Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-12-15

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Aqhna, 15 Dekembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos brisketai, apo shmera to prwi stis Bryjelles prokeimenoy na metasxei sth Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. To meshmeri qa metasxei sth Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos. Stis 18.00, topikh wra, qa synanthqei me ton Proedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy, prin apo thn enarjh twn ergasiwn ths Synodoy toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, h opoia exei programmatistei gia tis 18.45. Oi diaboyleyseis qa synexistoyn kai ayrio.

Arxise shmera sthn Aqhna dihmerh tetramerhs Diaskech me th symmetoxh ths Elladas, ths Toyrkias, toy Iran kai toy Pakistan. Antikeimeno ths Diaskechs, einai h antimetwpish ths laqrometanasteyshs, twn narkwtikwn kai toy organwmenoy egklhmatos genikotera. Epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs antiproswpeias einai o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs k. G. Boylgarakhs enw tis ypoloipes treis xwres ekproswpoyn oi kaq` ylhn armodioi ypoyrgoi Eswterikwn. H Diaskech ayth, poy exei megalh perifereiakh shmasia, pragmatopoieitai se synexeia ths epishmhs episkechs toy k. Boylgarakh, ton Maio toy 2005 sto Pakistan, opoy kai egine h prwth syzhthsh sxetika me thn anagkh tetrameroys synergasias se qemata katapolemhshs ths tromokratias, twn narkwtikwn, ths laqrometanasteyshs kai toy organwmenoy egklhmatos. Kata th diarkeia twn synomiliwn qa syzhthqoyn: Prwton, h anaptyjh apotelesmatikwn strathgikwn, gia thn apo koinoy antimetwpish ths laqrometanasteyshs kai idiaitera ths paranomhs diakinhshs anqrwpwn, ayto poy onomazetai dieqnws trafficking. Deyteron, h endynamwsh ths synergasias gia thn katapolemhsh twn narkwtikwn kai toy organwmenoy egklhmatos genikotera. Sth Diaskech, gia thn opoia yparxei proqesh na qesmoqethqei kai na epanalambanetai, metexoyn ws parathrhtes: O Dieyqynths Metanasteyshs, Asyloy kai Synorwn ths E.E., kaqws kai ekproswpoi ths bretanikhs Proedrias toy Symboylioy ths E.E., ths Frontex, enos neosystatoy organoy ths E.E., poy idryqhke to Maio toy 2005 kai edreyei sth Barsobia ths Polwnias, kai toy Dieqnoys Organismoy Metanasteyshs. Ayrio Paraskeyh stis 11.30, oi ypoyrgoi poy metexoyn sth Diaskech qa proboyn se dhlwseis sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, meta thn oloklhrwsh twn synomiliwn kai thn ypografh koinhs dhlwshs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Sto ``pazari'' Koryfhs poy arxizei to apogeyma stis Bryjelles, o Prwqypoyrgos me poia qesh proserxetai; Poio einai to orio dhladh, ta 20 dis eyrw poy eixe pei ton Ioynio, h to kalytero dynato gia ta ellhnika symferonta, dhladh, o,ti proaireisqe;

ANTWNAROS: Oi diapragmateyseis briskontai sto pio dyskolo, to pio lepto, to pio eyaisqhto shmeio toys. H ellhnikh antiproswpeia me epikefalhs ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Karamanlh qa dwsei, shmera kai ayrio, maxh gia thn proaspish twn eqnikwn mas symferontwn. Ayth th stigmh, ola einai reysta. Den mporei na problecei kapoios an kai poy qa kleisei mia symfwnia.

KAKALHS: Me poies qeseis proserxomaste, ayto rwthsa. Den rwthsa@

ANTWNAROS: Oi diapragmateytikes qeseis ths Elladas einai gnwstes. Tis exoyme paroysiasei kat` epanalhch. Ayth th stigmh, s` ayto to krisimo stadio ths diapragmateyshs, den exei nohma, na ypeiselqoyme se leptomereies poy ypainisseste. H qesh mas einai gnwsth.

