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Aqhna, 6 Dekembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs opoy syzhthqhkan dyo qemata, poy aforoyn to ypoyrgeio Ygeias:

Oi metarryqmiseis toy systhmatos farmakeytikhs periqalchs, poy exoyn, hdh, anakoinwqei apo ton armodio ypoyrgo k. Nikhta Kaklamanh.

Oi ryqmiseis gia tis triteknes oikogeneies. Einai to deytero shmantiko bhma poy kanei ayth h kybernhsh sthn kateyqynsh ths ekplhrwshs twn programmatikwn desmeysewn mas. Sto qema exei hdh anaferqei o k. Kaklamanhs me dhlwseis toy ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy.

En taxei qa sas pw gia to deytero zhthma, giati gia ta farmaka exoyn hdh ginei anakoinwseis: Kaqe oikogeneia poy apokta trito paidi apo 1/1/2006 kai gia kaqe paidi meta to trito, qa enisxyetai apo thn Politeia, xwris proypoqeseis kai aforologhta, me 2.000 eyrw. Sta zhthmata poy aforoyn sto foro tajinomhshs gia agora kainoyrgioy aytokinhtoy gia tis triteknes oikogeneies problepetai apallagh. To 2006 qa isxysei meiwsh kata 35% toy foroy tajinomhshs, to 2007 kata 70% kai to 2008 plhrhs apallagh.

Se o,ti afora toys diorismoys sto dhmosio tomea, entassontai kai oi triteknoi sta pososta poy isxyoyn shmera gia toys polyteknoys. Stoys triteknoys, qa isxyei oti enas ek twn dyo gonewn qa exei th moriodothsh gia to dhmosio tomea kai ena ek twn triwn paidiwn stis epixeirhseis toy idiwtikoy tomea sto 8% poy hdh yparxei gia eidikes kathgories sympolitwn mas. To 3% afora toys polyteknoys. Ekei pleon entassontai kai oi triteknoi. Stis epixeirhseis toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea to 8% ginetai 10% kai to epipleon 2% qa afora toys triteknoys. Sta NPDD kai stoys organismoys topikhs Aytodioikhshs, prwtoy kai deyteroy baqmoy, to pososto htan 5% kai ginetai 7%. To epipleon 2% qa ajiopoieitai apo toys triteknoys.

Se o,ti afora to ypoyrgeio Paideias, oi triteknoi qa mpainoyn se pososto 20% sth lista gia anaplhrwtes ekpaideytikoys. Ayto to metro qa arxisei na isxyei apo to sxoliko etos 2006-2007.

Opws gnwrizete, chfisthke pro oligoy kairoy, apo thn Eqnikh Antiproswpeia h systash Eqnikhs Arxhs katapolemhshs ths nomimopoihshs esodwn apo egklhmatikes drasthriothtes. Dhladh, ta zhthmata poy aforoyn thn ereyna gia to jeplyma toy brwmikoy xrhmatos. Epishs, opws gnwrizete, h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, h dieqnhs sygkyria, alla kai h ellhnikh pragmatikothta, idiaitera meta tis apokalyceis gia to paradikastiko kyklwma, epiballoyn thn ejeyresh ths kalyterhs dynaths protashs sto proswpo toy Proedroy ayths ths Arxhs. H kybernhsh anaqetei kaqhkonta Proedroy, sthn idiaitera ayth shmantikh qesh, ston k. Giwrgo Zormpa, anwtato eisaggeliko leitoyrgo ychloy kyroys kai shmera G.G. Ejoplismwn toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. Einai eynohto oti ews otoy ginei h topoqethsh toy k. Zormpa, qa synexisei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy G.G. Ejoplismwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh exei na kanei kanena sxolio sxetika me th dhlwsh toy k. Sioyfa oti den ton aggizoyn osa xqes eipe o k. Palaiokrassas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa polla xqes gia to qema. Den qa pw tipota perissotero shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Alhqeyei oti amesws meta thn apomakrynsh toy k. Palaiokrassa doqhke mia anaqesh ycoys 80 ekat. ston k. Mytilhnaio ths METKA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw anaferqei ejantlhtika sto qema xqes. Sas parakalw opoia erwthsh exete poy einai eidikoy periexomenoy, na apeyqyneste sthn armodia yphresia, en prokeimenw sth DEH.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto den apanthsate xqes. Den yphrxe xqes. Shmera to maqame.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw, apeyqynqeite sth DEH.

