Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-12-02

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Aqhna, 2 Dekembrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Lypoymai gia thn kaqysterhmenh proseleysh moy sto xwro toy briefing. Qa sas moirasoyme, typwnetai hdh, alla exoyme orismena antigrafa, thn apanthsh ths kybernhshs, toy k. Roysopoyloy sthn epistolh paraithshs poy apesteile o mexri twra Proedros toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy ths DEH k. Giannhs Palaiokrassas, kaqws kai thn epistolh.

SIDERHS: Qa mas moirasete thn epistolh apanthshs kai oxi thn idia thn epistolh;

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, exei dhmioyrghqei meizon qema. Exei dhmioyrghqei terastio qema.

ANTWNAROS: Dieykrinisa oti h epistolh qa sas moirastei.

BLAXOS: Thn apanthsh Roysopoyloy qelw na diabasete.

ANTWNAROS: Thn apanthsh toy k. Roysopoyloy eyxaristws na sas th diabasw: ``O agwnas gia thn epibolh ths diafaneias sto dhmosio bio einai diarkhs. Gia na exei apotelesma xreiazontai apo th mia qesmikes parembaseis poy hdh ginontai kai apo thn allh tekmhriwmenh panta stoixeioqethsh, h opoia prepei na odhgei sth Dikaiosynh kai na krinetai apo ayth. Ayth einai h staqerh epilogh ths kybernhshs kai h entolh poy edwsan se oloys mas oi Ellhnes polites. Ypenqymizetai, telos, oti sth Dikaiosynh hdh briskontai ypoqeseis poy aforoyn qemata ths DEH''.

Mia syntomh anakoinwsh sxetika me to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Sto plaisio twn episkecewn poy pragmatopoiei sta Ypoyrgeia o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, qa metabei ayrio Sabbato, 3 Dekembrioy, sth Mytilhnh, opoy -opws gnwrizete- brisketai h edra toy Ypoyrgeioy Aigaioy kai Nhsiwtikhs Politikhs.

SPYRAKH: Kat` arxas, hqela na diamartyrhqw. Yparxei ena terastio qema poy afora sth deontologia. Exei dianemhqei h anakoinwsh kata proteraiothta se synadelfoys poy briskontan ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy, otan oloi oi diapisteymenoi ston Prwqypoyrgo synadelfoi, briskomaste edw gia to briefing. Mas erxetai me mish wra kaqysterhsh emas edw, enw sta e-mail mas, mexri thn wra poy milhsame, den eixe paei. Qa elegxqei apo thn politikh hgesia toy armodioy ypoyrgeioy ayth h kaqysterhsh; Gia poio logo egine; Einai epilektikh enhmerwsh; Qelw na moy peite ean einai epilektikh enhmerwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Kyria Spyrakh, sas parakalw poly, emfanizeste shmera idiaitera eristikh.

SIDERHS: Ma, poio einai to epishmo bhma ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. H epistolh estalh se oloys ws e-mail.

SPYRAKH: Den estalh pote.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw, estalh.

BLAXOS: Katarghsame to briefing kai to antikatasthsame me to e-mail;

ANTWNAROS: Pisteyw oti qa me afhsete na teleiwsw.

BLAXOS: Oxi, an to katarghsame, na to jeroyme. Gia na dikaiologhsoyme, gi` ayto to phrate kai apo to kentro gia na exoyme dyskoloterh prosbash kai emeis kai oi jenoi antapokrites. Ean to katarghsame kai einai e-mail, nai. Kai deyteron, k. Ekproswpe, me sygxwreite, aisqanetai thn anagkh o k. Roysopoylos na apanthsei ston k. Palaiokrassa kai stelnei esas edw, poy den eiste politiko proswpo; Eiste anaplhrwths toy. Den eiste politiko proswpo.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai apolytws politiko proswpo.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Den eiste politiko proswpo.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos ektimhsh.

BLAXOS: O k. Roysopoylos einai politiko proswpo. O k. Roysopoylos ekfrazei ajiopista thn eikona ths kybernhshs se ena toso megalo qema.

