Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-12-05

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Aqhna, 5 Dekembrioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, stis 11:00, synedriazei, sto Megaro Majimoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, poy aforoyn th farmakeytikh politikh kai to trito paidi.

Qa kanw ena syntomo sxolio se o,ti afora ta osa mexri stigmhs akoysa, giati den ta gnwrizw ola, se synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse o prwhn Proedros ths DEH k. Palaiokrassas: O k. Palaiokrassas anaferqhke stis ypoqeseis poy esteile ston Eisaggelea. Ypoqeseis poy diereyna h dikaiosynh, h opoia kai entelei qa apofanqei. Gia ola ta qemata poy aforoyn th DEH, qa apanthsei h dioikhsh ths.

Se o,ti afora ta politika zhthmata poy eqese, gia mia akomh fora, h qesh ths kybernhshs einai pagia kai staqerh: Diafaneia pantoy kai gia oloys. Ola ta stoixeia sth Dikaiosynh. Staqera apenanti sth diaplokh kai sth diafqora. Kamia energeia ths kybernhshs den jefyge kai den jefeygei apo ayth thn arxh. Ta eswterika zhthmata ths dioikhshs ths DEH diepontai apo tis arxes ths Etairikhs Diakybernhshs poy isxyoyn se oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres. Aoristologies kai genikothtes pote den synebalan sthn yphrethsh ths diafaneias.

Se o,ti afora ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs, einai gnwsto kai to hqos kai h ergatikothta kai h apotelesmatikothta toy kai h apolyth proshlwsh toy sth xrhsth dioikhsh kai th diafaneia. O ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs qa probei kai aytos, argotera, se dhlwseis gia to qema.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: O k. Palaiokrassas kathgorhse ton k. Sioyfa gia meqodeysh se o,ti afora thn topoqethsh toy k. Mizan sth qesh toy sth DEH. Qewreite eseis oti yphrjan meqodeyseis apo thn pleyra ths politikhs hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs gia thn topoqethsh proswpwn se qeseis kleidia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H epilogh twn genikwn dieyqyntwn se mia tetoia etaireia einai apokleistiko qema ths dioikhshs ths etaireias, h opoia kai, en prokeimenw, apofasise. Isws gnwrizete oti apofasise me pleiochfia 10 sta 11 melh toy symboylioy, meiochfoyntos mono toy k. Palaiokrassa. Metajy aytwn twn melwn toy dioikhtikoy symboylioy, -peran aytwn poy exoyn dioristei apo thn pleiochfoysa pleyra- yparxoyn ekproswpoi twn ergazomenwn, kaqws epishs kai ths OKE. Ayto to qema apotelei arxh gia thn kybernhsh, o tropos dhladh me ton opoio epilegontai oi genikoi dieyqyntes.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean kata thn ektimhsh ths kybernhshs yparxei diaplokh sth DEH, ennow meta tis ekloges.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei me thn prwth topoqethsh moy. To zhthma ths diaplokhs kai to pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh tetoia zhthmata, exoyn apanthqei polles fores. Ean yparxei opoiadhpote yponoia, endeijh, poly perissotero bebaia apodeijh, ofeilei opoios thn epikaleitai na steilei ta opoia stoixeia exei sth dikaiosynh.

TSIODRAS: Ayto den yparxei kata thn ektimhsh sas, efoson h kybernhsh den exei kinhqei prokeimenoy na staloyn@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na pisteyw oti an yphrxe kati perissotero, o k. Palaiokrassas me thn parrhsia poy ton diakrinei, afoy esteile hdh kapoies ypoqeseis, qa estelne kai alles. Ektos kai an kati synebh kai den to phre eidhsh. Elpizw na mhn synebh kati tetoio.