BLAXOS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos, oti dyo ypoyrgoi, emfanisthkan me diaforetikes apoceis, qeseis kai mphxtes metajy toys. Anaferomai ston k. Boylgarakh kai ston k. Papalhgoyra, gia to peribohto qema twn syllhcewn Pakistanwn kai ths anakrishs toys. Alla eipe o k. Boylgarakhs, meta o k. Papalhgoyras eipe, egw molis to emaqa. Den enhmerwnontai metajy toys oi ypoyrgoi;

ANTWNAROS: Apo mia prosektikh anagnwsh twn anakoinwsewn prokyptei oti oi dyo ypoyrgoi eipan ta idia pragmata.

BLAXOS: Eipe o k. Boylgarakhs, oti xqes to emaqa egw;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn anakoinwsh thn opoia ejedwse proxqes, o k. Boylgarakhs eipe oti plhroforhqhke to symban thn perasmenh Trith, me th diabibash toy eggrafoy apo thn Eisaggelia Prwtodikwn sth Dieyqynsh Asfaleias. O de k. Papalhgoyras sthn anakoinwsh thn opoia ejedwse thn Tetarth, leei oti plhroforhqhke thn yparjh mhnysews thn Trith. Parakalw na diabasete prosektika tis anakoinwseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Telika qa yparjei peraiterw ereyna gia th diereynhsh twn kataggeliwn; Giati an den kanw laqos, enas ek twn dyo ypoyrgwn qewrei to qema lhjan.

ANTWNAROS: Sas diabazw apo thn anakoinwsh toy k. Papalhgoyra: ``Zhthsa apo ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy na paraggeilei th dienergeia ths ereynas kata apolyth proteraiothta wste na mhn apomeinei kamia skia kai kamia amfibolia gi` ayth thn ypoqesh''. Ayto den airei se tipote ayto poy eipe o k. Boylgarakhs, oti dhladh tetoio qema den yphrje, den yparxei kai den qa yparjei. H ereyna einai qema twn dikastikwn arxwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote sygnwmh, o k. Boylgarakhs se poio qema anaferotan oti den yfistatai tetoio qema, gia na katalabw. Den yfistatai qema syllhcewn ws pros to gegonos, h den yfistatai qema kataggeliwn pros diereynhsh; Den to exw dieykrinisei.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, eseis den to exete dieykrinisei@

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, to omologw.

ANTWNAROS: Alla nomizw oti ginetai safes apo tis anakoinwseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ti;

ANTWNAROS: Sas diabazw loipon allo apospasma apo thn anakoinwsh toy k. Boylgarakh: ``Qelw kathgorhmatika na diaceysw thn piqanothta biaihs prosagwghs kai anakrishs Pakistanwn yphkown poy diabioyn sthn Ellada''.

KOTARIDHS: Ara, h Dikaiosynh ti qa cajei;

ANTWNAROS: H Dikaiosynh asxoleitai me th diereynhsh mias kataggelias, h opoia egine.

SIDERHS: Kala, poy to jerei oti den eginan aytes oi syllhceis kai oi biaies prosagwges;

ANTWNAROS: H ektenhs anakoinwsh anaferei oles tis leptomereies. Parakalw na th diabasete.

TSIODRAS: Profanws, gia na jekinhsei h ereyna, yparxei kapoio qema. Alliws den qa yphrxe. Mhpws qa eprepe na perimenei h kybernhsh to apotelesma ths ereynas kai meta na apofanqei ti exei ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Ayth th stigmh to qema brisketai sto stadio ths dikastikhs diereynhshs. Den exw na pw tipote allo ep` aytoy.

KOTTARIDHS: Apo poioys egine h probokatsia sthn opoia anaferqhke xqes o k. Boylgarakhs; Apo toys Pakistanoys, apo toys Bretanoys, apo poioys;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, o k. Boylgarakhs, ej oswn blepw sthn anakoinwsh, leei: ``Oi opoies kataggelies, antimetwpizontai apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, ws endexomenws ypoptes kai skopimes''. Peran aytoy den exw na pw tipote allo. Endexomenws kai ayto qa einai antikeimeno ths eisaggelikhs ereynas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poioys ypopteyetai o k. Boylgarakhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai egw edw na parasyrqw se periptwsiologia kai synomwsiologia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O idios to leei. Den to leme emeis. Leei ``ypopto''. Dhladh gia na leei oti einai ypoptes, exei kapoies plhrofories, kapoioys ennoei .

