Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-01-11

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 11 Ianoyarioy 2006

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Zhtw syggnwmh gia thn kaqysterhsh, poy ofeiletai sto oti eprepe na perimenw na oloklhrwqei h syskech toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys gia th syntonismenh prospaqeia poy ginetai kai sth xwra mas -opws kai se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres- gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos, poy exei parathrhqei ta teleytaia xronia, me th griph twn pthnwn. Sas enhmerwnw oti exoyn hdh ginei dhlwseis ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy. Apo ta osa eipwqhkan qa epanalabw mono oti yparxei mia syntonismenh prospaqeia kai metajy twn synarmodiwn Ypoyrgeiwn sthn Ellada, alla kai synolika me tis ypoloipes xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ta opoia problhmata. Opws gnwrizete allwste, apo to perasmeno fqinopwro, h prospaqeia ayth eixe odhghsei se sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Metajy aytwn einai kai h apofash 745 toy 2004, thn opoia sas dieneima, eidika gi` ayto poy isxyei sto qema twn poylerikwn. Einai mia afiseta poy anartatai shmera se ola ta shmeia eisodoy ths xwras mas, se mikra h megala telwneia. H afiseta ayth exei anarthqei kai stis ypoloipes xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, kai sth Germania ej oswn gnwrizw. Epishs sas dieneima kai ena fylladio gia th griph twn pthnwn to opoio periexei stoixeia apo osa exoyn sygkentrwqei apo toys armodioys episthmones, apo ton perasmeno Oktwbrio kai Noembrio. Exei ektypwqei kata xiliades wste na moirastei stis perioxes ekeines poy briskontai sta synora kyriws me balkanikes xwres kai thn Toyrkia. Den xreiazetai na yparxei kanenos eidoys panikos. H xwra mas, se syntonismo me tis alles eyrwpaikes xwres, me tis ygeionomikes yphresies twn allwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn, parakoloyqei to fainomeno apo poly konta. Exei labei ola ta aparaithta metra. Xreiazetai megalyterh aysthrothta sta telwneia. Hdh o k. Mpezas exei epikoinwnhsei me toys perissoteroys dieyqyntes twn telwneiakwn staqmwn ths xwras mas. Epishs kai o genikos dieyqynths telwneiwn exei epikoinwnhsei mazi toys. Apo xqes exei stalei kai mia nea egkyklios, epanalhptikh palaioterwn egkykliwn, gia ta metra poy prepei na lambanontai stis pyles eisodoy. Ayta eixa na sas pw egw gi` ayto to shmantiko qema.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Hqela na rwthsw kyrie Ekproswpe, ean h qesh toy k. Markogiannakh sthn kybernhsh qa kalyfqei h an qa parameinei kenh mexri newteras.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tis armodiothtes toy Yfypoyrgoy analambanei o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajews.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na jerw, poia einai h gnwmh ths kybernhshs gia ton k. Lino kai an ayto to opoio ekrine th qesh toy k. Markogiannakh htan aytes kaqeaytes oi kriseis poy ekane h oti tis arnhqhke arxika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, exw kanei hdh mia dhlwsh apo xqes gia th qesh ths kybernhshs apenanti se zhthmata Dikaiosynhs, poy aforoyn dhladh sto qesmo ths Dikaiosynhs kai stoys leitoyrgoys. Paramenw se ayth th dhlwsh.

TSIODRAS: Sth deyterh erwthsh, sto an ayto poy ekrine th qesh toy k. Markogiannakh htan ta osa eipe gia ton k. Lino h to oti eipe arxika oti den ta eixe pei kai sth synexeia, opws fanhke apo to apospasma ths hxografhmenhs dhlwshs poy metedwse to MEGA oti den eixe pei alhqeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw thn paraithsh toy k. Markogiannakh peraiterw twn oswn exw pei hdh apo xqes to brady.