TSIODRAS: Epishs, sth lejh gia ``meqodeyseis'', den anaferetai mono sto dioikhtiko symboylio. Anaferqhke se politikes apofaseis, oi opoies enexoyn, kata ton k. Palaiokrassa, yponoies diaplokhs. Paradeigma se sxesh me thn paramonh toy k. Nezh. Toylaxiston kata ton k. Palaiokrassa ayto deixnei oti h kybernhsh symbibasthke, na to pw etsi, me symferonta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto prwto skelos toy erwthmatos, qewrw oti exw hdh apanthsei. Sto deytero zhthma to opoio qesate gia ton prwhn dieyqynonta symboylo, qelw na sas pw oti o dieyqynwn symboylos ths DEH eixe symbolaio me thn etaireia mexri to 2007. Qelame h antikatastash toy na ginei se xrono poy qa ejyphretoyse ta symferonta ths etaireias kata ton kalytero dynato tropo kai symfwna me tis arxes ths neas diakybernhshs. To kainoyrio proswpo qa briskotan ystera apo synennohsh twn dyo synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn Oikonomias & Oikonomikwn kai Anaptyjhs kai toy proedroy ths etaireias. Ayta ta gnwrizei poly kala o k. Palaiokrassas oti synebhsan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate ``diafaneia pantoy kai gia oloys''. Sth DEH yparxei diafaneia, ap` o,ti diapistwsate san kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai to aithma, ayth einai h apaithsh, ayth einai h entolh. H entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai opoios exei to opoiodhpote stoixeio ofeilei na to kataqesei ston armodio ypoyrgo, ton politiko proistameno kai taytoxronws sth dikaiosynh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto ekane o k. Palaiokrassas. Epta ypoqeseis esteile sth dikaiosynh. Den eprepe na yparjei kai mia politikh apofash, ektos apo thn parapomph sth dikaiosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite na yparjei politikh apofash; Den sas ftanei h dikaiosynh; Den yparxei anwtato stadio peran ths dikaiosynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, yparxoyn kai politikes apofaseis. Den yparxei mono h dikaiosynh. Yparxoyn kai politikes apofaseis poy kapoios tiqetai se argia, se proswrinh argia kai ginetai enas elegxos kai mia EDE. Eginan ayta ta pragmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly swsta rwtate. Parakalw, rwthste ton mexri shmera proedro ths DEH, giati opws gnwrizete th dioikhsh askei o proedros kai to dioikhtiko symboylio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O dieyqynwn symboylos kanei koymanto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai o dieyqynwn symboylos. Kanete laqos. Gnwrizete poly kala oti yphrjan kai ektelestikes armodiothtes, eidika gia ton proedro ayths ths etaireias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan o dieyqynwn symboylos, omws, einai diatrhtos, opws leei o k. Palaiokrassas, ti EDE na diatajei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakaloysa na mhn ypokyptoyme se eykoloys xarakthrismoys. Ola ta stoixeia ta opoia didontai h prepei na didontai sth dhmosiothta, prepei prwta na apodeixqoyn. Apo th stigmh poy apodeixqoyn kai meta, bebaiws oi xarakthrismoi mporei na einai gia ton kaqenan aytoi poy nomizei.

SIDERHS: Katarxhn, den jerw an prepei na sas milaw ston eniko pleon, logw diaforas hlikias@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Toso megalyteros moy eiste;

SIDERHS: Akribws. Alla, lete synexeia ayto poy elege kai o Shmiths oti opoios exei stoixeia, ston Eisaggelea. Ma den einai politikh apanthsh ayth, giati ap` o,ti eidame kai apo th synenteyjh Palaiokrassa, mporei kallista na yparxoyn yponoies oi opoies den apodeiknyontai kai o Eisaggeleas qa anagkastei na bgalei kaqarh mia ypoqesh. Einai qema politikwn apofasewn. Apodeiknyetai ston Eisaggelea h paranomia. Den apodeiknyetai h diaplokh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eyxaristw gia thn erwthsh, xwris ayto na ypainissetai oti thn eixame synennohqei kiolas. Den exei ginei kati tetoio.

SIDERHS: Den qa to pisteye, fantazomai, kaneis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa to pisteye kai kaneis gia sas. Wstoso, qelw na epishmanw, oti yparxei mia poly megalh diafora sthn politikh proseggish twn qematwn. Sas qymizw oti o k. Shmiths, apeyqynomenos sthn antipoliteysh elege monimws: Lete, lete diafora pragmata, ean exete stoixeia phgainete ta ston Eisaggelea. Emeis, loipon, ws kybernhsh, ayto den to apeyqynoyme genikws kai aoristws se opoio komma askei kritikh. Emeis ekeino to opoio leme sta stelexh mas prwta ap` ola, stoys ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs, stoys yfypoyrgoys, stoys dioikhtes h proedroys organismwn poy dioristhkan epi neas diakybernhshs einai: Opoia stoixeia yparxoyn, ayta ta stoixeia oxi mono den prepei na ta ``koykoylwnete'', alla prepei na ta stelnete sth dikaiosynh. Ayth, loipon, einai mia eidopoios diafora, qa moy epitrecete na pw, eydiakrith sta matia olwn mas, dioti sthn periptwsh toy PASOK htan mia apajiwtikh kai aporriptikh fraseologia. Edw milame gia oysia politikhs kai oysia drashs sthn politikh. Ean, loipon, yparxoyn se opoiondhpote organismo, opoiadhpote stoixeia poy egeiroyn endeijeis, fysika poly perissotero ean yparxoyn apodeijeis, ofeilei h proistamenh arxh, o dioikhths, o proedros, o dieyqynwn symboylos na kataqesei ayta ta stoixeia sth dikaiosynh.

