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Aqhna, 9 Ianoyarioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete. Kalh xronia kai Xronia Polla.

O Prwqypoyrgos episkefthke prin apo ligh wra ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, prokeimenoy na ton enhmerwsei sxetika me thn prwtoboylia ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias sth Boylh, na jekinhsei h diadikasia, wste h epomenh Boylh na einai anaqewrhtikh. H anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos apotelei th megalyterh qesmikh prwtoboylia ths neas diakybernhshs. Apotelei de apaithsh ths koinwnias, me stoxo thn apeleyqerwsh ths Paideias, th diasfalish ths diafaneias kai thn prostasia toy periballontos. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, xreiazetai na diejaxqei eyrys dialogos me tis politikes dynameis ths xwras, toys koinwnikoys foreis kai thn akadhmaikh koinothta.

O Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias sygkalei gia thn epomenh Trith, 17 Ianoyarioy, stis 11.00, thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias, prokeimenoy na ginei diejodikh syzhthsh sto qema ths syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs. Parallhla, qa jekinhsei kyklo epafwn me toys politikoys arxhgoys. Hdh, exei kanei mia syntomh syzhthsh, me aformh kai allo qema gia to opoio ton episkefqhke, me ton arxhgo toy Synaspismoy k. Alabano. Thn Tetarth qa exei synanthsh me thn k. Paparhga kai ekkremei na oristei ranteboy me ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Papandreoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: O k. Papazaxos, xqes, eipe oti exei steilei pros thn kybernhsh episthmonikes meletes, me bash tis opoies yparxei problech oti qa ginoyn seismoi se diafores perioxes, prokeimenoy na lhfqoyn metra. Exoyn ajiologhqei aytes oi meletes kai exoyn lhfqei kapoia metra se kapoies perioxes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean einai akribhs h metafora poy moy kanete, giati qymamai ton k. Papazaxo, apo tote poy hmoyn paidaki, poy elege oti den ginontai probleceis seismwn. Den gnwrizw ean exei allajei episthmonikh apoch.

TSIODRAS: Exei allajei apo o,ti fainetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Wstoso, epeidh h akribhs metafora einai oti exei steilei epistolh sto Ypoyrgeio PEXWDE, epikoinwnhsa me to YPEXWDE kai ton armodio ypoyrgo, o opoios me enhmerwse oti o k. Papazaxos den exei steilei kamia epistolh, oyte ston ypoyrgo oyte ston yfypoyrgo PEXWDE. To YPEXWDE de, den exei kamia armodiothta na xrhmatodotei ereynes panepisthmiakwn ergasthriwn. Epeidh, omws, fantasthka oti qa sas endiaferei to qema twn ereynwn, logw toy oti o seismos htan megalhs isxyos kai exei endiaferon gia oloys toys Ellhnes, exw oloys toys analytikoys pinakes, ergwn sxetika me toys seismoys, poy ylopoihqhkan h ylopoioyntai sto plaisio toy EPAN, ston tomea ths ereynas. Einai arketa ekatommyria eyrw. Mporw na sas dwsw tis fwtotypies. Exw ola ta eggrafa apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs kai apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias, opoy yparxoyn programmata gia to ti exei kanei h Politeia. Kai den einai mono to ti kanei shmera, alla ti exei kanei kai ta prohgoymena xronia. Giati blepw oti merika programmata, toy EPAN, exoyn jekinhsei apo ton Ioynio toy 2003. Yparxoyn alla programmata poy aforoyn olh th diarkeia toy 2003, toy 2004, toy 2005, synolikoy proypologismoy, se o,ti afora to EPAN, peripoy 15 ekatommyriwn eyrw, apo oloys toys armodioys ereynhtikoys foreis ths xwras. Ta programmata entaxqhkan sto EPAN ystera apo ajiologhsh apo armodies epitropes. Qa sas dianemhqoyn sto telos ths enhmerwshs.

Sto plaisio toy idioy programmatos, gia ajiologhsh programmatwn gia seismikoys kindynoys kai prostasia, o proypologismos anerxetai se 18 ekat. eyrw epipleon, me teliko dikaioyxo tis perifereies ths xwras, ta PEP. Allo programma ayto, syn ta programmata poy sas eipa gia to ypoyrgeio Paideias.

