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Aqhna, 26 Oktwbrioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrhse, prin apo ligh wra, apo th Qessalonikh gia to Londino, opoy qa symmetexei sthn Atyph Synodo Koryfhs sthn opoia qa ginei mia syzhthsh sxetika me qemata poy aforoyn sthn pagkosmiopoihsh kai stis eyrwpaikes arxes mesa sto neo pagkosmiopoihmeno periballon.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes eixame mia endokybernhtikh, qa th xarakthriza, etsi toylaxiston to anaferoyn oi efhmerides, diafwnia. Afora to gegonos oti prin apo ligo kairo treis Ypoyrgoi, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, o k. Soyflias, h k. Petralia, eixan dwsei adeia gia na leitoyrghsei o sygkekrimenos xwros, gnwrizete o xwros dipla apo to Olympiako Stadio ths Aqhnas, ws ekqesiako kentro. Xqes, o k. Orfanos den enekrine thn apofash paraxwrhshs 40 stremmatwn dipla sto Olympiako Stadio. Mporeite na moy peite ti telikws isxyei; Ayto poy anakoinwse xqes o k. Orfanos h h prosfath apofash twn triwn Ypoyrgwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia paranohsh oxi mono sthn erwthsh sas, alla genikotera sto qema. Prwton, h koinh ypoyrgikh apofash, h opoia ypegrafh apo toys treis Ypoyrgoys poy anaferqhkan -kai anaferontai kai sta dhmosieymata shmera- einai apofash poy exei poleodomiko xarakthra. Dhladh, einai ekdosh oysiastika poleodomikhs adeias se efarmogh toy nomoy gia thn olympiakh ajiopoihsh twn egkatastasewn kai prokeimenoy na mhn yparxoyn ayqairetes kataskeyes. Ayto einai to ena. Dhladh, oi treis Ypoyrgoi apofasisan oti mporei na ktistoyn, na sthqoyn me kapoioys sygkekrimenoys poleodomikoys oroys, tentes h alles kataskeyes entos twn poleodomikwn aytwn orwn, sth sygkekrimenh perioxh. To deytero kai teleiws diaforetiko, einai to qema poy afora mia sygkekrimenh symbash. To dioikhtiko symboylio toy OAKA eixe labei mia apofash gia mia sygkekrimenh symbash. H symbash ayth poy einai, loipon, allo qema, eprepe na tyxei ths egkrisews, afoy ginei kanonika o nomimos elegxos, apo ton armodio Yfypoyrgo, o opoios den thn enekrine. Einai dhladh dyo teleiws diaforetika qemata.

PAPAGIANNHS: Me sygxwreite, qelw na epimeinw sto qema. O Proedros toy Olympiakoy Stadioy gia poio logo paraithqhke;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto den to gnwrizw, mporeite na rwthsete ton idio. Sas lew pantws, gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai parermhneies: Einai allh h apofash opoy treis Ypoyrgoi lene, prokeimenoy na ajiopoihqei o sygkekrimenos xwros ekdidoyme mia poleodomikh adeia me aytoys toys oroys kai den ypeiserxontai kaqoloy -oi Ypoyrgoi- sto qema ths symbashs kai allh h apofash toy dioikhtikoy symboylioy toy OAKA gia mia sygkekrimenh symbash, h opoia -epanalambanw- ofeilei na perasei tis diadikasies kai na tyxei ths egkrisews toy armodioy Yfypoyrgoy, o opoios kai den thn enekrine.

TSIODRAS: Exei th symbash, ap` oso lene oi plhrofories, o k. Orfanos apo tis 5 Maioy. Giati eprepe na perasoyn 5-6 mhnes, mexri na pei oti den egkrinei th sygkekrimenh symbash, th stigmh poy thn exei sto grafeio toy 5 mhnes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw poies einai oi diadikasies gia thn epalhqeysh olwn aytwn poy sas eipa prohgoymenws, dhladh gia th meleth kai ton elegxo nomimothtas poy askeitai apo ton armodio Yfypoyrgo. Pantws h apanthsh synolika gia to qema einai ayth poy sas edwsa sthn arxh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den mas eipate omws toys logoys gia toys opoioys den epikyrwse th symbash o k. Orfanos. Kai to deytero synafes erwthma einai oti thn idia stigmh h antipoliteysh kanei logo gia apeyqeias anaqesh. Mhpws oi logoi arshs ths symbashs exoyn na kanoyn me ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To dioikhtiko symboylio toy OAKA, to opoio leitoyrghse me ton tropo poy leitoyrghse, elabe mia apofash. Ayth h apofash gia na proxwrhsei xreiazetai elegxo nomimothtas apo ton armodio Yfypoyrgo. Xreiazetai telikh egkrish apo ton armodio Yfypoyrgo, h opoia den edoqh.