ANTWNAROS: To qema, ayth th stigmh, exei parei to dromo ths dikastikhs diereynhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den rwthsate ton k. Boylgarakh, ti akribws ennoei, xrhsimopoiwntas th frash ``probokatsia'', gia na katalabw;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio ep` aytoy.

PEPONHS: Me th dhlwsh toy o k. Boylgarakhs symperilambanei kai thn EYP h mono thn Ellhnikh Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio epi ths dhlwsews toy k. Boylgarakh. To qema exei ejantlhqei.

KAKALHS: Yparxei ena zhthma ep` aytoy. Proxqes, milwntas s` ayth thn aiqoysa, ej onomatos malista twn ellhnikwn arxwn, eipate oti den exei ginei kamia epishmh kataggelia gia thn ypoqesh twn paranomwn apagwgwn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, oti ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs den eixa gnwsh epishmhs kataggelias.

KAKALHS: Den eipate ``den gnwrizw'', eipate ``kathgorhmatika kai ej onomatos olwn twn arxwn, oti den exei ginei kamia kataggelia''. Giati katafygate se ayth thn anakribeia kai deyteron, pws kleinei to qema etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Den diapistwnw kamia antifash anamesa se osa eipa egw kai se osa anaferoyn stis anakoinwseis toys o k. Papalhgoyras kai o k. Boylgarakhs. Se gnwsh twn ellhnikwn arxwn perihlqe h sygkekrimenh plhroforia thn Trith. To lene kai oi dyo ypoyrgoi.

KAKALHS: H plhrhs anafora eixe katateqei apo tis 29 Ioynioy. Kai eixe syzhthqei to qema kai sthn Boylh. Den katalabainw pws den eixate kamia epishmh kataggelia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Sas parapempw, allwste, stis dhlwseis toy k. Boylgarakh, oi opoies einai safeis. To qema exei apodynamwqei plhrws. As mhn diathroyme qemata poy den exoyn oysia.

SIDERHS: Exei anastatwqei olh h Eyrwph kai seis ``makarioi'' to kleinete etsi to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Exei anastatwqei h Eyrwph me to sygkekrimeno qema;

SIDERHS: Bebaia. Th sygkekrimenh praktikh twn Amerikanwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai se poies praktikes anafereste. Opoy yparxoyn qemata pros diereynhsh, sas diabebaiwnw, oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh, oi ellhnikes arxes, exoyn an mh ti allo, thn eyaisqhsia poy exete eseis, na ta caxnoyn, na ta ereynoyn kai na katalhgoyn se apotelesmata. Den mporei na eiste eseis o monos poy diaqetei ayth thn eyaisqhsia.

SIDERHS: Ma, den to cajate. Ayto einai to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Diabaste prosektika tis anakoinwseis.

BLAXOS: Exete diabasei to prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``PONTIKI'';

ANTWNAROS: Peite moy se ti anafereste.

BLAXOS: Anaferetai sth Synodo Koryfhs me ton k. Shmith, opoy oysiastika leei oti dwsame th dynatothta na prosgeiwnontai aeroplana se eyrwpaika aerodromia, ara kai se ellhnika, gia th metafora egklhmatiwn kai allwn anepiqymhtwn allodapwn. Kai to deytero, epi Karamanlh, 2000 peripoy Ellhnes, qa metexoyn s` ena swma ths E.E., poy qa pairnei eidikes apostoles. Profanws kai gia qemata antitromokratikhs drasthriothtas. Ayta exoyn anakoinwqei epishmws; Giati egw toylaxiston den ta gnwrizw.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas: Apo thn ereyna poy exei ginei sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, mexri stigmhs, den prokyptei h yparjh tetoias mystikhs h allhs symfwnias me ayto to periexomeno.