ANTWNAROS: Thn exw ekfrasei para polles fores ajiopista.

BLAXOS: Bebaiws, se wres anagkhs, otan o k. Roysopoylos einai sto ejwteriko.

ANTWNAROS: Apokroyw ayth thn proswpikh prosbolh, thn opoia ektojeyete pros to meros moy. Parola tayta, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti einai qema ths kybernhshs, poios qa kanei kaqe hmera to briefing. Den einai kati poy afora esas proswpika. To qema einai lhjan. Den exw na pw tipote allo.

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh, opws eidate, apofasise na apanthsei ston k. Palaiokrassa graptws, o k. Roysopoylos. Ara, h kybernhsh ayth th stigmh anagnwrizei oti aytos poy mporei na thn ekproswphsei apenanti ston k. Palaiokrassa einai o k. Roysopoylos. H idia h kybernhsh to anagnwrizei, dinontas grapth dhlwsh Roysopoyloy. Den sas eipe, phgainete sto briefing na peite ayto to pragma;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eyxaristw para poly gia toys lektikoys ``akrobatismoys'' toys opoioys kanete. As proxwrhsoyme sthn oysia.

SIDERHS: Eiste politiko proswpo, eiste anaplhrwths, qesmoqethmenh h qesh sas. Mono poy den sebasthkate to briefing. Einai to epishmo bhma ths kybernhshs to briefing; Giati th moirasate sto pezodromio;

ANTWNAROS: Th moirasame, opws sas eipa, prwta gia logoys taxythtas, mesw e-mail.

SIDERHS: Stoys synadelfoys ejw apo to Majimoy th moirasate.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, as proxwrhsoyme sth diadikasia.

LEONTITSH: Toylaxiston sto diko moy e-mail den exei paei.

ANTWNAROS: Enas logos parapanw poy sas moirazw jana ta keimena. Den qelete na sas ta moirasw;

SPYRAKH: Me kaqysterhsh mish wra k. Anaplhrwth;

ANTWNAROS: Na ejhghsw kai orismena praktika qemata, giati profanws yparxei kapoia dyskolia na antilhfqoyme apla pragmata H fwtotyphsh pente selidwn se megalo ariqmo antitypwn apaitei orismeno xrono sto fwtotypiko mhxanhma.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh exw mia dyskolia na antilhfqw orismena pragmata sth zwh, giati to moirasate sto pezodromio kai oxi sto epishmo bhma ths enhmerwshs twn politikwn syntaktwn;

ANTWNAROS: Erwthseis parakalw.

PAPAGIANNHS: O k. Palaiokrassas, sth dhlwsh toy, kanei logo gia sthmenes doyleies. Kanei logo gia mia qliberh katalhjh mias prospaqeias poy jekinhse prin apo merika xronia. Kanei logo gia brwmiko polemo apo ta MME ths diaplokhs pros thn kybernhsh. Kai ola ayta, erxontai se mia stigmh poy mesa se 18-19 mhnes diakybernhshs apo to komma poy eseis ekproswpeite, apo thn kybernhsh, 18 proedroi kai dioikhtes exoyn hdh paraithqei. Mporeite na moy peite, poios exei thn politikh eyqynh gi` ayth thn paraithsh, dedomenoy oti o k. Palaiokrassas, meta apo proswpikh piesh toy Kwsta Karamanlh, paraithqhke apo th qesh toy boyleyth gia na analabei th qesh toy Proedroy ths DEH.

ANTWNAROS: Thn istoria th gnwrizete.

PAPAGIANNHS: Th dikh sas apanthsh qelw omws.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas pw to ejhs: O k. Palaiokrassas ekane sygkekrimenes dhlwseis, tis opoies den mporese na tekmhriwsei. Eklhqh na tis tekmhriwsei xqes apo ton synarmodio ypoyrgo k. Sioyfa, den to epraje kai ypebale thn paraithsh toy, opws toy zhthqhke. Den yparxei tipote allo panw se ayto. Otan yparxoyn kathgories h kataggelies, aytes prepei na einai tekmhriwmenes.

