Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-01-10

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Aqhna, 10 Ianoyarioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh xronia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Sto Syntagma den qa qigei to ekklhsiastiko kai oi sxeseis Ekklhsias-kratoys;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos eqese to plaisio ths syntagmatikhs metarryqmishs, poy einai h shmantikoterh metarryqmistikh parembash poy kanei h nea diakybernhsh, kata thn omilia toy thn teleytaia hmera ths syzhthshs toy proypologismoy sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se sygkekrimena qemata. Qa exei thn eykairia thn erxomenh Trith, kata th synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, na anaferqei analytikotera sta qemata poy h kybernhsh epiqymei na perilhfqoyn sthn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos.

SIDERHS: Fobaste mhpws sas aforisei chfoqhrikws h Dejia toy Kyrioy;

ANTWNAROS: Sxolia mporeite na kanete sta Mesa opoy ergazeste.

BLAXOS: Einai qema epiqymias ths kybernhshs ti qa prepei na anaqewrhqei h anagkh ths xwras na anaqewrhqoyn orismena arqra toy Syntagmatos poy endexomenws dhmioyrgoyn problhmata sthn omalh leitoyrgia toy Politeymatos;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh analambanei th megalh prwtoboylia ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos me to aisqhma eyqynhs poy th diakrinei.

BLAXOS: H megalh metarryqmistikh prwtoboylia den ejartatai apo to periexomeno ths anaqewrhshs prin apo thn kinhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete kai qa deite.

SARANTAKOS: Elhfqh apofash gia to poios qa einai o kentrikos eishghths apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos; Qa einai ypoyrgos, qa einai boyleyths;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe xqes o k. Roysopoylos se aythn edw thn aiqoysa. Den yparxei kamia biasynh.

SARANTAKOS: Qa to anakoinwsei o k. Karamanlhs mhpws sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Qa anakoinwqei otan erqei h wra.

TSIODRAS: Me dedomeno oti ta kroysmata ths nosoy twn pthnwn exoyn ftasei sthn Toyrkia, qa hqela na jerw ean apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh exoyn lhfqei kapoia metra, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn, an emfanistoyn, kroysmata sthn Ellada.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, yparxei ena sxedio drashs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, to opoio exoyn synapofasisei apo to fqinopwro toy 2004 oles oi xwres ths Enwshs kai fysika kai h Ellada. Sta plaisia aytoy toy sxedioy exoyn lhfqei egkairws ola ta problepomena metra. Ayth th stigmh, den krinetai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh oti yparxei anagkh gia epibolh h gia efarmogh newn metrwn. Yparxei plhrhs kai apolytos syntonismos twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgeiwn, kai o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai gia ta metra poy lambanontai sta plaisia aytoy toy sxedioy drashs. Qa anaferw endeiktika orismena apo ta lambanomena metra: Yparxei h ypoxrewsh na apolymainontai -kai ayto ginetai- ta forthga poy eiserxontai apo th geitonikh xwra sthn Ellada. Yparxei h apagoreysh ths eisagwghs pthnotrofikwn eidwn apo sygkekrimenes xwres. Epishs yparxei gia paradeigma ypoxrewsh na menoyn ta poylerika se kleistoys xwroys.

Polla apo ayta ta metra ta epistatoyn oi nomarxiakes aytodioikhseis, oi opoies exoyn thn eyqynh kai thn armodiothta gia thn efarmogh toys. Gia perissoteres plhrofories sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite sta synarmodia ypoyrgeia, poy einai to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias.

POYLIDOY: To 2005, oxi to 2004.

ANTWNAROS: Apo ta stoixeia poy exw, einai apo to fqinopwro toy 2004.

BLAXOS: Exei apagoreytei h eisagwgh pthnwn apo thn Toyrkia; Kai deyteron, kanate systash se osoys tajideyoyn pros thn Toyrkia na einai prosektikoi;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, yparxei apagoreysh eisagwghs poylerikwn kai proiontwn poy proerxontai apo thn pthnotrofia apo sygkekrimenes xwres. Ayth h apagoreysh ejakoloyqei na isxyei. Exw ena katalogo drasewn poy qa mporoysa endexomenws argotera na sas anaferw.

