Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-12-09

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Aqhna, 9 Dekembrioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio to prwi, stis 10:00, qa milhsei sth synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias, poy qa pragmatopoihqei sto jenodoxeio Athens Imperial.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ta osa dhlwse xqes o Presbhs twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn sthn Aqhna, h kybernhsh qewrei oti empiptoyn sth synhqh askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toy h oti o k. Ris yperebh ligo ta oria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ti anafereste akribws;

XIWTHS: O k. Ris, nomizw oti einai prwtoselido se arketes efhmerides shmera oi dhlwseis toy, mallon ypodeijeis ekane pros thn kybernhsh se o,ti afora th diafaneia, se o,ti afora th forologia kai epanelabe kai oti oi Amerikanoi poyloyn kala aeroplana. Ola ayta mia hmera meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo, toylaxiston egw qewrw oti einai kapws prosblhtika gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H sygxronh ellhnikh Dhmokratia, h opoia einai melos twn dieqnwn organismwn, toso stis dimereis oso kai stis polymereis sxeseis ths, den epitrepei tetoioy eidoys parembasewn, opws aytes poy ypainisseste me thn erwthsh sas. Kata ta loipa, isxyei ayto poy isxyei gia oloys toys presbeis se olo ton kosmo. Sthn epoxh mas, oi presbeis olwn twn xwrwn, ths Ellados symperilambanomenhs, askoyn kai oikonomikh diplwmatia.

XIWTHS: Gnwrizete kalytera apo mena pleon oti merikes fores, oi sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn oikodomoyntai apo tis symperifores twn politikwn poy tis ekproswpoyn kai twn diplwmatwn. Ara, nomizw oti ypobaqmizete eskemmena th symperifora toy k. Ris kai tis dhlwseis toy, me dedomeno oti den eginan se mia tyxaia xronikh stigmh, alla prin symplhrwqoyn 24 wres apo th synanthsh poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prepei na blepei kaneis poio einai to oysiwdes. Ean loipon milate gia opoiadhpote prowqhsh proiontwn, sas lew oti h oikonomikh diplwmatia stis sygxrones xwres, stis sygxrones koinwnies askeitai apo toys presbeis olwn twn xwrwn. Epeidh anaferqhkate se qemata diafaneias -kai sas qymizw oti shmera einai h Hmera Katapolemhshs ths Diafqoras, opws apofasise persi o Organismos Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, o k. Paylopoylos exei hdh ekdwsei analytikh anakoinwsh, thn opoia sas synistw na diabasete. Afora tis prajeis, tis energeies kai ta nomoqethmata poy exei ferei ayth h kybernhsh gia thn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras. Oi opoies diapistwseis se zhthmata diafaneias h diafqoras, einai diapistwseis poy ginontai apo dieqneis organismoys, einai diapistwseis poy ginontai apo toys Ellhnes polites, einai diapistwseis poy ginontai apo thn idia thn kybernhsh, gi` ayto kai prospaqoyme na patajoyme ena fainomeno poy exei labei pagkosmia diastash kai den einai mono ellhniko.

BLAXOS: O ellhnikos laos prepei na maqainei apo ton Amerikano Presbh, th syzhthsh me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo toy, dioti eseis mas eixate sto skotadi kai maqame apo ton k. Ris oti hrqe, ekane ton plasie twn F16, eqese kai alla qemata, den jerw an eipe kati kai gia 17N. Alhqeia edwse tipota stoixeia gia th 17N o k. Ris ston k. Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti egine mia genikh syzhthsh poy aforoyse diafora dimerh qemata. Tipote perissotero.

BLAXOS: Kai ayto einai diafwtistiko gia ton ellhniko lao se o,ti afora th synanthsh toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy me enan Amerikano Presbh h qa prepei na perimenoyme tis epomenes hmeres kai alles apokalyceis apo thn amerikanikh pleyra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qetete erwthsh - sxolio. Mporeite na to kanete monos sas.

BLAXOS: Oxi, den einai sxolio.