PAPAGIANNHS: Giati den dhmosiopoiei h kybernhsh thn parapomph ths Elladas sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio gia thn apeyqeias anaqesh ths monadas ths DEH sto Layrio, mia parapomph poy symfwna me plhrofories exei hdh fqasei sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti ta keimena twn parapompwn sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio einai se oloys prosbasima.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti ston k. Palaiokrassa toy zhthqhke na dwsei ejhghseis kai den tis edwse. O k. Palaiokrassas tis edwse tis ejhghseis kai to leei kai sthn epistolh toy oti kateqese epta fakeloys me stoixeia ypoqesewn ths DEH sth Dikaiosynh, prokeimenoy na diereynhqei ti exei syntelestei kai poies einai oi ajiopoines prajeis. Ti allo na kanei dhladh; Sth Dikaiosynh toy eipate na paei, sth Dikaiosynh phge. Giati ton diwjate;

ANTWNAROS: Ekane nees dhlwseis meta apo ayto. Aytes, oi palies dhladh ypoqeseis, opws gnwrizete, hdh ereynwntai.

PAPAGIANNHS: Den mas diafwtizete pantws.

BLAXOS: O k. Palaiokrassas sth dhlwsh toy leei oti einai asteio na moy lene mesa se treis wres na sygkentrwsw ta stoixeia gia na paw ston eisaggelea. Qa hqela ena sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Opoios kanei dhmosioys isxyrismoys, prepei na einai se qesh na toys tekmhriwnei. Na toys exei tekmhriwmenoys prin kan toys kanei.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei skech apo thn kybernhsh na ajiopoihqei o k. Palaiokrassas se allo posto;

ANTWNAROS: Allh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Ayto qa to balete ws ``allh erwthsh'' h qa to allajete, opws egine xqes;

ANTWNAROS: Allh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Giati xqes, poy eipe o k. Roysopoylos ``allh erwthsh'', sto keimeno to gracate ``exw apanthsei''. Kai egw, toylaxiston eimai tosa xronia dhmosiografos, den exw na alloiwnetai h erwthsh kai h apanthsh dhmosiografoy h kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy. To eidame xqes kai den einai h prwth fora.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na deite thn apomagnhtofwnhsh.

BLAXOS: Thn apomagnhtofwnhsh thn paijame.

ANTWNAROS: Ennow thn apomagnhtofwnhsh ths dikhs moy enhmerwshs shmera.

BLAXOS: Ara, pairnete apostaseis apo ayto poy ekane o k. Roysopoylos.

ANTWNAROS: Den pairnw kamia apostash. Milw gia to diko moy briefing. Katalabainw oti h Paraskeyh einai h teleytaia hmera ths ebdomadas kai yparxei kapoia eyxaristh diaqesh sthn aiqoysa.

SIDERHS: Kai se sas yphrje xalarothta, etsi opws dianemhqhke h epistolh paraithshs.

TSIODRAS: O k. Palaiokrassas mila gia brwmiko polemo twn MME. Mila gia kaqarsh poy den egine. Leei ston Prwqypoyrgo, se prwto proswpo, oti prepei na diereynhseis kai na maqeis pote arxise, me poioys egine kai me ti mesa kai mexri poy exei fqasei. Kanei sygkekrimenes@

ANTWNAROS: Den einai sygkekrimenes.