SIDERHS: Tsampa oi eyxaristies sas giati qa sas pw oti krybeste pisw apo to nomotypo twn nomikwn diadikasiwn kai den antimetwpizete to qema ``diaplokh'' sto politiko toy epipedo. O Eisaggeleas, ean den yparxoyn apodeijeis paranomias, den qa kanei tipota. Mporei kai oi 7 aytes ypoqeseis poy phgan ston Eisaggelea na bgoyn kaqares. Shmainei oti xtyphsate th diaplokh, an exoyn bgei kaqares, epeidh den qa yparxoyn stoixeia; Giati, aytos poy diapleketai frontizei na mh dinei stoixeia, na einai panta nomotypos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na kanw dyo parathrhseis: Prwton, milame gia th dieykrinish ths diaforas metajy ths politikhs fraseologias kai ths politikhs drashs. Sthn prwth periptwsh exoyme na kanoyme me politikh fraseologia poy htan ena eykolo epixeirhma, prokeimenoy na jeperasei tis dyskolies poy eixe o tote Prwqypoyrgos. Sth deyterh periptwsh, ths shmerinhs kybernhshs exoyme na kanoyme me apofash kai politikh drash. Deyteron, efoson yparxoyn opoiesdhpote paratypies h paranomies, tote bebaiws yparxei kai diaplokh. H diaplokh, loipon, otan kapoios thn epikaleitai, yparxei gia na apodeixqei, yparxei gia na katakriqei. Na katakriqei politika, na ginei dhladh h politikh ths krish kai h aporrich ths. Kai ayto to exei kanei ayth h kybernhsh, to exei kanei h Nea Dhmokratia apo tote poy htan sthn antipoliteysh. Kai yparxei kai h apodeijh sthn prajh, dioti genikes kai aoristes anafores oi opoies sthn prajh den apodeiknyontai, antilambaneste oti to mono poy kanoyn einai na dhmioyrgoyn mia seira lanqasmenwn entypwsewn.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh eipate eseis gia thn eidopoio diafora me thn antistoixh politikh toy PASOK, entolh sta stelexh ths kybernhshs kai stoys ypoyrgoys opoy yparxoyn akomh endeijeis na prosfeygoyn ston eisaggelea kai apo ekei kai pera sth Dikaiosynh. Ayto, omws, den akoygetai politika san na skopeyei h kybernhsh na poinikopoihsei thn epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta; Giati oloi gnwrizoyme panw katw poio einai to periballon kai shmera o k. Palaiokrassas afhse kai kapoies aixmes oti h DEH den mporoyse na doylecei me jenes epixeirhseis. Einai strathgikh epilogh ths kybernhshs loipon na enisxysei tis egxwries epixeirhseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthsh sas, den mporw na apanthsw, giati afora ena ejeidikeymeno qema. Eimai bebaios oti qa doqei apanthsh apo th dioikhsh ths DEH. Oson afora to prwto, milhsa gia tis politikes diafores metajy twn dyo kommatwn. Thn politikh diafora metajy ths kybernhshs toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias.

MIXAHL: Kat` arxhn, eipate oti efoson yparxoyn paratypies, yparxei kai diaplokh. Den shmainei to antistrofo. Polles fores mporei na mhn yparxoyn paratypies, alla h diaplokh na paramenei. Se ayto den apantate kai den mas lete sthn periptwsh poy den yparxoyn paratypies, opws epemene o k. Siderhs prohgoymenws, alla h diaplokh na einai paroysa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, loipon, oti ofeilei kapoios na thn kataggeilei. Ofeilei na pei ta pragmata me to onoma toys kai me to onomatepwnymo toys, ean xreiastei. Ayto leme emeis. As pei, loipon, kapoios me onomatepwnymo ta pragmata, oti synebh ayto kai ayto, to opoio odhgei se ayto to asfales symperasma. Ean den eipwqei ayto, antilambaneste oti oi genikes kai aoristes anafores den stoixeioqetoyn tipota.