SARANTAKOS: Prwto dieykrinistiko erwthma: Yphrxe qema nomimothtas gia th sygkekrimenh symbash, gi` ayto den enekriqh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O elegxos nomimothtas einai oros o opoios xrhsimopoieitai gia to dhmosio symferon. Gia to dhmosio symferon ginetai elegxos nomimothtas, pernaei dhladh mia seira apo diadikasies, apo tis yphresies kai ftanei entelei ston armodio Yfypoyrgo.

SARANTAKOS: Kai profanws gia na mhn enekriqh, yphrxe ena zhthma..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den einai etsi, h kalytera den einai sigoyra etsi. O elegxos nomimothtas einai mia diadikasia sygkekrimenh. Apo kei kai pera, o k. Orfanos einai piqano na ekrine, gia logoys eyryteroy dhmosioy symferontos, oti den prepei na ypogracei ayth th symbash.

SARANTAKOS: Kai to deytero erwthma: O k. Katsiadakhs, o Proedros toy OAKA, paraithqhke monos toy h toy zhthqhke kapoia paraithsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den toy zhthqhke kamia paraithsh. Epitrecte moy, paroti den qelw na ypeiserxomai se para polles leptomereies se qemata poy den einai ths amesoy armodiothtas toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy, sto dioikhtiko symboylio toy OAKA yparxoyn kai melh ex officio, dhladh anqrwpoi oi opoioi, paradeigmatos xarh, ergazontai sto Dhmo Amaroysioy, anqrwpoi poy exoyn alles qeseis dhladh kai apo tis qeseis poy katexoyn, metexoyn oytws h allws sto dioikhtiko symboylio toy OAKA. Den einai ola ta melh diorismena apo thn kybernhsh.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na rwthsw, an exoyn pragmati ta melh twn dioikhtikwn symboyliwn toy OAKA kai twn allwn, opws to Panpeloponnhsiako, to Qessaliko, na dinoyn anaqesh, tetoioy eidoys prwtoboylies, se ependyseis h se etaireies na mporoyn na ependyoyn gyrw apo ta Olympiaka erga.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Leitoyrghsan entos toy plaisioy ths nomimothtas. To dioikhtiko symboylio lambanei kapoia apofash. Aytos einai o rolos toy. H apofash entelei prepei na egkriqei -janalew- apo ton Yfypoyrgo. O Yfypoyrgos den thn enekrine.

TSIODRAS: Kalws enhrghse o k. Orfanos kata thn krish ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Orfanos einai melos ths kybernhshs. Ti paei na pei kalws enhrghse kata thn krish ths kybernhshs; Den einai ektos kybernhshs o k. Orfanos.