BLAXOS: H Toyrkia einai mesa;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, nai. Eisagwgika allwste sas eipa oti apagoreyetai h eisagwgh eidwn pthnotrofias apo sygkekrimenes xwres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na moy peite ean telika yparxei ayth h epistolh toy k. Papazaxoy pros ton k. Soyflia kai an exei steilei kai allh ekqesh-epistolh poy na epishmainei oti se dyo shmeia ths xwras qa ginoyn pali seismoi.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy dwsame xqes: Opws mas diabebaiwse o ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Soyflias, den yparxei epistolh toy k. Papazaxoy pros ton ypoyrgo kai ton yfypoyrgo. Den gnwrizw pros ta poy apeyqynei o k. Papazaxos tis ekqeseis toy. Oi ekqeseis twn seismologwn apoteloyn apaygasma episthmonikhs ereynas. Me rwthsate gia sygkekrimenh epistolh kai sas epanalambanw oti tetoia epistolh pros toys ypoyrgoys den yparxei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai sas rwthsa kai an yparxei kapoia allh ekqesh pros to YPEXWDE, pros thn kybernhsh, poy na thn enhmerwnei -giati den einai mono to YPEXWDE einai kai alloi foreis- oti qa ginoyn se dyo akoma shmeia ths xwras seismoi.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw poy exei apeyqynqei o k. Papazaxos. Pantws, oxi ston ypoyrgo kai ton yfypoyrgo PEXWDE.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh den gnwrizei tipota.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

POYLIDOY: O k. Papazaxos, xqes sto MEGA, eipe oti ekane epaneilhmmenes kroyseis sto grafeio toy k. Soyflia gia kapoio ranteboy mazi toy kai den egine apodektos kai eipe xarakthristika oti oi grammatines toy me eirwneyontai. Ayto einai se gnwsh sas; Giati profanws den phre epistolh, afoy den dexqhke na ton dei.

ANTWNAROS: Mhn katalhgete se profanh poy den einai profanh. Prwton, oi epistoles mporoyn na apostaloyn me para polloys tropoys. Deyteron, den eimai se qesh na sas dwsw plhrofories gia ta ranteboy poy kanei enas ypoyrgos. To qema twn seismwn einai ena qema poy prepei oloi mas na proseggisoyme me idiaiterh prosoxh -kai nomizw oi perissoteroi to kanoyn- me idiaitero aisqhma eyqynhs. As afhsoyme toys episthmones na kanoyn tis episthmonikes toys ereynes. Opws gnwrizete, prognwsh seismwn den exei ginei poyqena ston kosmo.

POYLIDOY: Dyo pragmata: To ena, einai profanws ena episthmoniko eggrafo ayths ths eyaisqhsias, den hqele na to steilei me to taxydromeio o k. Papazaxos, na to pw laika. Hqele na to dwsei me proswpikh epafh me ton ypoyrgo kai ayto htan to swsto. To deytero, einai oti o k. Papazaxos yposthrizei oti o idios den kanei braxyproqesmes probleceis, alla mesoproqesmes kai apeyqynetai sthn Politeia. Dhladh, leei poies perioxes einai oi pleon eyaisqhtes se epikeimenoys seismoys, wste na analhfqei ena sxedio drashs apo tis nomarxies, na ginei enhmerwsh toy koinoy kai na lhfqoyn kapoia metra. Ayta ta metra se aytes tis perioxes poy eixe entopisei o k. Papazaxos eixan lhfqei kai qa exoyn lhfqei gia tis epomenes;

