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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 7 Dekembrioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei ayrio, stis 10:00, sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei mia apofash toy Dikasthrioy gia thn aqwwsh twn proswpwn poy ekproswpoysan th DEKA, thn periodo toy 2000. Qa sas qymisw oti aytoi parapemfqhkan sth Dikaiosynh, meta apo mhnythria anafora poy kateqese o k. Miltiadhs Ebert.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs.

BLAXOS: Jafnika h kybernhsh kai to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, qymhqhke thn ereyna toy EFET gia to gala h einai ena epikoinwniako kolpo gia na jexastei h ypoqesh Palaiokrassa, kati poy kai adikei thn idia thn ereyna, alla nomizw kai esas san kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws qymaste, to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, apo tote poy anelabe h nea diakybernhsh, exei proxwrhsei se synexeis elegxoys se mia seira proiontwn kai epixeirhsewn. Oi elegxoi exoyn apodwsei karpoys kai einai gnwstoi se oloys toys Ellhnes polites, afoy pantote ta Mesa Enhmerwshs toys kalyptan dhmosiografika. Qa sas qymisw toys elegxoys se mia seira proiontwn, opws ta ospria kai h zaxarh. Qa sas qymisw toys elegxoys se asfalistikes etaireies, sta super markets. Qa sas qymisw, epishs, oti ektos twn allwn, meta apo aytoys toys elegxoys epiblhqhkan prostima, ta opoia mexri stigmhs anerxontai se 1.610.000 eyrw. Dienerghqhkan elegxoi sta super markets gia to qema ths diplhs anagrafhs twn timwn. Alles times anagrafontan sto rafi kai alles sto tameio kai opws qymomaste oloi poly kala ayto apotelese antikeimeno reportaz pollwn hmerwn. Dhmosiopoioyntai kaqe ebdomada ola ta proionta gia ta opoia ginontai anaklhseis stis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Epiballontai kai dhmosiopoioyntai ta prostima se epixeirhseis poy eite paraplanoyn toys katanalwtes eite diaqetoyn proionta poy den plhroyn tis apaitoymenes prodiagrafes. Epiblhqhkan kai dhmosiopoihqhkan prostima se trapezes oi opoies den efarmozan thn keimenh nomoqesia kai tis apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs.

Ara, loipon, synexizetai to ergo toy elegxoy kai ths epibolhs prostimwn otan diapistwnontai paratypies se sxesh me to nomo ths xwra mas, alla kai ton koinotiko kanonismo. H xqesinh syzhthsh se sxesh me ta galaktokomika proionta den einai para mia synexeia aytwn akribws twn elegxwn. Einai kinhseis poy ginontai gia thn prostasia toy katanalwth.

BLAXOS: O k. Daskalopoylos sas kathgorei gia politikh skopimothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mono politikos skopos kai oxi politikh skopimothta. O politikos skopos einai na throyntai oi nomoi sthn agora, xwris ejairesh kanenos. Qa qymisw oti yphrjan kata kairoys kathgories apo diafores etaireies, allote apo thn pleyra epixeirhmatiwn h biomhxanwn, allote apo thn pleyra allwn epixeirhmatiwn, opws p.x. ta super markets. H politikh thn opoia askei h kybernhsh, h politikh toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs eidika se ayto to qema einai h prostasia toy katanalwth. Gia na mpoyme kai sthn oysia toy qematos, qelw na sas pw oti exoyn hdh doqei sth dhmosiothta ta apotelesmata toy kladikoy elegxoy gia thn epishmansh toy galaktos, pasteriwmenoy kai sympyknwmenoy. Den qelw na sas koyrasw me leptomereies, na sas pw mono oti symfwna me ton pinaka poy doqhke sth dhmosiothta, yparxoyn terastia pososta apoklishs apo thn keimenh nomoqesia. Gia paradeigma, se qemata onomasias pwlhshs, apoklish ths tajews toy 77%, systatikwn 8%, kaqaroy baroys 23%, hmeromhnias analwshs 15%, odhgiwn xrhshs 8%, kwdikoy katallhlothtas 15%. Exw sth diaqesh moy para polla stoixeia, ta opoia exei dwsei hdh sth dhmosiothta kai to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Ekeino omws sto opoio qa epimeinw, einai oti ayth h politikh einai mia politikh poy akoloyqeitai staqera apo tote poy egine kybernhsh h Nea Dhmokratia. Einai h prospaqeia na thrhqoyn gia oloys oi kanones sthn agora. Ofeiloyme oloi na thrhsoyme toys nomoys yper panta toy symferontos toy ellhna katanalwth.

