Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-12-16

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 16 Dekembrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn Dioklhtianoi sth Boylh;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba ti ennoeite.

SIDERHS: Exei bgalei mia anakoinwsh h Iera Synodo. Den mporei na mhn thn exete diabasei, poy mila gia boyleytes Dioklhtianoys, epeidh qeloyn to xwrismo Ekklhsias-kratoys. Qewreite oti einai kataptysth mia tetoia anakoinwsh, estw ki an den thn jerete, etsi opws sas to metaferw egw;

ANTWNAROS: Den sas eipa oti den th gnwrizw. Sth Dhmokratia sebomaste oloi toys qesmoys kai thn eleyqeria ekfrashs. O dialogos einai eleyqeros. Oi apoceis, opws gnwrizete, ekfrazontai me eleyqeria.

SIDERHS: Einai eleyqeria ekfrashs na paromoiazontai boyleytes me to sfagea twn Xristianwn;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Den moy apanthsate.

BLAXOS: Einai eleyqeria sto na stamatoyn dyo astynomikoys sth mesh toy dromoy, na mhn mporoyn oi astynomikoi na antistaqoyn, me apotelesma na toys paroyn kai to oplo; Yparxei telika Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Eikosi enantion dyo einai mia poly anish anametrhsh.

KYRITSHS: To eikosi enantion dyo einai mia poly anish anametrhsh; En genei mporoyme na to epikalestoyme se kaqe periptwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Edwsa apanthsh sto sygkekrimeno qema gia to opoio rwthqhka.

KYRITSHS: A! Sto sygkekrimeno.

ANTWNAROS: Fysika. Den qa genikeyete tis apanthseis moy.

SIDERHS: Thn allh fora poy toys eixan kacei to ban twn astynomikwn kai eixa pei an einai ayth h Astynomia ekpaideymenh, moy eixate pei kati sympaqhtika gia toys anqrwpoys poy dinoyn th zwh toys gia to kaqhkon kai ola ayta. Meta apo to ban, toys ekacan proxqes ena aytokinhto. Twra, toys phran to pistoli. Den ftaite eseis, alla kanei kati h kybernhsh gia na ekpaideytei ayth h Astynomia, giati enteinetai h anasfaleia twn politwn me mia tetoia Astynomia.

ANTWNAROS: Proxqes, o k. Boylgarakhs ekane ep` aytoy sygkekrimenh dhlwsh. Qa hqela na pw oti prokeitai gia mia katastash poy antimetwpisthke leica, poly leica apo tis prohgoymenes kybernhseis. H shmerinh kybernhsh exei kai th boylhsh kai thn apofasistikothta na antimetwpisei apotelesmatika th drash twn legomenwn ``koykoyloforwn'' poy apoteloyn exqroys toy dhmokratikoy politeymatos, ths tajhs kai ths asfaleias twn politwn. Oi ``koykoyloforoi'' epidiwkoyn thn anataraxh gia toys dikoys toys logoys, mia anataraxh poy strefetai -opws oloi gnwrizete kai fysika eimai sigoyros oti symfwneite me ayth thn apoch- kata toy koinwnikoy synoloy poy toys exei apomonwsei.

KAKALHS: Anakalycame, dhladh, twra stoys agnwstoys koykoyloforoys ton eswteriko exqro; Den einai ligo periergo na brisketai enan eswteriko exqro xwris na ton prosdiorizete; Na einai krymmenos pisw apo maskes;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, kanw sygkekrimenh anafora. Perimenete kai qa deite apotelesmata.

BLAXOS: Pantws, eseis ws kybernhsh, arnhqhkate prosfata na dwsete kapoia xrhmata stoys astynomikoys kai den anagnwrisate to epikindyno toy epaggelmatos toys.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn ginei ryqmiseis kai parakalw na enhmerwqeite gi` aytes.

BLAXOS: Exw enhmerwqei. Ayta poy doqhkan htan tipota. Oysiastika toys koroideyete.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn ginei sygkekrimenes ryqmiseis, oi opoies einai sta plaisia twn desmeysewn ths kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws yparxei leykh apergia twn astynomikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Emena rwtate; Rwthste toys idioys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An exei kapoia plhroforia h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia tetoia endeijh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eida xqes ena site aytwn twn anarxikwn kai lene oti den phrame emeis kanena oplo kai oti einai probokatsia ths Astynomias.