SIDERHS: Mhpws apla o k. Sphliwtopoylos apallaxqhke apo ayth thn topoqethsh poy egine ston k. Zormpa; Apallaxqhke apo ton k. Zormpa, epeidh htan antiqetos se merikes kinhseis toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy, opws as poyme ta tessera arqra gia kateyqeian anaqesh poy yparxoyn sto twrino nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diafwnw teleiws me thn proseggish sas, h opoia einai ypotimhtikh kai gia thn kybernhsh kai proswpika gia ton k. Zormpa. O k. Zormpas analambanei enan idiaitera shmantiko rolo se ena qema to opoio, opws gnwrizete oloi, apasxolei th dieqnh koinothta, ena qema poy ofeiloyme na aggijoyme. To kaname hdh me th qesmikh allagh kai topoqeteitai se ayth th qesh, prokeimenoy na bohqhsei, me ton kalytero dynato tropo, wste na antimetwpistei to problhma toy jeplymatos mayroy xrhmatos.

SIDERHS: Giati milate me oroys hqikhs einai ypotimhtiko; Egw politikh erwthsh kanw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

SIDERHS: Jeroyme oti o k. Sphliwtopoylos den ton hqele, giati o k. Zormpas eixe antiqeth apoch apo aytes tis meqodeyseis toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw hdh apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Sas parakoloyqoysa kai xqes poy kanate th dhlwsh gia ton k. Palaiokrassa. Blepw kai shmera oti me teleiws pagero yfos milate gia ton k. Palaiokrassa, alla prepei na sas pw oti apo olh thn kybernhsh, apo esas perimena na eiste pio eyaisqhtos apenanti ston k. Palaiokrassa gia ena aplo pragma: Qelw na sas qymisw oti hmastan oi dyo prwtoi anqrwpoi poy ftasame sto aytokinhto toy k. Palaiokrassa, otan dexqhke thn epiqesh ths 17N kai nomizw oti toylaxiston eseis apo thn kybernhsh qa eprepe na deijete mia megalyterh eyaisqhsia sthn proseggish sas apenanti sto qema Palaiokrassa, dioti kai o k. Palaiokrassas xreiazetai mia perissoterh eyaisqhsia apo to komma to opoio yphrethse. Etsi den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete apolyto dikio. Symfwnw me th diapistwsh poy kanate oti xreiazetai ayth h eyaisqhsia. Pisteyw oti me ayth thn eyaisqhsia exoyme proseggisei ton anqrwpo Palaiokrassa, o opoios, allwste, epi seira etwn einai ena stelexos se poly ychles qeseis, toy kommatikoy mhxanismoy ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws epishs kai toy kybernhtikoy mhxanismoy ths. Ara, loipon, se o,ti afora ton anqrwpo Palaiokrassa, h proseggish einai ayth thn opoia epishmainete kai thn opoia egw proswpika, alla kai olh h kybernhsh, exei apenanti sto proswpo toy. Kata ta loipa, stis politikes anafores poy eginan yphrje apanthsh apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs kai twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn.

BLAXOS: Aytes oi politikes anafores den xrhzoyn peraiterw diereynhshs se politiko epipedo apo thn idia thn kybernhsh; Dioti, otan jekinhsate th shmerinh enhmerwsh sas, eipate oti ola ayta gia tis triteknes oikogeneies ginontai mesa sto plaisio ekplhrwshs proeklogikwn dhlwsewn ths kybernhshs. Ma kai h patajh ths diafqoras htan proeklogikh desmeysh ths kybernhshs kai twra yparxei h geysh oti kati brhke o k. Palaiokrassas, kapoioi den ton sthrijan kai oysiastika ton odhghsan kai se paraithsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As mhn milhsoyme gia geyseis. As milhsoyme gia pragmatikothtes. Ayto poy anefere o prwhn Proedros ths DEH kai sth xqesinh synenteyjh Typoy einai ypoqeseis, oi opoies kata syntriptikh pleiochfia aforoyn to parelqon. Einai ypoqeseis poy exoyn stalei hdh sth Dikaiosynh me prwtoboylia kai toy idioy, gia tis opoies perimenoyme oloi na doyme thn ejelijh toys apo th Dikaiosynh. Ara, den yphrje kanenos eidoys prospaqeia sygkalychs apo kanenan.