BLAXOS: Me allo periexomeno.

ANTWNAROS: Me ayto to periexomeno sto opoio anafereste.

BLAXOS: Gia thn ejyphrethsh aeroskafwn, milaw egw.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, epeidh ayto anaferetai se mia periodo poy ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, htan o shmerinos Arxhgos ths Antipoliteyshs k. Papandreoy, na apeyqynqeite se ekeinon gia perissoteres plhrofories. Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, oi sygkekrimenes ryqmiseis exoyn anakoinwqei dhmosia stis Bryjelles, otan elhfqhsan oi en logw apofaseis. Einai h apofash gia th dhmioyrgia twn legomenwn taktikwn sxhmatismwn apo tis xwres ths E.E. H kaqe xwra jexwrista exei th dynatothta h na metexei se tetoio sxhmatismo h na hgeitai enos tetoioy sxhmatismoy. H Ellada metexei, oson afora to amfibio skelos, se ena sxhmatismo, opoy metexoyn epishs h Ispania, h Italia kai h Portogalia. Einai de, h xwra mas epikefalhs sto legomeno balkaniko sxhmatismo. Se ayto to sxhmatismo (battle group) metexoyn, ektos ths Elladas, h Kypros kai oi ypo entajh xwres Boylgaria kai Roymania. Qa sas qymisw oti tote eixan ginei ekteneis anafores sta MME, dioti xarin twn prospaqeiwn poy eixe katabalei h ellhnikh pleyra, eixe perilhfqei sto sygkekrimeno gkroyp kai h Kypros. Prokeitai synepws gia gnwsta pragmata, ta opoia exoyn koinopoihqei apo kairo.

TSIODRAS: Qa epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema kai qelw na rwthsw an htan symptwmatikh h paradosh sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs thn Trith, ths sygkekrimenhs kataggelias.

ANTWNAROS: Htan symptwmatikh. Sas to eipe o k. Boylgarakhs me thn anakoinwsh toy.

KYRITSHS: An diapistwsa kala, petajate to mpalaki sthn erwthsh toy k. Blaxoy, ston k. Papandreoy, o opoios htan o prohgoymenos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Qelw na dieykrinisoyme to ejhs shmeio: Den yparxei kamia symfwnia metajy ths E.E. kai twn H.P.A. h opoia na egine thn periodo ths ellhnikhs Proedrias sthn Aqhna, h sth Xalkidikh kai na perilambanei ayta ta pragmata, h den gnwrizete na yparxei kryfh paragrafos; Ti apo ta dyo mas eipate;

ANTWNAROS: Egw anaferqhka se sygkekrimenh symfwnia thn opoia epikalesthke o k. Blaxos kai eixe anaferqei allwste kai se allh efhmerida proxqes.

KYRITSHS: H opoia den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Apo tis ereynes poy exoyn diejaxqei mexri twra, apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, poy einai kai to armodiws ypeyqyno, den prokyptei oti yparxei tetoia mystikh h gnwstopoihmenh mh mystikh symfwnia me ayto to periexomeno.

KYRITSHS: Opote h ellhnikh kybernhsh den anagnwrizei tetoioy eidoys ypoxrewsh.

BLAXOS: Poio einai to periexomeno poy anazhthsate; Eseis, omws, apokalyptete oti kanete ereyna. Me ti periexomeno kanate thn ereyna, ti zhtoysate na maqete apo ta arxeia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn; Kati zhtoysate. Kapoio kentrisma eixate, ejw apo thn erwthsh th dikh moy kai to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``PONTIKI''

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti proxqes, otan me rwthse synadelfos sas graptws toy edwsa proforikws, thn idia hmera, akribws thn idia apanthsh. Ayto htan to enaysma. To qema exei synepws apanthqei.

PASSISHS: H ``ESPRESSO'' grafei shmera oti h prwhn efeths Maria Margarith exei steilei epistolh sto Megaro Majimoy, sthn opoia anaferei to 1996 pelaths toy k. Andreoylakoy eixe prospaqhsei na thn xrhmatisei. Hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos exei zhthsei ejhghseis apo ton k. Andreoylako gi ayth thn ypoqesh.