BLAXOS: To ekmetalleyeste omws epikoinwniaka, kyrie Ypoyrge, giati shmera den eipate oti einai eidiko qema, na apeyqynqoyme sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, alla hrqate plhrws enhmerwmenos me stoixeia kai kanate anakoinwseis, oxi ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, alla kai ws synarmodios ypoyrgos gia to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Ara, loipon, dyo metra kai dyo staqma threite. Einai safes, loipon, oti exei kai epikoinwniakh ptyxh ayto to pragma. Na kalycei, as poyme, to qorybo h ta problhmata poy dhmioyrgoyse h istoria Palaiokrassa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw, loipon, na janapw oti sta qemata ths prostasias toy katanalwth, eite einai prostasias ths tsephs toy, eite ths prostasias ths ygeias toy, h kybernhtikh politikh einai mia kai monh. Staqera prosanatolismenoi se ayth thn politikh den apokliname oyte ena xroniko shmeio, oyte ena lepto, oyte mia wra. Apotelei megalo qema ap` o,ti eida kai endiaferon qema. Opws me rwtate gia ola ta megala qemata kai exw na sas dwsw apanthseis, sas dinw kai gi` ayto.

XIWTHS: Eiste plhroforhmenos ean aytes oi sobares paratypies poy molis anaferate, qa timwrhqoyn me epishs baries kyrwseis; Dioti ena shmeio ths kritikhs poy dexeste einai oti oi kyrwseis poy epiballontai se megaloys epixeirhmatikoys foreis, ta prostima einai mikra. Eseis, molis eipate oti ap` oloys toys elegxoys toy teleytaioy 20mhnoy ta prostima einai mono 1,6 ekatommyria eyrw. Den einai megalo poso ayto gia tis paratypies poy exoyme dei na diapistwnontai toys teleytaioys 20 mhnes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, ta prostima poy exoyn epiblhqei anerxontai se 1.610.000 eyrw. H armodia Genikh Grammateia Katanalwth kai to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs epiballoyn tis kyrwseis, afoy kanoyn tis diapistwseis. Exei poly megalh shmasia na mhn kalyptei kanenas thn pragmatikothta, na apokalyptei ta problhmata, giati mono etsi oi kanones sthn agora qa leitoyrghsoyn, opws kai se alles eyrwpaikes xwres. Twra, ean eseis ektimate oti einai mikra h oxi ta prostima, ayto apotelei ena sxolio diko sas to opoio ofeilw na sebastw, opws sebomai kaqe allo sxolio. Den qa symfwnhsw oyte kai qa diafwnhsw apo th stigmh poy allos einai o armodios foreas poy epiballei ta prostima. Shmasia exei kai nomizw oti to anagnwrizoyme oloi, na anadeiknyetai ena problhma. Kai oxi aplws na anadeiknyetai gia na to periferei kapoios ypoyrgos apo grafeio se grafeio h apo press room se press room, alla na anadeiknyetai kai na epiballontai oi kyrwseis. Dioti aytos einai kai o politikos skopos ston opoio anaferqhka prohgoymenws: Na anadeixqoyn ta problhmata, na epiblhqoyn oi kyrwseis kai entelei, na ginei syneidhsh se oloys oti kanenas den einai yperanw twn nomwn kai oti oi kanones prepei na isxysoyn gia oloys sthn agora. Eidika sto qema poy syzhtame shmera, gnwrizete oti gia antistoixa zhthmata, dyo megales biomhxanies briskontai metajy toys sta Dikasthria. Gia antistoixa qemata ta opoia epishmainoyn o EFET kai to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Pws loipon kapoios erxetai na egkalesei thn kybernhsh, giati zhta na efarmostei o nomos; Qa perimene kaneis na memfqei thn kybernhsh ean den efarmozotan o nomos.