SIDERHS: H prwth erwthsh moy einai gia ton k. Ris: Mas proekyce neos anqypatos, opws htan kata Apostolo Kaklamanh, o k. Mperns; O k. Ris den einai mono, opws prepei na einai enas sygxronos Presbhs, emporos, oikonomikos plasie -makari na htan kai oi dikoi mas sto ejwteriko- edwse odhgies gia to forologiko systhma, gia th diafaneia, gia ta wraria twn ergazomenwn. Ayta poy eipate se mas gia thn anejarthth xwra ths Elladas, giati den ta lete me mia epistolh pros ton idio; Giati den ton kaleite@;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ektimw oti exw apanthsei hdh sto erwthma, se qesh-erwthsh poy egine apo prohgoymeno synadelfo sas.

SIDERHS: Apanthsate se epipedo oikonomikhs diastashs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei synolika sto erwthma sas. To ti isxyei sthn Ellada, to pws leitoyrgei h shmerinh kybernhsh, einai gnwsta. Apo kei kai pera, ta ypoloipa einai sxolia poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

SIDERHS: Mia proswpikh erwthsh: Exete ki eseis kamia xamhlosyntajioyxa mhtera poy th xrhmatodoteite sto telos toy mhna kai ths lynete to syntajiodotiko ths problhma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas.

SIDERHS: Akoysa ton k. Alogoskoyfh se mia thleoptikh ekpomph na leei oti exei mia mhtera h opoia einai xamhlosyntajioyxa kai kaqe mhna, aytos kai ta dyo aderfia toy th xrhmatodotoyn kai etsi lynoyn to syntajiodotiko ths problhma. Ekane de parainesh oloi oi Ellhnes na kanoyn to idio, prokeimenoy na lyqoyn ta syntajiodotika problhmata twn goniwn toys. Den eipe bebaia gia tis manades poy exoyn paidia anerga h gia tis manades poy exoyn paidia misqwtoys twn 800 kai twn 1000 eyrw. Sas qymizei ayth h parainesh Alogoskoyfh th Maria Antoyaneta kai to pantespani;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Polys qorybos sthn erwthsh sas, aplws kai mono gia na kanete ena sxolio. Exete thn eleyqeria na to kanete kai sto radiofwno poy ergazeste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati paraithqhke o dieyqynwn symboylos ths ERGOSE; Mhpws jerete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei kapoio problhma me ton k. Giannako kai me ta erga;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kan to qema. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H POESY apofasise na sas zhthsei na bgalete tis kameres. Ti qa kanete; Sas exei steilei sxetikh epistolh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, exei steilei epistolh. Den gnwrizw ti apofasise h POESY@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes to brady apofasise kai shmera stelnoyn kai thn epistolh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa perimenw thn epistolh. Ekeino poy exw pei einai kati poy to gnwrizoyn oloi. H diadikasia toy briefing einai mia dhmosia diadikasia. Htan pantote dhmosia diadikasia. Oi Ellhnes polites parakoloyqoyn. Ta idiwtika Mesa Enhmerwshs einai edw opws kai h dhmosia thleorash kai to katagrafoyn. H hxografhsh -den ginetai magnhtoskophsh opws gnwrizete- einai kaqara gia thn ejyphrethsh twn dhmosiografwn. Dhladh, gia na mporoyn na paroyn to keimeno toy briefing poly nwritera. Epi th eykairia qa hqela na sas pw oti -mhn epanalabw oti ayto isxyei edw kai para polla xronia- apo th erxomenh Deytera, h enhmerwsh qa metadidetai doryforika etsi wste na mporoyn kai ta Mesa Enhmerwshs ths perifereias na pairnoyn ta apospasmata poy toys endiaferoyn opws akribws kanoyn ta megala idiwtika kai dhmosia thleoptika diktya sthn Aqhna.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa ginetai zwntanh metadosh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws metadidetai ayth th stigmh apo th dhmosia kai thn idiwtikh thleorash. Den gnwrizw an to jerete, ta idiwtika kanalia poy einai sthmena me tis kameres toys, metadidoyn to shma -oti syzhtame edw dhladh- sto control, sto kanali toys kai epilegoyn apo ekei kai pera ti qa xrhsimopoihsoyn sthn eidhseografia toys. Ayto qa ginetai kai gia ta eparxiaka kanalia. Epishs qa ginetai kai mesw Internet, otan poly syntoma oi texnologikes synqhkes qa to epitrecoyn. Kai h kamera poy yparxei kai katagrafei ton hxo kai deixnei mono ton omiloynta qa metadidei to briefing sto Internet gia na exoyn gnwsh oi Ellhnes polites sthn eparxia, sthn perifereia, ta diktya enhmerwshs, oi efhmerides k.o.k. Epanalambanw oti einai mia dhmosia diadikasia. O qorybos poy dhmioyrgeite einai aney antikeimenoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h POESY leei oti stoys xwroys doyleias twn dhmosiografwn den qelei na yparxoyn mystikes kameres.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei edw kanenas xwros doyleias dhmosiografwn. Profanws exei ginei kapoia parejhghsh. Sthn aiqoysa ayth oi dhmosiografoi erxontai gia na kanoyn erwthseis ston Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. Milame gia dhmosio xwro, gia dhmosio ktirio, gia dhmosia enhmerwsh. Yparxei kapoios logos poy kapoios qelei na stamathsei thn enhmerwsh apo to na einai dhmosia; H enhmerwsh den einai mono gia toys dhmosiografoys poy paristantai edw. Einai gia oloys. Yparxei kapoios logos poy den prepei na blepoyn kai ta ypoloipa Mesa Enhmerwshs ths perifereias to kaqhmerino briefing toy Ekproswpoy ths kybernhshs; Den to antilambanomai. Einai enas dhmosios xwros. Ola ginontai dhmosia. Ola einai anoixta sto fws. Ean yphrxe kamera sto opoiodhpote grafeio, tote qa katalabaina to aithma. Alla edw milame gia dhmosia diadikasia poy pragmatopoieitai edw kai xronia.