BLAXOS: Oktw h wra xqes to brady to qema me ton k. Markogiannakh kai ta osa eipe enantion toy k. Linoy, bghke stis thleoraseis. Oktw kai tria-tessera lepta, o k. Markogiannakhs eixe bgei sta kanalia kai eipe ``egw den to eipa''. Eixate epikoinwnhsei kai eseis mazi toy kai sas diabebaiwse oti den to eixe pei. Tria lepta argotera bghke to hxhtiko oti to eipe. Se mia kybernhsh politismenhs xwras, giati prepei na perimenei kaneis 4,5 wres gia na dexqei thn paraithsh toy Yfypoyrgoy o opoios dhmosiws ceydetai enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hmoyn, eimai kai qa eimai kata twn stratodikeiwn. H kybernhsh kai kaqe kybernhsh leitoyrgei me toys dikoys ths kanones kai to diko ths ryqmo. Se kamia periptwsh, kamia kybernhsh den ofeilei na leitoyrgei me thleoptikoys ryqmoys. Ayto einai doyleia ths thleorashs, twn dhmosiografwn poy ergazontai sthn thleorash kok. Ara, loipon, se o,ti afora to erwthma sas exw dwsei apanthsh. Se o,ti afora genikotera to qema, den protiqemai na pw tipote perissotero.

BLAXOS: Sas eipe kaneis gia thleoptikoys ryqmoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Siderh exete to logo.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, den moy apanthsate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sebasteite to dialogo se ayth thn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: Sas eipe kaneis gia thleoptikoys ryqmoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Siderh exete to logo.

BLAXOS: Ma, parafrazete thn erwthsh moy kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Siderh exete to logo.

BLAXOS: Parafrazete thn erwthsh moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Blaxo, den dinete to logo sto press room. Parakalw poly na to katanohsete. Exw apanthsei sthn erwthsh sas. Exei parei to logo allos synadelfos sas. Sebasteite ton allo synadelfo sas.

BLAXOS: To logo eseis ton dinete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokeitai, loipon, na fygw egw apo ayth thn aiqoysa. Qa dwsw apanthseis se oloys. Exete thn eykairia na janarwthsete. Ean allwste kapoios dei thn apomagnhtofwnhsh toy briefing, qa diapistwsei oti polles fores erwtatai kai janaerwtatai o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos apo ton idio dhmosiografo. As dwsoyme, loipon, th seira kai thn eykairia kai stoys ypoloipoys na rwthsoyn kai qa janarwthsete sth synexeia.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla otan parafrazete thn erwthsh enos dhmosiografoy, kyrie Ekproswpe, o dhmosiografos exei to dikaiwma na apanthsei se ayto to opoio kanete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aporriptw thn kritikh thn opoia kanete, dioti oydemia parafrash egine. Egw k. Blaxo erwtwmai kai sas apantw.

BLAXOS: Sas eipa egw gia thleoptiko xrono kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw poly na akoyte. Erwtwmai kai sas apantw. Loipon sas apanthsa. Mporei h apanthsh moy na mh sas aresei, mporei na mh sas ikanopoiei. Parakalw poly, opws den parembainw egw sth dikh sas doyleia, den qa parembete ki eseis sth dikh moy doyleia. Exete kaqe dikaiwma na krinete th doyleia moy. Einai allwste kai o rolos sas. Kai krinete thn eleyqera sto staqmo poy ergazeste. Edw, loipon, ypobalete erwthseis.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporei na einai akomch kai agenhs h frash toy k. Markogiannakh gia ton k. Lino. Apo pote omws einai epilhcimh mia ajiologikh krish se idiwtiko epipedo poy kanei kapoios me filoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth einai h erwthsh;