TSIODRAS: Oxi, alla sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, h kybernhsh pisteyei oti enhrghse swsta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas janalew oti o k. Orfanos einai melos ths kybernhshs. Den einai kapoios tritos. Ws melos ths kybernhshs enhrghse, opws ekrine oti eprepe na energhsei.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ean to mono poy emeine gia na proxwrhsei ayth h symbash htan o elegxos nomimothtas kai s@ ayton ton elegxo ypoqesate kai eseis oti mporei gia kapoio logo na mhn yphrxe kati swsto, tote einai h den einai aytos o logos poy den thn ypegrace o k. Orfanos; An to mono poy emene htan h nomimothta ths symbashs..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isws den sas to ejhghsa kala, isws den to katalabate kala. Prospaqhsa na sas ejhghsw oti yparxei mia diadikasia elegxoy. Ayth h diadikasia ferei ws geniko titlo se olo to dhmosio ``elegxos nomimothtas''. Aytos loipon o elegxos askeitai pantote apo ton armodio yfypoyrgo h ypoyrgo, gia opoiadhpote dhmosia yphresia kai an milame. Sthn periptwsh ayths ths symbashs loipon, opws anaferei kai o k. Orfanos sthn epistolh poy esteile ston Proedro toy OAKA, den askhqhke o ws anw elegxos nomimothtas epi ths sxetikhs apofashs toy D.S. kai synepws den htan epitrepth h synach ths symbashs. Den eixe loipon askhqei o elegxos nomimothtas. H dioikhsh toy OAKA eixe proxwrhsei sth synach ths symbashs kai ws ek toytoy o k. Orfanos eipe oti den egkrinei ayth thn ypoqesh.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dikaiologeite thn paraithsh toy Proedroy toy D.S. toy OAKA, dedomenoy ap@ ayta poy mas eipate, fainetai oti o sygkekrimenos kyrios den ejelabe akribws th diadikasia opws th lete, alla qewroyse oti eixe ypogracei kai eprepe na proxwrhsei. Alliws den eixe kanena logo na paraithqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw thn energeia kanenos. Prospaqhsa shmera ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na sas dwsw kapoia stoixeia giati katanohsa oti yparxei mia sygxysh na katalabete th diafora. Kai h diafora ayth egkeitai sta osa eipa sthn arxh. Allo dhladh h apofash twn triwn ypoyrgwn gia thn orioqethsh, ton kaqorismo twn poleodomikwn orwn kai thn ekdosh poleodomikhs adeias kai allo h apofash toy D.S. toy OAKA gia th synach mias sygkekrimenhs symbashs. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Den shmainei oti o xwros aytos den qa ajiopoihqei opws orizei h koinh ypoyrgikh apofash. Milame gia mia sygkekrimenh symbash, poy eprepe na akoloyqhsei kapoies diadikasies. Oi diadikasies den akoloyqhqhkan. Ypegrafh symbash apo to D.S. toy OAKA. Erxetai o yfypoyrgos kai leei: Afoy den akoloyqhqhkan oi diadikasies, egw den mporw na egkrinw ayth th symbash.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw hqela na dieykrinisw an telika, eystaqoyn oi kataggelies ths Antipoliteyshs oti edw sthn periptwsh ayth yphrxe apeyqeias anaqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Den exw na sas pw tipote peraiterw gi@ aythn thn ypoqesh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mia erwthsh ws pros th strathgikh ths kybernhshs. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs kai na moy apanthsete me eilikrineia. An den yphrxe h ``KAQHMERINH'' kai alles efhmerides poy anedeijan ayto to qema, oxi ypo th morfh skandaloy, alla ypo th morfh reportaz, h kybernhsh qa eixe allajei qesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw oti yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies akoloyqoyntai. Se erwthsh me ``ean'' den prokeitai na parete apanthsh apo emena. To exw dhlwsei epaneilhmmena kai sto parelqon. Diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai kai en prokeimenw den akoloyqhqhkan, ws ofeile na ginei, hrqan me thn apofash toy yfypoyrgoy na mhn epikyrwqoyn. Ayto, tipote allo.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Giati den akoloyqhqhkan aytes oi sygkekrimenes diadikasies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas to ejhghsa.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milame gia to D.S. toy OAKA, to opoio den perimene thn egkrish toy yfypoyrgoy kai proxwrhse sth synach ths symbashs. Ayto loipon gia thn Politeia, gia thn kybernhsh den einai orqo. H kybernhsh ofeile na diorqwsei mia paratypia. Kai th diorqwse.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Nai, alla ayto exei prokycei apo tis 5 Maioy. Den einai twrino. Yparxoyn tosoi mhnes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Erwthqhka kai prohgoymenws kai sas eipa oti yparxoyn diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai. Den mporw na gnwrizw an aytes oi diadikasies kratoyn dyo-treis h pente mhnes, oyte poies einai oi proteraiothtes gia kaqe diadikasia, gia kaqe qema. Mh fantazesqe oti yparxei ena qema se kaqe ypoyrgeio. Yparxoyn xiliades qemata.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Kanate mia prosqhkh omws, oti sto D.S. yparxoyn melh ex officio. Giati egine ayth h prosqhkh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia kalyterh enhmerwsh sas.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ti apantate sthn Antipoliteysh poy kai exqes kai shmera kathgorei me aformh th symbash ayth thn kybernhsh gia oligwria kai kaqysterhseis, se o,ti afora sthn ajiopoihsh twn Olympiakwn Akinhtwn kai thn kybernhtikh politikh se o,ti afora sto qema ayto, apotelesma toy opoioy, opws leei h antipoliteysh, einai tetoioy eidoys symbaseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symbainei to entelws antiqeto. Exei syzhthqei polles fores exei eipwqei kai sth Boylh apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys kai me dhmosies dhlwseis kai egw exw milhsei gi@ ayth thn ypoqesh ths ajiopoihshs twn Olympiakwn Akinhtwn gia to ti afhse pisw ths, h prohgoymenh kybernhsh kai to ti synebh sto metajy diasthma me to nomo poy enekriqh apo th Boylh, me toys dieqneis diagwnismoys oi opoioi exoyn hdh jekinhsei edw kai para poly kairo kai me thn kalyterh kata to dynaton ajiopoihsh. Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, ekeino to opoio ofeilei na epishmanei kapoios einai oti o armodios yfypoyrgos ekrine -kai orqws ekrine- oti den prepei na proxwrhsei mia symbash h opoia den eixe thn kai typikh diadikasia egkrishs. Ara loipon, qa ofeile na pei kaneis oti kalws epraje o armodios yfypoyrgos. Qa yphrxe cogos ean afhne na proxwrhsei ayth h diadikasia xwris ton elegxo nomimothtas, xwris th diadikasia egkrishs.