ANTWNAROS: Poly perissotero, opws lete eseis, ean oi probleceis h oi prognwseis einai mesoproqesmes h makroproqesmes, qa eprepe oi dhlwseis poy ginontai apo toys diaforoys episthmones na einai prosektikes. Giati, opws gnwrizete, h Politeia merimna se diarkeia kai se baqos xronoy gia thn prostasia twn politwn ths kai th lhch olwn ekeinwn twn metrwn poy apaitoyntai se mia perioxh me entonh seismikothta, opws einai h Ellada, wste na perioristoyn oi zhmies poy qa proklhqoyn endexomenws apo megaloys seismoys.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes akoysame, oxi enan, alla arketoys seismologoys se ekpomph toy ANT-1 to brady, poy eipan, malista kai sygkekrimenes perioxes opws ta Ionia, Dytikh Ellada kai skiagrafhsan kata kapoio tropo poies mporei na einai oi epomenes piqanes perioxes poy qa dwsoyn megaloys seismoys. Gi` aytes tis sygkekrimenes perioxes hdh exoyn lhfqei metra h qa lhfqoyn kapoia perissotera, giati den mporei kaneis na jerei, opws eipate kai eseis, ean braxyproqesma mporei na yparxei xtyphma toy egkeladoy.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, h Politeia, opws sas eipa, lambanei se baqos xronoy ola ekeina ta metra ta opoia apaitoyntai, wste na prostateyqoyn oi polites apo toys seismoys poy endexomenws qa symboyn ston elladiko xwro. H Ellada -kai ayto den prepei na to jexname kaqoloy kai na mhn nomizoyme oti to anakalycame xqes h shmera- einai mia xwra ychlhs seismikothtas. Oloi mas exoyme dei, exoyme zhsei, seismikes donhseis kai se astika kentra kai alloy. Efarmozetai sto akeraio h ypoxrewsh ths Politeias na qwrakizei to periballon, th xwra, alla kai na enhmerwnei toys polites me ola ta mesa poy exei sth diaqesh ths, wste se periptwsh kindynoy oi polites na exoyn thn kalyterh dynath prostasia.

IWANNOY: Apantate genika gia olh thn Ellada. Egw lew gia aytes tis sygkekrimenes perioxes, opws einai to Ionio kai h Dytikh Ellada, etsi opws exei entopistei apo toys perissoteroys seismologoys. Ginontai kapoioi idiaiteroi elegxoi sta sxoleia, sta kthria, ayto ennow, peran ths genikhs enhmerwshs.

ANTWNAROS: Oi perioxes ychlhs seismikothtas den anakalyfqhkan xqes. Oi perioxes aytes einai gnwstes edw kai polla xronia, ws perioxes ychlhs seismikothtas, stis opoies, opws gnwrizete, ginontai synexws ereynes kai elegxoi. Aytes tis hmeres, meta ton proxqesino seismo, ginontai oi elegxoi poy apaitoyntai sta kthria, wste na lhfqoyn ola ta aparaithta metra. Bebaiws kai pragmatopoioyntai ayjhmenoi elegxoi.

MOYRTHS: Par` osa mas eipate eseis gia thn enhmerwsh ths kybernhshs apo thn ekqesh Papazaxoy, o k. Janqopoylos xqes se radiothleoptikes ekpompes emfanisthke enhmeros ths ekqesews Papazaxoy kai malista eipe oti elhfqhsan metra eidika gia ta Kyqhra gia ta sxolika kthria. Kai deyteron, ean ena episthmoniko ergasthrio seismologias enhmerwsei ton OASP, h kybernhsh qewrei oti h politeia einai enhmerh;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn organismoi, poy einai armodioi gia na enhmerwqoyn. Meletoyn tis ekqeseis, tis protaseis poy toys ypoballontai, tis krinoyn, topoqetoyntai kai endexomenws, katopin, enhmerwnoyn thn politikh hgesia.

MOYRTHS: Ayto shmainei oti o OASP den enhmerwse thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

SARANTAKOS: Na epanelqw sto qema twn dhlwsewn toy k. Papazaxoy. Shmera epanerxetai me mia synenteyjh toy sto ``EQNOS'' kai mila gia dyo sygkekrimenes perioxes kai gia mia ekqesh thn opoia eixe steilei sto OASP. To erwthma moy einai, ean gnwrizete, ean o OASP exei enhmerwsei to ypoyrgeio PEXWDE kai ean to ypoyrgeio exei apofasisei kapoia metra gia thn sygkekrimenh ekqesh milw panta, poy dhmosiopoihse shmera o k. Papazaxos sto ``EQNOS''.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy. Allwste, aytes tis hmeres ginontai para polles dhlwseis seismologwn.