ANTWNAROS: E! Kala twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti; Den yparxei se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh h topoqethsh sas ``perimenete kai qa deite apotelesmata'' akoysthke ligaki apeilhtikh kai den to katalaba, ennoeite oti qa entaqoyn ta metra asfaleias h qa doqoyn kapoia kinhtra, estw kai oikonomika, stoys astynomikoys, prokeimenoy na yparjei kalyterh asfaleia twn politwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ennow oti oi prospaqeies poy ginontai qa einai apotelesmatikes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me poio tropo; Ayto prospaqw na katalabw. Sas rwthsa kati sygkekrimeno. Qa entaqoyn ta metra asfaleias; Qa yparjei kalyterh fylajh; Qa doqoyn kinhtra stoys astynomikoys, prokeimenoy na kanoyn kalytera th doyleia toys h na mhn afoplizontai toso eykola se mia anish anametrhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti oi astynomikoi den afoplisthkan eykola.

TSIODRAS: Milhsate gia prospaqeies, oi opoies qa exoyn apotelesmata. Mporeite na mas peite se ti pragma aforoyn aytes oi prospaqeies; Se poia kateyqynsh qa einai;

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas dinw to geniko perigramma. Gia leptomereies, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

KYRITSHS: Xqes to brady, sta Ejarxeia -hmoyn aytopths martyras- h Astynomia ekkenwne oloklhra kafeneia, toys ebgaze sto dromo kai ekane prosagwges. Epeidh kanoyme mia koybenta peri Dhmokratias, ayto dhladh einai Dhmokratia;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai fysika na sxoliasw ta dika sas sxolia.

KYRITSHS: Tosh wra sxolia kanete gi` ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na kanw tis topoqethseis poy egw prokrinw.

KYRITSHS: Oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Otan xreiazetai na ginoyn prosagwges, qa ginoyn.

KYRITSHS: Oloklhra magazia;

KOTTARIDHS: Ena apo ta metra poy qa labei h kybernhsh gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy problhmatos, qa einai na mpainei se kafeteries h Astynomia to brady kai na bgazei ton kosmo ejw kai na ton elegxei;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na egine ayto poy moy metaferete. Gnwrizw oti h Astynomia, otan xreiazetai, prepei na kanei th doyleia ths.

BLAXOS: Lete ``perimenete kai qa deite apotelesmata''. Rwtw, toso kairo giati den kanate aytes tis energeies; Ti perimenate;

ANTWNAROS: Giati ayta ta pragmata, otan exei prohghqei mia poly leich antimetwpish diaforwn katastasewn apaiteitai xronos, wste ayta ta pragmata na epanadiorganwqoyn se orqh bash.

BLAXOS: Dyo xronia, dhladh, gia thn epanadiorganwsh;

TSIODRAS: Milhsate gia prospaqeies, gia na antimetwpistoyn problhmata. O stoxos den exw katalabei poios einai. Einai oi koykoyloforoi;

ANTWNAROS: Einai na enisxyqei to aisqhma asfaleias twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KAKALHS: To pneyma twn topoqethsewn sas shmera edw, mas qymizei thn protroph toy Mhtsotakh to 1993 pros toys xwrofylakes, genikotera toys astynomikoys, oti eseis eiste to kratos.

ANTWNAROS: Oi topoqethseis moy den qymizoyn tipote ap` ola ayta.

KAKALHS: Prosferete plhrh kalych se oles tis meqodoys ths astynomias. Ayto kanete shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi bebaia. Eipa oti opoy epitrepetai kai problepetai apo to nomo, h astynomia qa dra se ayta ta plaisia. Den gnwrizw tis meqodoys tis opoies epikaleiste kai den mporei h mnhmh moy na paei kai toso pisw. Milaw gia shmera, kai ayto einai poy metraei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Edw kai arketoys mhnes, panw apo xrono, akoyw oti qa mpei o astyfylakas ths geitonias. Pote qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston armodio Ypoyrgo.

KOTTARIDHS: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite xronika, pote qa anadiorganwqei to systhma wste na yparxoyn apotelesmata;

ANTWNAROS: To armodio Ypoyrgeio qa sas parasxei asfalws tis leptomereies poy epiqymeite.

BLAXOS: Ara, na mhn kanete enhmerwsh, na phgainoyme sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Giati apanthsate prohgoymenws sto qema toy Xristodoyloy; Htan armodio to Ypoyrgeio Paideias. Ara na katarghsoyme thn enhmerwsh. Ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Pote den eipa, oyte asfalws ypainixqhka kan kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: O astyfylakas ths geitonias htan Prwqypoyrgikh desmeysh kai ejaggelia. Kai o k. Boylgarakhs einai melos mias kybernhshs thn opoia eseis ekproswpeite. Ara, prepei na apanthsete.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw thn erwthsh sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eipate oti oi koykoyloforoi epidiwkoyn anataraxh. Na mas ejhghsete poies plhrofories exete peri ths anataraxhs, an exete kapoia stoixeia sygkekrimena gia to ti epidiwkoyn kai oti h kybernhsh epishs me apofasistikothta qa antimetwpisei ayta ta fainomena.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei kamia amfibolia oti ayta ta opoia kanoyn -me ton emprhsmo enos astynomikoy aytokinhtoy proxqes, me thn epiqesh enantion twn dyo astynomikwn, me th dhmioyrgia twn entypwsewn katastrefontas aytokinhta- prospaqoyn na prokalesoyn mia anataraxh; Ayto einai hlioy faeinotero.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Yparxei periptwsh na ginei kai allagh sto nomoqetiko plaisio se sygkekrimenes periptwseis, giati kata kairoys exoyme dei syllhceis.