XADOYLHS: Perimenoyme shmera mia epibebaiwsh gia to an yphrxe kapoio tajidi toy k. Karamanlh sthn Iapwnia 9 Noembrioy. Mporeite na mas peite ti perilambanei ayto to tajidi; An isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati ayth th stigmh. Otan eimai etoimos qa sas pw.

XADOYLHS: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma stoys ``LOS ANGELES TIMES'' ths Deyteras, poy kanei logo gia mia ypoqesh poy ekkremei gia to moyseio Getty. Sas rwtaw, giati exoyme kanei epaneilhmmenes kroyseis sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy kai apanthsh den phrame. Yparxei mia ypoqesh poy ekkremei, symfwna me to dhmosieyma, gia tessera antikeimena poy exei to moyseio sthn katoxh toy, ta opoia zhtaei h Ellada, symfwna panta me to dhmosieyma. Ta zhthse prin apo 9 xronia, epanhlqe to Maio mesw diplwmatikhs..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa zhthsw apo to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy na sas dwsei mia apanthsh. Den mporw na gnwrizw ola ta qemata poy aforoyn kaqe ypoyrgeio.

POYLIDOY: Hqela na sas rwthsw, pws antidra h kybernhsh sto casus belli poy epanefere to Symboylio Eqnikhs Asfaleias ths Toyrkias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh kanei dhlwseis o ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Den qa sxoliasw anafores poy ginontai se toyrkika MME. Sthn epishmh anakoinwsh toy Symboylioy Eqnikhs Asfaleias ths Toyrkias den ginetai kamia anafora.

POYLIDOY: Sygnwmh, dikh sas plhroforhsh den exete; Mono apo ta MME enhmerwneste;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

POYLIDOY: Kai egw sas janarwthsa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai egw sas apanthsa.

SIDERHS: O Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh, metajy allwn, eipe: To noshro klima poy kapoioi kalliergoyn. Aytoi den exoyn onomata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa ermhneysw th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai safestath.

KORAH: Kai egw qa epimeinw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Metajy allwn, anaferqhke kai se symferonta afhnontas na ennohqei oti xtypane thn kybernhsh toy. Ti eidoys symferonta einai ayta kyrie Ekproswpe kai an mporeite na mas ta katonomasete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipote perissotero apo oti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, yparxei ena noshro klima, poy exei ws ypostrwma kataggelies gia yparkta h anyparkta skandala kai fainomena diafqoras. O arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs exei dhlwsei th diaqesimothta toy, prokeimenoy apo koinoy me thn kybernhsh na ergastoyn kai na broyn ena plaisio lyshs wste na kaqarisei kai ayto to noshro klima poy exei diamorfwqei. H kybernhsh einai proqymh na ajiopoihsei ayth th diaqesimothta toy k. Papandreoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antistoixo qema teqhke xqes kai ejedwsa grapth anakoinwsh, apantwntas sta osa eipe o k. Papandreoy. Symplhrwmatika sthn anakoinwsh moy, prepei na sas pw oti eilikrina xarhka poy akoysa ton k. Papandreoy na leei oti epejergazetai peraiterw ta perifhma oktw shmeia-protaseis gia thn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras kai ths diaplokhs ston topo. Einai oktw shmeia ta opoia anaferqhkan gia prwth fora prin apo peripoy 10 mhnes se synedriash ths Boylhs apo thn pleyra toy PASOK kai poy htan genikologa. Efoson to PASOK ergazetai panw s@ ayta ta shmeia, qa xarw na akoysw sygkekrimenes protaseis. Exoyme pei allwste oti sto plaisio toy qesmikoy dialogoy poy ginetai sto Koinoboylio, oi protaseis poy akoygontai kai oi opoies einai logikes, efiktes, na efarmostoyn, qa einai apodektes apo thn kybernhsh apo opoiodhpote komma kai an proerxontai. Arkei na yparxoyn kai na einai sygkekrimenes.