BLAXOS: An dikaiwqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Dikaiosynh qa apofanqei. Allwste, sas qymizw oti o logos gia ton opoio zhthqhke h paraithsh apo ton k. Palaiokrassa den htan aytos ston opoio anafereste. Isa-isa, poy epimeiname kai epimenoyme oti kaqe ypoqesh, se opoia yphresia, se opoio organismo toy dhmosioy tomea ki an brisketai, na parapemfqei, efoson yparxoyn endeijeis, sth Dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos den eprepe na ton akoysei; Dhladh, na ton dexqei, estw kai gia teleytaia fora. Na ton akoysei proswpo me proswpo kai endexomenws ekei na apofasisoyn an qa prepei na meinei h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei apo xqes se ayto to erwthma.

BLAXOS: Poios phre thn apofash na symboyleysei ton k. Karamanlh na mhn ton dexqei sto Megaro Majimoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Kakalhs kai meta me janarwtate an qelete.

BLAXOS: O k. Kakalhs phre thn apofash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Kakalh, parakalw.

BLAXOS: Mporeite na moy apanthsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Blaxo den einai synenteyjh enas pros enan. Exete thn anesh, kanate hdh eji-epta erwthseis. Qa epanelqw kai se sas.

BLAXOS: Epeidh einai poly shmantiko ayto. Den qa sas enoxlhsw allo. Mia teleytaia erwthsh: Poios symboyleyse ton k. Karamanlh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mh desmeyeste toso eykola. Allwste, den einai enoxlhsh, einai xara moy na akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Mporeite na moy apanthsete mono se ayto, an exete thn eygenh kalosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, gia thn kybernhsh to zhthma ths diaplokhs einai qema nomiko poy lynetai sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs; Allo orismo eixe dwsei o Prwqypoyrgos, an qymaste, oxi mono proeklogika, alla kai meteklogika, oson afora to fainomeno ths diaplokhs. En prokeimenw, gia th DEH, den problhmatizei thn kybernhsh oti enas isxyros epixeirhmatikos omilos apo to 2000 mexri shmera exei analabei th merida toy leontos sta megala erga ths DEH; Epeidh, dhladh, oi apofaseis einai nomotypes h nomimes, shmainei oti den yparxei zhthma diaplokhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme tria stadia se ayto to qema, ean qelete na kanoyme analysh:

@ To prwto stadio einai na ejetasei kaneis to zhthma, opws to exei ejetasei polles fores h N.D. kai ws antipoliteysh kai ws kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na brei ta problhmata toy kai na prospaqhsei na ta diorqwsei.

@ To deytero stadio einai to qesmiko plaisio. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh, se o,ti afora to qesmiko plaisio, exei hdh kanei para polles allages. Sas qymizw dyo apo tis shmantikoteres: H prwth afora thn anaqesh twn dhmosiwn ergwn me thn katarghsh toy perifhmoy ``maqhmatikoy typoy''. Kai h deyterh, poy afora tis dhmosies yphresies, dhladh, h metatroph toy adikhmatos peri ``apistias peri thn yphresia'' apo plhmmelhma -poy to eixe kanei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh- se kakoyrghma.

@ To trito stadio, einai h diapistwsh toy opoioy problhmatos. H maxh kata ths diaplokhs den einai mia maxh poy teleiwnei se ena prwi, se ena brady, se mia hmera h se ena 24wro. Einai mia maxh, poy diarkei poly kairo. Milame gia domes poy sthqhkan se ayto to kratos gia para polla xronia. To trito, loipon, stadio einai, afoy yparjei diapistwsh paratypiwn, paranomiwn, parekbasewn, tote na akoloyqhsei kai h dikastikh odos. H ekdikash ths ypoqeshs, h aponomh dikaiosynhs ginetai apo to qesmo poy legetai ``Dikaiosynh''. Ara, loipon, otan kapoios apokobei to ena qema kai to anaferei, ws to monadiko zhthma, tote sigoyra jexna thn alysida twn pragmatwn, poy yparxei sthn ypoqesh ``diaplokh''.

Anefera, loipon, ta tria basika stadia ayths ths ypoqeshs.