TSIODRAS: Kanei kataggelies. Einai fantasioplhktos o k. Palaiokrassas. Exei ereynhsei h kybernhsh ean ayta poy leei o Proedros ths DEH exoyn bash, me dedomeno oti ton diorise o Prwqypoyrgos. Den ton diorise oyte kapoios ypoyrgos poy na pei kapoios oti den eixe thn egkrish toy k. Karamanlh, oyte leei kati o k. Palaiokrassas mia hmera tyxaia se mia dhlwsh. Exei kati to opoio isxyrizetai edw kai kairo. @H loipon einai fantasioplhjies ola ayta h yphretei kapoia symferonta h piqanon kapoia apo ayta na exoyn bash.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw to cyxografhma kanenos. Ekeino poy exw na sas pw einai ayto poy epanalambanoyme synexeia: Yparxei pagia entolh, monimh, jekaqarh, adiamfisbhthth, toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti, opoios exei stoixeia den exei para na ta kataqesei ston eisaggelea. Genikes kai aoristes kathgories mporei na ekferei opoiosdhpote. Oxi, omws, xwris tis synepeies.

BLAXOS: Otan lete oti den qa kanete cyxografhma kanenos, afhnete kapoion ypainigmo;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Rwthqhka giati to ekane kai eipa oti den kanw to cyxografhma kanenos.

BLAXOS: An yparxei kati poy na@

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den kanw kanenan ypainigmo.

BLAXOS: Otan leei ``egw eimai asymbibastos'', yparxei kapoios symbibasmenos;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw sthn kybernhsh kanenan poy na exei symbibastei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, leei o k. Palaiokrassas ``egw feygw me to kefali chla giati den symbibasthka me to agos ayto ths diaplokhs''. Den sas enoxlei poy leei oti sthn kybernhsh yparxoyn diaplekomenoi;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqenas mporei na isxyrizetai o,ti qelei, fqanei na einai se qesh na to apodeiknyei. Otan den to apodeiknyei, gnwrizete pws ton apokaloyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To apedeije phgainontas fakeloys ths DEH me ajiopoines prajeis sth Dikaiosynh kai ayto to plhrwse. Dhladh, den eprepe na paei;

ANTWNAROS: Qa eprepe na eixe thn ypomonh na perimenei tote na dei pws qa ejelixqei h synexizomenh dikastikh diereynhsh twn qematwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy synexisan oi diaplekomenoi na einai mesa sth DEH, mporoyse na doylecei san proedros;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota.

TSIODRAS: Eipate prin ``jerete pws ton apokaloyn''. Epeidh den jerw pws ton apokaloyn@

SPYRAKH: Pws ton apokaloyn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Eipa oti opoios isxyrizetai kati xwris stoixeia, einai gnwsto pws apokaleitai.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Pws ton apokaloyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, einai sykofanths;

ANTWNAROS: Ejartatai ti ellhnika gnwrizei o kaqenas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai sykofanths;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Yparxoyn polles lejeis poy qa mporoysame na xrhsimopoihsoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na synexisw ayth th syzhthsh. Parakalw allh erwthsh.

TRIGKAS: Politikes eyqynes, peran twn poinikwn, yparxoyn; Giati ston eisaggelea pas me stoixeia poy stoixeioqetoyn poinikes eyqynes kai ayto einai gnwsto oti einai dyskolo sthn politikh kai oikonomikh zwh toy topoy. Ean den yparxoyn ayta ta stoixeia poy stoixeioqetoyn poinikes eyqynes, yparxoyn omws politikes, sto politiko skhniko panta. Anagnwrizei h kybernhsh politikes eyqynes se kapoioys gia thn ypoqesh Palaiokrassa.

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite. H syzhthsh ginotan gia sygkekrimena qemata kai eklhqh o sygkekrimenos dioikhths, efoson eixe stoixeia na ta proskomisei ekei poy eprepe. Ayto einai olo to qema. Tipote allo.

PAPAGIANNHS: Exete kapoia peraiterw plhroforhsh gia to ean o antikatastaths toy k. Palaiokrassa, opws fhmologeitai, qa einai o ejadelfos toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Dologloy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia plhroforia oson afora to diadoxo toy k. Palaiokrassa.