MIXAHL: O k. Stefanoy einai G.G. toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs. Me poioy thn entolh esteile shmera to prwi ejwdiko ston k. Palaiokrassa, zhtwntas toy na dieykrinisei ean ton aforoyn h oxi ta osa o idios leei oti eis baros toy grafontai to Sabbatokyriako ston Typo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete profanws mia lanqasmenh entypwsh oti ta politika onta einai kai aboyla onta. Kanete megalo laqos. O k. Papadopoylos exei to logo.

MIXAHL: Ti shmainei ayto k. Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Skefteite to ligo oso qa apantw ston k. Papadopoylo kai an den to katalabete me janarwtate.

MIXAHL: Nai, to katalaba. Mia allh erwthsh. To hjere o k. Sioyfas poy einai politikos toy proistamenos; To hjere h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: An moy to epitrepete, aisqhtikws toylaxiston, bebaiws to dikaiologhsate kai politikws kai lektikws, mhn anafereste sth frash toy Shmith kai toy Prwtopapa oti ``osoi exete stoixeia phgainete ta ston eisaggelea''. Aisqhtikws @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa, omws, oti yparxei mia eidopoios diafora.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Entajei, to dexomaste. Alla aisqhtikws mas fernei pisw se ena parelqon, to opoio den einai toso eyxaristo. To stereotypo ayto.

POYLIDOY: Na dieykrinistei oti einai proswpikh apoch.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Proswpikh moy gnwmh ekferw k. synadelfos, an den sas aresei.

POYLIDOY: Den moy aresei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dikaiwma sas. Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: O k. Palaiokrassas ejelegh boyleyths Kykladwn. Amesws meta thn analhch ejoysias apo th Nea Dhmokratia, paraithqhke me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai phge sth DEH. Meta ta osa eginan, o k. Palaiokrasssas ejetelese thn entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kata ton tropo poy qa endiefere thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa afhsw to erwthma ayto na apanthqei apo thn prajh. Kaqenas mporei na krinei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi. H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo ayto to stelexos ths, to opoio to anagkase h to ypoxrewse na afhsei@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa, qa afhsw na apanthqei apo thn prajh. Kai h prajh leei oti o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs prwta kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth synexeia zhthsan apo ton k. Palaiokrassa thn paraithsh toy. Ara, exei hdh apanthqei apo thn prajh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den exei apanthqei kai to allo, omws, k. Ekproswpe@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Den me rwthsate gia to ``allo''. Gi` ayto me rwthsate. An me rwthsete kai gia to ``allo'', qa sas apanthsw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Safws. Alla kai eseis apo mia lejh pate se mia allh. Mhn to apopoieite sto synomilhth sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Apanthsa se ayto poy me rwthsate. Den gnwrizw ti einai ``allo''.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O k. Palaiokrassas anefere orismena stoixeia, sygkekrimena yposthrizei ekeinos, ta opoia htan en gnwsei kai toy k. Sioyfa kai toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy. Me ayth thn ennoia mporoyme na bgaloyme kai emeis ta symperasmata mas, symfwna me tis odhgies sas, oti o k. Palaiokrassas den ekane ayta poy toy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipa kai sthn arxikh moy dhlwsh, anefere mia seira stoixeiwn, ta opoia hdh ereyna h Dikaiosynh.

XIWTHS: Sthn arxh ths synenteyjh toy o k. Palaiokrassas qewrhse kalo na dieykrinisei, na aposafhnisei, oti paramenei stelexos ths paratajhs toy. Qa hqela na rwthsw, h kybernhsh pisteyei to idio; Pisteyei oti o k. Palaiokrassas paramenei sth Nea Dhmokratia meta apo ayth th symperifora kai aytes tis prwtoboylies h epeidh traymatise thn paratajh toy proebh se exqrikes energeies pros thn paratajh toy, o k. Palaiokrassas den anhkei pia sth Nea Dhmokratia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean ginetai tetoia syzhthsh apo ta armodia organa ths Neas Dhmokratias.