TSIODRAS: Qelw na rwthsw ean o k. Palaiokrassas, meta apo tis xqesines kataggelies, idiaitera kata stelexwn ths kybernhshs kai sygkekrimena kata toy k. Sioyfa, paramenei stelexos ths N.D.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na exei yparjei diaforetikh ejelijh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora, giati exoyme ena neo dedomeno apo xqes to brady, th dhmosiopoihsh epistolhs etaireias paragwghs energeias pros to neo Proedro toy D.S. ths DEH. Sthn epistolh, den jerw an th diabasate, oysiastika dinontai symboyles pros ton neo Proedro kai yparxei problech oti qa anebei h metoxh ths DEH. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi@ ayto. Kai h deyterh erwthsh einai, xqes o k. Palaiokrassas apoxwrwntas apo th synenteyjh typoy eipe kati poly shmantiko, gia ton eayto toy: ``Egw den extisa to spiti moy, afoy egina politikos''. Eseis blepete kapoion ypoyrgo poy na fwtografizei o k. Palaiokrassas; Dhladh, oti extise endexomenws to polyteles spiti toy, afoy egine ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh, den qa to sxoliasw. Oloi eyxomaste sto neo Proedro ths DEH na petyxei to kalytero gia ton Organismo, ara gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai gia toys Ellhnes katanalwtes. Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh, yparxei h prosklhsh, h paraklhsh kai h entolh toy opoioydhpote na leei ta pragmata me to onoma toys. An loipon eixe h exei kati, o k. Palaiokrassas ofeile na to eixe pei xqes h mporei na to pei shmera h ayrio.

SARANTAKOS: Sth qesh toy k. Zormpa sto ypoyrgeio Amynas, qa topoqethqei pali proswpo apo to xwro ths dikaiosynhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai etoimos na sas apanthsw sto erwthma ayto.

SARANTAKOS: Katargeitai h qesh ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symfwna me to proeklogiko mas programma, problepontai mia seira allagwn se para polla ypoyrgeia, opws gia paradeigma, h katarghsh yphresiwn, organismwn, ypoyrgeiwn k.lp. Proxwraei to proeklogiko mas programma.

SARANTAKOS: Pws antedrase o k. Sphliwtopoylos se ayth thn apomakrynsh enos synergath toy; Rwthqhke;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantote, oi synennohseis poy ginontai aforoyn kai toys ypoyrgoys poy exoyn thn politikh eyqynh kaqe Ypoyrgeioy.

LEONTITSH: Einai h kybernhsh diateqeimenh na syzhthsei allages sto nomosxedio gia tis DEKO, alla tetoies poy zhtoyn akomh kai kybernhtikoi syndikalistes, anaforika me th nomoqetikh ryqmish gia tis syllogikes symbaseis, sto arqro 14 toy nomosxedioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H koinoboyleytikh diadikasia einai mprosta. Opoios exei protaseis ofeilei na tis kataqesei, wste na syzhthqoyn sthn Epitroph kai sth synexeia sthn Olomeleia.

RABANOS: Epeidh anaferqhkame sto ypoyrgeio Amynas, qa hqela na rwthsw, pote qa synedriasei to KYSEA gia thn promhqeia twn F-16 h an qa ginei h egkrish dia periforas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan apofasistei ayto, qa sas to anakoinwsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Proeklogika, h N.D. kai oloi, apokaloysate opoion epairne polles promhqeies, eqniko promhqeyth. Twra loipon pws na ton leme ayton poy pairnei tis perissoteres promhqeies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy zhtate na ypodeijw, pws qa kanete th doyleia sas. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den qa mporoysa pote na ypodeijw se dhmosiografo pws na kanei th doyleia toy. Kaqenas eleyqera, opws nomizei mporei na krinei, na gracei ta arqra toy, ta sxolia toy, ta reportaz toy, efoson exoyn stoixeia ths pragmatikothtas mesa toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote omws, legate, oti htan skandalo ayto, poy epairne dhladh kapoios oles tis promhqeies h ola ta dhmosia erga.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opote eipwqhke kati apo thn pleyra ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs tote, ths N.D. poy einai shmera kybernhsh, eipwqhke me sygkekrimena stoixeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den stalqhke tipote ston Eisaggelea meta.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei mia protash toy Synaspismoy gia th nomimopoihsh toy gamoy twn omofylofilwn. Dedomenoy oti tetoioy eidoys energeies exoyn ginei apo kybernhseis twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E., meletaei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ayto to endexomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