TSIODRAS: Oyte gia ayto to seismo eixe fqasei ston armodio ypoyrgo problech;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edwsa hdh apanthsh, epeidh akoysa xqes oti eipwqhke pws yparxei epistolh pros ton ypoyrgo PEXWDE.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pairnontas thn apanthsh sas apo thn arxh-arxh, ekei poy ypenqymisate oti apo paidaki akoygate ton k. Papazaxo na leei oti den ginontai probleceis se seismoys, an katalaba kala mas lete na mhn pairnoyme tois metrhtois ayta poy leei o k. Papazaxos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Eipa, ean metaferqhke akribws h dhlwsh. Ara, den thn phrate apo thn arxh-arxh thn apanthsh. Afairesate to kommati ekeino poy eipa@

BLAXOS: Dieykrinistikh htan h erwthsh moy. Eseis qewreite oti o k. Papazaxos einai enas diaprephs episthmonas, o opoios exei apoch, mporei na thn kataqetei kai na thn akoyei o ellhnikos laos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe episthmonas mporei na kataqetei thn apoch toy. Alimono! Ti erwthsh einai ayth; Den qa krinw kanenan episthmona.

BLAXOS: Ara, ayto poy leei oti emeis exoyme enhmerwsei thn Politeia kai oti h Politeia prepei na parei metra, opws ton akoysa na leei xqes sto kentriko deltio eidhsewn, esas ti sas dhmioyrgei ayth h anafora toy k. Papazaxoy; Den sas dhmioyrgei to erwthmatiko o,ti kati strabo ginetai kai o anqrwpos prospaqei na kroysei ton kwdwna toy kindynoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanalabw dyo pragmata gia teleytaia fora: To prwto, gia to ean exei stalei epistolh ston ypoyrgo PEXWDE, opws akoysa na leei o idios o k. Papazaxos: O ypoyrgos PEXWDE me diabebaiwnei oti oyte o idios oyte o yfypoyrgos exei tetoia epistolh. Deyteron, se o,ti afora thn ereyna: Yparxoyn programmata gia thn ereyna se qemata seismwn ta opoia ejelissontai epi seira pollwn etwn. Sas anegnwsa hdh orismena apo ayta. Mporw na sas dwsw ola ta programmata, fwtotypies twn eggrafwn poy exw sta xeria moy gia ta xrhmata poy exoyn jodeytei kai pws synexizoyn na jodeyontai se ayto ton tomea. Tipota perissotero.

SIDERHS: Prin apo ayto to seismo, eixame dyo alloys koinwnikoys: Toys Pakistanoys kai to Rwso. Poy ejafanisthkate; Lamcate dia ths apoysias sas olo ayto to diasthma, toso eseis, oso kai o armodios ypoyrgos, o k. Boylgarakhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To erwthma sas poio einai; Giati den egine briefing nwritera; Prwton, gnwrizete poly kala oti to briefing janarxizei shmera. Deyteron, gnwrizete epishs poly kala, ektos ki an apoysiazate, oti thn teleytaia hmera ths enhmerwshs se ayth thn aiqoysa, ypeblhqhsan 32 erwthseis gia to qema twn Pakistanwn. Ara, loipon, symperasmatika, nomizw oti einai ena ayqaireto symperasma ayto to opoio ejagagate. Se kaqe periptwsh, yphrje kybernhtikh enhmerwsh kai apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, kaqws kai topoqethsh ths kybernhshs, prin kan stamathsei logw twn eortwn na ginetai h enhmerwsh toy briefing.

SARANTAKOS: H syzhthsh h opoia qa ginei thn Tetarth sthn armodia Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph gia to qema twn Pakistanwn, qa ginei kekleismenwn twn qyrwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto den to gnwrizw. Einai qema ths Boylhs.

SARANTAKOS: Eseis exete kapoia eishghsh ws kybernhsh gia to an qa prepei, giati h kybernhsh oysiastika eishgeitai@;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei na fobhqei tipota h kybernhsh.

SARANTAKOS: Ara, qa einai anoikth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa. Einai koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Alimono ean o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos parembei se mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Qa anakoinwqei, loipon, apo thn armodia epitroph.

XIWTHS: Exw dyo diaforetikes erwthseis. H prwth gia toys seismoys: Eipate oti o ypoyrgos PEXWDE den exei labei kamia epistolh h ypomnhma apo ton k. Papazaxo. Akoysa ton k. Janqopoylo ston ALPHA shmera na leei oti pragmati den ypoblhqhke ypomnhma ston idio h ston ypoyrgo toy, ypoblhqhke omws mia ekqesh ston Organismo Antiseismikhs Prostasias, h opoia krinetai genikh kai aoristh. Qelw na jerw, ean genikws h kybernhsh, h Politeia, qewrei tis prognwseis toy k. Papazaxoy genikes h aoristes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw krish ep` aytoy. Einai zhthmata ta opoia, peran ths eyaisqhsias toys ws megala qemata, ofeiloyn na ta xeirizontai oi anqrwpoi poy gnwrizoyn. Egw den eimai gnwsths toy zhthmatos. Yparxei o Organismos Antiseismikhs Prostasias, yparxoyn oi armodioi foreis toy Dhmosioy stoys opoioys mporeite na apeyqynqeite kai na parete apanthseis.