XIWTHS: Sygnwmh. Thn apoch ths kybernhshs zhtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

PEPONHS: Protrepete kaqe kybernhtiko stelexos, ean exei kapoia stoixeia na phgainei ston eisaggelea. Fantazomai -kai mallon to eipate ligo sthn arxh- oti enhmerwnoyn kai toys proistamenoys toys an aytoi oi fakeloi xrhzoyn na pane ston eisaggelea. Aytoi oi epta fakeloi poy esteile o k. Palaiokrassas ston eisaggelea, xrhzoyn pragmati gia thn kybernhsh na pane;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn hdh katateqei. Ti ennoeite ean xrhzoyn anagkhs gia thn kybernhsh na pane;

PEPONHS: Ean einai hdh ekei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ereynwntai.

PEPONHS: Nai, ereynwntai. An kai h kybernhsh exei thn idia gnwmh na ereynhqoyn, na pane ston eisaggelea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws qa ereynhqoyn. Stoixeia poy exoyn paei sth Dikaiosynh fysika kai qa ereynhqoyn.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na kanw dyo erwthseis. Ta stoixeia exoyn paei ston Eisaggelea edw kai arketoys mhnes. Eseis otan phgate kai eidate toys sygkekrimenoys fakeloys, thn kaqe mia periptwsh poy kataggellei o k. Palaiokrassas, niwqete oti yparxei kati periergo, kati to opoio prepei na diereynhqei; Qewreite oti politika einai ola entajei; Pws briskete thn oysia aytwn twn ypoqesewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy zhtate na kanw krish epi ypoqesewn me tis opoies asxoleitai h Dikaiosynh, epi fakelwn oi opoioi einai ogkwdeis apo ta polla stoixeia poy periexoyn.

TSIODRAS: Politika ws kybernhsh krinete oti ontws xrhzoyn diereynhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Politika krinetai h prajh. Yparxei mia seira qematwn toy parelqontos, opws diapistwsate kai eseis, poy exoyn doqei ston Eisaggelea kai ta opoia prepei na kriqoyn. As kriqoyn loipon apo th Dikaiosynh.

TSIODRAS: H deyterh erwthsh afora sto ejhs: Eipate prin na pane sth Dikaiosynh. Edw prepei nomizw na kanoyme mia diakrish anamesa sthn politikh eyqynh kai sth dikastikh diereynhsh. An se pente organismoys fanei oti synexizetai h diaplokh, oti ginetai remoyla kai xanontai xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy, ontws ajizei na asxolhqei h Dikaiosynh. Omws yparxei kai mia politikh eyqynh kaqe fora sthn kybernhsh gia to poioys diorizei kai to ti ginetai. An dhladh exete diorisei pente dioikhtes kai apo katw ginontai ayta poy eipame prin, exete politikh eyqynh. Bebaiws qa to diereynhsei h Dikaiosynh, omws h politikh eyqynh sthn kybernhsh yparxei. Ayto se sxesh me to ``phgainete ston Eisaggelea''. Entajei na paei ston Eisaggelea o k. Palaiokrassas, omws an synexizetai h diaplokh sth DEH, thn eyqynh thn exei h kybernhsh politika. Den thn exei o k. Palaiokrassas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporoyse na apotelei thn arxh enos kaloy arqroy, endexomenws, me to ``ean'' to opoio qesate kai me titlo ``Ean''. Opws gnwrizete se erwthseis me to ``ean'' den apantw. Sas lew thn politikh topoqethsh ths kybernhshs, h opoia einai safhs kai staqerh.

TSIODRAS: Den mporei omws na lete ``phgainete ston Eisaggelea''. Prepei h kybernhsh na analambanei to politiko meridio ths eyqynhs poy ths analogei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, kaqe kybernhsh analambanei thn politikh eyqynh poy ths analogei gia yparkta qemata.

POYLIDOY: Gnwrizete, an o Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse me ton k. Sioyfa shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws exw pei kai alles fores se antistoixa erwthmata, o Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnei kaqhmerina me toys ypoyrgoys toy.

POYLIDOY: Me ton sygkekrimeno gnwrizete kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh.

POYLIDOY: Ara mas lete oti exei epikoinwnhsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan sas lew oti epikoinwnei kaqhmerina me toys ypoyrgoys toy h me toys perissoteroys opws eixa anaferei kai thn teleytaia fora.