BLAXOS: Sas akoysa prin na lete oti h politeia exei labei h lambanei metra gia thn prostasia twn politwn apo synepeies poy mporei na prokycoyn apo seismikh donhsh. Mhpws mporeite na moy peite ti exei kanei h politeia gia na prostatecei toys polites se mia apo tis pio pyknokatoikhmenes perioxes toy kosmoy, thn Kycelh, ean symbei kati strabo;

ANTWNAROS: Epanerxomai gia mia akomh fora, na sas pw, oti h politeia exei labei edw kai para polla xronia -sas milw gia baqos xronoy- ola ekeina ta metra poy apaitoyntai, wste na prostateyqoyn oi polites kai stis pyknokatoikhmenes perioxes, opws ayth poy anaferate. Allwste, h Aqhna einai sto synolo ths mia pyknokatoikhmenh perioxh. Gnwrizete oti meta apo seismoys poy eginan se diafores xronikes periodoys ths metapolemikhs Elladas, allajan poly, epi ta beltiw, oi oroi kataskeywn dhmosiwn kai idiwtikwn kthriwn. Ginetai enhmerwsh twn politwn kai frontizoyme etsi wste stoys seismoys poy ginontai se mia xwra seismogenh, opws einai h Ellada, na periorisoyme ws politeia ton ariqmo twn endexomenwn apwleiwn me ola ayta ta metra ths qesmikhs, alla kai oysiastikhs qwrakishs.

BLAXOS: Gia thn Kycelh den moy apanthsate.

ANTWNAROS: H Kycelh einai kommati ths pyknokatoikhmenhs perioxhs poy legetai Aqhna.

BLAXOS: Me ``gerasmenh'' polykatoikia.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw ti proteinete; Ean exete na kanete protaseis, na tis kanete ekei poy doyleyete. Ta kthria ths Aqhnas, qa sas qymisw oti sto seismo toy 1999, krathsan. Den jerw ti ypainisseste me tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Ekproswpoi ths koinothtas twn Pakistanwn sth xwra mas kataggelloyn oti toys askoyntai pieseis kai ekbiasmoi, etsi wste na allajoyn tis arxikes kataqeseis toys, sxetika me tis syllhceis kai tis apagwges toys. H kybernhsh skopeyei na kanei kati gia na prostatecei aytoys toys adynamoys anqrwpoys h qa perimenei mexri na allajoyn oloi tis kataqeseis toys;

ANTWNAROS: Oi en logw Pakistanoi exoyn isxyristei para polla.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa apeleyqerwqei telika to wrario twn trapezwn; Qa anoigoyn kai tis Kyriakes;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn, kat` arxas, osa eipe xqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Diabaste ta prosektika. Osa eipe -kai opws ta eipe- isxyoyn sto akeraio.

SIDERHS: H tameiakh mas stenothta, twn kataqetwn, lete na antimetwpistei me to an qa anoigoyn tis Kyriakes;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti ennoeite.

SIDERHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs to afhse anoixto to endexomeno.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw. Kyrie Siderh sas syllambanw -lypamai poy to lew- gia mia akomh fora na mhn exete diabasei akribws tis apanthseis poy edwse o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Kai oxi, parakalw, apo efhmerida.

SIDERHS: Apo efhmerida qa to diabaza.

ANTWNAROS: Exete prosbash omws, san dhmosiografos, sto epishmo keimeno.

SIDERHS: Qa epanelqoyme ayrio.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

BLAXOS: An afairesoyme ton Alogoskoyfh, eseis san kybernhsh eiste yper toy anoigmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn sto akeraio osa eipe, xqes, o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

MOYRTHS: Xqes o ypoyrgos Oikonomias anaferqhke sto Xrhmatisthrio, ypenqymise thn periodo 1999-2000 gia thn tote ``foyska'' kai proeidopoihse toys ependytes. Ektima h kybernhsh oti yparxoyn shmera sto Xrhmatisthrio xarakthristika mias neas ``foyskas'';

ANTWNAROS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs, apodokimase tis praktikes ypoyrgwn twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK, poy synexws epenebainan me dhlwseis toys tote sto Xrhmatisthrio.

KAKALHS: Jenizei h apanthsh poy dwsate prohgoymenws, sthn erwthsh gia toys Pakistanoys. O aforismos sas peri isxyrismwn exei mia genikh isxy, poy yponomeyei genikotera kaqe dhlwsh poy kanoyn kai kataggelia poy proerxetai ek meroys twn Pakistanwn. Mia yponomeysh h opoia den armozei se Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo.