SIDERHS: Den katalabainw thn apanthsh sas, oti den qa ermhneysete th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Eiste h oxi h fwnh toy Prwqypoyrgoy edw kai genika sthn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan omilei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, arxhgoy parontos pasa arxh paysatw kai gia na to parafrasw, arxhgoy omiloyntos.

SIDERHS: Wraia. Qa rwthsw kai kati allo kai h apanthsh sas krinetai. Milaei gia meqodeyseis ths antidrashs. Poies einai aytes oi meqodeyseis kai poias antidrashs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei oti exw pei mexri twra.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me aformh mia erwthsh poy kateqese xqes, an den kanw laqos, o prwhn ypoyrgos toy PASOK k. Petsalnikos, qelw na sas rwthsw an synadei h politikh ths hpias prosarmoghs kai ths perikophs twn misqwn dieyqyntwn kai proedrwn organismwn me ayto poy apokalyce sthn erwthsh toy o k. Petsalnikos. Dhladh, oti epta koryfaia dieyqyntika stelexh ths dhmosias thleorashs ayjhsan kata 70 % ton misqo toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se tetoia qemata exw apanthsei polles fores. Malista qelw na pw oti egine syzhthsh sto plaisio ths akroashs toy neoy proedroy ths ERT sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. O idios tote dhlwse, kati to opoio eixa pei kai nwritera sthn aiqoysa ayth kai sth Boylh kai to epanalambanw kai shmera: An qeloyme s@ ena periballon sklhra antagwnistiko na exoyme mia kalyterh ERT, tote qa prepei na exoyme ikanoys anqrwpoys stis qeseis poy thn dioikoyn. Anqrwpoys oi opoioi qa ameibontai me th logikh ths agoras. Opws blepete kai eseis, oi amoibes toys einai poly katwteres apo th logikh ths agoras, dhladh toy sklhroy antagwnismoy poy yparxei sto xwro ths thleorashs, apo ta idiwtika kanalia. An loipon qeloyme antagwnistikes yphresies ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea -kai to exw pei para polles fores kai me aformh zhthmata kai apo thn EYDAP kai me alles ypoqeseis qa prepei na skeftomaste me th logikh ths agoras, an pragmatika qeloyme ta xrhmata twn Ellhnwn politwn na pianoyn topo, na ginontai swstes ependyseis. En prokeimenw gia thn ERT kai bebaiws gia na exoyme kalyterh poiothta enhmerwshs kai cyxagwgias prepei na ginei pio antagwnistikh se sxesh me ayto poy htan sto parelqon.