XIWTHS: H erwthsh moy htan, ean qa yparjoyn baries kyrwseis, dioti opws lete, o stoxos sas einai na apokalyptetai h paratypia. Alla, ean mia paratypia apokalyptetai, alla den timwreitai, sthn koinh gnwmh dhmioyrgeitai mia aisqhsh atimwrhsias twn megalwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mexri stigmhs, opws gnwrizete, kai to eipa dyo fores prohgoymenws, exoyn epiblhqei prostima megaloy ycoys. Kai oxi mono apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs kai apo alla ypoyrgeia gia sygkekrimena qemata. Sto sygkekrimeno qema, poia einai ta prostima poy qa epiblhqoyn, efoson epiblhqoyn, einai kati to opoio qa anakoinwqei apo to armodio ypoyrgeio, to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

KAKALHS: Oi elegxoi toy EFET h twn allwn elegktikwn mhxanismwn, opote ginontai, bgazoyn synexws problhmata kai paratypies se megala pososta kai apo thn allh den empodizoyn diarkws na bgainoyn sthn epifaneia diatrofika skandala. To ena meta to allo skaei. Ayto shmainei oti sthn pragmatikothta o katanalwths einai aprostateytos. Dhladh oi elegxoi den einai arketoi kai ikanoi gia na prostateysoyn ton katanalwths. Mhpws, loipon, xreiazetai allagh sto idio to qesmiko plaisio toy antagwnismoy ths agoras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, to gegonos oti ena qema apasxolei to armodio ypoyrgeio, to opoio den kanei pws den katalabainei, einai hdh ena prwto shmantiko bhma. Dioti, qa prospaqhsw na qymhqw h qymhqeite eseis sto parelqon ean eixame tetoioy eidoys politikes. H politikh boylhsh einai to yp` ariqmon ena bhma kai ayth thn politikh boylhsh thn exei anadeijei h kybernhsh. To deytero bhma einai na ginontai oi elegxoi. To trito einai na epiballontai kyrwseis. Kai peran twn kyrwsewn, opoy xreiazetai na diorqwqei to qesmiko plaisio, bebaiws qa diorqwqei. Den eimai se qesh, ayth thn wra, na sas pw ean sto sygkekrimeno kommati xreiazetai diorqwsh toy qesmikoy plaisioy. Wstoso, omws, to gegonos oti anadeiknyetai to problhma, oti h Politeia den kaqeydei oti einai paroysa gia na prostateysei toys katanalwtes, einai ena para poly shmantiko bhma, to opoio anhkei sthn politikh ayths ths kybernhshs kai to opoio ektimoyn kai oi Ellhnes katanalwtes.

GKOYTZANHS: Shmera, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs eide ton presbh twn HPA. Ti yparxei gia to periexomeno ayths ths synanthshs; Nomizw oti yparxei mia pagia praktikh twn Ellhnwn Prwqypoyrgwn oti den dexontai toys presbeis twn HPA, ektos apo thn eqimotypia. Ti ekane ton k. Karamanlh na allajei ayth thn praktikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, den symfwnw. Den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoia pagia praktikh.

GKOYTZANHS: O k. Shmiths epi oktw xronia den eixe dexqei@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ginei mia synanthsh toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy me to neo Amerikano presbh, amesws molis anelabe ta kaqhkonta toy. Meta apo ena xrono, yphrje aithma toy Amerikanoy presbh, prokeimenoy na ginei mia syzhthsh genikhs antallaghs apocewn. Ayto symbainei shmera.

TSIODRAS: To teleytaio diasthma kai proxqes synanthqhkate me boyleytes kai sas meteferan, opws toylaxiston lene ta stoixeia toy reportaz, kapoia parapona se sxesh me ypoyrgoys. Qa hqela na gnwrizw ean ayta ta parapona exoyn metaferqei ston Prwqypoyrgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete -to exoyme epanalabei allwste- syzhtw me toys boyleytes ths Perifereias, enocei ths kataqeshs toy nomosxedioy gia ton Perifereiako Typo. To sygkekrimeno nomosxedio egine antikeimeno epejergasias epi seira pollwn mhnwn, me oles tis Enwseis, dhmosiografwn kai ekdotwn ths Perifereias. Se aytes tis synanthseis oydepote syzhthqhkan periptwsiologika qemata. To idio synebh kai sthn teleytaia synanthsh. Yphrjan genikes anafores se diafora zhthmata poy aforoyn ton Perifereiako Typo. To deytero skelos aytwn twn syzhthsewn poy kanw me toys synadelfoys moy, afora to pws qa einai kalytera enhmerwmenoi oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias apo thn kybernhsh gia zhthmata poy aforoyn to ergo, thn kybernhtikh politikh, ta eqnika qemata kai ta qemata oysias. Se kamia apo tis pente h eji synanthseis poy exw kanei me tis antistoixes Perifereies mexri twra, den yphrje periptwsiologia.