POYLIDOY: Xqes, paroysiase h bretanikh Proedria mia symbibastikh protash gia th Synodo Koryfhs kai to qema twn dhmosionomikwn prooptikwn. Poia einai h prwth antidrash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, einai gnwsto, oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai polles xwres ths E.E. epiqymoyn thn ejeyresh lyshs sto qema toy koinotikoy Proypologismoy gia thn periodo 2007-2013, fetos to Dekembrio. H tyxon paratash ayths ths ekkremothtas pisteyoyme oti einai arnhtikh gia thn Eyrwph, qelontas na apofygoyme mia periodo eswstrefeias gia thn E.E. Kata ta loipa, eimaste se diarkeis kai sklhres diapragmateyseis gia na epityxoyme to kalytero dynato apotelesma poy na afora th xwra mas.

POYLIDOY: H apanthsh sas qa mporoyse na eixe ginei kai ton perasmeno mhna. Xqes, h bretanikh Proedria, paroysiase mia protash. Sas rwtaw thn antidrash sas epi ths protashs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan lew loipon oti synexizoyme tis sklhres diapragmateyseis gia na epityxoyme to kalytero dynato apotelesma, emmesws plhn safws exw dwsei kai apanthsh sto erwthma sas.

POYLIDOY: Panta se mia diapragmateysh mexri thn teleytaia stigmh pasxizoyme gia to kalytero. O k. Mparozo xqes, eipe oti htan aparadekth h protash. Eseis pws qa to sxoliasete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Emeis synexizoyme na pisteyoyme ayto poy eixame pei kai ton perasmeno Ioynio, oti dhladh h bash gia mia nea synainesh prepei na kineitai sth logikh ths symbibastikhs protashs poy paroysiase ton Ioynio h loyjemboyrgianh Proedria.

KAKALHS: H qesh ths kybernhshs den htan ayth mexri twra. Eipate th mish shmera, poy shmainei apodoxh ths bretanikhs protashs. An den kanw laqos, h qesh ths kybernhshs synexizei legontas oti den qa dexqoyme opoiadhpote protash ths bretanikhs Proedrias, poy qigei ta symferonta ths xwras. H protash ths bretanikhs Proedrias qigei ta symferonta ths xwras, giati kobei ta kondylia kai ta koinotika programmata, gia th gewrgia klp. Ara shmainei oti exoyme mia apodoxh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bgazete kapoia symperasmata poy den exoyn poly megalh sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Isxyei ayto poy exw pei mexri twra.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh akoysa prohgoymenws prosektika thn anafora sas gia thn diaplokh h opoia katelhge sthn aponomh ths dikaiosynhs, to erwthma moy einai, otan den yparxei katalogismos apo th dikaiosynh gia opoiodhpote logo, den yparxei diaplokh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe ypoqesh krinetai apo ta stoixeia apo ta opoia paroysiazontai sth dhmosiothta h sth dikaiosynh.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai diaforetiko h dhmosiothta apo th dikaiosynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti yparxoyn stoixeia ta opoia paroysiazontai sth dhmosiothta, yparxoyn ``stoixeia'' poy paroysiazontai mono kai mono gia entypwsiasmo kai yparxoyn stoixeia poy exoyn pragmatikh bash kai ayta bebaiws, ofeiloyn na tyxoyn ejetashs apo th Dikaiosynh.

GKOYTZANHS: Stis ypoqeseis me tis thleoptikes ekpompes poy paroysiazoyn stoixeia klp, oi dhmosiografoi phgainan me agwges sta dikasthria. Twra diaforoi paragontes poy kanoyn anafores apeiloyntai me agwges sta Dikasthria. Mhpws, ``poinikopoieite'' thn politikh zwh telika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai giati to rwtate ayto se emena.

GKOYTZANHS: Ws kybernhsh ennow.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthste aytoys oi opoioi me kathgorhmatiko tropo, elegan oti prepei na katarghqei teleiws to metro twn agwgwn.

BLAXOS: Me to prisma twn shmerinwn gegonotwn, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ti htan ayto kai poia htan h entolh poy edwse o k. Karamanlhs kai ti htan ayto poy ton ekane na anaqesei ston k. Palaiokrassa thn Proedria ths DEH. Poia htan h entolh toy k. Karamanlh pros ton k. Palaiokrassa wste na afhsei th boyleytikh edra. Ti eipe tote, ti perimene apo ton k. Palaiokrassa o k. Karamanlhs, poy den to exei ferei se peras shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Se oti afora th boyleytikh edra den mporw na apanthsw, opws antilambaneste. Se o,ti afora to prwto, einai h idia entolh poy edwse stoys ypoyrgoys, stoys Dioikhtes twn Organismwn kai stoys Proedroys twn Epixeirhsewn. An anatrejete sthn prwth omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto prwto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, nomizw oti qa breite thn akribh apanthsh sto qema poy rwtate.