SIDERHS: Bebaiws, timwrhqhke gia kati poy ekane sxedon idiwtika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero gia thn ypoqesh ayth.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na sas rwthsw, pws xarakthrizei h kybernhsh to hxhtiko ntokoymento poy bghke xqes sth dhmosiothta kai emfanizei ton k. Markogiannakh, na apokalei ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy ``anohto kai agrammato''. Sas erwtw eyqews: Qewreite pws to ntokoymento ayto einai proion ypoklophs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw na anagnwsete thn anakoinwsh thn opoia ekana xqes to brady. Exw apanthsei hdh kai se erwthma toy k. Tsiodra, prin apo ligh wra se ayth thn aiqoysa. Exw, loipon, milhsei gia ton sxoliasmo, gia to qema ths Dikaiosynhs. Se o,ti afora to ean einai h oxi proion ypoklophs, ap` o,ti anegnwsa sth dhlwsh toy k. Markogiannakh -kai symfwnw apolytws mazi toy se ayto to shmeio- yparxei pragmati ena megalo erwthma, pws, ean einai mia idiwtikh synomilia, katagrafetai mystikw tw tropw. Den jerw ti leei h nomologia mas. Kalo einai na to anakalycoyme siga-siga.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Markogiannakhs meta apo ta cemata poy eipe dhmosiws sthn thleorash, giati oloi ta eidame, ypebale aytoboylws thn paraithsh toy h toy zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos na ypobalei thn paraithsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Yfypoyrgos paraithqhke kai ayto einai safes.

BLAXOS: O yfypoyrgos gia poio logo paraithqhke;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To anaferei sth dhlwsh toy.

BLAXOS: Giati bghke ena hxhtiko ntokoymento, to opoio diaceydei ton idio, o opoios dieceyde ton eayto toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete allh erwthsh, gia na moy tis ypoballete oles mazi;

BLAXOS: Oxi. Ayto gia thn kybernhsh den einai meizon hqiko qema; Dhladh, qelw na pw oti otan enas ypoyrgos, yfypoyrgos, prwhn eisaggeleas, o opoios den exei dwsei mexri twra kanena deigma kakhs symperiforas, bgainei dhmosiws kai leei cemata ston ellhniko lao. Taytoxrona, leei cemata kai ston Prwqypoyrgo dia mesoy toy ekproswpoy toy. Giati prepei na perimenei h kybernhsh na ypoballei thn paraithsh toy kai den ton qetei ektos kybernhshs h idia, me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, rwthqhka kai prohgoymenws kai apanthsa. Den qa pw tipote perissotero. Oson afora to prwto skelos, epishs exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Ti apanthsate; Den katalaba; Epeidh den katalaba thn apanthsh sto an eprepe na paraithqei apo ton k. Karamanlh h oxi, mporeite na moy thn janapeite; Endexomenws einai diko moy problhma poy den to katalabainw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy ypoballete to erwthma safws gia na to katalaboyme oloi;

BLAXOS: Giati mia kybernhsh perimenei na kanei apodekth thn paraithsh enos yfypoyrgoy poy ceydetai dhmosiws mprosta ston ellhniko lao, leei cemata ston Prwqypoyrgo poy ton rwta mesw toy ekproswpoy toy an to exei pei h oxi, giati prepei na perimenei na paraithqei o yfypoyrgos kai den ton paraitei o ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete kaqe dikaiwma -to exoyme pei polles fores, den xreiazetai na to pw egw allwste- na kanete thn opoiadhpote kritikh qelete sthn kybernhsh, th shmerinh, th xqesinh k.o.k. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw oti apanthsa sto erwthma sas. H kybernhsh kai h kaqe kybernhsh leitoyrgei me to diko ths tropo. An eseis den eiste ikanopoihmenos, exete dyo epiloges: Prwton, ws dhmosiografos na thn krinete. Deyteron, ws poliths na mhn thn epilejete. Kata synepeia, qewrw oti exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas dyo fores. Qa sas parakalesw na mhn me ypoballete sto martyrio na me rwthsete kai trith fora, giati den exei kanena nohma na apantw synexws sto idio erwthma. To exoyn katanohsei oloi. Kanete opoio sxolio qelete.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, eseis eiste ikanopoihmenos poy sas eipe cemata o k. Markogiannakhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ``dhladh'' einai symperasmatikh lejh. Exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Moy lete an me ikanopoieite h oxi. Egw den ikanopoioymai apo thn apanthsh. Eseis eiste ikanopoihmenos apo to oti sas eipe cemata o k. Markogiannakhs kai ara eseis enhmerwsate ton k. Karamanlh, ton Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras oti -ceydws oysiastika ton enhmerwsate basei ths plhroforias poy eixate apo ton k. Markogiannakh- einai mia alysida cematwn. Yparxei ikanopoihsh sthn kybernhsh dhladh gi` ayto to pragma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apantw. Exw apanthsei.

