Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-12-20

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 20 Dekembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, poy asxolhqhke me ton Kwdika Dhmwn kai Koinothtwn. O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, paraxwrei ayth th stigmh synenteyjh Typoy, analyontas to sxedio nomoy ths kybernhshs.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 09.30, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Ygeias k. Nikhta Kaklamanh.

Stis 10.30 me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs k. Anastash Papalhgoyra.

Stis 11.30 me ton yfypoyrgo Aqlhtismoy k. Giwrgo Orfano.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia tis drasthriothtes twn Grammateiwn Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs: Einai gnwsto to problhma poy exei dhmioyrghqei sth xwra mas ejaitias toy en pollois arryqmistoy topioy ston tomea twn hlektronikwn MME. Epi sxedon dyo dekaeties, paroti h Politeia kata kairoys nomoqethse, den exei epiteyxqei akomh h adeiodothsh twn idiwtikwn thleoptikwn staqmwn, kaqws epishs kai twn ektos Attikhs idiwtikwn radiofwnikwn staqmwn. Opws problepei to Syntagma mas, alla kai opws symbainei stis perissoteres xwres ths E.E., yfistatai anagkh na oristei me nomo kai to qema ths sygkentrwshs sto xwro twn MME. H proqesh ths kybernhshs einai gnwsth: Na nomoqethsoyme kai gia ta dyo ayta megala qemata entos toy 2006. Stoxos mas einai na proxwrhsei h diadikasia epidiwkontas thn eyryterh dynath synainesh, toso se epipedo koinwnikwn forewn, oso kai epipedo koinoboyleytikwn kommatwn.

Sto plaisio ayto, qa jekinhsei ayrio stis 09.00, h prwth fash toy dialogoy ston opoio exoyn prosklhqei na symmetasxoyn oloi oi emplekomenoi foreis. H diadikasia qa labei xwra sthn aiqoysa Typoy ths Genikhs Grammateias Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs. O dialogos qa einai anoiktos kai mporoyn na ton parakoloyqhsoyn oloi oi endiaferomenoi, mesw eidikoy site sto Internet, me to opoio qa yparxei syndesh kai apo thn epishmh istoselida ths Genikhs Grammateias Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs. To site exei thn ejhs dieyqynsh: www.dialogos.gov.gr Qa yparxei, epishs, arxeio twn syzhthsewn poy qa pragmatopoihqoyn. Oi endiaferomenoi de, eite einai foreis, eite einai polites mporoyn na kataqetoyn tis protaseis toys, tis skeceis toys, tis idees toys, se ayton ton dialogo sthn parapanw dieyqynsh toy site, poy shmainei oti qa einai san na metexoyn kai aytoi sth diadikasia katartishs toy neoy nomosxedioy.

H diadikasia ennoeitai oti einai anoikth gia toys ekproswpoys toy Typoy, oi opoioi mporoyn na parakoloyqhsoyn ayrio thn prwth ayth synanthsh-syzhthsh me oloys toys emplekomenoys foreis.

Ofeilw mia apanthsh poy ekkremei apo xqes, se erwthsh toy k. Moyrth. Thn idia wra xqes eixe erwthqei kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs, o opoios edwse analytikh apanthsh gia to zhthma ths syneisforas ths xwras mas ston eyrwpaiko proypologismo. Sas parapempw s` aytes tis dhlwseis h an qelete exw mazi moy to plhres keimeno ths synenteyjhs to opoio mporw na sas to dwsw amesws meta.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei mia eyryterh syzhthsh pia, metajy twn ypoyrgwn gia to qema toy anasxhmatismoy. Kai xqes, eidame malista ton yfypoyrgo Metaforwn k. Nerantzh na kanei o idios enan eyreias klimakas anasxhmatismo. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio, sxetika me ta osa legontai apo ta xeilh twn melwn ths kybernhshs, gia allages qesewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto zhthma poy moy qetete, h apanthsh einai mia: Den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy. To exw dhlwsei para polles fores. Den qa to epanalabw. Nomizw oti to qema, an cajei kaneis se dhmosieymata, se plhrofories, se anafores, einai men prosfiles, xilioeipwmeno de. Den exei allajei tipote se oti afora thn kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: To gegonos omws oti o k. Karamanlhs phge sto biblio toy k. Polydwra, kati poy den synhqizei, shmainei oti o k. Polydwras, einai pro twn pylwn ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixe paei kai sthn prohgoymenh paroysiash biblioy toy k. Polydwra, otan hmastan sthn Antipoliteysh. Ara loipon to synhqizei.