XIWTHS: To erwthma sas to kanw, giati prepei kapoia stigmh h koinh gnwmh ypeyqyna na plhroforhqei an yparxei asfales systhma prognwshs seismwn h oxi. Symperainw loipon@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai zhthma ths episthmonikhs koinothtas. Den einai ena qema poy mporei na apanthqei apo kapoia kybernhsh ana ton kosmo ektos ean h ana ton kosmo episthmonikh koinothta exei symfwnhsei oti yparxei asfalhs meqodos problechs kai kata synepeia ayto mporei na ajiopoihqei apo kaqe xwra kai apo kaqe kybernhsh.

XIWTHS: To erwtw k. Ypoyrge, dioti h kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy qa krinei ean qa prepei na kinhtopoihsei ton kratiko mhxanismo ektaktws se mia tetoia periptwsh h oxi. Ara afora kai thn kybernhsh. Prepei kapoia stigmh h kybernhsh na apofasisei an qa qewrei asfaleis aytes tis probleceis h oxi. Kai ayto sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa hdh.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoyga toys eidikoys xqes na lene oti den mporoyn na kanoyn problech gia to endexomeno tsoynami sthn Ellada, dioti an kai qalassia xwra h Ellada den exei tsoynamografo. Kai ayto einai idiaitera epikindyno, dioti ayto poy synebh, synebh se xeimerino mhna. Ean synebaine se kalokairino mhna den qa htan se qesh oi armodioi episthmones na poyn an yphrxe kindynos tsoynamioy gia toys katoikoys twn paraliwn. Prwton: An exete epignwsh aytoy toy kindynoy kai ara an prokeitai na to antimetwpisete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw gnwsh toy qematos kai ws ek toytoy proxeirws den qa apanthsw. Qymamai oti eixe ginei megalh syzhthsh perysi tetoio kairo, me aformh to tsoynami kai ta apotelesmata toy se mia poly makrinh xwra. Eixan dhmosieyqei tote se diafora episthmonika periodika alla kai sta MME apoceis peri toy an ayto to fainomeno einai dynato na epanalhfqei kai se poies alles xwres k.o.k. Den qymamai na htan h xwra mas se perioxh kindynoy. Se kaqe periptwsh omws den mporw na apanthsw me episthmonikh gnwsh, dioti den katexw ayth th gnwsh.

POYLIDOY: Oi armodioi dhlwnoyn oti einai ena aparaithto ergaleio, dioti htan tyxaio to oti synebh se ayto to baqos h sygkroysh twn plakwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Wstoso, den eixame kapoia antistoixa apotelesmata gia na anhsyxoyme.

POYLIDOY: Nai, an synebaine pio epifaneiaka elegan, qa mporoyse na eixe dhmioyrghqei megalo tsoynami. Ena allo erwthma. Hqela na sas rwthsw me ayth thn eykairia, eixane mazeytei sto teleytaio tsoynami poy eixe ginei sthn Indonhsia, kapoia xrhmata. Eixe ginei enas thlemaraqwnios sthn ERT kai eixe yposxeqei h xwra mas kapoies syndromes. Qa hqela kapoia stigmh, an sas einai eykolo, na mas kanete enan apologismo ayths ths oikonomikhs kinhtopoihshs poy eixe ginei tote.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti o apologismos exei hdh ginei.

POYLIDOY: Den exei ginei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn doqei ta xrhmata apo thn ERT, me mia dhmosia teleth, sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Ta xrhmata poy sygkentrwqhkan apo tis prosfores twn Ellhnwn politwn, doqhkan me epitagh sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, to opoio eixe tropo -to eixe anakoinwsei - na ta dioxeteysei. Qa parakaloysa na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei sthn idiwtikopoihsh. Qa poylhsei kommatia ths Agrotikhs Trapezas, ths Emporikhs, toy Taxydromikoy Tamieythrioy kai ths etaireias ``Eleyqerios Benizelos'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw giati moy apeyqynete ayth thn erwthsh. Den exw kati tetoio ypoch moy. Apo poy prokyptei tetoioy eidoys eikasia;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To anaferoyn polla dhmosieymata kai to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn den to apokleiei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati na pw. Ayth th stigmh paraxwrei synenteyjh Typoy o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. An erwthqei gi` ayto to qema, qa apanthsei.