KAKALHS: Afoy yparxoyn edw idiwtikes kameres kai kameres toy kratikoy kanalioy, den katalabainw poy aposkopei h paroysia twn kryfwn kamerwn. Afoy yparxei ayth h zwntanh syndesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas, ean htan kryfes oi kameres den qa tis blepate. Ara, loipon, na xrhsimopoieite fraseologia poy na antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Aytes oi kameres poy einai edw, den einai kamoyflarismenes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, kanete laqos. Ofeilete na gnwrizete thn texnologia giati epi 6 xronia toylaxiston yphrxan kai yparxoyn aytes oi kameres sto press room. Kai sto prohgoymeno ktirio yphrxan epi prohgoymenhs kybernhsews kai twra yparxoyn edw.

KAKALHS: Den nomimopoieiste omws@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai giati blepete ta pragmata toso kaxypopta. Exete na krycete kati stis erwthseis poy kanete; Fobaste kati; Giati egw briskomai edw apenanti sas gia na apanthsw sta erwthmata sas, opws kaqe hmera, kai den exw kanena logo na fobhqw tipota. Poios einai o logos poy prepei na meinei kryfh h enhmerwsh sto press room; Mporeite na moy ton peite;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oyte kai emeis exoyme na krycoyme tipote. Oyte na fobhqoyme tipote. Egw sas eipa gia thn apofash ths POESY. Eseis to pate alloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den sas kathgorw proswpika. Apantwntas sthn apofash poy moy eipate -den thn exw dei- exw labei mia epistolh. Einai alhqeia oti exw labei mia epistolh, alla den gnwrizw ean yparxei kai kati kainoyrgio apo xqes to brady. Epanalambanw oti einai mia dhmosia diadikasia. Pros Qeoy! Den einai kati mystiko.

KAKALHS: Anagnwrizete to dikaiwma ston Amerikano presbeyth na askei oikonomikh diplwmatia. Mhpws sthn pragmatikothta toy anagnwrizete to dikaiwma na parembainei stis eswterikes ypoqeseis kai sta eswterika politika pragmata ths xwras; Giati ayto ekane o Amerikanos presbeyths. Milhse apo thn 17N mexri th diafqora kai tis ergasiakes sxeseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei oti h sygxronh ellhnikh Dhmokratia, toso stis dimereis, oso kai stis polymereis sxeseis, den epitrepei parembaseis.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sta mh politika alla yparjiaka qemata poy qa klhqei h kybernhsh na parei qesh, katateqhke ena sxedio nomoy gia thn kaysh twn nekrwn. Einai ena apolyto dikaiwma twn anqrwpwn na orizoyn aytoi pws qa fygoyn apo ayth th zwh. Ti qa kanei h kybernhsh; Yparxoyn kai anqrwpoi poy to dogma toys, toys to epitrepei peran twn Xristianwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti einai ena poly synqeto qema, giati, opws eipate kai eseis, yparxoyn kai dogmata poy to epitrepoyn. Einai kati poy qa syzhthqei sth Boylh kai ekei qa akoysete kai th qesh ths kybernhshs, doqentos akribws oti yparxoyn dogmata poy to epitrepoyn.