ANTWNAROS: Sto Megaro Majimoy katafqanoyn polles epistoles. Den exw ypoch moy th sygkekrimenh epistolh kai to sygkekrimeno qema sto opoio anafereste. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

PEPONHS: Qa mporoysame na poyme oti einai symptwmatikh h anakinhsh toy qematos apo BBC thn periodo ayth poy ginetai h 4merhs diaskech sthn opoia symmetexei kai to Pakistan; Kai deyteron, qa dwsei kapoia ejhghsh o k. Boylgarakhs stoys Pakistanoys;

ANTWNAROS: Poia ejhghsh na dwsei o k. Boylgarakhs kai se poioys Pakistanoys; O k. Boylgarakhs synanthqhke xqes me ton presbh toy Pakistan sthn Aqhna, o opoios toy eipe oti kamia tetoia kataggelia den exei ypoblhqei sthn presbeia kai den toy einai gnwsto kanena paromoio peristatiko. Synepws, den yparxei tetoio qema. Eipa kai prin oti h tetramerhs synanthsh, poy ginetai sthn Aqhna, exei ws parathrhtes kai ekproswpoys ths E.E. kai ekproswpoys ths bretanikhs Proedrias. Ayto ta leei ola. Den einai kati poy ginetai sta kryfa h enantia sthn politikh boylhsh ths E.E.

KYRITSHS: Oi mystikes yphresies metexoyn se ayth thn diaskech;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa poioi metexoyn.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na pas peite poia einai h epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos ths N.D. sto xqesino chfisma toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy gia to genikeymeno fakelwma twn thlefwnikwn synomiliwn kai toy Internet, giati emfanisthkan trixotomhmenoi oi eyrwboyleytes ths N.D.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh apo thn arxh ths sygkekrimenhs syzhthshs sta eyrwpaika organa parenebh me apofasistikothta. O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Papalhgoyras eixe epishmanei -kai ayto einai gnwsto- se oles tis ypoyrgikes syskeceis thn anagkh na antimetwpistei to qema me nhfaliothta kai me tropo poy qa ejasfalizei thn ejisorrophsh metajy twn agaqwn afenos ths eleyqerias kai afeteroy ths asfaleias, lambanontas ypoch taytoxrona kai ta aitia poy prokaloyn dieqnws thn tromokratia. Asfalws, kai xarh stis ellhnikes parembaseis poy htan polles kai pyknes eginan diafores shmantikes tropopoihseis sta arxika sxedia poy eixe ypobalei h bretanikh Proedria, h opoia hqele mia pio apolyth proseggish sto qema. Aytes oi tropopoihseis anaferontai, toso sthn epilogh toy xronoy efarmoghs poy parexetai se kaqe kratos-melos, oson afora thn apoqhkeysh twn sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn, oso kai sto eyros twn egklhmatikwn energeiwn kai telos kai ayto einai idiaitera shmantiko, ston tropo me ton opoio kaqe xwra mporei na organwsei tis eggyhseis poy qa isxyoyn kata thn efarmogh twn ryqmisewn.

KAKALHS: Ara, eiste ikanopoihmenoi. Yperchfizete san kybernhsh ayto to chfisma.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy metraei sth dieqnh politikh -kai eidika otan prokeitai gia kati desmeytiko poy qa klhqei h xwra na efarmosei- den einai na pairneis mia steira arnhtikh qesh, alla na frontizeis metexontas sta organa na ephreazeis to eidos twn apofasewn kai thn poiothta twn apofasewn poy lambanontai kai se teleytaia analysh se aforoyn.