KAKALHS: Sthn ypoqesh twn anakrisewn twn Pakistanwn. Kat` arxhn an epibebaiwnetai dhmosieyma kyriakatikhs efhmeridas gia nees syllhceis kai anakriseis Pakistanwn ston Aspropyrgo ayth th fora me amerikaniko aithma kai an sto plaisio ayto oi amerikanikes arxes exoyn dwsei katalogo sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai an yparxoyn ``pyrhnes islamistwn tromokratwn'' sthn Aqhna kai sthn Ellada genikotera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to qema ayto qa meinw se oses apanthseis exoyn hdh doqei ews twra apo thn kybernhsh dia toy Anaplhrwth Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy prin apo 15 hmeres, apo ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs k. Boylgarakh kai apo ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs k. Papalhgoyra. Opws gnwrizete, se dyo hmeres qa diejaxqei syzhthsh se armodia epitroph ths Boylhs opoy qa teqoyn kai ekei erwthmata kai qa doqoyn apanthseis.

KAKALHS: Ayto einai allh ejelijh. Den exei na kanei me tis prohgoymenes apagwges.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei xqesinh dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, an anaferomaste sto idio dhmosieyma.

PAPAGIANNHS: Na rwthsw kati, sxetika me to Rwso aytoxeira. Qa qelame, gia prwth fora, thn epishmh kybernhtikh grammh. Na mas kanete dhladh ena sxolio gia to pws akribws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh, an einai ikanopoihmenh apo toys xeirismoys ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias prin, kata th diarkeia kai meta thn metagwgh. Kai kati akomh. Qa hqela na moy sxoliasete dhmosieyma kyriakatikhs efhmeridas, symfwna me to opoio, o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Boylgarakhs, kata th diarkeia ths krishs, eyrisketo sthn Araxwba kai diaskedaze me ton Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Meimarakh. Kat` arxhn alhqeyei; Kai an alhqeyei poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh yparjei dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, gia to dhmosieyma poy anafereste thn opoia prosyprografw. Se o,ti afora tis kinhseis ths Astynomias, aytes htan oi endedeigmenes gia mia tetoia periptwsh. Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena geniko sxolio to opoio den strefetai enantion kapoioy sygkekrimenoy: Ftasame dystyxws sto fainomeno, enas anqrwpos o opoios esfaje mia gynaika prin apo merikoys mhnes, gia na dei opws eixe pei, pws einai na skotwneis, na skotwsei dyo astynomikoys gia na apodrasei kai en synexeia na epixeireitai @pisteyw oxi me syneidhsh- apo orismenoys h agiopoihsh toy. H Astynomia leitoyrghse opws eprepe na leitoyrghsei. Edrase poly swsta kai doqhke telos sthn ypoqesh apo ton idio bebaiws, efoson milame gia aytoxeira.

SIDERHS: Edrase opws eprepe me apotelesma dyo qanatoys astynomikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Tsiodras exei to logo. Den qa pairnei kaneis ayqaireta to logo, an den ton exw dwsei egw. Prepei na throyme orismenoys kanones.

TSIODRAS: An to ``edrase poly swsta'', afora kai th metagwgh toy Rwsoy poy eixe ws apotelesma to qanato dyo astynomikwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kanena perissotero sxolio.

SARANTAKOS: Akoysa me megalh prosoxh thn kathgorhmatikh dhlwsh thn opoia molis mas kanate, qa elega ws proswpiko sxolio oti einai h pio kathgorhmatikh dhlwsh poy exw akoysei to teleytaio diasthma. Isws giati htan kleisto to briefing@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete thn eykairia na kanete ta sxolia sas sthn efhmerida sas. Parakalw edw na kanete erwthseis.

SARANTAKOS: Panta kanw erwthseis kai pote sxolio, aplws twra giati qelw na proxwrhsw. Ayto, sas jenise kata synepeia h parembash toy k. Linoy, o opoios qelei na diereynhsei ola osa prohgoymenws mas eipate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy. Giati na me jenisei;

SARANTAKOS: Giati blepw oti eiste kathgorhmatikos. Gi` ayto ekana to sxolio prin.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Dikaiosynh exei sygkekrimeno qesmiko rolo kai eilikrina xairomai kai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai ws poliths ayths ths xwras, otan h Dikaiosynh mas proxwra sth diereynhsh kaqenos ek twn qematwn ta opoia dhmioyrgoyn estw kai erwthmata. Estw kai se meros ths koinhs gnwmhs. Ekana ena sxolio, to opoio einai sxolio Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy @polith ayths ths xwras. Kai milhsa gia sygkekrimeno gegonos. Gia sygkekrimeno proswpo. Krathste to ws sxolio.