SIDERHS: Kai enas Xristianos mporei na exei to dikaiwma kai na qelei na kaei. Einai qema anqrwpinhs eleyqerias.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati to bazete ws zhthma dogmatwn kai qrhskeytikwn k. Ekproswpe; Ayto den einai qema qrhskeytiko, einai qema Politeias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sth skech ths kybernhshs den yparxei kati tetoio, ayth th stigmh. Qa akoysoyme tis apoceis. Qa ginoyn syzhthseis sth Boylh kai qa apofasisei h Olomeleia.

SIDERHS: Prosfata eidame sta kanalia th sygklonistikh periptwsh mias Ellhnidas poy phge sthn Amerikh, se mia apo tis Politeies opoy epitrepetai h eyqanasia. Htan sygklonistiko qema. Kai pali enapokeitai sthn anqrwpinh eleyqeria kai sto dikaiwma toy anqrwpoy na kaqorisei pws qa fygei apo th zwh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai apla qemata. Den mporw proxeira na parw qesh, ayth th stigmh, gia ena toso shmantiko kai synqeto qema poy apasxolei ontws merida ths dieqnoys koinothtas.

SIDERHS: Oxi. An skeftetai h kybernhsh na to syzhthsei@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoia skech.

SIDERHS: Oyte na apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh, oxi.

LEONTITSH: Mporeite na mas peite ean anamesa sta dimerh qemata poy eipate oti syzhthsan o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Amerikanos Presbhs htan to zhthma twn F-16 kai oi ejelijeis ths 17N;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei. As mhn dhmioyrgoyntai diafores entypwseis. Ta qemata ayta syzhtoyntai sta armodia ypoyrgeia, me omologoys ypoyrgoys, me stelexh, me empeirognwmones k.o.k. Den einai qemata poy syzhtoyntai se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Yparxei dhmoskophsh poy leei oti den qeloyn oi polites ekloges alla qeloyn anasxhmatismo. Akoyte th qelhsh twn politwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H genikh apanthsh sto erwthma sas einai: Mia kybernhsh ofeilei na akoyei panta th qelhsh twn politwn.

BLAXOS: Pote qa ginei anasxhmatismos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H eidikh apanthsh -afoy rwtate gia anasxhmatismo- einai ayto poy sas exw anaferei kai alles fores, oti einai apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Opws gnwrizete, synhqws den sxoliazw gia tis dhmoskophseis.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, mas lete oti oloi oi alloi akoyne thn koinh gnwmh, ektos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo; Giati otan lete oti akoyme san kybernhsh thn koinh gnwmh, shmainei oti kai o Prwqypoyrgos akoyei thn koinh gnwmh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oso kai an prospaqw, eilikrina, den mporw na katalabw, pws o syllogismos alfa egine syllogismos bhta h gama.

BLAXOS: Ekloges qa ginoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Prowres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Ekloges genika qa ginoyn fysika, sto telos ths tetraetias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei problhma me ton yfypoyrgo Politismoy k. Tatoylh, meta ap@ ayta poy bghkan sth Xio gia kapoies katastrofes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An anafereste se qemata poy dhmosiopoihqhkan apo thleoptiko kanali -prin apo mia ebdomada nomizw- sas apantw oti, epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Tatoylh kai moy anefere oti exei ginei elegxos. Qa protimoysa na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy. Apo th syzhthsh poy eixa mazi toy -pro mias ebdomados- moy anefere oti to qema exei syzhthqei hdh ap` thn armodia Eforia. Eixan doqei oi adeies poy eprepe na doqoyn, afoy eixan prohgoymenws afaireqei ta arxaia ajias, opws ekrinan oi arxaiologoi ths perioxhs. Den gnwrizw perissoteres leptomereies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O neos proedros ths DEH, exei kapoio ptyxio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den problepetai oyte einai ypoxrewtiko apo ton kanonismo, na exei kapoio ptyxio. Sigoyra exei para polla ptyxia, sthn empeiria ths zwhs, stis megales qeseis poy anelabe sta polla xronia poy asxolhqhke ston trapeziko klado.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh epizhta akomh kai ``nekroys ston polemo'' poy diejagei stis DEKO, opws eipe o yfypoyrgos Apasxolhshs G. Giakoymatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Giakoymatos, den eipe oti ``epizhta nekroys''. Alimono.