POYLIDOY: O k. Palaiokrassas, einai ena stelexos ths paratajhs, poy exei kosmhsei me thn paroysia toy polles kybernhseis ths N.D. kai qa hqela na rwthsw an katopin toytoy kai twn teleytaiwn ejelijewn, skeftetai h kybernhsh na ton ajiopoihsei se ena allo posto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoia skech.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw me poia krithria epelegh o k. Palaiokrassas apo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia na analabei mia poly krisimh qesh, ayths ths megalyterhs DEKO ths xwras kai an me ta idia krithria epelegh kai o diadoxos toy, k. Kyriakopoylos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anefere merika apo ayta ta krithria kai h k. Poylidoy, prohgoymenws, skiagrafwntas thn proswpikothta Palaiokrassa.

SARANTAKOS: Qelete na moy ta peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den qa sas ta pw.

SARANTAKOS: Na balw th dhlwsh ths k. Poylidoy;

SPYRAKH: Eipate oti kaqe kybernhsh analambanei to meridio ths eyqynhs poy ths analogei, gia qemata yparkta. Analambanei h kybernhsh to meridio ths politikhs eyqynhs gia tis apeyqeias anaqeseis sth DEH, poy eginan epi twn hmerwn ths kybernhsews ths N.D. kai malista otan sto timoni htan o k. Palaiokrassas; O k. Palaiokrassas kathggeile pro oligoy apeyqeias anaqesh sto qema ths synthrhshs toy Layrioy, sthn etairia METKA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson oi diadikasies poy exoyn akoloyqhqei einai nomimes, antilambaneste oti to qema aplws ekpempetai ws pyrotexnhma. Ean -gia na xrhsimopoihsw to prosfiles ``ean'' toy synadelfoy sas- yparxoyn paranomies h paratypies kai efoson aytes tis exei parapemcei o k. Palaiokrassas sth Dikaiosynh, qa exoyme thn apanthsh apo th Dikaiosynh. H genikh anafora thn opoia kanate se anaqeseis deixnei mia eikona h dinei mia eikona h dinei mia aisqhsh eikonas. Opws jerete, yparxoyn diadikasies sto Dhmosio, opoy ginontai kai anaqeseis nomimws. Ara loipon, den qa ypeiselqw se kaqe leptomereia. Anefera, hdh, oti h dioikhsh ths DEH qa apanthsei sta osa zhthmata anefere o k. Palaiokrassas gia th DEH. Fantazomai qa apanthsei s` ayto poy lete.

MELETHS: Poies htan oi energeies poy ekane h kybernhsh kai h dioikhsh thn opoia diorise sth DEH meta thn 7h Martioy 2004, gia na steilei ston Eisaggelea kai na ejaleicei to qema ths diaplokhs kai ths diafqoras, thn opoia kathggeile proeklogika ta prohgoymena xronia sth DEH; Kai deyteron ean ayto poy anaferate prohgoymenws, oti dhmioyrgoyntai lanqasmenes entypwseis, aforoyn kai thn parapomph twn epta ypoqesewn apo ton k. Palaiokrasa ston Eisaggelea.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, apanthsa se sygkekrimeno plaisio se prohgoymenh erwthsh. Ara den exei kanena nohma na epanalabw ta osa eipa. Oson afora to prwto, molis to eipate kai eseis, estalhsan dhladh ypoqeseis ston Eisaggelea.

MELETHS: Symfwneite, epomenws, me thn energeia toy k. Palaiokrassa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan epikaloymaste, opoios exei opoiodhpote stoixeio na prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh, einai dynaton na diafwnoyme me to na katateqoyn stoixeia sth Dikaiosynh;

MELETHS: Kai gia poio logo zhthqhke h paraithsh toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai teleiws diaforetika ta qemata. Gnwrizete poly kala, ti synebh thn prohgoymenh ebdomada.

SIDERHS: Eseis poy kataggellate th diaplokh, poses ypoqeseis steilate epi PASOK ston Eisaggelea; Kai poses mh nomotypes symbaseis twn periwnymwn ntabatzhdwn brhkate sta syrtaria sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste se emena proswpika;