SARANTAKOS: Ofeilw na sas pw omws, oti h kathgorhmatikothta sas erxetai se plhrh -giati den eiste poliths, eiste Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos- antiqesh me ta erwthmata poy qetei h Dikaiosynh to teleytaio diasthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na kanete opoio sxolio qelete. Sebomaste th Dikaiosynh. H Dikaiosynh ereyna oles tis ypoqeseis eleyqera kai anempodista. Ayth de h kybernhsh, einai h kybernhsh h opoia pote den sxoliase dikastikoys leitoyrgoys oyte apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs. Sas qymizw oti o prokatoxos moy ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs s` aythn edw th qesh oyk oliges fores sxoliase kai xeirismoys ths Dikaiosynhs kai proswpa kai apofaseis otan ektimoyse kata to dokoyn, aytos eite alloi synadelfoi toy ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs toy PASOK oti den toys boleyan tetoies apofaseis. Emeis exoyme allh logikh. H Dikaiosynh leitoyrgei anejarthta. Dra anejarthta. Kanei th doyleia ths.

KYRITSHS: Ayto poy eipate, ``ton skotwse gia na dei pws einai na skotwneis'', poy to jerete, exete diabasei th dikografia, sas thn exei dwsei o k. Papalhgoyras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa apanthsw sto erwthma sas. Einai gnwsto oti exei dhlwqei kati tetoio apo ton aytoxeira.

KYRITSHS: Diaceydetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh loipon, qa epanalabw: Enas anqrwpos o opoios skotwse treis synanqrwpoys toy, epixeirhqhke apo orismenoys na ``agiopoihqei''. Epitrecte moy loipon na exw ws poliths ayths ths xwras tis sfodres antirrhseis moy sth dhmioyrgia mias tetoias eikonas. Ayto einai. Teleia kai payla.

KYRITSHS: To ``skotwsa gia na dw pws einai na skotwnw'' htan h diatypwsh mesw ths opoias dhmioyrghqhke h entypwsh thn opoia exei h koinh gnwmh gia ayton ton anqrwpo o opoios peqane, den jerw ti htan, alla@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy -den qelw na sas diakocw- na pw oti h koinh gnwmh exei sygkekrimenh entypwsh gia enan anqrwpo o opoios skotwnei treis synanqrwpoys toy, anaitiws. Qymizw oti skotwse mia gynaika sthn Kerkyra, h opoia ton eixe epibibasei me wtostop sto aytokinhto ths gia na ton ejyphrethsei. Skotwse ayton ton anqrwpo. Isxyei h den isxyei h dhlwsh toy an skotwse giati hqele na dei pws einai na skotwnei h oxi. H prajh poy einai shmantikh paramenei. Epishs, paramenei mia poly shmantikh prajh, opoy dyo sympolites mas, dyo synanqrwpoi mas, den exei shmasia an einai Ellhnes h jenoi, dyo astynomikoi poy htan se yphresia, thn wra poy teloysan to kaqhkon toys, epesan nekroi apo tis sfaires toy idioy aytoy anqrwpoy. Ara gia emena exei shmasia h parathrhsh poy ekana kai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai ws poliths, opws eipa prohgoymenws.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prohgoymenws kanate mia makroskelh topoqethsh gia to pws dra h dikaiosynh kai to pws prepei na dra. Na eklaboyme ayth thn topoqethsh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi gia to pws prepei na dra. Egw den ypodeiknyw sth Dikaiosynh pws prepei na dra. Eipa gia to pws antilambanetai to qesmika anejarthto rolo ths Dikaiosynhs, h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

GKOYTZANHS: Na eklaboyme ayto kai ws mia emmesh apodokimasia pros ton k. Boylgarakh, o opoios thn perasmenh ebdomada me diarroes eixe ekfrasei dysareskeia gia thn parembash ths Dikaiosynhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H aristera me kathgorei oti sthrizw ton k. Boylgarakh, h dejia oti apodokimazw ton k. Boylgarakh@

GKOYTZANHS: Egw erwthsh ekana, den sas kathgorw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An qelete na allajoyme to rhma: ``Moy prosaptei''. Se o,ti me afora, ekana mia poly safh topoqethsh, milwntas kai gia toys xeirismoys toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs kai gia toys xeirismoys ths Dikaiosynhs.