BLAXOS: Ola ayta poy zoyme twra exoyn mia aitia, mia aformh kai mesa se oles tis alles aities htan kai o polemos toy Irak. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei na kanei kapoio sxolio gia thn aytokritikh toy k. Mpoys oti egine o polemos kai h eisbolh, sthn opoia skotwqhkan tosoi aqwoi anqrwpoi, basizomenos se laqos plhrofories;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh eyxetai oi dhmokratikes diadikasies, oi opoies koryfwnontai shmera me th diejagwgh eklogwn, na odhghsoyn ayth th xwra ths Meshs Anatolhs sth staqerothta kai thn eirhnh, thn opoia kai h idia h xwra kai oi anqrwpoi poy zoyn ekei, asfalws xreiazontai.

BLAXOS: Gia toys nekroys polites ayths ths xwras poy exasan th zwh toys giati kapoios edwse laqos plhrofories se enan Proedro mias megalhs yperdynamhs, den exete na kanete kanena sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

BLAXOS: Den yparxei sygkinhsh, eyaisqhsia gi aytoys;

ANTWNAROS: H apwleia kaqe anqrwpinhs zwhs einai kati poly dysaresto gia oloys mas.

SIDERHS: Qewreite dhmokratikes aytes tis diadikasies poy einai dotes, kai dotes katopin enoplhs epembashs;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mas eipate oti o k. Boylgarakhs den gnwrize kati sxetika me thn ypoqesh twn Pakistanwn. Pws ginetai na mhn gnwrizei, otan apo tis 19 Aygoystoy eixe hdh kanei synanthseis me to KKE, poy ton eixe enhmerwsei. Den gnwrize, den ecaje;

ANTWNAROS: Paramenw sth dhlwsh toy k. Boylgarakh.

KYRITSHS: H prostasia toy aporrhtoy ws agaqo twn epikoinwniwn den apotelei apolyth arxh gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh den dra monh ths, dra mesa se ena dieqnes eyrwpaiko plaisio. Sas eipa oti ekeino poy metraei einai h prostasia twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, poy apolambanei kaqenas apo emas, alla kai h dhmioyrgia synqhkwn asfaleias gia to synolo.

BLAXOS: Giati den sygkinhsete kai gia ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata toy laoy toy Irak, poy egine qyma mia qewrias kai o Proedros twn HPA bgainei kai leei oti htan laqos ayta poy mas eipan kai ayth th stigmh eseis den kanete ena sxolio. Dytikh xwra den eimaste;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka ep` aytoy. Isws den ekana to sxolio poy qa qelate eseis na akoysete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Soyflias ekane mia dhlwsh oti erxetai kainoyrgio kai tsoyxtero prostimo giati kapoies xwmateres, opws toy Koyroyphtoy, oti ayta ta xrhmata poy htan apo G` KPS den doqhkan gi aytes tis xwmateres kai oysiastika ``karfwnei'' toys k. Paylopoylo kai Alogoskoyfh.

ANTWNAROS: Poy to blepete ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy leei kai ta onomata.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy blepw egw einai oti o k. Soyflias leei ta aytonohta. Kataggellei to PASOK gia ola ayta poy den ekane apo to 1998 kai meta, ws ofeile, gia to qema toy Koyroyphtoy kai twn pollwn ekatontadwn paranomwn xwmaterwn poy yparxoyn sth xwra. Gi ayth thn abelthria twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK, katadikasthke h xwra se prostima, ta opoia exoyn epibarynei ton Ellhna forologoymeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra erxontai alla, leei@

ANTWNAROS: Opws akribws leei o k. Soyflias, to qema syzhthqhke pragmati ton Septembrio sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. To paroysiase o idios ws armodios ypoyrgos. Elhfqhsan sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Yparxei symfwnhmeno sxedio. H proetoimasia apo ola ta ypoyrgeia proxwraei kanonika. Ayth th stigmh, o k. Soyflias, leei oti prepei na ginoyn ta epomena bhmata, ta opoia kai qa ginoyn. Gia to kleisimo twn paranomwn xwmaterwn yparxei mia desmeytikh katalhktikh proqesmia, mexri 31.12.2007, h opoia kai qa thrhqei. To qema toy Koyroyphtoy einai kapws jexwristo qema. Qa exei teleiwsei, pio grhgora, dedomenoy oti ta sxetika kondylia exoyn egkriqei. To ergo prokhryxqhke kai qa dhmoprathqei aytes tis hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Soyflias den ta hjere ola ayta kai ekane tis dhlwseis, poy mas eipate.