BLAXOS: Na jedialynei, dhladh, to qolo topio ths DEH. Ayto lete; Giati egw qymamai oti ayto elege o k. Karamanlhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na anatrejete sthn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ekeinhs ths hmeras. Isxyoyn apolytws ta osa eipe ekeinh thn hmera sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

BLAXOS: Mhpws omws me thn apomakrynsh Palaiokrassa, dinete kako paradeigma se aytoys poy exoyn parei analogh entolh apo ton k. Karamanlh kai shmera aisqanontai anasfaleia oti den qa kalyfqoyn telika sthn prospaqeia toys na plhjoyn th diaplokh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa se prohgoymenh erwthsh sas. Epanalambanw, ean to qema htan ayto poy perigrafete, o logos gia ton opoio zhthqhke h paraithsh ap@ ton k. Palaiokrassa, qa isxye o syllogismos sas. Den einai aytos omws o logos.

PAPAGIANNHS: Symfwna me dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``To Paron ths Kyriakhs'', katagrafontai apo thn etairia, kai to exw shmeiwsei etsi opws akribws einai, poy diaxeirizetai thn etairia ths Attikhs Odoy oi kaqhmerines metakinhseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo kai pros to spiti toy. Kai katagrafontai, dioti poly apla, logw toy yphresiakoy aytokinhtoy poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos eiserxetai xwris na plhrwnei diodia. Qelw na cajete to qema giati exei megalh shmasia gia th dikh sas enhmerwsh kaqws opws einai gnwsto, h etairia poy diaxeirizetai th leitoyrgia ths Attikhs Odoy einai h etairia poy anhkei ston k. Mpompola.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw dei to dhmosieyma sto opoio anafereste.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mporw na sas to steilw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enhmerwsw to armodio ypoyrgeio.

KYRITSHS: Se apanthsh ths Epitropoy Xoypner, se erwthsh toy eyrwboyleyth toy Synaspismoy k. Papadhmoylh, anaferetai oti oi ellhnikes arxes den exoyn enhmerwsei thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia periptwseis epixeirhsewn oi opoies paroti epidothqhkan apo anaptyjiakoys nomoys h apo thn E.E. me thn ypoxrewsh na diathrhsoyn th drasthriothta toys epi pentaetia, parola ayta ekleisan, metakinhqhkan sto ejwteriko h ekleisan tomeis paragwghs. Kai qelw na rwthsw giati h kybernhsh den enhmerwnei gia tis periptwseis aytes oytws wste na allajei kai to systhma ths xrhmatodothsews. Giati exoyn parei kapoia xrhmata oi anqrwpoi aytoi, ta opoia xrhmata profanws phgan sthn tseph toys h se kapoia allh xwra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xwris na amfisbhtw th shmasia toy qematos qa hqela na sas parakalesw na apeyqynete tis eidikes erwthseis sta armodia ypoyrgeia.

KYRITSHS: Einai h apobiomhxanish ths xwras ayto kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas, ofeilei kapoios na gnwrizei ti akribws isxyei prin apanthsei. Den einai dynaton o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na gnwrizei se tetoio baqos ola ta qemata, olwn twn ypoyrgeiwn. To exw pei s` ayth thn aiqoysa apo thn prwth stigmh. Qa parakalesw gia opoio qema einai toso ejeidikeymeno, opws ayto poy anaferate -epanalambanw xwris na ypobaqmizw th shmasia toy- apeyqynqeite ston armodio ypoyrgeio.

