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Aqhna, 19 Dekembrioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio stis 11:00 synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs.

Qa hqela na kanw mia synoptikh anafora se osa elaban xwra sth Synodo Koryfhs stis Bryjelles, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada:

``H sklhrh diapragmateysh, poy dihrkese polloys mhnes, elabe aisio telos kai me shmantika ofelh gia thn Ellada. Ton Ioynio h xwra mas eixe epityxei na labei apo ton koinotiko proypologismo 20 disekatommyria eyrw. Petyxame oloys toys stoxoys poy eixame qesei. Dwsame th maxh na mh xaqei oyte ena eyrw. Kai ayth th maxh thn kerdisame. Paroti o proypologismos poy symfwnhqhke twra einai mikroteros se sxesh me ayton poy eixe syzhthqei ton Ioynio -kai o opoios telika eixe aporrifqei tote- petyxame na diathrhsoyme aytoysio to poso poy antistoixoyse me ekeinh thn protash, sthn Ellada. To synoliko poso poy petyxame gia thn Ellada, opws gnwrizete, anerxetai se 20 dis 101 ek. eyrw. Parameiname anypoxwrhtoi sth qesh oti den dexomaste anaqewrhsh ths KAP prin apo to 2013. Diasfalisame, sthn teleytaia fash ths diapragmateyshs, dieykolynseis ws pros th diaxeirish kai thn aporrofhsh twn koinotikwn kondyliwn, epekteinontas kata ena xrono th dynatothta aporrofhshs. To n+2, opws gnwrizete, egine n+3. Petyxame eynoikh ayjhsh toy posostoy xrhmatodothshs programmatwn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, apo to 75% sto 85%. Malista, gia th Sterea Ellada kai to Notio Aigaio, h ayjhsh einai megalyterh, afoy apo to 50% ayjanetai sto 85%. Kai ayto opws antilambanomaste oloi shmainei megalyterh ejoikonomhsh porwn gia ton eqniko mas proypologismo kai dynatothtes ylopoihshs perissoterwn programmatwn. Petyxame, telos, eidikes ryqmiseis se qemata FPA kai sta sygxrhmatodotoymena erga. Kata synepeia, megalyterh akomh elafrynsh toy eqnikoy proypologismoy.

Htan mia poreia epityxhs gia th xwra. Ekeino bebaiws poy menei ws poly shmantiko stoixhma gia ta epomena xronia einai h aporrofhsh twn kondyliwn aytwn sto megalytero dynato pososto, ei dynaton kai sto 100%. Se ayto h prospaqeia einai diarkhs kai me tis synexeis allages poy ginontai ston tropo poy leitoyrgei h dhmosia dioikhsh''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhmosieyontai shmera kapoies plhrofories poy aforoyn ston tropo me ton opoio o k. Antwnhs Mpezas, o Yfypoyrgos, kateneime kondylia poy aforoysan sthn perifereia toy, se syllogoys kai alles organwseis. Ypoqetw oti to exete ypoch sas to dhmosieyma kai qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs ep` aytoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Plhroforhqhka oti to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, opws kai polla alla ypoyrgeia, xrhmatodotoyn mia seira drasewn kai mikrwn organwsewn kaqe xrono, poy exoyn tameiakh anagkh gia diafora mikroposa. Einai mia synhqhs praktikh. H ypografh aytwn twn entalmatwn prepei na ginei egkairws, stis arxes Dekembrioy, gia na ektamieyqoyn ta posa emproqesma. Den eystaqoyn oi kataggelies oti ayta ta posa diateqhkan se eklogikh perifereia toy yfypoyrgoy ston opoio anaferetai to dhmosieyma. Antiqeta oi apofaseis aforoyn 16 synolika nomoys ths xwras mas.

SARANTAKOS: To ``EQNOS'' apokalyce xqes oti sth Qessalonikh, stelexh ths ONNED eixan systhsei etaireies kai malista mia apo aytes tis etaireies sthn arxh eixe onomastei ONNED A.E. kai epairnan kratikes epixorhghseis. Qa hqela to sxolio sas ep` aytoy katarxhn kai deyteron, ti diadikasies qa akoloyqhqoyn, prokeimenoy na diereynhqei ayth h ypoqesh kai na yparjoyn, ean apodeixqei emplokh, kyrwseis sta stelexh ths ONNED h akomh kai stoys dioikhtes DEKO, kratikwn organismwn poy edwsan xrhmata ekei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti apo th qesh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy den anaferomai bebaiws se kommatika zhthmata, eite aforoyn to komma eite th neolaia toy kommatos. Omws, qa sas pw oti exei hdh ekdoqei anakoinwsh apo th neolaia toy kommatos. Bebaiws ekdoqhke anakoinwsh kai apo ton OPAP, poy lynei kaqe eidoys parejhghsh h yponoia poy dhmioyrghqhke meta to dhmosieyma.