ANTWNAROS: Den ekana genikh topoqethsh. Isxyoyn gia thn kybernhsh oi dhlwseis poy exoyme kanei gia to sygkekrimeno qema twn Pakistanwn.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla erxeste shmera kai lete oti prokeitai genika peri isxyrismwn me ena aforistiko tropo gia ola osa lene oi Pakistanoi, osa proerxontai apo th meria toys.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, opws sas eipe kai o k. Roysopoylos xqes, isxyoyn oi dhlwseis poy exoyme kanei egw proswpika se ayth thn aiqoysa, alla kai oi ypoyrgoi k.k. Boylgarakhs kai Papalhgoyras. Ayrio stis erwthseis poy qa teqoyn sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs qa doqoyn kai oi katallhles apanthseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh eipate oti ``exoyn isxyristei para polla oi Pakistanoi'', ayth htan akribws h apanthsh sas, ayto moiazei me mia ek prooimioy amfisbhthsh ths ajiopistias twn dhlwsewn twn Pakistanwn, otan einai en ejelijei h dikastikh ereyna. Kai ayto apo ton epishmo Ekproswpo ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei ej` arxhs. Den jerw poso sas bohqaei h mnhmh sas. Oi dhlwseis ths kybernhshs, opws sas eipame kai xqes kai sas epanalambanw kai shmera, isxyoyn.

SARANTAKOS: Ayrio sth synanthsh ths k. Paparhga me ton k. Karamanlh, poio qa einai to antikeimeno;

ANTWNAROS: H syntagmatikh metarryqmish.

SARANTAKOS: Mono; Dioti exw thn eikona oti h k. Paparhga, qa qesei kai ena qema me ena antikommoynistiko mnhmonio klp. Qa einai parempipton qema h Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos;

ANTWNAROS: To qema ths syzhthshs einai h syntagmatikh metarryqmish. Den mporei bebaiws kaneis na afairesei apo enan arxhgo koinoboyleytikoy kommatos to dikaiwma na qesei se mia syzhthsh poy qa exei me ton Prwqypoyrgo, ena qema poy qa prokrinei o idios.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, gia thn apokatastash ths tajhs, th synanthsh thn exei zhthsei h Grammateas toy KKE, gia to sygkekrimeno qema, gia to antikommoynistiko mnhmonio.

ANTWNAROS: Egw, omws, jerete sas milw ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den milw ek meroys alloy kommatos. H syzhthsh thn opoia qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos me thn k. Paparhga, qa afora kata kyrio kai basiko logo th syntagmatikh metarryqmish. Opws allwste qa symbei kai me th synanthsh poy qa exei thn epomenh ebdomada me ton k. Papandreoy.

BLAXOS: Qelw na qesw qema ajiopistias-plhroforhshs. Plhroforhqhkame ek twn ysterwn, oti sth synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Alabano, syzhthqhke kai to qema ths anaqewrhshs. Ekeinh thn hmera, kaneis den mas to eipe ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy isxyei einai ayto poy sas eipe xqes o k. Roysopoylos se ayth thn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: Entajei, exete to dikaiwma na mas plhroforeite, opws eseis krinete. Alla kai emeis prepei na jeroyme ean mas lete oloklhrh thn alhqeia h th mish alhqeia.

ANTWNAROS: Den me exete ``syllabei'' pote na sas paraplanw.

BLAXOS: Den lew esas sygkekrimena. Na mas paraplaneite. Mas lete omws th mish alhqeia. Allo h paraplanhsh kai allo h mish alhqeia.

ANTWNAROS: Htan fysiko, efoson eixe mesolabhsei h prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia th syntagmatikh metarryqmish, na ekmetalleyqoyn kai oi dyo politikoi arxhgoi thn eykairia wste na syzhthsoyn kai th syntagmatikh metarryqmish.

BLAXOS: Fysiko, fysikotato. Alla einai kai fysiko, otan h kybernhsh kanei mia enhmerwsh gia to ti syzhtoyn dyo politikoi arxhgoi, na leei olh thn alhqeia. Giati ayto qeloyme san polites.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eyxaristw gia tis topoqethseis sas.

Sas eyxaristw.

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