KYRITSHS: Ena qema to opoio sas afora proswpika: Exete etoimo to nomosxedio gia th sygkentrwsh sta Mesa kai protiqeste na to kataqesete prin to telos toy xronoy; Kai an nai, ti peripoy perilambanei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paroti exw apanthsei toylaxiston dyo fores s` ayth thn aiqoysa kai exw milhsei polles fores kai sth Boylh, qa epanalabw gia mia akomh fora ti exw pei: Entos toy Dekembrioy qa arxisei o dialogos me toys foreis kai me ta kommata. Ston dialogo ayto qa anaptyxqoyn qeseis, protaseis, apoceis kai qa klhqoyn oi foreis kai ta kommata -efoson to epiqymoyn bebaiws- na kataqesoyn tis dikes toys protaseis. Meta to dialogo qa ginei kwdikopoihsh twn qesewn kai epejergasia toy sxedioy nomoy. Ayth einai h diadikasia poy akoloyqoyme. Ara, den yparxei kapoio nomosxedio etoimo poy qa katateqei.

KYRITSHS: Symfwnei h kybernhsh me thn apofash poy elhfqh se epipedo E.E. -alla mporei na tropopoihqei ap` o,ti exw katalabei se eqniko epipedo- oi etaireies oi opoies syllegoyn gia logoys asfaleias -ypotiqetai- stoixeia twn thlepikoinwniwn na ta xrhsimopoioyn gia emporikoys logoys; Dhladh, na ta dinoyn se etaireies kai meta na mas kanoyn apeyqeias diafhmish;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eilikrinws den gnwrizw ti isxyei se nomiko epipedo kai kyriws apo thn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Emeis qa akoloyqhsoyme ayto to opoio qa einai kata to Syntagma mas orqo kai symfwno me ayto poy qa apofanqei kai h Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Ean parabiazontai proswpika dedomena, antilambaneste oti den mporei na einai kaneis qetikos sthn kateyqynsh ayth.

RABANOS: Sas problhmatizei h synexish twn epeisodiwn perij ths perioxhs kai pws qa to antimetwpisete sto mellon;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa hqela na pw tipota perissotero. Nomizw oti exoyme pei para polla pragmata, exoyme syzhthsei to qema. Elpizw na katanohsoyn oi oligoi poy antidroyn me to na einai oi Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs s` ayto to xwro oti einai symbates xrhseis ghs kai einai symbath h geitniash enos Panepisthmioy kai dyo Grammateiwn opws einai h Epikoinwnia kai h Enhmerwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh prohgoymenws milhsate peri agwgwn, prokeitai h kybernhsh na allajei ayton ton typoktono nomo toy Benizeloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw erwthqei kai alles fores kai sas exw pei oti akoyme protaseis. Molis proxqes h ESHEA synanthqhke sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Prwqypoyrgo, eqese to qema kai egine syzhthsh. Den exoyme katalhjei kapoy. Akoyme tis protaseis twn forewn kai otan qa exoyme katalhjei kapoy, qa sas apanthsw.

GKOYTZANHS: Akoysa prohgoymenws poy eipate oti gia na katartisete to nomosxedio sas gia th sygkentrwsh twn MME, akoyte prwta toys foreis, synantieste mazi toys, katagrafete tis apoceis toys kai sto telos qa to paroysiasete. Antiqeta sto nomosxedio gia tis DEKO oloi oi foreis kai ta politika kommata kai oi syndikalistikoi foreis kataggelloyn oti den prohghqhke enas antistoixos h paromoios dialogos. Giati ayth h diafora kybernhtikhs praktikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na qymisw pws se o,ti afora tis DEKO kai th leitoyrgia toys, h Nea Dhmokratia exei desmeytei apo to proeklogiko ths programma. H syzhthsh ginetai, protaseis katatiqentai kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi synantwntai me toys foreis. Se o,ti afora to radiothleoptiko topio, epi 20 xronia leitoyrgei me anarxo tropo. Nomizw oti kalo einai na ginei enas dialogos gia na akoystoyn apoceis ap` oles tis pleyres. Sthn prwth periptwsh, ektimw oti exoyn akoystei hdh apoceis ap` oles tis pleyres.

SIDERHS: Den katalabainw giati qewrhsate eidiko to erwthma toy k. Kyritsh. Yphrxan epixeirhmaties poy phran ta lefta kai thn kopanhsan. Me bash toys kanonismoys ths E.E. prepei na katagrafoyn kai na klhqoyn na ta epistrecoyn. Toylaxiston etsi anaferei o k. Papadhmoylhs sth sxetikh anakoinwsh toy. Ean einai etsi, den einai eidiko qema toy ypoyrgeioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ki eseis xrhsimopoihsate to ``ean''. Se ena qema to opoio den gnwrizw, den mporw na apanthsw me to ean, gi` ayto kai eipa oti kalo qa htan na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio.