SARANTAKOS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs gi` aytes tis praktikes poy akoloyqhqhkan apo stelexh ths neolaias toy kybernwntos kommatos; Politiko sxolio ennow.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora thn epidothsh, xrhmatodothsh, epixorhghsh apo ton OPAP, ekana mia sxetikh ereyna. Einai poly eykolo gia kaqe dhmosiografo poy epiqymei na kanei ayth thn ereyna, na brei ti akribws synebaine. Opws plhroforhqhka, loipon, apo ton OPAP, den yparxei kapoioy eidoys epidothsh sthn ONNED. Yparxoyn antiqetws epidothseis se alles kommatikes, politikes neolaies kai malista ycoys pollwn dekadwn xiliadwn eyrw.

SARANTAKOS: Oyte se etaireies poy exoyn systhsei stelexh ths ONNED;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa. Exei hdh ekdwsei anakoinwsh o OPAP. Sas apanthsa oti yparxoyn epidothseis dekadwn xiliadwn eyrw se neolaies politikwn kommatwn gia th diorganwsh festibal h allwn ekdhlwsewn. Opws plhroforhqhka apo th neolaia ths Neas Dhmokratias, to festibal poy organwse to perasmeno kalokairi, plhrwqhke apo thn idia, apo to komma. Epishs, se ayto eixan symmetoxh kai ta melh poy meteixan sto festibal. Mia stoixeiwdhs mikrh dhmosiografikh ereyna, nomizw oti qa sas dwsei poly endiaferonta stoixeia gi` aytes tis epidothseis toy parelqontos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti edwse o Prwqypoyrgos th maxh kai petyxe na parei ayta ta xrhmata. Exete to mhxanismo na ta aporrofhsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws akoysate, ekleisa th dhlwsh moy, anaferontas oti ginetai mia poly megalh prospaqeia anadiarqrwshs twn mhxanismwn, etsi wste na aporrofhqoyn ta xrhmata ayta. Giati einai pragmatika krima na dinontai maxes, na kerdizontai aytes oi maxes kai entelei na mhn mporoyn na aporrofhqoyn sto 100% ta kondylia. Hdh exei yparjei mia seira apo polles allages. Prospaqoyme na meiwsoyme toys xronoys stoys opoioys qa ginei h aporrofhsh twn kondyliwn, kaqws kai th grafeiokratikh diadikasia, sto plaisio poy ayto einai efikto. Giati, opws gnwrizete, polles apo tis diadikasies einai koines gia oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ekeino poy allazei -kai einai ayto poy ypainisseste me thn erwthsh sas kai anaferqhka sthn eisagwgikh moy dhlwsh -se sxesh me thn Ellada, se sygkrish me tis alles xwres einai oti oi diadikasies sth xwra mas einai pio arges kai apo grafeiokratikoys logoys kai isws apo elleich empeirias se orismenoys tomeis. Ayto prospaqoyme na to allajoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, giati yparxei to prohgoymeno ths Shraggas toy Kallidromoy poy sas exw janarwthsei kai moy eipate oti qa moy apanthsete kai den exw parei kamia apanthsh, h opoia doqhke se ergolabo me ena periergo diagwnismo. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh to qewrei skandalo, apoxwrhse dhladh, den sygxrhmatodotei kai aytos poy ypegrace th symbash, o dieyqynwn symboylos ths ERGOSE, paraithqhke. Alla yparxoyn eyqynes kai kanenas den kanei tipote. Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas exw pei gia kaqe eidiko qema parapempw sto antistoixo ypoyrgeio, giati den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw ola ta eidika qemata. Gia na mhn parejhghqei h apanthsh moy den meiwnw thn ajia toy kaqe qematos legontas oti einai eidiko qema. Lew oti den mporw na gnwrizw ola ta eidika qemata. Parakalw thn erwthsh ayth na thn ypobalete sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

TSIODRAS: Epanerxomai sto qema ths ONNED. Eipate prin oti dinontan xrhmatodothseis apo ton OPAP se politikes neolaies. Ennoeite xrhmatodothseis prin apo thn analhch ths diakybernhshs apo th Nea Dhmokratia h synexizei kai me th nea dioikhsh o OPAP na xrhmatodotei politikes neolaies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anakoinwsh toy OPAP exei dwsei apanthsh sto erwthma sas. Anaferetai sto parelqon.