BLAXOS: Me ton k. Polydwra omws to synhqizei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ston k. Papalhgoyra eixe paei gia paradeigma otan eixe paroysiasei to biblio toy.

BLAXOS: Einai ypoyrgos o k. Papalhgoyras.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Kai prin otan hmastan sthn Antipoliteysh, o k. Papalhgoyras eixe ekdwsei ena biblio.

BLAXOS: Ayto lew. Egine ypoyrgos. Qa ginei ypoyrgos kai o k. Polydwras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos opote kai opoy to epitrepei to programma toy, pareyrisketai se paroysiaseis bibliwn.

BLAXOS: Epi toy qematos: Qa ginei ypoyrgos o k. Polydwras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei s` ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Gia ton ypoyrgo den exete apanthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei genika.

KYRITSHS: To D` KPS einai 20 dis eyrw kai kati cila. Xqes, o ypoyrgos Amynas, milwntas sto radiofwno toy ``ALPHA'' sthn ekpomph twn k. Xiwth, Skoyrh, eipe oti thn erxomenh dekaetia, prokeitai na jodeytoyn gia ejoplismoys 25 dis eyrw. Perissotera dhladh apo osa qa paroyme apo to D` KPS. Qelw na rwthsw th logikh h opoia ypagoreyei aytoys toys yperejoplismoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw thn akribh dhlwsh sthn opoia anafereste. Se kaqe periptwsh ayto poy kanei kaqe kybernhsh se oti afora thn eqnikh amyna einai na frontizei na brisketai se ikanopoihtiko epipedo diasfalizontas oloys ekeinoys toys oroys poy thn kratoyn se ayto to epipedo.

SARANTAKOS: Exw mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Oi emplekomenoi foreis poy qa klhqoyn ayrio, s` aythn thn prwth fash toy dialogoy, poioi einai akribws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai para polloi.

SARANTAKOS: Einai h ESHEA, as poyme@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai oles oi Enwseis Syntaktwn. Exw mprosta moy dyo daktylografhmenes selides me foreis poy exoyn prosklhqei. Gia paradeigma, Enwseis Idiokthtwn, Enwseis Syntaktwn, Idiokthtes Panelladikwn Meswn Radiofwnoy, Thleorasewn kai Efhmeridwn. Giati zhthmata sygkentrwshs aforoyn ola ta MME. Perifereiakoi Staqmoi, Enwseis Diafhmistwn, Diafhmizomenwn. Epishs, exw apeyqynei prosklhsh se treis anejarthtes Arxes, oi opoies einai sth dikh toys diakritikh eyxereia an qeloyn na parakoloyqhsoyn ws parathrhtes h an qeloyn kai na symmetexoyn. Qa yparxei kai eidikh synanthsh me tis anejarthtes Arxes, kaqws epishs kai me toys ekproswpoys twn kommatwn. Den exw apeyqynei akomh thn prosklhsh stoys ekproswpoys twn kommatwn, perimenontas na ginei ayth h prwth syzhthsh prokeimenoy na topoqethqei h kybernhsh me orismenes protaseis kai skeceis. Na akoystoyn en synexeia -oxi mono ayrio- alla sth diarkeia kai twn epomenwn hmerwn kai ebdomadwn oi apoceis twn forewn kai afoy kwdikopoihqoyn ta prwta stoixeia, tote na ginei syzhthsh kai me ta kommata.

SARANTAKOS: Xronodiagramma gia to telos toy dialogoy exete balei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia skech, o dialogos na mhn paei pera apo tis 15,16 Febroyarioy.

SARANTAKOS: H dhlwsh sas oti den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy, ypoqetw, oti den apeyqynetai mono stoys dhmosiografoys, alla kai stoys ypoyrgoys poy to syzhtoyn to qema. Etsi den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw apantw stoys dhmosiografoys, otan erwtwmai apo aytoys.

SARANTAKOS: Pantws, anagnwrizete kai eseis oti to qema apasxolei kai toys idioys toys ypoyrgoys. Ayto ypoqetw, to anagnwrizei h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Otan lete `` mono gia dhmosiografoys'' ennoeite oti qa dinate allh apanthsh se ypoyrgoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apenanti moy dhmosiografoys, erwtwmai apo dhmosiografoys, apantw se dhmosiografoys.