XIWTHS: Hqela mia dieykrinish sthn erwthsh poy sas ekana prohgoymenws: Eipate oti o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs qa askei sto ejhs ta kaqhkonta toy yfypoyrgoy. Otan lete ``sto ejhs'' ennoeite sto ejhs h proskaira; Qelw na pw, katargeite to yfypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs h aplws den kalyptete h qesh gia ena diasthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws qymaste, otan paraithqhke o ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai anelabe neos ypoyrgos, o opoios briskotan sth qesh toy yfypoyrgoy ews tote, den topoqethqhke enamish xrono meta yfypoyrgos.

XIWTHS: Me sygxwreite. Paraithqhke kai o k. Regkoyzas kai sth qesh toy mphke kapoios allos yfypoyrgos. Antilambaneste, loipon@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw, loipon, sas ekana mia anafora se mia allh qesh yfypoyrgoy sto ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs.

XIWTHS: Kai egw mia allh sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai den apantate sthn erwthsh moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den tiqetai qema plhrwshs ths qeshs toy yfypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs. Ta kaqhkonta toy yfypoyrgoy ta analambanei o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs.

XIWTHS: Katargeite to yfypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To erwthma sas apanthqhke.

TSIODRAS: Mhpws pame stadiaka sto mikro kai eyelikto sxhma poy exei pei o k. Karamanlhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epishs, qelw na sas pw oti den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy.

SOYGLERHS: Eiste poly konta ston Prwqypoyrgo. Qelw na sas rwthsw, meta kai apo ayto to kroysma toy k. Markogiannakh, ti enoxlei perissotero ton k. Prwqypoyrgo, h sobarofaneia, h aneparkeia, h afeleia, ti einai ekeino poy ton exei enoxlhsei perissotero se ola ayta ta kroysmata poy parathroyntai kata diasthmata apo toys ypoyrgoys, yfypoyrgoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den symfwnw me toys xarakthrismoys poy akoysthkan sthn erwthsh sas. Den apantw pote se erwthmata toy eidoys ``ti enoxlei'' h ti ``eyxaristei'' ton Prwqypoyrgo.

ARMENHS: H Enwsh Syntaktwn Nhswn, ebgale mia anakoinwsh me thn opoia espeyse na kalycei to dhmosiografo poy hxografhse, apo o,ti fainetai, antideontologika thn idiwtikh synomilia poy eixe o k. Markogiannakhs. Pws sxoliazete ayth thn anakoinwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den th sxoliazw.

KAKALHS: Oi profaneis logoi gia toys opoioys o k. Markogiannakhs kataferqhke kata toy eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy einai epeidh dietaje ereynes gia thn ypoqesh twn Pakistanwn kai thn ypoqesh toy Rwsoy drapeth. Ayto, poios eggyatai oti den ekfrazei synolika thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy kai ara kai th qesh ths kybernhshs, oti den einai kai qesh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn, epaneilhmmenws, dhlwseis oti epiqymei h kybernhsh, opws kai oloi oi Ellhnes polites, th dialeykansh apo th Dikaiosynh twn opoiwn kataggeliwn yparxoyn. Allwste, opws gnwrizete, h ypoqesh einai sth Dikaiosynh.

KAKALHS: Giati enoxloyntan to stelexos ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean yphrxe enoxlhsh kai eidika gi` ayto to qema, opws moy lete.

