei apanthsh, mporei na mh sas ikanopoiei h apanthsh. Ti na kanoyme; Krinete thn kai peite oti den me ikanopoiei h apanthsh. Krinete thn sto meso poy ergazeste. Doja tw qew, den sas apagoreyei kaneis na kanete thn krish sas.

BLAXOS: Symfwnw mazi sas. Dwste moy omws mia apanthsh. Den moy dwsate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

PAPAGIANNHS: Dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora tis plhrofories poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas, symfwna me tis opoies, gnwstos epixeirhmatias, thlefwnhse sto Megaro Majimoy, gia na mhn yparjei apopomph-paraithsh toy k. Markogiannakh. To epibebaiwnete h to diaceydete; Kai h deyterh einai, giati akribws akoloyqei h kybernhsh kai to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, dyo metra kai dyo staqma. Dhladh, sthn periptwsh toy k. Polyzoy, diegrafh apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias. Sthn periptwsh toy k. Markogiannakh, o opoios ypepese se ena sobaro qesmiko atophma, den diegrafh oyte aytos, oyte o k. Regkoyzas apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Mporeite na moy to ejhghsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs, h lejh ``plhrofories'' prepei na mpei se para polla eisagwgika, dioti den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta, ayto to opoio perigracate. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos, den qa kanw peraiterw sxolio. Qewrw oti h ypoqesh Markogiannakh, opws kai h ypoqesh Polyzoy exoyn sxoliastei para polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa.

KAKALHS: Den qa htan pio megalh h syndromh ths kybernhshs stis mystikes yphresies ths Bretanias kai twn HPA, an stis tromokratikes epixeirhseis ekane perissoteroys elegxoys kai syllhceis allodapwn; Giati mono 5.500 syllhceis kai oxi ena ekatommyrio poy einai oi allodapoi sthn Ellada; Poios kaqorizei ton ariqmo kai poio einai to krithrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na anaferw oti einai fasistikh h antilhch thn opoia ekfrasate molis twra. Eimai bebaios oti to kanate prospaqwntas na diatypwsete dhmosiws kapoio idiotypo xioymor. Se kaqe periptwsh h Ellhnikh Astynomia, oi armodies arxes, ayto to opoio ofeiloyn na kanoyn gia na prostateyoyn ton Ellhna polith kai ton opoio allo polith zei s` ayth th xwra kai exei ta idia dikaiwmata einai na ereynhsoyn tis plhrofories, na kanoyn prosagwgh tyxon ypoptwn gia na ereynhsoyn ean aytoi oi anqrwpoi emplekontai h oxi se drasthriothtes oi opoies einai eknomes. Ara loipon, ektimw kai pali oti einai lanqasmenh h proseggish me thn opoia kanete erwthma. Einai dikaiwma sas na kanete etsi thn erwthsh, akoma kai an qelete na eirwneyteite to rolo kai th doyleia twn yphresiwn poy einai entetalmenes gia thn asfaleia olwn twn politwn.

KAKALHS: Kat` arxas sas epistrefw ton xarakthrismo. Qa hqela epi ths oysias na moy thn dwsete thn apanthsh. Poios kaqorizei to an qa syllhfqoyn 5.500 apo toys allodapoys; Htan to sygkekrimeno shma apo tis bretanikes yphresies; Htan sygkekrimenh h erwthsh kai den eixe kanena fasistiko nohma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan lete ``giati oxi ena ekatommyrio'' dhladh osoi einai oi allodapoi polites, einai ws na dexetai kaneis oti oloi oi allodapoi polites -kai meta qa poyme kai oloi oi Ellhnes k.o.k.- einai ypoptoi.

KAKALHS: Ayth einai h nootropia h dikh sas, oxi h dikh moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa htan loipon ayth h nootropia, an ontws synebaine ayto to opoio eipate prohgoymenws. Tonizw, diermhneyontas to idiotypo xioymor sas, oti einai mia antilhch poy den me briskei symfwno. Se kaqe periptwsh, loipon, epanalambanw oti oi armodies arxes ws entetalmenes gia th thrhsh ths asfaleias gia thn yperaspish twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn poy zoyn s` ayth th xwra, efoson exoyn plhrofories, kinoyntai analogws gia na diakribwsoyn ean aytes oi plhrofories einai alhqeis h ceydeis.