KAKALHS: Giati efta Kyriakes to xrono, na menoyn anoixta ta emporika katasthmata kai oxi 52 Kyriakes; Etsi qa apofygei kai o k. Sioyfas thn aytokritikh, na epanelqei meta apo ena ejamhno h ena xrono na kanei thn aytokritikh kai na pei oti den htan arketa tolmhros. Giati den to kanete apo thn arxh 52 Kyriakes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy, o k. Sioyfas exei jekinhsei mia shmantikh prospaqeia sto xwro ths anaptyjhs. Ayth h prospaqeia, gia opoion thn parakoloyqei, einai emfanhs. Gnwrizete oti o dhmosios dialogos, einai basiko stoixeio ths Koinoboyleytikhs mas Dhmokratias. Me bash loipon ayth thn arxh, eqese gia syzhthsh to aithma ths koinwnias kai twn epixeirhsewn na einai anoixta ta katasthmata gia epta mono Kyriakes to xrono kai meta th qeia leitoyrgia ths Kyriakhs -milame gia emporika katasthmata. Gnwrizete oti ayto to aithma sympyknwnetai se tesseris protaseis: dyo ews treis Kyriakes to Dekembrio prin thn Prwtoxronia, dyo Kyriakes prin apo to Pasxa, mia Kyriakh stis xeimerines ekptwseis ton Febroyario kai mia Kyriakh stis kalokairines ekptwseis ton Ioylio h ton Aygoysto. H prospaqeia einai na bohqhqoyn oi epixeirhseis , h agora, oi ergazomenoi kai fysika oi katanalwtes.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na ma peite, poioi to eqesan ek meroys ths koinwnias to aithma ayto sthn kybernhsh; Poioi foreis dhladh kai poies anagkes ekfrazei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Polloi foreis exoyn qesei ta zhthmata ayta kai ta exoyn qesei met` epitasews epi seiran etwn.

KAKALHS: Na einai anoixta ta magazia thn Kyriakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Toy kalyteroy wrarioy twn katasthmatwn gia to opoio -opws gnwrizete- h kybernhsh exei hdh proxwrhsei se apofaseis. Ayta exoyn anakoinwqei. Kai leitoyrgias. Genikws opws to anaferete, akoygetai poly diaforetika ap` oti einai. Gnwrizete poly kala oti hdh yparxoyn Kyriakes toy xronoy, poy ta katasthmata einai anoixta. Aytes oi Kyriakes syndeontai me megales qrhskeytikes giortes, opws einai ta Xristoygenna kai me thn allagh toy xronoy, h Prwtoxronia. H syndesh, loipon, poy ginetai kai stis nees aytes skeceis, einai pali se sxesh me tetoies giortes kai bebaiws kai se sxesh me tis dyo periodoys twn ekptwsewn.

KAKALHS: Den anaferetai omws, poioi foreis to proteinoyn ayto.

SIDERHS: Skefteste pws qa exoyme to ``qanato toy emporakoy''. Pws oi mikroi emporoi qa mporesoyn na antepejelqoyn se ena epiprosqeto anoigma twn katasthmatwn; Eixan hdh ena plhgma. Kai deyteron, ti einai ekeino poy tonwnei thn agora; Oi polles wres poy qa einai anoixta ta magazia h h agorastikh dynamh twn politwn poy exei syrriknwqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete mia eikasia h opoia den einai kaqoloy swsth. Qa sas dwsw ena paradeigma: Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti ta teleytaia xronia kai sthn patrida mas, mia seira apo katasthmata poy apoteloyn kyriws oikogeneiakes epixeirhseis, opws gia paradeigma oi foyrnoi, eixan mia terastia anqish. Gyrw apo aytes tis epixeirhseis bohqhqhke kai h oikonomia kai to katanalwtiko koino. Ara, loipon, ayto poy anaferate eseis ``o qanatos toy emporakoy'' einai kati poy den to apodexomai.