KAKALHS: Ma, thn ejefrase.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia symperasmatikh dikh sas krish, me aformh ayto poy egine.

KAKALHS: Oxi. Oi xarakthrismoi profanws den einai@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh, rwtate ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. To qema exei apanthqei. Sas epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai qema oysias. H kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos, apo tis ejhghseis poy edwse o k. Markogiannakhs ti apoch exei; Egine magnhtofwnhsh mias idiwtikhs toy synomilias kai yparxei edw kati antideontologiko sto tropo me ton opoio problhqhke to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo o,ti antilambanomai, rwtate kati diaforetiko apo ayto poy eipe o k. Kakalhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai. Teleiws diaforetiko. Lew@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti rwthqhka prohgoymenws apo thn k. Spyrakh.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi. Den nomizw na exei erwthqei. Lew oti htan antideontologikos o tropos symfwna me thn kybernhsh; Exei ginei katagrafh mias idiwtikhs synomilias toy yfypoyrgoy; Exei shmasia ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H frash poy xrhsimopoihsa, prin apo deka lepta, otan rwthqhka, htan ``tiqetai ena erwthma'', ``yparxei ena erwthma''.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei entash stis sxeseis ths kybernhshs me to dikastiko klado;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Se kamia periptwsh.

BLAXOS: Menw se ayto poy eipate, oti yparxei ena erwthma an mporei kapoios dhmosiografos na katagracei kai meta na dhmosiopoihsei ayth th synomilia poy exei se dhmosio xwro ena dhmosio proswpo san ton yfypoyrgo. Qelw na sas qymisw, oti prin apo ligo kairo, ws ekproswpos toy kommatos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, eixate kanei ena terastio politiko qema, kai swsta kata th dikh moy apoch, otan h kamera eixe katagracei th synomilia toy k. Shmith me ton k. Mpler, poy toy elege: ``steile moy ta marmara toy Parqenwna, gia na me bohqhseis proeklogika''. Tote den eixate ekfrasei ayth thn eyaisqhsia. Shmera omws thn ekfrazete. Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn erwthsh sas prosqesate th lejh ``dhmosiografos'', thn opoia oydepote anefera, prohgoymenws, apantwntas sthn k. Spyrakh. Eipa oti tiqetai ena erwthma, ean yparxei mia idiwtikh syzhthsh kai kapoios hxografei ayth th syzhthsh. Den gnwrizw kan an einai dhmosiografos, aytos poy exei kanei ayth thn istoria. En pash periptwsei eteqh ena zhthma. Eipa oti se ayto to zhthma symfwnw me th dhlwsh toy k. Markogiannakh. Den gnwrizw an einai dhmosiografos. Den gnwrizw an egine fanera h kryfa. Den gnwrizw ti leei h nomologia, ean epitrepetai h oxi apo toys nomoys toy topoy mas. Giati opws gnwrizete stoys nomoys ypokeintai oloi eite einai dhmosiografoi eite einai politikoi, eite einai giatroi, eite dikhgoroi k.o.k.. Ayto eipa kai epanalambanw, xwris peraiterw sxolia.

BLAXOS: Ti diaferei ayto apo...

ROYSOPOYLOS: An hmaste oi dyo mas se ena dwmatio kai me hxografeite enw synomiloyme idiwtikws, antilambaneste oti efoson den moy to exete pei, tiqetai ena zhthma deontologias.

BLAXOS: Den htan oi dyo toys. Htan kai alloi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh, den qa anaferw tipote perissotero, apo to oti tiqetai pragmatika ena erwthma, ean ayth htan mia idiwtikh syzhthsh kai ean sthn idiwtikh syzhthsh kapoios@

BLAXOS: Koph pitas den htan kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eilikrina, den gnwrizw.

BLAXOS: Tote ti rwtate ton k. Markogiannakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lew oti tiqetai edw ena erwthma. Menw se ayto to erwthma.