ANTWNAROS: Diabasate tis dhlwseis toy k. Soyflia;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xwris na proklhqei apo kanenan bghke kai ekane mia dhlwsh gi ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos. H aformh einai sygkekrimenh: O k. Soyflias anaferetai se ayta ta qemata me aformh mia parapomph ths Elladas sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio, akribws giati h Ellada gia para polla xronia pareleice na kanei sygkekrimena pragmata. O k. Soyflias -opws sas eipa- leei ta aytonohta.

BLAXOS: Thn teleytaia paragrafo th diabasate;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, qelete na sas thn diabasw;

BLAXOS: Diabaste thn.

ANTWNAROS: ``Opws sas eipa, ton Septembrio toy 2005, o ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Soyflias enhmerwse thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia th sobarothta toy qematos kai ton kindyno na epiblhqoyn sth xwra mas prostima pollwn disekatommyriwn eyrw. Sto plaisio ayto enhmerwqhkan o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs poy prepei na merimnhsei gia thn ejasfalish twn anagkaiwn porwn kai o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos poy prepei na epopteysei tis perifereies kai toys organismoys ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs''.

BLAXOS: Ara, den exoyn kanei tipota, ayto leei o anqrwpos. Leei: ``sas to eixa pei to Septembrio oti qa fame prostima kai prepei na kanete ayta''.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos. Oi kataggelies toy k. Soyflia strefontai safestata enantion toy PASOK.

BLAXOS: Bebaiws einai enantion toy PASOK, alla afhnei aixmes kata twn k. Alogoskoyfh kai Paylopoyloy poy den ekanan tipota. To PASOK teleiwse, pame parakatw.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia aixmh. Apo ton Septembrio mexri twra ginetai h aparaithth proergasia, wste ayta poy apofasisthkan ton Septembrio sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph na ylopoihqoyn. O xronos poy exei parelqei, ektote, einai treis mhnes. Den einai megalo diasthma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto eipa ki egw. Oti giati twra jafnika to janaqetei to qema;

BLAXOS: Afoy den exoyn kanei tipota.

ANTWNAROS: Mporeite na kanete osa sxolia qelete sta Mesa opoy ergazeste. Alla, h aformh einai h parapomph ths Elladas. Sas to lew kai dystyxws einai kati poy den qelete na katagracete.

TSIODRAS: Ayto poy lete qa mporoyse kallista na to diatypwsei o k. Soyflias kai na pei oti apo to Septembrio mexri twra exoyn ginei ayta. Den to leei, omws, antiqetws leei oti prepei na ginei ayto, prepei na ginei ekeino..

ANTWNAROS: Den leei kati tetoio.

TSIODRAS: To diabasate prin. Otan leei oti prepei na ginei, shmainei oti den exei ginei.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos kai na sas pw giati: Dioti o k. Soyflias exei sygkekrimeno ergo se sygkekrimeno plaisio kai, apo ekei kai pera, alla ypoyrgeia exoyn allo antikeimeno, prokeimenoy na drasoyn kai na oloklhrwqei to programma. Den emperiexei kamia apolytws aixmh h sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh.

TSIODRAS: Ena sxolio gia ton k. Manwlh kai th diaforopoihsh toy kai ena sxolio gia thn apofash ths Ieras Synodoy gia to endexomeno na ginei dhmochfisma gia to xwrismo Ekklhsias-Kratoys.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora to deytero qema, h qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs opws thn exei ekfrasei epaneilhmmenws h armodia ypoyrgos Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn k. Giannakoy, den exw na pw tipota allo, peran apo ayto poy eipe h idia. Oson afora to prwto qema, poia akribws einai h erwthsh sas;

TSIODRAS: Ean tiqetai zhthma peiqarxikwn metrwn gia ton k. Manwlh sxetika me th xqesinh diaforopoihsh toy;

ANTWNAROS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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