KAKALHS: Kai oi plhrofories aytes aforoysan 5.500 kosmo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ariqmos exei hdh anakoinwqei apo xqes ap` ton armodio Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajews, sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs.

KAKALHS: Rwtaw na maqw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara ti me rwtate; Na epibebaiwsw ayto to opoio eipe hdh xqes sth Boylh enwpion twn boyleytwn toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy o armodios ypoyrgos; Exei apanthsei o armodios ypoyrgos.

KAKALHS: Eipe oti oi elegxoi eginan me shma twn jenwn mystikwn yphresiwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti exei apanthsei o armodios ypoyrgos. Ayto einai safes, to exei pei kai einai jekaqaros kai o ariqmos poy anefere o armodios ypoyrgos.

KYRITSHS: O armodios ypoyrgos eipe, 5.432. Epeidh emeis den hmaste sth Boylh xqes@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan omws alloi synadelfoi sas, giati h diadikasia htan anoixth.

KYRITSHS: Den dinetai h dynatothta na kanoyme erwthseis ston k. Boylgarakh, o opoios exei ejafanistei ektote. Emfanisthke sth Boylh, erwthseis apo dhmosiografoys den dexotan@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na sas pw, oti oi boyleytes eixan ayth th dynatothta. An ginete melos toy Koinoboylioy h metexete sthn armodia epitroph, mporoysate na kanete.

KYRITSHS: Allo oi boyleytes, kanoyn allh doyleia, emeis eimaste dhmosiografoi. Exoyme esas kai esas rwtame.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw.

KYRITSHS: 5.432, shmainei dyo tina kata thn apoch moy, h yparxei ena shma to opoio exei 5.432 onomata, h shmainei oti bgainoyme ston dromo kai opoion ``mayridero'' briskoyme, ton mazeyoyme. Ti ap` ta dyo exei symbei; An yparxei kapoia trith ekdoxh na moy thn peite.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai h dikh sas apoch einai isopedwtikh. Diafwnw teleiws me thn proseggish thn opoia kanete. Isxyei akribws kata lejh oti exw pei apantwntas se synadelfo sas prohgoymenws.

MPOTSARAKOS: Apo xqes mexri shmera, exoyn allajei ta dedomena sxetika me thn noso twn pthnwn kai osa ejelissontai sth geitona. Dhladh efqasan kroysmata ws kai sthn Kwnstantinoypolh. Xqes, eipate, oti den yparxei panikos, alla egrhgorsh. O kindynos pisteyete oti twra einai megalyteros, ginetai kati parapanw, lambanontai kapoia prosqeta metra; Giati plhsiazei olo kai pio konta mas kai ejaplwnetai sthn Toyrkia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lambanontai ola ekeina ta metra poy exoyn synomologhsei oti prepei na lhfqoyn, oi xwres ths E.E., se synergasia me ton Pagkosmio Organismo Ygeias kai oloys toys organismoys poy einai entetalmenoi gia thn prostasia ths dhmosias ygeias dieqnws. H prospaqeia poy ginetai einai na eyaisqhtopoihqoyn kai oi armodies arxes, me tis egkyklioys kai tis entoles poy exoyn stalei kai malista kat` epanalhch. Alla kai oi polites na gnwrizoyn, dioti en agnoia toys mporei na metexoyn se mia diadikasia, h opoia endexomenws na einai ypopth h epikindynh. Gia paradeigma, h anakoinwsh poy sas edwsa xqes kai h opoia exei anarthqei se oles tis pyles eisodoy ths xwras, einai mia anakoinwsh gia na enhmerwqoyn kai oi polites peran twn telwneiakwn ypallhlwn poy diabazoyn tis egkyklioys kai jeroyn pws na xeiristoyn tyxon eisagwgh oxi laqraia, megalhs posothtas proiontwn, alla zwikwn proiontwn aytoy toy eidoys se mikres posothtes.