BLAXOS: Apo xqes to brady, ti rwtate ton k. Markogiannakh, den dieykrinisate aytes tis apories sas, gia na jerete ti akribws symbainei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei dhlwsh sthn opoia anaferei oti miloyse se idiwtikh syzhthsh me kommatikoys toy filoys.

BLAXOS: Kai o k. Shmiths, idiwtika miloyse me ton k. Mpler, kata th logikh ayth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sth Synodo Koryfhs o tote Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras@

BLAXOS: Htan se mia dejiwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: En pash periptwsei kanete laqos. O tote Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras synomiloyse me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths M. Bretanias dhmosiws, ligo prin thn enarjh ths Synodoy Koryfhs. Parakalw otan pate sto grafeio sas na anazhthsete ekeines tis eikones kai qa diapistwsete oti exw apolyto dikio.

SIDERHS: Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti ektos apo ton k. Palaiokrassa, oloi oi alloi apopemfqhkan me bash thleoptikes apokalyceis; Eipate oti den leitoyrgeite se thleoptiko xrono. Den syreste pisw apo tis thleoraseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas aposyndew thn ypoqesh. Exw hdh apanthsei genikws sto qema. Se o,ti afora to sygkekrimeno qema, ean den me apata h mnhmh moy kai h thleorash akoma milhse gia dhmosieyma efhmeridas.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno, o k. Markogiannakhs katalhgei sth xqesinh toy dhlwsh, `` epifylassomai twn nomimwn dikaiwmatwn moy'', se sxesh me thn katagrafh ths syzhthshs. Dhladh epifylassetai na strafei dikastika kai ekeinos enantion twn dhmosiografwn kai twn MME poy to metedwsan. O k. Regkoyzas meta thn paraithsh-apopomph toy kai ekeinos strafhke enantion twn dhmosiografwn. O k. Boylgarakhs shmera sth Boylh, strafhke enantion twn dhmosiografwn. O k. Papalhgoyras epishs. Sygnwmh, alla dhmioyrgeitai ena klima arnhtiko gia mas. Den mporoyme na kanoyme th doyleia mas sto telos-telos. Mporoyme na katagrafoyme; Den mporoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to blepw ayto poy anaferete. Nomizw oti kanete th doyleia sas kai thn kanete se ena periballon apolyths eleyqerias. Mhn prospaqeite na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis ek toy mh ontws.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, den dhmioyrgw entypwseis@(den akoygetai)....tis qeseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn enantion twn dhmosiografwn kai twn MME.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh yparxei sebasmos sthn anejarthsia toy Typoy, sthn eleyqeria toy Typoy, sthn eleyqeria toy dhmosiografikoy epaggelmatos. Apo thn allh pleyra yparxoyn kai oi nomoi. Ean kapoios dhladh qelhsei, epifylassomenos pantos nomimoy dikaiwmatos toy na prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh efoson qigetai, fantazomai oti eseis ws dhmosiografos, toy dinete ayto to dikaiwma. Qelw na pw dhladh, oti den toy stereite to dikaiwma na prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh. Dikaiwma to opoio exoyn oloi oi polites apantaxoy toy kosmoy se kaqe Koinoboyleytikh Dhmokratia. Den pisteyw oti exete allh apoch, alla synagetai ligo perierga apo thn erwthsh kai opws diatypwqhke. An exete allh apoch, parakalw peite to. O kaqe poliths eite einai dhmosiografos, eite politikos, eite epaggelmatias, giatros, dikhgoros k.o.k., exei dikaiwma na prosfeygei sth Dikaiosynh efoson qewrei oti qigetai h adikeitai. Mhn toy stereite ayto to dikaiwma.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa moy epitrecete na apanthsw epeidh moy kanate erwthma to opoio den einai rhtoriko, giati diaforetika qa dhmioyrghqei h entypwsh oti symfwnw. H apoch moy einai oti otan den exoyme na kanoyme me idiwtikes ypoqeseis kai idiwtikes stigmes toy opoioydhpote politikoy proswpoy orqws katagrafontai kai orqws metadidontai oi dhmosies dhlwseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na pw, oti allo qesate ws qema prohgoymenws. Prohgoymenws qesate to zhthma oti den mporeite na kanete th doyleia sas, dioti kapoia politika proswpa, eipan oti qa prosfygoyn sth Dikaiosynh. Kai lew oti elpizw na mhn yparxei kanenos eidoys yponoia sthn erwthsh sas, oti den mporoyn kapoioi polites na prosfygoyn sth Dikaiosynh, efoson qewroyn oti qigontai. Dioti se mia Dhmokratia, oi polites dikaioyntai na prosfygoyn sth Dikaiosynh.