TSIODRAS: Periptwsiologia oxi. Genikoterh syzhthsh gia thn kybernhtikh politikh wstoso, yphrje.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayth th synanthsh, to eipa. Epimenw sto ``periptwsiologia'', dioti diabasa, akoysa reportaz poy aneferan sygkekrimena proswpa, onomata ypoyrgwn, kati to opoio den synebh se kamia apo oles tis synanthseis.

POYLIDOY: Qelw na sas rwthsw, apofaseis dikasthriwn den sxoliazete. To politiko sas symperasma apo thn ejelijh ths istorias, ths ypoqeshs ths DEKA, poio einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To politiko symperasma, ean synaxqei se sxesh me mia apofash dikasthrioy, antilambaneste oti apotelei kai sxoliasmo apofasews dikasthrioy. Oi Ellhnes polites gnwrizoyn oti sthn periodo ekeinh, dhladh sthn periodo ths megalhs ``anqhshs'' toy Xrhmatisthrioy, synebhsan polla. Oi Ellhnes gnwrizoyn. Oi Ellhnes krinoyn.

POYLIDOY: Xqes, mas perigracate ta tria stadia ths diaplokhs. To esxato stadio htan h prosfygh sth Dikaiosynh. Sthn periptwsh ths DEKA ejantlhqhkan kai ta tria stadia, egine h prosfygh kai h prosfygh edeije aqwwsh. Pws bgazete to symperasma oti yphrxe problhma sto qema toy Xrhmatisthrioy kai oti ayth einai h koinh entypwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti qa eiste h monadikh Ellhnida poy pisteyei, an to pisteyei, giati den nomizw oti to pisteyete, oti den yphrxe problhma sthn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy to 1999.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Ris phge shmera gia na antallajei apoceis me ton Prwqypoyrgo; Gi` ayto phge, gia antallagh apocewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto erwthma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia antallagh apocewn; Den yparxei qema; Ti qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa, oti syzhthqhkan genikotera qemata poy aforoyn tis dimereis sxeseis Elladas kai HPA.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afora kai@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw, exw apanthsei sto erwthma. An qelete opoiodhpote allo erwthma, ypoballete to. Sto sygkekrimeno, exw apanthsei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afora kai thn agora twn F-16;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Den qa pw tipote perissotero gi` ayto.

SIDERHS: To gegonos ths apofashs gia th DEKA, den yponomeyei kai den apodeiknyei, den einai aytapodeikto gia th dikh sas protroph, phgainete sth Dikaiosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to syllogismo sas. Na katarghsoyme th Dikaiosynh; H Dikaiosynh einai o telikos kriths.

SIDERHS: Lete oti an yparxei diaplokh, phgainete sth Dikaiosynh. Opoios exei stoixeia peri diaplokhs, sth Dikaiosynh. Ma, hdh phge kai @

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Dikaiosynh einai o telikos kriths. Kata synepeia, ofeiloyme na ths apodwsoyme to qesmiko rolo poy exei kai na ton sebastoyme.

SIDERHS: Ara, akyrwnetai to epixeirhma sas na pame sth Dikaiosynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati akyrwnetai;

SIDERHS: Afoy lete oti kati egine, olos o ellhnikos laos jerei oti kati egine sto Xrhmatisthrio, alla h Dikaiosynh den eide kati tetoio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayto to qema, to eipa.

BLAXOS: Poioi alloi toys teleytaioys 20 mhnes poy eisaste kybernhsh, zhthsan apo ton k. Karamanlh na ton episkefqoyn gia na exoyn antallagh apocewn kai eginan dektoi apo ton k. Karamanlh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan exw kati to anakoinwnw, toylaxiston, mia mera prin sto press room.