SIDERHS: H agora den mas ayjhse 1 eyrw to telos opws to ayjhse h ERT.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dhmosia thleorash, kai me apofash ths KOMISION se kaqe xwra ths E.E., exei ena esodo to opoio legetai ``dhmosio telos''. Ayto to esodo, pagiwmeno edw kai xronia, qa to ajiopoihsei h shmerinh Dioikhsh ths ERT me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Hdh opws gnwrizete merika apo ta problhmata poy klhronomhsame, exoyn arxisei na lynontai. Qa epanalabw ta dyo paradeigmata ta opoia exw pei kai allh fora s@ ayth thn aiqoysa. Prwton: Yparxoyn peripoy 1700 symbasioyxoi ek twn opoiwn peripoy 1400 qa ginoyn monimoi. Metajy aytwn h pleiochfia einai dhmosiografoi. Deyteron: Einai anagkh pleon h xwra mas na mhn einai oyragos kai sthn chfiakh texnologia kai sthn chfiakh epoxh. Opws gnwrizete exei anakoinwqei kai apo thn ERT -to exw anakoinwsei s@ ayth thn aiqoysa- oti h Ellhnikh Radiofwnia-Thleorash proxwraei ston epomeno xrono sthn ekpomph triwn newn programmatwn, triwn newn kanaliwn epigeias chfiakhs texnologias, to ena ek twn opoiwn proorizetai gia atoma me anaphria poy mexri shmera htan apokommena plhrws apo thn enhmerwsh kai thn cyxagwgia. Milame gia synanqrwpoys mas oi opoioi pasxoyn apo kwfothta h apo tyflothta. Problepetai hdh apo to 1989 apo thn Odhgia ``Thleorash xwris synora'' kai den exei ginei tipote sthn Ellada. Einai h prwth fora loipon poy proxwroyn sthn ERT sthn pilotikh ekpomph chfiakwn programmatwn. H chfiakh epoxh erxetai. H E.E. exei ekdwsei sygkekrimenes odhgies. Gi@ ayto kai to kostos megalwnei efoson qeloyme na akoloyqhsoyme tis alles xwres kai efoson qeloyme kai oi sympolites mas poy mexri twra den eixan ayth th dynatothta, na mporoyn kai na enhmerwqoyn kai na cyxagwghqoyn. Milame gia peripoy 70.000 oikogeneies an ypologisete me enan meso oro 4.000 atomwn, antilambaneste oti milame gia ena poly megalo ariqmo Ellhnwn politwn poy den eixan kamia prosbash, paroti kai aytoi plhrwnan opws kai oi ypoloipoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H ERT dhladh ginetai antagwnistikh ayjanontas toys misqoys merikwn stelexwn, mias dekaras stelexwn; Etsi ginetai antagwnistikh, dinontas kai tis paragwges se idiwtes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An ayto katanohsate apo thn apanthsh moy, lypoymai alla den akoysate thn apanthsh moy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn akoysa poly kala.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den thn akoysate. To oti exei arxisei na ginetai antagwnistikh einai hdh emfanes, apo mia seira gegonotwn ta opoia profanws, den parakoloyqeite.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw blepw tis paragwges.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean exete kati sygkekrimeno, parakalw na to peite twra, enwpion olwn. Ypainigmoys genikws kai aoristws, egw toylaxiston den dexomai.

PEPONHS: Eipate oti perimenete tis sygkekrimenes protaseis apo ton k. Papandreoy gia na tis syzhthsete eyxaristws klp. Eseis den exete dikes sas protaseis na tis kataqesete, na tis ypobalete kai na tis efarmosete h qewreite to isxyon plaisio arketo, opote den xreiazetai kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo thn erwthsh sas nomizw oti, den parakoloyqhsate tipota apo ta osa synebhsan toys teleytaioys 19 mhnes ston topo. Sas qymizw oti ena apo ta prwta sxedia poy hrqan sth Boylh ws sxedia nomoy, htan to qema ths katarghshs toy maqhmatikoy typoy kai ths antikatastashs, toy perifhmoy aytoy amartwloy maqhmatikoy typoy, me enan teleiws diaforetiko nomo, me mia teleiws diaforetikh nootropia gia thn anaqesh twn dhmosiwn ergwn. Sas qymizw oti para thn peripeteia toy basikoy metoxoy -h opoia elpizw na teleiwnei h odeyei sto telos ths- h kybernhsh prospaqhse na efarmosei to Syntagma gia na mporoyme na exoyme ena pio kaqaro topio sto zhthma poy anaferetai to arqro 14 toy Syntagmatos. To adikhma peri thn yphresia htan plhmmelhma kai meteblhqh se kakoyrghma. Yparxei mia seira qesmikwn allagwn poy exoyn ginei apo ayth thn kybernhsh. Ean to opoiodhpote komma, exei thn opoia protash, poy einai pio prowqhmenh kai pio endiaferoysa apo tis dikes mas protaseis, emeis teinoyme eyhkoon oys na tis akoysoyme. Mexri twra, eidika apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, eixame akoysei genikothtes, gi` ayto kai eipa oti xarhka poy akoysa xqes ton k. Papandreoy na leei oti qa dwsei pio sygkekrimena analytika stoixeia gia tis 8 protaseis.