SIDERHS: Ta stoixeia bebaia shmera ths emporikhs kinhshs alla lene gia tis epixeirhseis, pera apo ta cilikatzidika kai toys foyrnoys.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se xqesinh thleoptikh ekpomph h k. Mpakogiannh afoy anaferqhke me epainetika logia sto ergo ths Neas Dhmokratias ws kybernhsh ayta ta dyo xronia, anaferqhke kai se 35 laqh sta opoia exei ypopesei. Qa hqela na moy sxoliasete ayth thn anafora ths sta 35 laqh kai na moy peite pws qewreite ayto poy eipe. Qewreite oti qelhse na protrecei th Nea Dhmokratia na diorqwsei ayta ta laqh h oti apokleiei emmesws plhn safws ton eayto ths apo thn entajh ths sth Nea Dhmokratia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn kanw kanena sxolio, poly perissotero poy den gnwrizw akribws ti exei dhlwqei, xwris na ypotimw th dikh sas metafora sthn aiqoysa toy press room kapoias dhlwshs. Den qa sxoliasw tipota.

SIDERHS: Otan sas rwtoysame sto parelqon ti qa kanete gia thn anergia apantoysate oti erxetai o anaptyjiakos nomos kai qa yparjoyn proypoqeseis anaptyjhs, ara kai qa xtyphqei h anergia. Blepoyme oti eixe ayjhsh, estw kai anepaisqhth. Ayto shmainei, mallon, oti o anaptyjiakos nomos den leitoyrghse. Symfwneite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O anaptyjiakos nomos exei leitoyrghsei. Opws gnwrizete, h anergia exei meiwqei. Oi epixeirhseis poy exoyn wfelhqei einai ekatontades kai ta ekatommyria poy exoyn diateqei se eyrw, einai ekatontades. Ta exw anakoinwsei se prohgoymenh syzhthsh mas, edw. Einai sth diaqesh sas kai mesa apo ta keimena toy briefing ta opoia exete, alla kai apo tis anakoinwseis poy exei kanei to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Antiqetws, o anaptyjiakos nomos exei bohqhsei para polles epixeirhseis, exei dhmioyrghsei nees qeseis ergasias kai exei bohqhsei xiliades Ellhnes polites.

SIDERHS: Shmera oi efhmerides grafoyn gi` ayth thn anepaisqhth estw ayjhsh. Den einai apo th fantasia moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta stoixeia ta opoia didei h kybernhsh einai epishma.

MPALHS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia thn topoqethsh toy SEB na katarghqoyn oi katwtates amoibes stoys neoeiserxomenoys ypallhloys sthn agora alla kai stis perioxes me ychlh anergia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebomaste to dialogo twn forewn. Panw ap` ola sebomaste ta koinwnika kai ergatika dikaiwmata. Ekeino to opoio ofeiloyn oloi na skeftoyn einai oti oi opoies apofaseis den lambanontai mono sto epipedo twn opoiwn syntexniakwn symferontwn, alla me prooptikh thn beltiwsh ths oikonomias kai ths koinwnias en genei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws sxoliazete th dhlwsh toy Toyrkoy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Gkioyl o opoios eipe gia prwth fora oti to casus belli isxyei etsi akribws opws to ypegrace me ton k. Shmith h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean exei eipwqei tetoia dhlwsh, gnwrizete poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Den qa thn epanalabw.

KAKALHS: Twra poy o SEB proteinei oi neoproslambanomenoi na ejairoyntai apo th Eqnikh Syllogikh Symbash Ergasias se etaireies poy paroysiazoyn zhmies, mhpws h kybernhsh skeptetai na kanei relans kai na proteinei kati analogo stoys neoproslambanomenoys stis problhmatikes DEKO kai genikotera pws sxoliazete ayth thn eygenh amilla metajy kybernhshs kai biomhxanwn gia to poios qa periorisei ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn ston idiwtiko kai to dhmosio tomea.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kaqe pote anakalyptete eygenh amilla. Exw dei polles fores kai to exete epishmanei kai eseis, kriseis, epikriseis kai kritikh se kybernhtiko ergo kai apo thn pleyra toy SEB. Kata synepeia h eygenhs amilla sthn opoia anafereste stis periptwseis poy eidame sto prosfato parelqon, oydolws efanh. To antiqeto, mallon, qa elega.

RABANOS: To erwthma qa htan mallon kalytera na apeyqynqei sto komma alla qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs oson afora th xqesinh ejelijh sto qema ths ONNED, sto gegonos oti h hgesia ths neolaias protimhse na systhsei mia ejetastikh epitroph gia na diereynhsei tis kataggelies gia ta ``skandala'' sthn Qessalonikh, gia tis epixorhghseis apo ton OPAP, anti na akoloyqhsei th meqodo twn diagrafwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei apo xqes.