PAPAGIANNHS: Pote qa apofasistei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws orizetai apo to Katastatiko, anelabe kaqhkonta Proedroy toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy proswrina o antiproedros kai dieyqynwn symboylos k. Maniatakhs. Otan yparjei kati pros anakoinwsh, qa sas gnwstopoihqei. Opws gnwrizete, den mporei na katexei to idio proswpo kai tis dyo qeseis. Den einai dynato basei toy Katastatikoy.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Pisteyete oti mia akoma epibeblhmenh paraithsh kai ystera apo tetoies kataggelies, dhladh o k. Palaiokrassas ekane logo gia mafia, diwxnoyn tis skies poy yparxoyn ayth th stigmh sth dhmosia zwh;

ANTWNAROS: Skies poy;

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Otan ena tetoio stelexos bgainei kai kanei logo gia mafia, opws kai tosoi alloi. O Polyzos, o boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias eixe pei oti kapoioi ta pairnoyn kai yparxoyn kai alloi.

ANTWNAROS: Opoios exei sygkekrimena stoixeia, opoios kanei isxyrismoys exei ypoxrewsh na toys tekmhriwnei. Ean den toys tekmhriwnei, ola ayta menoyn sto keno.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Ayto arkei. Einai apanthsh dhladh; Ara aytoi einai fantasioplhktoi; Apo to myalo toys ta bgazoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw. Eseis xrhsimopoieite xarakthrismoys. Egw den xrhsimopoihsa kanena xarakthrismo, kanena epiqetiko prosdiorismo. Den eimai se qesh na jerw ti kanei o kaqenas. Sas eipa oti den qa mpw sth diadikasia na analysw giati o a` h o b` symperiferetai me ton ena h me ton allo tropo. Ayto einai dikh sas doyleia, twn dhmosiografwn.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: O k. Palaiokrassas eixe eklegei boyleyths. Paraithqhke apo boyleyths gia na paei se ayth th qesh kai kanei logo sthn anakoinwsh toy gia qliberh katalhjh ayths ths prosklhshs poy toy eixe apeyqynqei. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena apolytws sxolio. Ta leei ola sthn epistolh toy. Milaei gia ``qliberh katalhjh''.

BLAXOS: Pws sxoliazete ayto poy grafei oti ``to egklhma moy einai oti kateqese epta fakeloys me stoixeia ypoqesewn ths DEH sth Dikaiosynh'';

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

BLAXOS: Ma, leei oti kateqese epta fakeloys.

ANTWNAROS: Sas to eipa. Bebaiws toys kateqese.

BLAXOS: Prohgoymenws eipate na paei ston eisaggelea. Leei, loipon, oti ayto poy ekana egw, kata ton k. Palaiokrassa, einai egklhma kai gi` ayto timwroyme.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti yparxei kamia syndesh toy enos qematos me to allo.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na qesw kati gia thn politikh diadikasia toy qematos: Oi dhlwseis toy k. Palaiokrassa eginan sthn ``Kaqhmerinh''ths Kyriakhs. O k. Palaiokrassas apepemfqh to apogeyma. Mesolabhsan tessera 24wra. Qelw na rwthsw ean diapistwnei h kybernhsh kentrika, oti yphrje mia kaqysterhsh sth dialeykansh aytwn twn kataggeliwn toy Dioikhth h apo thn allh pleyra den to diapistwnei ayto, diapistwnei oti paraplanhqhke isws apo ton apelqonta Dioikhth, se sxesh me ton paronta h ton parelqonta xrono poy xrhsimopoihse.

ANTWNAROS: Oles aytes tis hmeres, apo th Deytera kai meta, exete enhmerwqei gia tis epafes poy eixan kybernhtika stelexh me ton k. Palaiokrassa, Synepws, yparxei mia xronikh ejelijh twn pragmatwn. Den yparxei tipote apo osa lete h ypainisseste.