SIDERHS: Lyste moy mia ideologikh aporia enos afeloys Ellhna polith. Kala kaname kai phrame osa lefta mas edwsan. Apo poy kai ws poy einai eqnikh nikh to oti phrame perissotera lefta apo toys foroys twn Eyrwpaiwn forologoymenwn; Giati ayth oy diqyramboi; To idio qa apeyqynotan kai sthn antipoliteysh gia tis kataggelies ths, bebaia. Apo poy kai ws poy einai eqnikh epityxia, to gegonos oti mesa sthn katanomh me thn parembash allwn megalwn, opws ths Merkel, phrame kapoia perissotera lefta. Giati einai eqnikh nikh ayto to pragma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw gia poioys forologoymenoys endiafereste. Fantazomai gia oloys toys Eyrwpaioys forologoymenoys twn isxyrwn oikonomika xwrwn poy syneisferoyn perissotero sto proypologismo. Sebomai to endiaferon sas. Wstoso qa sas pw oti prokeitai gia mia diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai xronia twra, se mia prospaqeia na sygklinoyn oi oikonomies twn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn. Oi isxyroteroi h oi eisforeis -opws legontai- syneisferoyn perissotera xrhmata, ews otoy fqasoyme se ekeino to shmeio opoy oles oi xwres-melh ths E.E. qa exoyn ena epipedo zwhs gia toys polites toys sto ychlotero dynato baqmo, opws symbainei hdh me tis xwres poy einai eisforeis. Ara, loipon, otan mia xwra, opws h dikh mas, poy den exei fqasei akoma ston koinotiko meso oro, katafernei na epityxei ayto poy petyxe thn perasmenh Paraskeyh stis Bryjelles, dhladh -paroti meiwqhke to synolo toy posoy gia ton proypologismo- na diathrhsei ta posa ekeina poy eixe epityxei kai ton Ioynio, tote nomizw oti aytonohta xarakthrizetai epityxia.

BLAXOS: Prin apo ligo o k. Alogoskoyfhs se mia koinh ekdhlwsh me ton k. Sioyfa, otan o teleytaios toy eipe ``tyxere qa diaxeiristeis ta nea kondylia'', o k. Allgoskoyfhs eipe ``den jerw ean qa eimai egw''. Yparxei kati poy prepei na maqoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, den gnwrizw to dialogo. Sebomai to dialogo kaqe fora, poy metaferei opoiosdhpote sthn aiqoysa ayth, wstoso, qa moy epitrecete na mhn sxoliasw me aformh ayto poy moy metaferete, oti akoysate se mia ekdhlwsh.

BLAXOS: Yparxei qema metaphdhshs toy k. Alogoskoyfh se allo kybernhtiko posto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parapempw stis apanthseis poy exw dwsei mexri twra giati einai eyqews analoges me tis erwthseis peri anasxhmatismoy.

BLAXOS: To afhnete anoikto, me ayto poy lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa: Parapempw stis apanthseis poy exw dwsei sta erwthmata peri anasxhmatismoy.

BLAXOS: Den to syndyazw me ton anasxhmatismo. Rwtw ean yparxei skech sygkekrimena gia ton k. Alogoskoyfh. Kamia sxesh me ton anasxhmatismo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kamia sygkekrimenh skech, gia ton sygkekrimeno ypoyrgo na ginei opoiadhpote allagh. Ayto poy epanalambanw einai oti ta peri anasxhmatismoy exoyn apanthqei polles fores. Fantazomoyn oti qa eixate koyrastei na me rwtate.