SIDERHS: Entajei, einai gnwsth h gnwsh toy dedomenoy ypoyrgoy sta sygkekrimena qemata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se genikes grammes pantws, na jerete oti ginetai enswmatwsh twn koinotikwn odhgiwn se mia seira pollwn qematwn ta opoia eixan meinei gia poly kairo pisw.

SIDERHS: Qa mporoysate na to maqete; Giati einai qema politikhs apofashs to na dhmosiopoihqoyn ta onomata toys kai na zhtoyn na epistrafoyn ta xrhmata poy phran gia epidothseis wste na exoyn epixeirhseis mesa sthn Ellada kai shkwnontai kai feygoyn afhnontas anergoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw se ayto poy sas eipa.

MOYRTHS: Diabazw sthn efhmerida oti ayrio o k. Mpezas qa kataqesei ston k. Papaggelopoylo porisma eidikwn epiqewrhtwn gia ta telwneia ths Nikhs kai ths Doiranhs. Yparxei kapoio qema me ton k. Regkoyza h htan ola kalws kamwmena;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei kapoio qema, opws ayto poy anaferete. Fantazomai h eidhsh einai alhqhs. Den exw milhsei me ton k. Mpeza. Qa mas pei o idios meta thn kataqesh toy poio akribws htan to qema poy apasxolhse ton Eisaggelea kai ti kateqese.

KAKALHS: Epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories poy dhmosieythkan shmera se merida toy Typoy oti sto grafeio sas yparxoyn oqones poy dinoyn eikona apo tis kryfes kameres poy yparxoyn mesa se aythn edw thn aiqoysa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean exete oloklhrwsei tis erwthseis sas qa parakalesw, na episkeftoyme oloi to Grafeio moy. Qa hqela na pw to ejhs: Lypoymai, alla yparxoyn kapoioi oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis. Molis teleiwsoyme to briefing, parakalw oloi, twra, na episkeftoyme to grafeio moy, opoion allo xwro toy ypoyrgeioy qelete kai na episkeftoyme kai to grafeio moy sto Megaro Majimoy.

KAKALHS: Giati den katargeite tote tis kryfes kameres apo edw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas kanw mia protash, prosklhsh, proklhsh. Opoios grafei, ofeilei na yposthrizei ayto to opoio grafei kai na mhn grafei pragmata ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh sto palaio kthrio, topoqethqhkan apo thn prohgoymenh hgesia, thleoptikes kameres, oi opoies katagrafoyn to briefing. Den rixnw kamia eyqynh sthn prohgoymenh hgesia, dioti den qewrw oti ginetai kati paranoma h paratypa. Apo aytes tis kameres exoyn dynatothta na paroyn to briefing ta thleoptika kanalia thn wra poy ginetai. Kata synepeia o texnikos ejoplismos poy yparxei gia th dieykolynsh afenos men twn dhmosiografwn sta thleoptika diktya, afeteroy ths yphresias poy apomagnhtofwnei to briefing -kai to jerete oti apomagnhtofwneitai kaqhmerinws- den mporei aifnhs -enw ayth h diadikasia akoloyqeitai epi xronia- na dhmioyrgei qema kai yponoies gia kanenan kai panw ap` ola gia mena. Den to dexomai, sas prokalw oloys na aneboyme se opoio grafeio toy ypoyrgeioy qelete, me prwto ap` ola to diko moy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish qelw gia to prwto qema poy anaferate, gia toys triteknoys. Ektos apo tis 2000 eyrw, opoioi einai triteknoi exoyn ola ta ypoloipa pronomia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas anefera mia seira apo pronomia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To prwto entajei. Afora aytoys poy gennoyn twra, toys neoys goneis. Ta alla ta exoyn kai oi alloi goneis poy einai triteknoi h apo edw kai pera qa isxyei ayto; Milw gia ta aytokinhta, gia ola ta pronomia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto qema twn anaplhrwtwn kaqhghtwn poy anefera, isxyei apo to 2006-2007. Gia ta ypoloipa, den exw na sas dwsw dieykrinish twra. Qa milhsw me ton k. Kaklamanh na moy to dieykrinisei.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ayto qa isxysei gia osoys apokthsoyn paidia apo thn chfish toy nomosxedioy kai meta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo 1/1/2006, eipa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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