BLAXOS: Ara den yparxei kanena allo proswpo poy na exei kanei@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

TSIODRAS: Qymamai thn proeklogikh desmeysh ths Neas Dhmokratias, oti tipote den paragrafetai kai to egklhma toy Xrhmatisthrioy den qa meinei atimwrhto. Qa hqela na jerw an h kybernhsh skopeyei na kanei kapoies kinhseis prokeimenoy oi enoxoi toys opoioys kathggeile proeklogika na timwrhqoyn kai poies einai aytes oi energeies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean yparjoyn kapoies alles kinhseis, qa anakoinwqoyn.

TSIODRAS: Dhladh mporei kai na mhn yparjoyn alles kinhseis kai na meinei atimwrhto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete to dikaiwma na katalhgete se opoio symperasma qelete. Mporeite na ypoballete omws erwthseis. Exw apanthsei sthn erwthsh sas. Mporeite na peite to symperasma sto opoio katalhjate sto Meso poy ergazeste kai ekpemcate to eleyqerws opws kanete th doyleia sas.

XIWTHS: Stis synanthseis poy kanete me toys boyleytes, to deytero skelos poy einai h antallagh apocewn gia thn poreia ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, einai mia dikh sas prwtoboylia h ginetai kat` entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isws den to antilhfqhkate, ektos an den to diatypwsa egw kala, kati poy mallon den isxyei. Anefera oti se aytes tis syzhthseis to deytero skelos afora thn kalyterh enhmerwsh twn boyleytwn gia thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Epeidh h enhmerwsh twn boyleytwn ginetai en pollois apo ta ypoyrgeia kai isws, perissotero apo oloys, apo to grafeio toy ekastote askoyntos xreh ypoyrgoy Typoy, dhladh emoy toy nyn ypoyrgoy Epikrateias. Gi` ayto prospaqhsa kai prospaqw na didw thn kalyterh dynath enhmerwsh stoys synadelfoys moy boyleytes. Ayto htan to nohma twn erwthmatwn poy eqesa pros toys boyleytes. Ara loipon den exei kamia sxesh me to geniko sxoliasmo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy ston opoio eseis anaferqhkate.

XIWTHS: An katalaba kala, synepws, stis synanthseis aytes toys enhmerwnetai gia thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na kanete erwthsh;

XIWTHS: Thn exw kanei hdh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete parei apanthsh loipon, ara mh thn epanalambanete.

XIWTHS: H erwthsh moy einai, an ayto ginetai me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h einai mia dikh sas prwtoboylia, thn opoia endexomenws@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai entolh thn opoia exei dwsei o Prwqypoyrgos, apo th stigmh poy orise ypoyrgoys na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Ti ennoeite;

XIWTHS: Ennow, an parotrynete kai toys synadelfoys sas na kanoyn antistoixes synanthseis me toys boyleytes h an ayto ginetai mono apo esas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe fora ennoeite kai mia diaforetikh erwthsh, ap` oti antilambanomai. Qewrw oti exw apanthsei.

GKOYTZANHS: Kapote o Prwqypoyrgos eixe jekinhsei mia diadikasia kai eblepe boyleytes, alla stamathse. Isxyei to ``opoios prolabe ton Kyrio eide'' h qa exoyme kapoia synexeia panw se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai qa synexistoyn aytes oi epafes.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai programmatismeno h genikws kai aoristws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan kati programmatizetai, opws apanthsa prohgoymenws, anakoinwnetai amesws sthn aiqoysa enhmerwshs kai to maqainete prwtoi ap` oloys.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara mexri th lhjh ths tetraetias na ypoqesoyme;

SIDERHS: Sigoyra gia toys triteknoys, ayta poy dwsate kati htan apo to kaqoloy poy eixan. Wstoso oi idioi pneoyn menea enantion sas kai lene oti toys koroidecate. Gia poio logo toys koroidecate; Den katalaban ta metra h toys eixate tajei perissotera kai den ta dwsate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xqes, ekana anakoinwseis. Epishs, ekane analytikes anakoinwseis kai o armodios ypoyrgos k. Kaklamanhs. Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis toy.