TSIODRAS: Eipate prin, se sxesh me th dhlwsh toy k. Linoy, oti den exete dei ayth th dhlwsh kai ektimate oti den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta ayta poy apodidontai ston Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy. Wstoso, o k. Linos den exei diaceysei th dhlwsh h opoia exei metadoqei apo ola ta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs. Qa hqela na jerw, se sxesh me sas, giati pisteyete oti den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas, na kanw thn parathrhsh oti to na mh diaceydei kapoios kati, den shmainei kai pantote oti isxyei. Ayth einai mia logikh poy endexomenws exei perasei gia para polla xronia twra sth dhmosiografia, to gnwrizw kai apo prwto xeri ws prwhn dhmosiografos. Den shmainei oti to na mh diaceydei kaqenas kaqeti to opoio legetai, shmainei oti isxyei kiolas.

TSIODRAS: Ti sas kanei esas na pisteyete oti den mporei na isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh, h deyterh parathrhsh einai: Enas eisaggelikos leitoyrgos kai malista se ayto to anwtato epipedo, ektimw oti den exei kanei kapoioy eidoys politika sxolia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ypegrafh prosfata apofash apo dyo Ypoyrgoys gia to stoixhma. Isxyei to asymbibasto Proedroy PAE kai Proedroy etaireias stoixhmatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei to asymbibasto to opoio anakoinwqhke apo toys dyo synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys. Meta thn ypografh ekanan kai dhlwseis, opws gnwrizete, kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai o k. Orfanos.

KORAH: Exei dikaiwma ena politiko stelexos eite einai melos ths kybernhshs eite einai boyleyths na krinei tis energeies toy Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, tis apofaseis poy pairnei gia ereynes kok;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw topoqethqei gia to zhthma ths Dikaiosynhs kai twn leitoyrgwn ths. Qelw na pw oti yparxei mia shmantikh politikh diaforopoihsh toy kommatos poy kyberna shmera ton topo, ths Neas Dhmokratias, apo to prohgoymeno komma poy kybernoyse, to PASOK. Akomh kai shmera yphrje stelexos toy PASOK to opoio ekane kriseis gia th dikaiosynh. Ean anazhthsete dhmosieymata twn efhmeridwn poy ergazeste, qa deite oti polles fores stelexh toy PASOK, Ypoyrgoi, alla ychlobaqma stelexh ekrinan kai proswpa, sygkekrimena proswpa leitoyrgwn ths Dikaiosynhs, alla kai apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs. Emeis, loipon, ws komma diaforopoioymenoi plhrws apo ayth th logikh, qewrwntas oti den einai swsth ayth h proseggish, den to prajame pote. Kai den dexomaste oti bohqaei stoys qesmoys, sthn isorropia metajy twn qesmwn, sthn omalh leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs, apajiwtikh krish toy opoioydhpote dikastikoy leitoyrgoy kai apajiwtikh krish, bebaiws, apofasewn ths Dikaiosynhs.

KORAH: O sxoliasmos omws, einai apodektos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan arketa analytikh h apanthsh h opoia edwsa. Ti perissotero na sas pw; Eseis qelete mia apanthsh me ena nai h ena oxi.

KORAH: Milhsate gia apajiwtikoys xarakthrismoys me toys opoioys oloi symfwnoyme. O sxoliasmos, h kritikh epitrepetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to opoio rwtate apotelei antikeimeno filologikhs syzhthshs, endexomenws kai hmeridas. Den qa mpw se perissoteres leptomereies. Th basikh politikh topoqethsh thn exw hdh kanei.

GKOYTZANHS: Wstoso yparxei o k. Markogiannakhs o opoios kanei tetoioys xarakthrismoys enantion toy k. Linoy kai epimenei se aytoys. Kai apo esas den exei yparjei kapoia kyrwsh giati ap` o,ti mas eipate aplws paraithqhke. Ara ti na ypoqesoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta sxolia kai ta symperasmata mporei na ekfrazontai eleyqera apo ton kaqe dhmosiografo, to exw janapei polles fores. Opws epishs exw pei oti apanthsa hdh sthn ypoqesh endelexws. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, h erwthsh einai oti den apodokimazete ayth th symperifora.