PAPAGIANNHS: Proeklogika o k. Karamanlhs anaferqhke polles fores ston oro ``eqnikoi promhqeytes'', sth dhlwsh toy, sthn 3h selida, o k. Palaiokrassas anaferetai kai aytos se ``eqnikoys promhqeytes''. Epeidh qymomaste tis erwthseis poy eixan kataqesei oi boyleytes ths N.D., prin thn eklogh sas nikh ths 7hs Martioy 2004, mporeite na peite poioi einai aytoi oi eqnikoi promhqeytes poy zhmiwnoyn th DEH.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PAPAGIANNHS: Oxi, giati; Den jerete;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, o k. Peponhs.

PEPONHS: Pws xarakthrizete to yfos ths epistolhs, poy ean den kanw laqos thn esteile ston Prwqypoyrgo kai einai ston eniko, ``soy stelnw thn paraithsh moy gia th dikh soy prostasia k.l.p.''. Giati ston Prwqypoyrgo kai oxi ston proistameno toy ypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite kai gia to yfos kai gia toys apodektes ths epistolhs, ston syggrafea ths epistolhs. Den thn egraca egw.

PEPONHS: Ton diko sas xarakthrismo, san kybernhsh, san kybernhtiko ekproswpo.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanenan xarakthrismo. Edw, sthn aiqoysa, den kanw xarakthrismoys.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei ena qema, giati xrhsimopoiei eniko;

ANTWNAROS: Apeyqynqeite ston idio.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas qymizw oti palaiotera, to oti ``opoios exei stoixeia phgainei ston eisaggelea'', to elege o k. Shmiths kai o k. Karamanlhs otan ton apokaloyse ``arxierea'' ths diaplokhs. Kai ean qelete lete kati panw se ayto. Kai deyteron, o k. Palaiokrassas einai stelexos ths paratajhs sas, edw kai poly kairo, ton anakalese apo thn apostrateia o k. Karamanlhs, to lew etsi sxhmatika, egine boyleyths kai paraithqhke gia na ginei Proedros ths DEH kai twra apoxwrei kanontas kataggelies gia diaplokh afhnontas na ennohqei oti h kybernhsh tis sygkalyptei . Den dhmioyrgei politiko qema ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den thn aggizoyn ayta ta pragmata thn kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Politiko qema, lew.

ANTWNAROS: Kanena politiko qema. Thn kybernhsh den thn aggizoyn ayta ta pragmata. Eipame oti h maxh kata ths diaplokhs einai synexhs. Opoios exei stoixeia gia ypoqeseis diaplokhs na ta kataqesei ston eisaggelea. Kai epeidh kanate mia sygkrish atyxh -qa elega- parallhlismo@

GKOYTZANHS: Ean hqela na kanw sygkrish, qa thn ekana.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh kanate enan parallhlismo@

GKOYTZANHS: Oyte parallhlismo. Anefera mono ta gegonota. Den qelw xarakthrismoys, na moy epitrecete@

ANTWNAROS: Me ayth thn kybernhsh, osoi eixan stoixeia phgan ston eisaggelea.

GKOYTZANHS: Mporeite na moy peite, ti einai ayto poy eipa kai den isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Blaxo h seira sas.

BLAXOS: Me to gegonos oti o k. Prwqypoyrgos apofasise na zhthsei thn paraithsh toy k. Palaiokrassa, epeidh den phge ston eisaggelea me stoixeia, yparxei ektimhsh giati ola ayta ta ekane o k. Palaiokrassas;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Ti oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kamia ektimhsh.

BLAXOS: Den yparxei; Den mas ti lete h den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exoyme na kanoyme, ws kybernhsh, kamia ektimhsh. O k. Palaiokrassas eipe sygkekrimena pragmata gia ta opoia eklhqh na dwsei ejhghseis.

BLAXOS: Giati ta eipe loipon; Jypnhse to prwi kai eipe den exw ti na kanw, as..

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti den exw thn proqesh na kanw cyxografhma kanenos. Ekeino poy endiaferei einai ta pragmatika peristatika: O k. Palaiokrassas ekane mia sygkekrimenh dhlwsh. Eklhqh na dwsei ejhghseis, epi ths dhlwsews toy. Meta apo ayto eklhqh, efoson isxyristhke orismena pragmata, na tekmhriwsei osa eixe pei kai na paei sto eisaggelea. Den to ekane kai toy zhthqhke h paraithsh toy.