RABANOS: Omws xqes to brady eixame mia ejelijh. Synedriase ektaktws to ektelestiko grafeio ths ONNED kai phre mia apofash gia na systhsei ejetastikh epitroph. Ayto qelw na moy sxoliasete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia akomh apodeijh, an milate gi` ayto, oti h Nea Dhmokratia kai h neolaia ths leitoyrgoyn me teleiws diaforetiko tropo ap` oti leitoyrgoysan sto pneyma ths diafaneias oloi oi prohgoymenoi.

GKOYTZANHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti h kybernhsh sebetai to dialogo twn forewn, sebetai ta ergatika dikaiwmata, oi opoies apofaseis omws den prepei na lambanontai sto epipedo twn syntexniakwn symferontwn alla ths koinwnias en genei. Dhladh, h GSEE einai syntexnia h oi kladikes organwseis einai syntexnies, endiaferontai gia syntexniaka symferonta; Giati ekei ginontai oi diapragmateyseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati meinate mono sth GSEE kai den phgate kai ston SEB gia paradeigma. Den katalabainw giati ermhneyete th dhlwsh moy mono pros mia pleyra kai oxi amfidromws. Ayto to opoio lew einai oti prepei oloi, se kaqe apofash poy lambanetai, na ypologizoyn thn oikonomia kai bebaiws tis koinwnikes epiptwseis.

TSIODRAS: Ep` aytoy, qa hqela mia pio eyqeia apanthsh se sxesh me ta syntexniaka symferonta. Einai safes to aithma to opoio exei diatypwqei apo ton SEB sxetika me tis katwtates amoibes. An h kybernhsh to syzhta h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai eleyqero to dikaiwma toy na qelete, alla exw apanthsei sto qema.

KAKALHS: An kapoies epixeirhseis exoyn zhmies, o SEB gia ena-dyo xronia, o SEB zhtaei na yparjei meiwsh toy katwtatoy misqoy. Oi ergazomenoi apo th meria toys nomimopoioyntai na zhtane meiwsh twn kerdwn sthn periptwsh poy einai dedomeno oti oi misqoi paramenoyn pagwmenoi kai to eisodhma toys meiwnetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Moy zhtate na mesolabhsw sth diapragmateysh poy ginetai ayth th stigmh metajy twn koinwnikwn etairwn. Den qa to kanw. Exw kanei hdh dhlwsh ep` aytoy. Den xreiazetai na pw tipota perissotero.

SIDERHS: Shmera einai h teleytaia mera toy xronoy gia to briefing. Epeidh tis teleytaies hmeres kanoyme toys apologismoys mas@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Jerete poso diastaltikh einai h ermhneia toy xronoy se o,ti afora to briefing;

SIDERHS: Shmera den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai.

SIDERHS: Exete kanei apologismo, poses fores mas paraplhroforhsate kai se ti pososto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oydepote paraplhroforhsa toys dhmosiografoys eite s` ayth thn aiqoysa eite synomilwntas mazi toys sto thlefwno eite se synenteyjeis poy edwsa. Oydepote.

SIDERHS: Sebasto alla dia ths apokrycews olhs ths alhqeias poy einai nomimo kai qemito, se ti pososto mas paraplhroforhsate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oloi ypokeintai sthn krish twn Ellhnwn politwn. Exw apanthsei hdh sto erwthma poy qesate. Ektimw oti h prospaqeia poy kanoyn oi dhmosiografoi na broyn thn eidhsh einai apolytws qemith sto plaisio toy dikoy toys qesmikoy roloy. H dikh moy prospaqeia einai na enhmerwnw kalytera toys Ellhnes polites di` ymwn. Epishs nomizw oti prepei na ginetai sebasth.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an yparxei kati neotero apo th Eurostat sxetika me thn titlopoihsh gia to 2005. Exei prohghqei mia synenteyjh toy k. Alogoskoyfh poy elege oti h titlopoihsh einai nekrh. Shmainei ayto oti diagrafetai ws prooptikh h titlopoihsh, h entajh twn kondyliwn aytwn ston proypologismo gia to 2005;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati perissotero na sas pw ayth th stigmh.

Sas eyxaristw.

Sas eyxomai Kales Giortes.

@ Sas enhmerwnoyme oti, logw twn eortwn twn Xristoygennwn kai toy Neoy Etoys, h epomenh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy, qa pragmatopoihqei stis 9 Ianoyarioy 2006.

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