KOTARIDHS: H syzygos toy Bretanoy Prwqypoyrgoy k. S. Mpler symfwna me plhrofories analambanei ypoqeseis, mesw toy dikhgorikoy ths grafeioy, yperaspishs Bretanwn poy exoyn agorasei akinhtes perioysies sta Katexomena kai twra briskontai sta eyrwpaikh dikasthria. Exete kapoio sxolio gi ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw thn ypoqesh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta thn ypoqesh toy k. Mantoybaloy, poy ferontan anamemeigmenos sta paradikastika kyklwmata, ena akoma stelexos toy kybernwntos kommatos, ayth th fora yfypoyrgos, o k. Andreoylakos, feretai kai aytos na einai anamemeigmenos sta paradikastika kyklwmata. Symfwna me thn kataqesh toy dikhgoroy k. Emmanoyhlidh, poy exei sth diaqesh ths h efhmerida ``to Prwto Qema'', kataqesh ston eisaggelea k. Siderh, emplekei amesa ton k. Andreoylako, mesw toy synergath toy dikhgoroy k. Gabala gia xrhmata ta opoia -ypotiqetai oti eprepe na krathqoyn gia thn apofylakish pelath kai gia thn opoia den yparxoyn parastatika. Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo th meria ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw oti yparxei analytikh kai plhrhs apanthsh toy k. Andreoylakoy.

KAKALHS: H frash ``petyxame oloys toys stoxoys mas'', einai mia frash poy teinei na katastei monimh epwdos stis topoqethseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, meta apo tis Synodoys Koryfhs stis Bryjelles, to eipe proxqes, to eixe pei kai ton perasmeno Dekembrh sthn entajiakh poreia ths Toyrkias, paraligo na to pei kai ton Ioynio, alla odhghse se nayagio. Ekeino poy qelw na rwthsw einai to ejhs: Poioys stoxoys petyxainei o Prwqypoyrgos, otan ek twn proterwn den jerei o ellhnikos laos, poioi einai aytoi oi stoxoi. Alla, kaqe fora poy leme, prosdioriste toys stoxoys ths kybernhshs, lete oti eimaste sth fash twn diapragmateysewn kai den einai swsto na poyme poioi einai oi stoxoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, omws, gnwrizete ton Ioynio eixame petyxei ena poso ths tajews twn 20 dis eyrw. H syzhthsh nayaghse, oxi mono gia thn Ellada, alla gia oles tis xwres ths E.E. Otan, ton Dekembrio ayto to poso ginetai 20 dis 101 ek. eyrw, antilambaneste oti o stoxos epeteyxqh apolytws. Ara, ena praktiko paradeigma sto erwthma sas, ws apanthsh, einai arketo.

KAKALHS: H Ellada phre 20% ligotero apo oti sto G` KPS. H Portogalia phre molis 7% ligotera, enw exei ton idio plhqysmo kai sxedon to idio epipedo anaptyjhs. Pws to ejhgeite ayto to gegonos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora thn Portogalia gnwrizete oti ta pragmata den einai etsi opws ta lete. Yparxei megalh diafora. Gia paradeigma, sas lew merikoys ariqmoys:

H eqnikh eyhmeria ths Portogalias brisketai sto 74,1% toy koinotikoy mesoy oroy. H antistoixh ths Elladas brisketai sto 81,6%. Ayto einai ena poly shmantiko stoixeio poy deixnei tis diafores twn dyo oikonomiwn. Ena deytero stoixeio einai oti h Portogalia, apo th Synodo Koryfhs toy Berolinoy to 1999, alla kai apo th Synodo Koryfhs twn Bryjellwn to 2003, eixe perilabei ton agrotiko tomea, gia paradeigma, ws tomea me eidika problhmata, ws xwra poy eixe eidika problhmata sta agrotika zhthmata. Exoyme, amesws-amesws, dyo stoixeia. Ena trito kai shmantiko stoixeio -shmantikotero kai apo ta dyo prohgoymena- einai h proetoimasia poy eixe ginei. H Portogalia to 2003 poy yphrxe to periqwrio se oles tis xwres poy hqelan na allajoyn tis perifereies toys, kai na frontisoyn wste na diarqrwqoyn diaforetika oi perifereies, to ekane. H Ellada dystyxws den to eixe kanei. Para tis dyskoles aytes synqhkes, h xwra mas petyxe ayto to poso poy qewreitai apo oloys poly megalh epityxia. Kai otan lew apo oloys, ennow kai apo alles xwres ths E.E. Endexomenws parakoloyqhsate ta dieqnh diktya h tis megales efhmerides, eidika sthn Agglia, opoy oi titloi htan ``o pragmatikos nikhths'' kai katw apo th frash ayth, ``htan h Ellada''.

MOYRTHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw ean to poso symmetoxhs ths Elladas sto neo koinotiko proypologismo paramenei idio h exei elattwqei h exei ayjhqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai to pososto, alla mporw na to brw kai na sas to pw.

PEPONHS: Mia dieykrinish qa hqela: Giati h Sterea Ellada kai to Notio Aigaio exoyn symmetoxh 15%, opws eipate. Paei analoga me to deikth anaptyjhs ths xwras h ths perioxhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa mporoysate na parete aformh apo ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws, oti dhladh, eixe ginei diaforetikh diarqrwtikh domh twn perifereiwn. Wstoso, gia na lyqei h aporia, nomiza oti einai safes ayto poy eipa. Exoyme megalyterh ayjhsh giati eixame 50% sth Sterea Ellada kai sto Notio Aigaio, enw twra to pososto anhlqe sto 85%. Dhladh, sta 100 eyrw, prwta plhrwne ta 50 h E.E. kai ta 50 proerxontan apo eqnikoys poroys. Twra 85 proerxontai apo thn E.E. kai 15 apo eqnikoys poroys. Dhladh, meiwnetai to poso poy syneisferei h Ellada sta koinotika programmata. Ayto shmainei oti exoyme megalyteres eykairies, megalyteres dynatothtes na aplwqoyn, afenos perissotera programmata -giati otan to poso poy plhrwneis ws eqnikh enisxysh einai mikrotero sigoyra exeis th dynatothta na plhrwseis perissotera xrhmata se perissotera programmata- kai afeteroy ta ofelh, ayta dhladh poy ejoikonomeis ta strefeis se alles anaptyjiakes drasthriothtes.

PEPONHS: Giati, epilegontai aytes oi dyo perioxes san prwtes. Ayto rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anefera to paradeigma gia tis dyo perioxes poy htan sto 50% kai anhlqan sto 85% gia na katadeijw th megalh wfeleia poy exoyme apo ayth thn enarmonish sto 85% koinotikoi poroi kai 15% eqnikoi poroi.

PEPONHS: H Hpeiros poy qewreitai h pio ypobaqmismenh perioxh, se ti pososto einai h symmetoxh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Stis perissoteres perifereies pleon h symmetoxh einai sto 85%.

TSIODRAS: Ean yparxei aithma apo ton k. Xristodoylo gia synanthsh me ton Karamanlh kai poia einai h apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

TSIODRAS: O k. Kaklamanhs eipe oti prepei h oikonomikh mas politikh na einai ligotero ypakoyh apenanti stis Bryjelles. Prepei poy kai poy na leme oxi, eidika sto asfalistiko kai sthn koinwnikh politikh. Poia einai h qesh sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete den yparxei qema asfalistikoy.

TSIODRAS: Sto an qa prepei na eimaste ypakoyoi apenanti sthn koinwnikh Eyrwph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia seira desmeysewn poy exei kaqe xwra sthn E.E. kai oi opoies anelhfqhsan me thn ypografh ths Symfwnias entajhs. Apo ekei kai pera h koinwnikh eyaisqhsia einai ena diarkes zhtoymeno gia oles tis xwres ths E.E. Apo thn pleyra ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs o Prwqypoyrgos stis parembaseis poy exei kanei, stis Synodoys Koryfhs poy exei labei meros, alla kai stis dimereis synomilies poy exei me Prwqypoyrgoys h alloys hgetes ths E.E., qetei to qema ths koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, kyriws gia ofelos twn lawn ths Eyrwphs, gia ofelos ths ideas ths Enwmenhs Eyrwphs.

TSIODRAS: H trith afora sto nomo gia th sygkentrwsh twn MME. Eixate pei oti mexri to telos toy xronoy qa jekinhsei dialogos. Ean eiste etoimos kai pote blepete ayto to dialogo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exw anakoinwsei hdh apo thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, oti arxizei apo thn Tetarth 20.12, stis 09:00, sthn parakeimenh aiqoysa.

SPYRAKH: Ti mas symboyleyete na kanoyme ta Xristoygenna; Na meinoyme sthn Aqhna h na fygoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai giati prepei na parembw sto diko sas proswpiko programma.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na rwthsw eyqews: Yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy mesa stis giortes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei polles fores. Nomiza oti qa eixate koyrastei na me rwtate.