GKOYTZANHS: Allo oi politikoi kai allo oi polites.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete megalo laqos.

GKOYTZANHS: Apoch moy einai. Den einai anagkh na einai swsth h laqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti shmainei, allo oi politikoi kai allo oi polites; Dhladh oi politikoi den dikaioyntai na prosfygoyn sth Dikaiosynh an qewrhsoyn oti qigetai h timh toys, h ypolhch toys;

GKOYTZANHS: Orismena zhthmata einai politika, oxi nomika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, kanete megalo laqos. Den yparxei Dhmokratia dyo taxythtwn. H Dhmokratia einai mias taxythtas. Sth Dhmokratia oloi oi polites exoyn ta idia dikaiwmata. Kaneis den exei perissotera dikaiwmata.

POYLIDOY: Kalyptontai apo asylia.

BLAXOS: Ean egw prosfygw enantion enos politikoy, o politikos qa pei exw boyleytikh asylia. Den mporw na prosfygw enantion politikoy. To jerete poly kala.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporei kapoios na prosfygei. Mporei na kanei agwgh, na kanei mhnysh, yparxoyn dhladh ta endika mesa. H Boylh apofasizei gia thn arsh ths asylias. En pash periptwsei oydeis einai isobios boyleyths, opws gnwrizete.

SPYRAKH: Protiqetai h xwra mas na yioqethsei praktikes analoges me aytes ths Germanias, poy exei megalo ariqmo epistrofhs Moysoylmanwn metanastwn apo thn Toyrkia sth Germania, se sxesh me thn prostasia ths apo thn griph twn pthnwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth h afiseta poy exete sta xeria sas, h opoia qa anarthqei shmera se ola ta Telwneia, se oles tis eisodoys ths xwras apo tis balkanikes xwres kai apo thn Toyrkia, exei thn ennoia ths ypomnhshs ths odhgias ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ypomnhsh, h opoia yparxei hdh kai sth Germania, opws epishmanqhke kai nwritera. Tipota perissotero den protiqetai na kanei h xwra mas, apo ayto poy kanoyn oles oi alles eyrwpaikes xwres. Ara, loipon, menoyme stis odhgies ths E.E., poy kalyptoyn apolytws to zhthma sthn prospaqeia prolhchs toy problhmatos, etsi wste na mhn ginei ``eisagwgh'' toy problhmatos sthn E.E. mesw ths opoiasdhpote xwras, kai fysika kai ths dikhs mas.

XIWTHS: Gnwrizete ean tis teleytaies hmeres synanthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos me ton yfypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Balhnakh; Kai ean synanthqhke gnwrizete to qema ths syzhthshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn anakoinwseis gia tis synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O Prwqypoyrgos synantatai kai syzhta me toys ypoyrgoys kai yfypoyrgoys polles fores. Allote anakoinwnontai ta ranteboy, allote oxi. Ara, loipon, den apantw pote gia epimeroys ranteboy, ean exoyn ginei, efoson den exoyn anakoinwqei.

XIWTHS: Ta ranteboy toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ta kybernhtika stelexh den anakoinwnontai panta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto eipa ki egw.