MOYRTHS: Dhmosieythke oti stis 17 Dekembrioy egine mia syskech ypo ton k. Boylgarakh sthn opoia o astynomikos dioikhths twn Iwanninwn zhthse enisxysh toy Tmhmatos Metagwgwn, legontas xarakthristika oti apo tyxh den qrhnhsame qymata olon ayto ton kairo poy ginontai oi metagwges kai me ena atomo. Gnwrizete ean egine ayth h syskech kai an eipwqhkan ayta ta pragmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den qa ypeiselqw kai se zhthmata ta opoia aforoyn leptomereies, katagrafes drasewn enos ekastoy ypoyrgeioy. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto idio to ypoyrgeio.

SIDERHS: Mas afhsate eneoys k. Ekproswpe. Eipate oti eginan oi endedeigmenes energeies apo thn Astynomia. Den einai emfanhs h antiqesh na exoyme endedeigmenes energeies kai na exoyme treis nekroys, dyo astynomikoys kai ena drapeth poy aytoktonhse. Dhladh, ean den eixan ginei oi endedeigmenes energeies posoys nekroys qa eixame;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Omiloyme peri apwleiwn.

SIDERHS: Den einai ``analwsimo yliko'' oi astynomikoi, gia na omiloyme peri apwleiwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi apwleies einai apotelesma drasewn, prajewn h kai paraleicewn. Se kamia periptwsh o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, poy brisketai apenanti sas ayth thn wra, den qa prospaqhsei na kanei kanenos eidoys anakrish gia to pws eixan ta sygkekrimena peristatika. Ayta ta exoyn analabei oi yphresies poy einai armodies kai qa perimenoyme ta dika toys symperasmata.

SIDERHS: Se ena allo qema, ean moy epitrepete. Yphrje sympoliths mas, ton kairo poy oloi exoyme ton egwkentrismo na koitame thn parth mas, poy katestrece ton eayto toy, thn kariera toy gia na bohqhsei thn Ellada. Egine enas kataskopos ths Elladas. Aytos o anqrwpos xreiasthke eidikh symparastash. Qa kanei kati to kratos; O k. Papalhgoyras qa prospaqhsei, opws akoysa xqes se mia ekpomph toy synadelfoy Papaxela, na ton bohqhsei na erqei sthn Ellada, na dei thn oikogeneia toy. To kratos qa kanei kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me kalyptei apolytws h dhlwsh toy k. Papalhgoyra, o opoios einai o armodios ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs kai mporei na kanei tis kinhseis poy perigrafhkan sth xqesinh toy dhlwsh.

SIDERHS: To kratos qa kanei kati; Na toy parasxei mia kapoia ylikh bohqeia; Qa prepei kai na zhsei, den exei na plhrwsei to dikhgoro toy, exei 10 xronia fylakh. Se yliko epipedo qa kanei kati to kratos; Qa parasxei kapoia bohqeia se ayton;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: To gegonos oti o k. Papalhgoyras ws armodios ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs asxoleitai me thn ypoqesh, einai hdh ena poly qetiko bhma kai xairomai gi` ayto.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela na moy dieykrinisete dyo apories. Aporia prwth: Telika ton sthrizete ton k. Boylgarakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite na sthrizw; O Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ean sthrizei kapoioys ypoyrgoys; Den to katalabainw to erwthma sas. Den exei kapoio problhma o k. Boylgarakhs gia na xreiastei th dikh moy sthrijh.

BLAXOS: Giati hsastan ejafanismenos ayto ton kairo. Giati eixate xaqei apo proswpoy ghs. Dhladh, enw kanate kapoia grapth anakoinwsh gia kapoion, gia ton k. Boylgarakh den kanate grapth anakoinwsh. Gi` ayto rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: O k. Mantoybalos einai boyleyths ths N.D.; Giati prin apo ligo kateqese erwthsh sth Boylh zhtwntas enisxysh twn katoikwn twn Kyqhrwn, ypografontas ws boyleyths ths N.D. Exei epistrecei sth N.D.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kapoia nea ejelijh. Qymamai thn teleytaia epistolh toy k. Mantoybaloy pros thn Proedro ths Boylhs peri anejarthtopoihsews toy.

BLAXOS: Ara, an steilei epistolh epistrofhs qa ginei dektos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Kapoios mporei na fygei me dikh toy apofash, alla gia na epanelqei sto komma xreiazetai apofash toy kommatos.