KAKALHS: Para ton prwtofanh ariqmo elegxwn kai syllhcewn allodapwn, den breqhke kanenas tromokraths. H kybernhsh bgazei kapoio symperasma -an bgazei- gyrw apo th sxesh tromokratias kai allodapwn; H mhpws oi elegxoi ginontan gia na tromokrathqoyn oi hdh fobismenoi allodapoi kai gia na doqei to mhnyma stoys ypoloipoys oti den yparxoyn dikaiwmata apenanti stoys elegxoys twn mystikwn yphresiwn, sto onoma ths tromokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh ayth ekane enan apo toys pio proodeytikoys nomoys metanasteytikhs politikhs. Thn politikh ths apoch, loipon, gia toys metanastes thn exei kataqesei oxi aplws me dhlwseis alla me oloklhro nomo kai to gnwrizete. Nomos o opoios epaineqhke apo polles pleyres toy ellhnikoy koinoboylioy se para polla shmeia toy. En pash periptwsei xarakthristhke apo polloys enas apo toys pleon proodeytikoys nomoys. H proseggish pros toys metanastes -gi` ayto akribws kai ekana ayth thn parathrhsh peri toy ariqmoy nwritera- einai mia proseggish antistoixh me toys polites poy zoyn s` ayth th xwra kai exoyn thn ellhnikh iqageneia, thn ellhnikh yphkoothta. Den diaxwrizei h kybernhsh toys men apo toys de. Antistoixws eimai bebaios oti an apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs qa sas dwsoyn shmantikoys ariqmoys prosagwgwn, elegxwn kai ereynwn eite gia ypoqeseis tromokratias eite gia ypoqeseis alloy eidoys egklhmatwn. Allwste, h egxwria tromokratia, opws gnwrizete, apo Ellhnes apartisthke, Ellhnes einai ekeinoi oi opoioi dikasthkan kai briskontai ayth th stigmh stis fylakes Korydalloy, oi opoioi dikasthkan.

KYRITSHS: Dyo erwthseis. Sth mia pairnw aformh apo ayto poy eipate molis twra: Qewreite oti me ton oro tromokratia perigrafei kaneis epakribws kai ayto to opoio eseis lete egxwria tromokratia kai thn tromokratia typoy Al Kainta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An moy zhtate na kanw krish diaforetikhs proseggishs toy ``tromokratia A, B, G, D''@

KYRITSHS: Oxi, rwtaw an o oros einai toso eyrys wste na perigrafei kai na xwraei ola ayta ta@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti o oros tromokratia den xreiazetai peraiterw politikh dieykrinish apo emena. Einai safhs se oloys toys polites pagkosmiws.

KYRITSHS: Deyterh erwthsh: Qelw na rwthsw an h kybernhsh exei ejetasei, ejetazei h prokeitai na ejetasei tis kataggelies toy Proedroy toy LAOS, k. Karatzaferh, alla kai toy prwhn Proedroy ths Boylhs k. Kaklamanh, sxetika me drasthriothtes sth bash ths Soydas. Fylakh twn Amerikanwn endexomenws, paranomh metakomish kratoymenwn klp.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an exoyn ginei erwthseis. Nomizw oti sthn Eyrwboylh exei ginei mia erwthsh.

KYRITSHS: Kai o k. Kaklamanhs me synenteyjh toy sthn ELEYQEROTYPIA molis proxqes, thn Kyriakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei to periqwrio sto plaisio toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy na ginoyn erwthseis kai na doqoyn apanthseis.

KYRITSHS: Rwtw, an h kybernhsh ejetazei ti symbainei sth Soyda.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambaneste oti h kybernhsh me bash mia aoristh kai genikh kataggelia poy ekane o Proedros toy LAOS ``akoysa apo kapoion filo moy dhmosiografo eyrwpaikhs xwras oti mporei na exei ginei ayto'', den mporei na ejetasei tipota perissotero. An yparxei sygkekrimenh erwthsh sthn ellhnikh Boylh h sto Eyrwkoinoboylio, qa yparjei apanthsh.

KORAH: Sas qymizw oti o k. Koymoytsakos, o Ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, hdh exei ekdwsei mia anakoinwsh opoy leei oti ereynatai to qema. Pws ereynatai; Exei apanthsei ston k. Karatzaferh. Eseis mas lete twra oti den mporoyme na to ereynhsoyme giati einai aoristes oi kataggelies. Poio apo ta dyo ginetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw, loipon, ektimw oti oi kataggelies toy Proedroy toy LAOS, opws tis diabasa -ektos kai an eginan kai nees kataggelies- einai aoristes kataggelies. Efoson yparxei ereyna h opoia ginetai apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, akomh kalytera gia sas kai thn erwthsh toy k. Kyritsh. Qa yparxei kai syntoma apanthsh.