XIWTHS: Nai, alla epeidh yparxei ena eidiko endiaferon gia ton k. Balhnakh, sto opoio den qa hqela na epektaqw, qelw aplws, ean den to gnwrizete, na to ereynhsete kai na mas peite ean tis prohgoymenes hmeres synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa ereynhsw tipota. Sas apanthsa hdh. Kapoia ranteboy anakoinwnontai, kapoia den anakoinwnontai. Einai pagia praktikh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn opoia gnwrizete edw kai poly kairo.

XIWTHS: Antilambaneste th barythta aytoy poy lete; Na mhn anakoinwnontai@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai thn parathrhsh kai nomizw oti mallon sas jefyge, apo to erkos twn odontwn. Ti ennoeite; Ean antilambanomai thn barythta twn legomenwn moy; Fysika kai antilambanomai th barythta twn legomenwn moy, apo thn prwth hmera poy mphka se ayth thn aiqoysa.

XIWTHS: Oxi, den exei kanena yponooymeno proswpiko. Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa to kanw, paroti den hqela na to kanw: Yparxei enas oloklhros qorybos gia to an synanthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Balhnakh gia ena sygkekrimeno qema, poy qa apofygw estw kai na to sxoliasw. Exei, omws, th shmasia toy ean synanthqhke h oxi. Ayto ennow, barythta. Den eixe kati proswpiko enantion sas h anafora moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw poly na peite eyqews ean ypainisseste kati.

XIWTHS: Ean o Prwqypoyrgos qewrei oti yparxei kapoio politiko problhma se baros toy k. Balhnakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena apolytws politiko problhma se baros toy k. Balhnakh.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qewrei h kybernhsh oti ta xqesina symbanta poy odhghsan sthn paraithsh toy yfypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, apoteloyn proionta ths leitoyrgias ths se exqriko epikoinwniako periballon;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh o,ti qewrei to exei pei hdh. To qema exei ejantlhqei. Mhn koyrazeste allo, den prokeitai na apanthsw se kamia allh erwthsh epi toy qematos.

SIDERHS: Mia allh erwthsh isws aploikh: Xqes oi sygkoinwniologoi sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite aplh erwthsh. Erwthseis endexomenws ``aploikes'' den kanete.

SIDERHS: Den einai ojeia politikh erwthsh. Xqes, oi sygkoinwniologoi eipan oti sto kentro ths Aqhnas staqmeyoyn paranoma gyrw sta 35.000 aytokinhta kaqe hmera. Epeidh exei sxesh me thn poiothta zwhs mas, ti kanei h Astynomia gi ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei prospaqeia apo thn Troxaia na pataxqei h paranomh staqmeysh. Se ayto ofeiloyme oloi na syneisferoyme, bohqwntas wste kai to ergo ths Troxaias na ginetai swstotera, ki emeis oi idioi na mhn ginomaste meros toy problhmatos. Ki edw qa hqela na kanw mia ekklhsh-paraklhsh se oloys toys Aqhnaioys polites: Na ejyphretoyn toys sympolites toys dioti -opws eipate eseis- o ariqmos 35.000 akoygetai megalos, einai mikros se sxesh me to synolo toy ariqmoy twn aytokinhtwn sthn Aqhna kai bebaiws me ton plhqysmo@

SIDERHS: Oi eidikoi to eipan, den to lew egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @Kai einai krima enas toso mikros ariqmos na dhmioyrgei problhmata sthn pleiochfia twn Aqhnaiwn politwn.

BLAXOS: Ti metra prostasias exei parei o k. Karamanlhs gia to tajidi poy qa paei sthn Kina, se sxesh me ayto poy mas moirasate, kai afora th noso twn pthnwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena qema me to allo. Den katalabainw ti ennoeite.

BLAXOS: Exete moirasei edw ena fylladio kai lete na prosexoyme gia diafora krath, metajy aytwn kai h Kina.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabaste parakalw olh thn anakoinwsh, prin kanete thn erwthsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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