XIDIROGLOY: Proeklogika h N.D. eixe desmeyqei gia thn enisxysh ths ergasias twn astynomikwn kai se ylikotexniko epipedo kai se misqologiko epipedo k.lp. Eidame bebaia, meta apo osa akoloyqhsan th stigmh dolofonias apo ton allodapo kakopoio, ton dialogo na anazwpyrwnetai. Skopeyei telika h kybernhsh na enisxysei toys astynomikoys, wste na epiteloyn me megalyterh eykolia kai asfaleia to dyskolo ergo toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws exw pei polles fores, h kybernhsh ylopoiei tis desmeyseis ths.

MIXAHLIDHS: Yparxei mia synenteyjh shmera toy ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias, o opoios tassetai yper toy na einai anoiktes oi Trapezes kapoies Kyriakes. Exei syzhthqei ayto sthn kybernhsh, yparxei kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh o k. Alogoskoyfhs paraxwrei synenteyjh. Fantazomai oti qa erwthqei kai gia ayto to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: H efhmerida ``TO QEMA'' xqes eixe kapoioys dialogoys poy eginan metajy toy armodioy astynomikoy dieyqynth Iwanninwn kai toy k. Boylgarakh gia ta kena poy yphrxan sto Tmhma Metagwgwn. H kybernhsh exei diereynhsei ean ontws isxyei kai ean endexomenws yparxei politikh eyqynh toy ypoyrgoy h to antiparerxetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei dhlwsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy.

GKOYTZANHS: H opoia kalyptei thn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

XIWTHS: Dyo erwthseis gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos: Tis teleytaies hmeres eida melh ths kybernhshs, ypoyrgoys, opws o k. Aloloskoyfhs, o k. Abramopoylos na diatypwnoyn protaseis gia anaqewrhtees diatajeis. Qelw na jerw, ean aytes oi protaseis desmeyoyn thn kybernhsh kai aphxoyn tis qeseis poy qa ekfrasei o Prwqypoyrgos kai stoys Arxhgoys twn kommatwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi protaseis twn boyleytwn einai eyprosdektes. Antilambaneste oti h diadikasia anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos einai mia shmantikh qesmikh allagh. Ginetai apo th Boylh me th gnwmh olwn twn boyleytwn twn kommatwn kai enos ekastoy xwrista. Einai, loipon, oxi aplws dikaiwma, alla kai ypoxrewsh olwn twn boyleytwn na kataqetoyn tis apoceis toys.

XIWTHS: Otan tis kataqetoyn melh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias qa kanei eishghsh sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, thn epomenh ebdomada, sthn opoia qa einai poly pio analytikos, se sxesh me ta osa exei pei hdh sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs, milwntas thn teleytaia hmera chfishs toy Proypologismoy. Ara, en katakleidi, kaqe boyleyths eite einai ypoyrgos, eite oxi, eite exei kybernhtiko ajiwma, eite oxi, exei dikaiwma kai ypoxrewsh na kataqetei apoceis gia mia toso shmantikh qesmikh allagh, opws einai h syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh.

XIWTHS: Qa hqela na zhthsw kai th dikh sas apoch gia ena qema dikhs sas armodiothtas. Pisteyete@.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mh me rwthsete, giati den qa kataqesw dhmosia apoch akoma, toylaxiston.

XIWTHS: Einai gia ena qema to opoio typika einai akoma se ejelijh. Qelw na sas rwthsw ean qewreite oti prepei na anaqewrhqei h diatajh toy arqroy 14 toy Syntagmatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti den qa topoqethqw dhmosiws gia to Syntagma, toylaxiston, se ayth th fash. Se kaqe periptwsh, gia to arqro 14, par. 9, sto opoio anaferqhkate, yparxei enas nomos gia ton basiko metoxo. Opws gnwrizete yparxei mia diadikasia anoikths diaboyleyshs, syzhthshs me toys armodioys foreis, alla kai me oloys toys polites. Einai h prwth fora poy ginetai sth xwra mas, dhladh, na jekina syzhthsh, mesa apo to internet me oloys toys endiaferomenoys polites gia ta qemata sygkentrwshs kai adeiodothshs twn radiothleoptikwn Meswn. Kai ta zhthmata sygkentrwshs problepontai, epishs, apo to Syntagma. Ara, otan exoyme hdh enan nomo kai proxwrame hdh enan epomeno me bash ayto to arqro, emmesws exete kapoioy eidoys apanthsh, xwris, omws, na shmainei tipota perissotero, ayto poy eipa.