KAKALHS: Ti eipe;

GKOYTZANHS: Oti qa yparjoyn kai ``nekroi s@ ayto ton polemo''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mia fraseologia metaforikoy periexomenoy, as mhn metaferetai edw allhgorika.

GKOYTZANHS: Metaforika to rwtame kai emeis. Qa yparjoyn nekroi s` ayton ton polemo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean rwtate, ean h kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na proxwrhsei stis megales metarryqmiseis, sas apantw: Einai apofasismenh na proxwrhsei stis megales metarryqmiseis.

KAKALHS: Gia poies metarryqmiseis poy kaneis den tolmhse mexri shmera, dhlwse perhfanos xqes o Prwqypoyrgos; Gi` aytes poy ejomoiwnoyn pros th ftwxeia toys ergazomenoys kai poy elastikopoioyn tis ergasiakes sxeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte to ena symbainei, oyte to allo. Ekeino to opoio symbainei, opws gnwrizete, einai oi metarryqmiseis stis DEKO, oi opoies qa bohqhsoyn sigoyra tis idies tis epixeirhseis se antagwnistika periballonta. Qa anaptyjoyn tis epixeirhseis se oikonomiko epipedo pros to symferon twn ergazomenwn twn epixeirhsewn aytwn, twn katanalwtwn kai bebaiws genikotera ths ellhnikhs Oikonomias. Qa eprepe na kathgorhsei kapoios mia kybernhsh ean afhne sthn idia poreia katastaseis poy einai gnwsto apo to parelqon oti odhgoysan sthn apajiwsh twn dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn koinhs wfeleias. Anakoptetai ayth h poreia kai dhmioyrgoyntai nees synqhkes kai proypoqeseis poly kalyteres gia oloys sto mellon.

KAKALHS: Apo poy prokyptei oti oi metarryqmiseis aytes tygxanoyn ths yposthrijhs twn politwn, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton: Oi polites to exoyn dhlwsei, stis ekloges, afoy gnwrizan apo to programma ths N.D. oti qa ginoyn tetoies metarryqmiseis. Den aifnidiase kanenas m` ayto. Deytero -paroti exw epanalabei polles fores oti xrhsimopoiw mono ws ergaleio doyleias tis dhmoskophseis- qa hqela na ajiopoihsw ayta poy eipe prohgoymenws o k. Blaxos gia th dhmoskophsh: Yparxei kai mia poly shmantikh anafora, metajy kai pollwn allwn metrhsewn koinhs gnwmhs, gia to oti h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, tassetai yper aytwn twn metarryqmisewn. Epanalambanw oti to oysiwdes einai pws oi @Ellhnes polites chfisan stis ekloges ths 7hs Martioy toy 2004, aytes tis metarryqmiseis, opws problepontai sto programma ths N.D.

KAKALHS: Sto programma ths N.D. den yphrxe kamia anafora gia katarghsh syllogikwn symbasewn oyte yphrxe kamia anafora gia elastikopoihsh ergasiakwn sxesewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katargei kaneis tis syllogikes symbaseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sthn Kypro, yparxei megalo problhma, to opoio dystyxws to pername aparathrhta. Sthn odo Lhdras yparxei megalo problhma. Oi Toyrkoi pane na kanoyne kratos en kratei. Exoyn proxwrhsei, exoyn parei th mish zwnh kai h men Kypriakh Dhmokratia ekane tis dikes ths parastaseis. Dierwtwmai, h Ellada, toso sthn E.E. oso kai sta H.E., exei proxwrhsei se kapoies parastaseis mesw toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimaste se synennohsh me thn kypriakh kybernhsh, opws ginetai se ola ta qemata. Den gnwrizw na sas apanthsw sygkekrimena. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn h na anamenete ws th Deytera na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw.

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