TSIODRAS: Na qymisw oti o k. Karatzaferhs eixe steilei epistolh ston k. Molybiath, ston k. Sphliwtopoylo kai ston Prwqypoyrgo kai me bash ayto eixe ekdoqei h anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn poy elege oti to qema ereynatai. Rwtw ean isxyei h ereyna giati exei diatypwqei me epishmo tropo, apo enan arxhgo kommatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika, afoy exei diatypwqei epishmws dhlwsh oti ereynatai.

MPOTSARAKOS: Kai oi krinontes krinontai eipate kai bebaiws prepei na apofeygontai oi apajiwtikes kriseis. Me ayta ta dyo dedomena, mporoyn oi kriseis aytes na einai dhmosies kai apo dhmosia proswpa; Dhladh, apo ekproswpoys qesmwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, dikaiwma sthn krish exei kaqe poliths se mia Dhmokratia.

GKOYTZANHS: Oi ybreis epitrepontai kyrie Ekproswpe;

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh sygkalyptei thn Eqnikh Epitroph Apasxolhshs mono kai mono gia na syzhthqoyn ta aithmata poy oysiastika qetei o SEB. Dhladh aithmata poy anatrepoyn tis syllogikes symbaseis, to basiko misqo kai ta wraria. Me th stash ths ayth h kybernhsh den rixnei to baros yper twn biomhxanwn; Den anoigei to dromo gia na ylopoihqoyn ta aithmata twn biomhxanwn kai toy SEB, ths ergodosias genikotera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sygkaleitai ayth h synanthsh, ean den me apata h mnhmh moy, wste na ginei mia eleyqerh syzhthsh opoy o kaqenas mporei na kataqesei tis apoceis toy. Proswpika den apodexomai kaqoloy th dikh sas proseggish. Den thn exw apodexqei kai sto parelqon se antistoixa qemata. Den htan liges oi fores poy o SEB opws kai alloi syndesmoi exoyn taxqei enantion ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

KYRITSHS: Otan metaferqhke to aerodromio apo to Ellhniko sta Spata, oloi legame gia to terastio mhtropolitiko parko poy qa dhmioyrghqei to opoio qa einai enas pneymonas gia thn Aqhna, oti olh ayth h diadikasia qa beltiwsei thn poiothta ths zwhs klp. Diabazoyme shmera oti to YPEXWDE skopeyei na dromologhsei thn tsimentopoihsh toy Ellhnikoy. Dhladh na yparjei ektetamenh oikistikh zwnh, na mhn yparjei parko, para mono kapoia qematika parka ta opoia qa einai se idiwtes, profanws qa plhrwnei kaneis gia na mpei. Qelw na rwthsw an ayto einai h anabaqmish ths poiothtas zwhs gia thn opoia miloyse h Nea Dhmokratia proeklogika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den dexomai oti ayto to opoio diabazete antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Den gnwrizw na yparxei kapoioy eidoys sxedio plhroys tsimentopoihshs -opws lete- kai to apokleiw na yparxei. Nomizw oti o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Soyflias, sto parelqon exei kanei kapoia paroysiash. Den thn exw proxeirh ayth thn wra. Fantazomai oti me aformh kai ta shmerina dhmosieymata qa doqei mia akomh apanthsh sta opoia sxolia ginontai gia dhqen plhrh tsimentopoihsh.

MOYRTHS: Se synexeia aytoy kyrie Ypoyrge. Dhmosiopoihqhke prin apo liges hmeres mia protash toy Proedroy ths Omospondias poy diorganwnei th Formula 1 kai eipe oti exei ginei protash sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai einai sto xeri toy k. Karamanlh na apofasisei an qa ginei pista gia th Formula 1 sto Ellhniko. Yparxei katarxhn tetoia protash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an yparxei sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy tetoia protash. Se kaqe periptwsh einai ena qema endiaferon men, eidiko de. Parakalw apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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