SIDERHS: Den moy apanthsate. Tis jerw tis dhlwseis, edw hmoyn xqes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parapempw stis xqesines dhlwseis moy kai se aytes toy k. Kaklamanh.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epishmanw kati. Me thn peira poy moy exei dwsei h qhteia moy tosa xronia edw, ayth h frash ``exw apanthsei'' poy lete kaqe fora poy kanoyme mia allh erwthsh, den bohqaei oyte nomizw sthn enhmerwsh twn politwn, oyte sth diafwtish kapoiwn pragmatwn oyte kai sto na perasete eseis ta mhnymata poy qelete sthn koinh gnwmh. Epeidh to epekteinete se para polles erwthseis. Mia dyo to katalabainw, alla se oles tis erwthseis, den einai ligo dyskolo; Sas ekane o k. Xiwths treis diaforetikes erwthseis, opws kai eseis to paradexthkate, kai apantoysate ``exw apanthsei''. Den mporei na einai treis diaforetikes erwthseis kai na dinete panta thn idia apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai se ayto exw apanthsei.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes, rwthqhkate gia to ti qa kanete gia to gamo twn omofylofilwn kai ean skefteste na apodexqeite thn protash poy ekane o k. Alabanos kai apanthsate monolektika ``oxi''. Exei kapoio politiko skeptiko ayth h arnhsh h einai apla logw toy synthrhtismoy ths N.D. epeidh ekfrazei th synthrhtikh paratajh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na bgalete opoia symperasmata qelete.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, to politiko skeptiko qelw, ean yparxei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H apofash gia toys polyteknoys einai h idia me tis proeklogikh desmeysh toy k. Karamanlh kai me to programma ths N.D; Einai ta idia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Menoyn kai alla na ginoyn, to eipame allwste. To prwto stadio htan prin apo peripoy ena xrono, to deytero stadio htan xqes. Menoyn na ginoyn kai alla se ayto to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se poso xroniko diasthma qa ginei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantote miloyme gia thn ejantlhsh toy orioy ths tetraetias, se sxesh me tis desmeyseis poy exoyme apo to programma mas, ektos twn qematwn ekeinwn poy xreiazontai syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exw mia allh erwthsh na kanw: Mhpws biasthke h kybernhsh gia thn enqronish toy Patriarxh Ierosolymwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei kanei kapoia energeia gia na anagnwristei apo to Israhl;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy, to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn exei probei stis deoyses energeies.

SIDERHS: To 2002 eixate kataqesei nomosxedio gia toys triteknoys. Twra den pragmatopoieite ayta poy elege to nomosxedio, profanws giati den yparxoyn ta lefta poy xreiazontai. Tote, den eixate kanei oikonomikh meleth gia to nomosxedio; Kataqetate nomosxedia gia entypwsiasmo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantote otan katatiqeto ena nomosxedio, ginotan prwta mia poly kalh kai se baqos meleth apo ola ta stelexh ths N.D. Ekeino poy gnwrizete oti synebh, apo to xroniko shmeio poy anaferete mexri shmera, einai h pragmatikh apotypwsh ths katastashs ths oikonomias. Mias oikonomias poy, ypo ton k. Shmith, eixe elleimma ligo panw apo to 1% kai poy kata toys elegxoys ths E.E. efqase sto 6,5%.

GKOYTZANHS: Me thn idia logikh, tote, tipota den mporei na isxysei apo osa legate proeklogika, giati einai diaforetika ta oikonomika dedomena, ayto to dexomaste.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn ginei hdh para polla apo ta osa exoyme desmeyqei sto programma mas.

GKOYTZANHS: Pws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Para polla. Apo thn ypoqesh ayth poy anaferomaste twra, opoy exoyn ginei para polla pragmata -eipa oxi ola- ews mia seira proeklogikwn desmeysewn poy exoyn ginei prajh. Ean qelete mporw na arxisw na sas diabasw ton katalogo.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, oxi, eyxaristoyme poly.

SIDERHS: Pws qa antimetwpisete twra th ``sklhrh'' antipoliteysh poy arxise to PASOK ``koita ton anqrwpo mesa soy'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalaba ayto poy eipate.

SIDERHS: Arxise kampania to PASOK ``koita ton anqrwpo mesa soy kai dipla soy''

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qymamai oti to PASOK proeklogika koitaje toys anqrwpoys gyrw toy, twra koitazei mesa toy. Einai mia eykairia gia endoskophsh, gia aytokritikh, gia probolh newn qesewn, efoson aytes yparxoyn kai oi Ellhnes polites krinoyn oloys mas.

SIDERHS: Den qa mporoyse na einai kai protroph gia esas kai thn kybernhsh sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia kalh arxh, pantws, ayto, estw kai sxedon enamish xrono meta tis ekloges.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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