BLAXOS: Ton qewreite entimo ton k. Palaiokrassa;

ANTWNAROS: Ginomai monotonos: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio kai kanenan epiqetiko prosdiorismo.

BLAXOS: Einai poly shmantiko na mas peite ean, estw kai meta apo ayth thn ejelijh, h kybernhsh, o k. Karamanlhs, poy gnwrizei tosa xronia ton k. Palaiokrassa, poy toy zhthse na einai boyleyths, poy toy zhthse na ginei Proedros ths DEH, an shmera h kybernhsh qewrei oti o k. Palaiokrassas einai entimos.

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw epiqetikoys prosdiorismoys se ayth thn aiqoysa.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti me ayth thn kybernhsh osoi eixan stoixeia phgan ston eisaggelea. Ayto htan olh kai olh h diaplokh poy diatympanizate, epi oktw xronia; Den eidame polles ypoqeseis na exoyn paei ston eisaggelea.

ANTWNAROS: Foboymai oti exete asqenh mnhmh. Opoios isxyrizetai oti exei stoixeia ta phgainei pragmati ston eisaggelea.

SIDERHS: Kai rwtw: Ayto htan h diaplokh olo ki olo;

ANTWNAROS: H diaplokh afora para polla pragmata. Ta exoyme syzhthsei, ta exoyme analysei se ayth thn aiqoysa. Gnwrizete poly kala peri tinos prokeitai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Palaiokrassas na poyme oti ekane laqos poy phge toys fakeloys sth dikaiosynh@

ANTWNAROS: Me sygxwreite, k. Stamatopoyle. Aytos einai dikos sas isxyrismos. Den isxyristhka kati tetoio egw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Htan to ``egklhma'' toy, to leei kai o idios.

ANTWNAROS: Antilambanomai orqa; Prosypografete ton isxyrismo toy k. Palaiokrassa;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai dikos moy, to leei kai o idios sthn epistolh toy. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh poy parepemce th DEH sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio gia periptwseis diafaneias exei kanei kai ayth laqos;

ANTWNAROS: Sygxeete dyo pragmata. Den zhthqhke h paraithsh toy k. Palaiokrassa epeidh phge ypoqeseis ston eisaggelea. Zhthqhke h paraithsh toy k. Palaiokrassa dioti isxyristhke pragmata, ta opoia den mporoyse na tekmhriwsei. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

PAPAGIANNHS: Gia poia pragmata, milate;

BLAXOS: Se treis wres na ta tekmhriwsei;

ANTWNAROS: Sto idio akribws erwthma sas apanthsa prin apo deka lepta. Eipa oti: Otan kapoios isxyrizetai kati, to opoio perilambanei baries kathgories, prepei na einai se qesh ekeinh th stigmh, oxi se treis wres, na to tekmhriwsei. To oti den mporei na to tekmhriwsei, shmainei profanws oti den exei ta apodeiktika stoixeia h toylaxiston tis apoxrwses endeijeis.

PAPAGIANNHS: Tote ti nohma eixe to telesigrafo toy k. Sioyfa mexri tis eji h wra, afoy o Prwqypoyrgos thlefwnhse stis pente para deka; Ayto mporeite na moy to ejhghsete, giati den to exw antilhfqei.

ANTWNAROS: Qa to epanalabw gia mia akomh fora: O k. Sioyfas, poy einai o armodios ypoyrgos, eixe mia makra synomilia me ton Proedro ths DEH kai bgainontas eipe oti mexri tis eji h wra to apogeyma, qa eprepe na eixe proskomisei ston eisaggelea ta stoixeia gia ta qemata, poy eixe qijei, diaforetika na ypobalei thn paraithsh toy. En tw metajy, o k. Palaiokrassas, monos toy, anazhthse ton Prwqypoyrgo, egine h thlefwnikh epikoinwnia kai synepws to qema lyqhke nwritera, giati o k. Palaiokrassas den htan se qesh na proskomisei ayta ta stoixeia. Ayta ta exoyme pei apo xqes.