ANTWNAROS: Allo oi prosagwges kai allo oi syllhceis.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Nai, alla oi syllhceis exoyn ena apotelesma, to opoio den to exoyme dei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw: Allo prosagwges kai allo syllhceis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyme kati teleytaio apo Bryjeles;

ANTWNAROS: H diapragmateysh synexizetai. Brisketai se poly lepto stadio. Kaqe problech gia thn ekbash toys ayth th stigmh qa htan parakindyneymenh. O Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs, o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Molybiaths kai ola ta alla melh ths Ellhnikhs antiproswpeias, poy briskontai stis Bryjeles, exoyn synexeis epafes me omologoys toys apo alles xwres, antallassontas apoceis kai idees gia thn anazhthsh mias koina apodekths lyshs. Kata thn apoch ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs -einai allwste kati poy exoyme janapei- yparxoyn dyo toylaxiston shmantikoi logoi, gia toys opoioys qa prepei na katablhqei kaqe prospaqeia, wste na ejeyreqei mia kalh -kai to ypogrammizw, mia kalh- lysh sto qema toy proypologismoy. Prwton, giati oi ekroes kai oi plhrwmes aforoyn thn pleionothta twn xwrwn ths Eyrwphs kai deyteron, giati mia akomh apotyxia qa dhmioyrghsei akomh perissoteroys problhmatismoys gia to mellon ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, stoys polites twn 25 kratwn - melwn.

KAKALHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw se o,ti afora to qema ths xrhsimopoihshs aerodromiwn ths xwras kai allwn kratwn - melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs apo aeroplana ths CIA, exoyme kainoyria stoixeia kaqws shmera o RIZOSPASTHS apokalyptei oti sth symfwnia Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs - HPA poy ypografthke epi ellhnikhs proedrias, to 2003, yparxei diatajh poy epitrepei th metafora - transit ypoptwn gia tromokratia ek meroys twn HPA mesa apo ta aerodromia twn kratwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Meta apo ayta ta kainoyria dedomena, mhpws htan ligo proxeirh h ereyna poy eixe kanei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, opws eixate anaferei kai deyteron, mhpws exei efarmostei ola ayta ta xronia kai h kybernhsh isws to agnoei;

ANTWNAROS: H ereyna h opoia eixe ginei anaferotan se symfwnia gia thn opoia me eixate rwthsei thn Trith, meta to briefing, poy feretai na exei synafqei ton Ianoyario toy 2003. H apanthsh poy sas edwsa ejakoloyqei na isxyei. H symfwnia thn opoia anaferei o RIZOSPASTHS shmera, einai mia allh symfwnia. Einai toy Ioynioy toy 2003. H en logw symfwnia einai dhmosieymenh apo tis 19/07/2003 se sites ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai malista sthn ellhnikh glwssa. Parakalw na diabasete th symfwnia ayth h opoia milaei gia thn katapolemhsh toy egklhmatos me apotelesmatikotero tropo etsi wste na prostateysoyn tis antistoixes dhmokratikes koinwnies toys, ennoei oi xwres ths Eyrwphs kai twn HPA. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio panw s` ayth th symfwnia. Epeidh shmera to prwi eida to sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma, an qelete, qa frontisw na syllejw perissoteres plhrofories kata th diarkeia ths hmeras kai na sas enhmerwsw.

SIDERHS: Poios qa orisei ti einai to egklhma; Eipate gia thn katapolemhsh toy egklhmatos. Kata toys Amerikanoys kaqe epanastaths, kaqe antarths toy tritoy kosmoy, einai egklhmatias.

ANTWNAROS: Opws antilambaneste eimai o teleytaios anqrwpos poy qa epixeiroysa edw na kanw mia nomikh analysh mias polyplokhs symfwnias poy exoyn ypogracei oi xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai oi HPA.

SIDERHS: Allo hqela na pw, oti h proedreyoysa Ellada den frontise na diasfalisei nomika wste na mh diwketai to politiko egklhma kai o politikos xarakthras kapoiwn prajewn.

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw den yparxei genika paradektos orismos tetoiwn prajewn. Allwste, milame gia egklhmatikes energeies.