SIDERHS: Pote den anaferomai proswpika se esas. To deytero plhqyntiko, einai sthn kybernhsh. An einai dynaton, exw ejhghsei oti eiste o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Mono gia thn hlikia sas, sas ekana komplimento kai anaferqhka proswpika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn parejhgeiste. Eyxaristw poly poy moy to ypenqymizete. Apla dieykrinisa thn erwthsh sas. Yparxei mia seira ypoqesewn poy exoyn ereynhqei, exoyn ginei EDE, exoyn paei sth Dikaiosynh kapoies ap` aytes, alles ap@ aytes exoyn ejantlhqei se peiqarxika paraptwmata sta opoia epeblhqhsan peiqarxikes poines, opws problepetai apo toys kanonismoys toy Kwdika Dhmosiwn Ypallhlwn k.o.k.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, an ola ayta poy eginan sth DEH, eginan, opws lete, nomima kai yparxoyn kai anaqeseis nomimes, pws phgainan ola se enan anqrwpo; San kybernhsh den sas apasxolei ayto to qema, na to cajete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ennoeite, otan lete pws phgainan ola se enan anqrwpo. Akoysa ton k. Palaiokrassa na anaferetai se mia seira apo epixeirhmaties oi opoioi synergazontai me th DEH. Fantazomai omws oti kai se ayto to qema, qa yparjei apanthsh apo th dioikhsh ths DEH. Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws sta epi meroys zhthmata h DEH qa apanthsei shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H merida toy leontos phgaine se sygkekrimeno atomo. Opws palia phgaine se eqniko promhqeyth, se eqniko kataskeyasth, poy legate, twra phgaine se allo sygkekrimeno promhqeyth ths DEH.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Blepw oti diorqwnete thn prwth erwthsh kai kalws kanete, dioti ontws den yphrxe enas epixeirhmatias poy na synergazetai me th DEH. Yphrxan polloi epixeirhmaties. Yphrxan kai yparxoyn epixeirhmaties poy synergazontai me th DEH. Qa dwsei omws apanthsh, eimai bebaios, h DEH kai s` ayto to qema, to opoio qetete.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie ypoyrge, yphrje opoiadhpote epikoinwnia toy k. Palaiokrassa me ton Prwqypoyrgo prin apo th shmerinh synenteyjh Typoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi kamia. Kai epi th eykairia, qa hqela na pw oti diaceydw ws fantasiwsh toy opoioy to egrace, kati poy diabasa ston Typo, peri prospaqeias mesolabhsews k.lp.,

XIWTHS: Qelw na epimeinw sto pws blepei h kybernhsh thn symperifora toy k. Palaiokrassa, apo th stigmh poy ypebale paraithsh kai meta. Dhladh, apofeygete na sxoliasete, toso to periexomeno ths epistolhs toy, oso kai thn prwtoboylia toy na dwsei mia synenteyjh Typoy, h opoia den synhqizetai, meta thn ypobolh paraithshs kai malista me enan tetoio tropo. Qewreite oti ayto einai fysiologiko h qewreite oti o k. Palaiokrassas strefetai pleon enantion ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia shmasia pws krinw thn energeia toy k. Palaiokrassa. Politika, ws synolo dhladh energeiwn, thn exw hdh krinei. Den qa pw tipota sta epimeroys.

XIWTHS: O k. Palaiokrassas qewrhse skopima apo monos toy na dieykrinisei oti aphyqyne thn epistolh se prwto eniko proswpo, epeidh gnwrizete kala me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qewreite oti kai o Prwqypoyrgos etsi to ejelabe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

TSIODRAS: Gia thn apeyqeias anaqesh toyfekiwn apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas: Eseis kataggellate to PASOK gia tis apeyqeias anaqeseis poy eginan ta prohgoymena xronia. Fainetai oti akoloyqeite thn idia meqodo. Kai deyteron, se sxesh me to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, speydei h kybernhsh na apanthsei, entos tessarwn hmerwn, sthn epistolh poy exei stalei apo tis HPA se sxesh me ta F-16. Giati se periorismeno diasthma speydei na apanthsei; Den ekrine, efoson yphrxe h apofash gia thn agora, oti eprepe olo to prohgoymeno diasthma na proxwrhsei stis anagkaies kinhseis kai oxi teleytaia stigmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean speydei -opws anaferete- h kybernhsh. Se o,ti afora to deytero qema, gnwrizw oti yparxei mia seira diadikasiwn, oi opoies exoyn akoloyqhqei edw kai kapoioys mhnes. Gia to prwto qema, epikoinwnhsa shmera to prwi me to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai qa sas diabasw ta shmeia, me ta opoia me enhmerwsan gia thn ypoqesh poy rwthsate: Den einai akribes oti den egine diagwnismos gia ta toyfekia. Meta th sxetikh prokhryjh edeijan endiaferon eji promhqeytes, oi opoioi telika meiwqhkan se treis. Ej aytwn, prosfora, telikws, kateqese monon enas. Gia plhrh diasfalish toy dhmosioy symferontos, h ellhnikh pleyra hrqe se epafh me to germaniko dhmosio kai pragmatopoihse diakratikh symfwnia me oroys eynoikoteroys apo thn prosfora toy teleytaioy enapomeinantos endiaferomenoy. Basei th symfwnhmenhs synergasias, metajy toy germanikoy dhmosioy, twn ellhnikwn amyntikwn systhmatwn kai toy monadikoy endiaferomenoy, h paragwgh twn toyfekiwn qa ginei sthn EBO Aigioy me toys pio symferontes oroys. Me ton tropo ayto kai ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy yphrethqhkan kai h dhmosiothta toy diagwnismoy thrhqhke. Sas qymizw, symplhrwmatika, oti h diakratikh symfwnia htan enas apo toys dyo oroys poy eixame qesei sto proeklogiko mas programma, oti qa prepei na ginontai oi promhqeies oplikwn systhmatwn.