XIWTHS: H apanthsh poy exw gia na mhn dhmioyrghqoyn parermhneies, epeidh den qa to hqela, einai oti den qewreite oti prepei na allajei h diatajh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh chfistei enas nomos me bash to arqro 14 par. 9 kai odeyoyme se chfish enos deyteroy, me bash pali to arqro 14 par. 9.

KAKALHS: Epeidh h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos syndeqhke me tis metarryqmiseis genikotera, mporeite na mas peite poies apo tis diatajeis toy isxyontos Syntagmatos einai empodio stis metarryqmiseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. O dialogos anoigei. O Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei dhmosia omilia, sthn opoia qa einai poly pio analytikos, apo oti mexri twra.

MOYRTHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exoyn prosdioristei oi anaqewrhtees diatajeis kai pio to antikeimeno ths @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa prin.

MOYRTHS: Yparxei ena deytero skelos, poio einai to antikeimeno akribws ths syzhthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys politikoys arxhgoys, gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, efoson den exoyn prosdioristei ayta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos sigoyra qa einai pio analytikos sth syzhthsh me toys politikoys arxhgoys. Se kaqe periptwsh, h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos einai mia diadikasia synaineshs. Ayth th synainesh epizhta h kybernhshs ths N.D. , opws thn epizhthse sthn prohgoymenh anaqewrhsh h kybernhsh toy PASOK.

SARANTAKOS: Qa kalesei o k. Karamanlhs kai ton k. Karatzaferh, ws eyrwboyleyth kai Proedro toy LAOS sth syzhthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den chfizoyn oi eyrwboyleytes gia thn allagh toy Syntagmatos. Oi boyleytes chfizoyn.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate gia to qema twn Pakistanwn oti htan endedeigmenes oi kinhseis ths astynomias. Thn idia apanthsh qa dinate kai gia toys epikoinwniakoys xeirismoys ths kybernhsh kaq olh thn diarkeia twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

PAPAGIANNHSs: Mia erwthsh me parapolitikh xroia. Epeidh, milhsa me polloys boyleytes ths N.D. qewroyn oloi dedomenh thn ypochfiothta toy k. Kaklamanh sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas. H apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai eilhmmenh kai h anakoinwsh apotelei qema strathgikhs h symbainei kati allo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos lambanei mia apofash, eite thn anakoinwnei o idios, eite o kybernhtikos ekproswpos ek meroys toy. Den exei anakoinwqei kati mexri twra. Exw pei, se allh syzhthsh poy exoyme kanei edw gia qemata dhmotikwn eklogwn, oti einai nwris na anoijei syzhthsh.

MOYRTHS: Gia na katanohsoyme pio kala osa qa eipwqoyn sth syzhthsh poy qa ginei sth Boylh gia to qema twn Pakistanwn, gia thn kybernhsh to peristatiko yphrje h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei parei hdh qesh. Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

MOYRTHS: H Grammateas toy KKE eipe oti h prohgoymenh kybernhsh exei ypogracei mystikes symfwnies, oi opoies epitrepoyn na diejagontai anakriseis kat ayton ton tropo. Gnwrizete ean yparxoyn tetoies symfwnies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete janarwthsei kai exei doqei apanthsh poly prin arxisei to teleytaio zhthma.

MOYRTHS: Mporeite na thn epanalabete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den th qymamai. Anazhthsete to sygkekrimeno briefing sto internet.

GKOYTZANHS: Poion qa orisei th kybernhsh eishghth gia to Syntagma; Sas blepw poly skeptikoys. Fobaste ton k. Pagkalo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Skeptikoys giati;

GKOYTZANHS: Prokeimenoy na to apofasisete kai na to anakoinwsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den mas blepete skeptikoys. Den jerw giati bgalate ayto to symperasma. Den yparxei logos biasynhs gia na anakoinwqei to onoma.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos sthn enhmerwsh poy ekane ston k. Alabano, eipe oti oi ellhnikes yphresies den meteixan se ayth th diadikasia me toys Pakistanoys. Yphrxan jenes yphresies poy meteixan se ayth thn epixeirhsh sthn Ellada me toys Pakistanoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: To afhnete ``anoikto'' omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero gi ayth thn ypoqesh. @O,ti einai na pw to exw pei.

BLAXOS: Exete san kybernhsh stoixeia, oti yphrjan jenes dynameis poy ekanan kapoia epixeirhsh me to qema twn Pakistanwn se ellhniko edafos kai aplws den to lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete kapoia allh erwthsh gia allo qema;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Anasxhmatismos prokeitai na ginei syntoma, mesa sthn ebdomada, giati polla kykloforoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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