PEPONHS: Ayta ta opoia qesmoqethsate, ta qesmoqethsate. To erwthma moy einai: Ta qewreite arketa h exete kai kati allo mprosta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pote den einai arketa. Shmasia exei na proxwraei kanenas me strathgikh kai staqera bhmata. Gia paradeigma sto radiothleoptiko topio -exw milhsei polles fores, na mh sas koyrasw epanalambanontas ta idia pragmata- xreiazetai na ginoyn ki alla bhmata wste na mpei enas fragmos, ena telos sthn anarxh domhsh aytoy toy topioy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto noshro klima twn hmerwn, h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos entassei kai ta syntrofika maxairwmata, ta allhlokarfwmata metajy twn boyleytwn, opws symbainei sthn perifereia toy Peiraia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipota perissotero gia th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den anaferomai sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qelw na moy peite an synadoyn ta allhlokarfwmata twn boyleytwn me to hqos kai to yfos poy epaggelqhke h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

POYLIDOY: Sthn apanthsh sas sxetika me tis amoibes stelexwn ths ERT eipate oti aytes prosdiorizontai se synarthsh me to antagwnistiko periballon. Efoson einai etsi, tote giati zhthsate apo toys proedroys twn DEKO perikoph twn misqwn toys, molis analabate thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme janamilhsei gia to qema. Den qelw na epanalabw ta idia poy eipa kai prohgoymenws. Eipa gia epixeirhseis poy briskontai se sklhro antagwnismo sthn agora. Yparxoyn epixeirhseis toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea poy einai se sklhro antagwnismo sthn agora kai epixeirhseis poy den einai.

POYLIDOY: Oi DEKO den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Orismenes apo aytes oxi. Ara, loipon, ekei poy o antagwnismos einai sklhros, ofeiloyme an sebomaste to xrhma toy ellhna polith. Kai an qeloyme na parexoyn aytes oi yphresies kalyterh poiothta, na leitoyrgoyme me toys kanones ths agoras kai na briskoyme toys kalyteroys. Diaforetika oi kalyteroi qa einai panta se idiwtikes epixeirhseis kai oi epixeirhseis toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea anti na anebainoyn, anti na ginontai kalyteres, qa fqinoyn.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Dexomenos th syllogistikh thn opoia proswpika qewrw poly swsth, oti se ena antagwnistiko periballon kapoia stelexh ths ERT prepei na ameibontai me toys nomoys ths agoras, me oti leei h piatsa, alla thn idia stigmh den prepei na isxyei to idio kai gia toys aploys syntaktes; An qelei na einai h ERT antagwnistikh, den qa eprepe na einai antagwnistikoi kai oi misqoi twn aplwn syntaktwn; Gnwrizete poso einai oi misqoi twn aplwn syntaktwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai nomizw oti se ena poly megalo baqmo, oles oi symbaseis einai panw apo ta oria ths syllogikhs symbashs poy problepei h ESHEA.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ayto einai ena antagwnistiko periballon;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afhste me sas parakalw na oloklhrwsw. Prwton, den yparxei kamia parabiash twn oriwn poy problepontai stis syllogikes symbaseis ths ESHEA. Deyteron, yparxei h ajiopoihsh, kata ton kalytero dynato tropo, twn stelexwn kai bebaiws h amoibh toys h opoia einai panw apo tis syllogikes symbaseis stis perissoteres twn periptwsewn. Moy dinete thn eykairia na sas pw, giati blepw oti yparxei megalo endiaferon gia thn ERT, oti yparxei hdh ena sxedio to opoio epejergazetai h dioikhsh ths ERT -qa hqela na to anakoinwsw stoys prosexeis dyo mhnes, efoson ola einai etoima- gia thn anabaqmish synolika twn yphresiwn ths dhmosias epixeirhshs poy legetai dhmosia thleorash kai gia ton orismo kanonwn synolika gi` ayth th leitoyrgia. Exoyme hdh apo kairo, kai egw proswpika -opws gnwrizete tajideca se kapoies alles eyrwpaikes xwres- alla kai o Proedros ths ERT, prospaqhsei na katagracoyme montela dioikhshs, organwshs apo megales dhmosies thleoraseis xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ayth, loipon, h katagrafh exei sxedon oloklhrwqei. Exoyn katateqei nees protaseis sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn kai me toys ergazomenoys, se kapoies apo tis periptwseis poy toys aforoyn. H prospaqeia thn opoia katabalei h shmerinh politikh hgesia kai h shmerinh hgesia ths ERT einai na allajei teleiws to topio poy blepoyme h blepame mexri twra. Qa sas to pw me ena aplo paradeigma. Qa oristoyn kanones gia to posoi ergazomenoi qa ergazontai sthn ERT. Den mporei akritws o opoiosdhpote brisketai sth qesh toy ypeyqynoy Ypoyrgoy gia thn ERT, na diorizei opoion ekeinos qelei. Prepei na mpoyn kanones, gia ton ariqmo twn ergazomenwn en prwtois. Dioti qa akoysw thn kritikh thn opoia ki egw askoysa sthn antipoliteysh kai ws dhmosiografos an qelete sto parelqon, giati h dhmosia thleorash kai radiofwnia na exei poly megalytero ariqmo stelexwn, ergazomenwn ap` oti mporei na exoyn antistoixa idiwtika MME. Den einai kaqoloy to idio. Den mporei na exei ton idio ariqmo stelexwn h ton idio ariqmo ergazomenwn. Dioti milame gia tria thleoptika kanalia, milame gia 3 nea kanalia ta opoia ginontai sto topio ths chfiakhs thleorashs kai gia 19 radiofwnikoys staqmoys se olh thn Ellada. Milame gia ena terastio mhxanismo, o opoios den mporei na syrriknwqei se ariqmoys. Alla, sigoyra ekeino poy mporei na mpei einai ena orio: Na gnwrizoyn oloi oti xreiazetai tosoys texnikoys, tosoys dhmosiografoys, tosoys politikoys syntaktes, tosoys koinoboyleytikoys syntaktes. Kai sth synexeia -ayto einai to diko moy orama- na gnwrizoyn oloi tis diadikasies me tis opoies proslambanetai kapoios sthn ERT, peran toy texnikoy proswpikoy h kapoiwn dioikhtikwn ypallhlwn, poy einai gnwstes diadikasies, synolika twn proswpwn ths ERT. Qa sas to pw ligaki pio proswpika. Elpizw sto telos ths qhteias moy sth qesh ayth, na mporw na exw bohqhsei th dhmosia thleorash na exei poiothta sthn enhmerwsh, sthn cyxagwgia kai plhrh anejarthsia apo thn opoia politikh hgesia. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth doyleyoyme oloi mas kai pisteyw oti exoyme kanei hdh sobara bhmata. Se kaqe periptwsh, syntoma qa exete megalyterh enhmerwsh, eseis kaqws kai oi armodioi radiothleoptikoi syntaktes, gia ta qemata ayta.