SIDERHS: O k. Kolin Paoyel ejeplaghn me thn ekplhjh twn Eyrwpaiwn hgetwn gia tis aerometafores. Eseis jerate h den jerate; Giati o k. Paoyel eipe oti oi eyrwpaioi filoi toy hjeran.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema exei apanthqei kai apo mena edw kai apo toys synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

SIDERHS: Giati oi dhlwseis eginan meta apo esas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixame na poyme gia to qema, exei eipwqei.

SIDERHS: Den exete pei tipota.

SARANTAKOS: O k. Panagiwtopoylos se synenteyjh toy sto ``BHMA THS KYRIAKHS'' leei eyqews oti o diorismos toy k. Oikonomopoyloy ston OEK eixe egkriqei apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo kai th Boylh ypainissomenos oysiastika oti kai gnwrize o k. Karamanlhs kai h Boylh kai den exei mono ekeinos thn eyqynh, opws ki eseis eipate kai an den kanw laqos kai o k. Meimarakhs, alla thn eyqynh thn exei kai h Boylh kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Poio einai to sxolio sas gi` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai gi` ayto to qema, o,ti htan na eipwqei, eipwqhke.

SARANTAKOS: Epimenete sth dhlwsh sas oti oi eyqynes pleon anhkoyn ston Ypoyrgo, opws eipate kai sthn thleoptikh sas synenteyjh apo th stigmh poy diorizete thn eyqynh sto xwro toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS:Symplhrwnete fraseis sth dhlwsh moy. Den htan akribws etsi. O,ti eixe na eipwqei, eipwqhke.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh exoyme to neo dedomeno apo ton k. Panagiwtopoylo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: O,ti eixe na eipwqei gi` ayth thn ypoqesh eipwqhke.

BLAXOS: O k. Panagiwtopoylos einai ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs; Paramenei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Kakalhs exei na kanei erwthsh, o k. Blaxos exei na kanei sxolio ap` o,ti katalaba.

BLAXOS: Rwthsa an einai ypoyrgos. Giati otan lete oti yparxei politikh eyqynh toy ypoyrgoy kai o ypoyrgos leei oti yparxei politikh eyqynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy, me olo to sebasmo sto proswpo sas, na pw oti to erwthma sas den synadei me th syzhthsh poy kanoyme sthn aiqoysa. Ti paei na pei an paramenei; Fysika. Yparxei kapoios poy den einai Ypoyrgos ayth th stigmh apo toys hdh yparxontes;

BLAXOS: Rwtame gia na jeroyme.

KAKALHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia tis 5 mystikes symfwnies poy symfwna me shmerino dhmosieyma enekrinan oi ypoyrgoi Eswterikwn kai Dikaiosynhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs sthn teleytaia synodo toys kai den enhmerwqhkan oyte kan oi Prwqypoyrgoi sth Synodo Koryfhs twn ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn; Me aytes tis mystikes symfwnies anatiqentai yperejoysies stis mystikes yphresies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn eipwqei polla pragmata gi` ayto to qema. Gnwrizete pws oti ginetai, ginetai nomima kai me apolyto sebasmo sto Syntagmatiko mas kanona. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

KAKALHS: Gia tis symfwnies aytes kaqaytes an exete kapoio sxolio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi anakoinwseis poy exoyn ginei mexri twra, kalyptoyn to qema.

SPYRAKH: Se sxesh me thn periptwsh ths ONNED qa hqela na sas pw oti oi plhrofories apo to reportaz lene oti olh ayth h syzhthsh den afora mono paidia apo thn ONNED gia th dhmioyrgia mh kybernhtikwn organwsewn gia xrhmatodothsh apo to kratos alla se aytes emplekontai kai panepisthmiakoi kai oti olo ayto to systhma einai mia antiparaqesh en ocei twn bretanikwn eklogwn. Exei perielqei ypoch ths kybernhshs ti akribws symbainei se ayth thn periptwsh; Dhladh, aytes tis alles parametroys tis gnwrizei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na ypeiselqw se diafores ypoqeseis. Sas eipa poia einai h qesh toy OPAP, opws allwste exei dhlwqei dhmosiws. H ONNED exei ekdwsei th dikh ths anakoinwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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