BLAXOS: Na sas bohqhsw na orisete to egklhma. Einai egklhma to gegonos oti eisebalan amerikanikes dynameis sto Irak, enw eixan lanqasmena stoixeia kai skotwqhkan aqwoi polites;

ANTWNAROS: Ep` aytoy ekana sxolio xqes. Den prokeitai na epanelqw sto idio qema.

BLAXOS: Ennow ean kata th dikh sas apoch einai egklhma.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei oti oi proswpikes apoceis moy den exoyn qesh se ayth thn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: Gia emena paizei megalo rolo h dikh sas apoch. Qelw na th maqw.

ANTWNAROS: Mporei na paizei, alla egw den briskomai edw ws atomo, alla ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos.

KYRITSHS: Mia dieykrinish: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den yparxei politiko egklhma;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa oti den yparxei genika apodektos orismos, ej oswn gnwrizw, toy politikoy egklhmatos. Alla, kai pali ekfrazw th sygkekrimenh apoch me megalh semnothta, dioti sas eipa oti den eimai eidikos gia na mporw na ekferw apoceis epi toy qematos.

BLAXOS: Emas den mas qewreite pantws egklhmaties, etsi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Briskomaste se ayth thn aiqoysa sthn koinh prospaqeia poy aposkopei sto na ejasfalisei thn enhmerwsh ths koinhs gnwmhs me ton kalytero dynato tropo.

LEONTITSH: Apo ayth th symfwnia kata ths tromokratias, sthn opoia anaferqhkate, synagetai oti einai nomimh h dieleysh twn aeroskafwn ths CIA sta eyrwpaika aerodromia; Kai ean einai nomimh, tote pws den exoyn katagrafei oi dieleyseis, oi prosgeiwseis sth xwra mas;

ANTWNAROS: Den synagw apolytws tipota. Den eimai se qesh na ermhneysw th symfwnia. Epeidh diabasa to dhmosieyma toy ``Rizospasth'' shmera to prwi, frontisame oi synergates moy kai egw na cajoyme na broyme to keimeno ths symfwnias. Exw aplws to keimeno. Den exw tipote allo, peran aytoy. Gi ayto kai sas eipa na moy epitrecete na ereynhsw, kata th diarkeia ths hmeras -opws allwste egine kai proxqes me erwthsh toy k. Kakalh- kai na sas enhmerwsw.

KOTARIDHS: Meta kai th xqesinh synenteyjh Typoy tessarwn Pakistanwn, oi opoioi dhlwnoyn oti eixan apaxqei apo Ellhnes kai jenoys mystikoys praktores, isxyei akoma h dhlwsh toy k. Boylgarakh oti ola ayta einai probokatsia kai oti oydepote synebhsan.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota allo se osa exei pei o k. Boylgarakhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Paroti h kybernhsh apedide para polla sto nomosxedio gia tis DEKO kai kyriws se ayto to epimaxo arqro 14, eidame thn antidrash toso apo thn pleyra ths GSEE, apo ton k. Polyzwgopoylo, oso kai apo ton SEB, apo ton k. Kyriakopoylo. Sthn oysia eipan amfoteroi oti qa meinei sta xartia, opws synebh polles fores sto parelqon. Ti exete na peite kat arxas gi ayto;

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh exei apodeijei sthn prajh oti oloi oi nomoi, poy exoyn chfistei apo th Boylh, kata th diarkeia ayths ths diakybernhshs, efarmozontai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy pali. Qewreite oti yparxei sympleysh toy SEB kai ths GSEE apenanti sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw kanena tetoio sxolio.

BLAXOS: Pws efarmozontai oloi; Afoy o nomos gia ton basiko metoxo den efarmozetai.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete megalo laqos. Ayth einai mia poly proxeirh -qa elega- proseggish. O basikos metoxos eixe mia makra diadromh. Kai sas ypenqymizw oti sta plaisia ayths ths diadromhs, chfisthke sthn telikh toy morfh o nomos, ton opoio apokaleite ``basiko metoxo''.

LEONTITSH: Me dedomeno oti to 1999 h Ellada phre 25 dis apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, shmera poio qa einai to plafon twn xrhmatwn gia na dhlwsei h kybernhsh ikanopoihmenh;

ANTWNAROS: H diapragmateysh, opws sas eipa, brisketai se para poly lepto kai eyaisqhto shmeio. Kamia ypeyqynh kybernhsh -kai fysika oyte h dikh mas- den kanei ayth th stigmh anafores h probleceis se sygkekrimena posa. Qa perimenoyme, loipon, thn ekbash ths diapragmateyshs gia na doyme akribws poia qa einai ta posa poy qa analogoyn, efoson yparxei symfwnia, sth xwra mas.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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