MELETHS: Ean moy epitrepete, ep` aytoy, bebaiws eidame oti h diakratikh symfwnia sto qema twn F -16 den apodeixqhke kai poly symferoysa gia ta symferonta ths xwras, kaqoti yparxei mia ypertimologhsh peripoy 1,5 dis eyrw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na kanete eykolws tis diapistwseis sas sthn efhmerida sas h sto Meso poy ergazeste. Ean qelete na moy kanete erwthsh, na sas apanthsw.

MELETHS: Erwthsh einai. Aplws na prosqesw ena erwthmatiko sto telos: Qewreite oti htan toso epikerdhs gia ta eqnika symferonta h diakratikh symfwnia gia ta F-16;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthsei o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynhs sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs. Menw se ayth thn apanthsh.

STAQOPOYLOS: O k. Papadopoylos shmera eipe oti o toyrkikos stratos qelei na katalabei thn nekrh zwnh sthn Kypro. Ena sxolio diko sas, qa hqela.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ayth th dhlwsh toy Proedroy Papadopoyloy. Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw.

KYRITSHS: Epanaferw mia erwthsh gia ta F-16 poy sas eixa kanei thn prohgoymenh ebdomada: Qelw na moy peite ean prokeitai na katablhqoyn, mesa sto 2006, xrhmata gia ayta ta aeroskafh, ean exoyn eggrafei ston proypologismo kai posa xrhmata einai. Kai to rwtw epeidh einai enas poly sfiktos proypologismos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na dwsw thn apanthsh ayth thn wra. Qa hqela omws -epeidh einai ejeidikeymenes erwthseis- na tis apeyqynete sta armodia ypoyrgeia.

KYRITSHS: Einai para polla ta lefta. Enamish dis eyrw einai ``dyo DEH''. H erwthsh moy einai kaqara politikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paramenei, omws, ejeidikeymenh h erwthsh. Rwtate ean qa plhrwqei h prwth dosh to 2006. Kai sas apantw: Parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sta ypoyrgeia Oikonomias kai Eqnikhs Amynhs.

TSIODRAS: Sth synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn ESHEA syzhthqhke to aggelioshmo, kai poia einai h kybernhtikh qesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, egine mia syzhthsh. Qelw na pw oti, opws eipwqhke kai sthn ESHEA, den einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na allajei to kaqestws gia to aggelioshmo.

XIWTHS: O Proedros toy OTE, k. Boyrloymhs, kateqese mia protash, to Sabbato ean den apatwmai, gia ayjhsh twn oriwn syntajiodothshs sto IKA. Afenos qelw na jerw, ean h kybernhsh paramenei sthn arxikh ths qesh, giati synhqws o,ti zhta o k. Boyrloymhs to yioqetei h kybernhsh kai deyteron ean synista mia anakoloyqia, o Proedros toy OTE afenos men na kaqierwnei ``xrysoys'' syntajioyxoys sta 48 h 50 xronia, kai sth synexeia na eishgeitai ayjhsh orioy syntajiodothshs sto IKA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paramenei h politikh ths kybernhshs opws exei analyqei.

XIWTHS: Den qewreite oti yparxei kapoia anakoloyqia stis dhlwseis toy k. Boyrloymh h o k. Boyrloymhs den ekfrazei thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den tis exw diabasei me leptomereia, opote den qa sxoliasw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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