BLAXOS: Gnwrizete oti h eisaggelea kleinei stis 14:30 kai anoigei stis 18:00-18:15, dhladh apo tis 14:30 mexri tis 18:00 o k. Papaggelopoylos htan spiti toy;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti panta yparxei eisaggeleas yphresias.

BLAXOS: O eisaggeleas yphresias phgainei 18:00 me 18:15. To jerw poly kala giati epikoinwnoyse o k. Papaggelopoylos me dhmosiografoys giati den mporoyse na brei kapoion kybernhtiko paragonta gia na dei ti qa kanei. Kai kaneis den toy eipe na paei.

ANTWNAROS: Wraia.

BLAXOS: Ara kai na hqele na paei den qa ebriske kanenan.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den eixe thn proqesh na paei. Parakalw epomenh erwthsh.

TSIODRAS: O k. Palaiokrassas sthn epikoinwnia poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo zhthse na ton synanthsei. Giati o Prwqypoyrgos eipe, oxi, se ayth th synanthsh. Kai h synomilia, ap` o,ti mas eipan, dihrkese ligotero apo ena lepto. Synhqws otan zhtas apo kapoion paraithsh, nomizw oti exei to dikaiwma, oxi na apologhqei, alla na ekqesei tis apoceis toy, na ejhghsei.

ANTWNAROS: Thn paraithsh th zhthse o armodios ypoyrgos k. Sioyfas.

TSIODRAS: Oxi o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Thn paraithsh th zhthse o armodios ypoyrgos, o k. Sioyfas, o opoios eixe makra synanthsh me ton k. Palaiokrassa.

TSIODRAS: O k. Karamanlhs giati den qelhse na synanthqei me ton Proedro ths DEH kai na akoysei tis ejhghseis;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti, sas eipa, h syzhthsh htan para poly aplh. Eixe apodeijeis; Den eixe apodeijeis; Mporoyse na tekmhriwsei tis kataggelies toy; Na paei ston eisaggelea; Oxi. Synepws, den yphrxe logos peraiterw syzhthshs. Den exoyme na poyme tipota allo.

TSIODRAS: Fantazomai oti einai politikos o logos poy den qelhse na milhsei me ton@..

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti: Synarmodioi einai dyo ypoyrgoi o k. Sioyfas kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ara, symfwna me ayta poy akoysthkan, o k. Sioyfas pragmati zhthse thn paraithsh toy k. Palaiokrassas, sto meshmbrino ranteboy poy eixan oi dyo toys@

ANTWNAROS: Ma, afoy bghke kai to eipe dhmosia.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kai o k. Palaiokrassas den thn edwse. Kai toy eipe, mesa sth synanthsh@

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw tis dhmosies dhlwseis toy k. Sioyfa.

PAPAGIANNHS: Na oloklhrwsw thn erwthsh: Kai toy eipe mesa sth synanthsh, symfwna me plhrofories, oti egw paradidw thn paraithsh moy mono ston Prwqypoyrgo.

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw tis dhmosies dhlwseis toy k. Sioyfa.

BLAXOS: Pws ginetai stoys 18 mhnes diakybernhshs na exoyn fygei peripoy 30 stelexh; Kati strabo yparxei.

ANTWNAROS: Strabo;

BLAXOS: To strabo, poy yparxei, sthn epilogh aytwn twn proswpwn h sthn synexeia kati exei strabwsei;

ANTWNAROS: Jerete posa stelexh exoyn dioristei;

BLAXOS: Posa;

ANTWNAROS: Sas kalw, loipon, na cajete na breite.

MOYRTHS: To ergo toy k. Palaiokrassa sth DEH einai ayto poy prosdokoyse o Prwqypoyrgos otan ton epelege gia th qesh ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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