SARANTAKOS: Qewreite oti ayth th stigmh oi ergazomenoi sthn ERT, dioikhtikoi kai dhmosiografoi einai san ariqmos panw h katw apo to orio to opoio mas perigracate prin apo ligo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa protimoysa na mhn pw perissotera pragmata gia dyo logoys. Prwton, giati entos toy epomenoy dimhnoy, endexomenws, na exei oloklhrwqei olh ayth h syzhthsh, olo ayto to sxedio drashs to opoio etoimazei h dioikhsh ths ERT se synergasia me toys ergazomenoys. Deyteron, giati qa hqela oles aytes tis anakoinwseis na tis kanw me leptomereies stoys synadelfoys sas poy asxoloyntai me to radiothleoptiko reportaz, pisteyontas oti ayto qa einai to deontologika swsto.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw th gnwmh sas kai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, alla kai ws melos ths N.D.. Xqes, o k. Meimarakhs, xwris na mas eidopoihsei, kalese ton k. Mantoybalo sto grafeio toy kai afoy toy ejhghse gia poio logo@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sygxwreste ton, kanei kai aytos kinhseis, xwris na to pei se oloys toys dhmosiografoys. Ma, ti lete, kyrie Papagiannh; Me sygxwreite, dhladh, alla qa prepei kaqe stelexos, grammateas, yfypoyrgos, ypoyrgos na eidopoiei gia kaqe toy kinhsh;

PAPAGIANNHS: To anefera, den askhsa kritikh. To anefera ws dedomeno. Den eipa tipota parapanw, an htan kalh h kakh h kinhsh toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, opws to anaferate, oti ekane mia kinhsh xwris na sas eidopoihsei, fantazomai na toy dinoyme to dikaiwma na kineitai ws Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, xwris na eidopoihsei prohgoymenws toys dhmosiografoys.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai to ejhs: Gia poio logo h Nea Dhmokratia mpainei sth logikh ths apokophs stelexwn, opws toy k. Polyzoy kai toy k. Mantoybaloy, xwris na toys diagrafei apo ta armodia kommatika organa, dhladh apo melh twn topikwn organwsewn poy einai stis perioxes toys; Kai oysiastika o k. Meimarakhs leei kai anakoinwnei to aytonohto: oti dhladh o k. Mantoybalos den qa metexei sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy kommatos. Ma, fysika kai den qa metexei, efoson anejarthtopoihqhke. Mporeite na moy to ejhghsete ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa xqes. Perissoteres erwthseis @giati ayto poy lete afora to komma- mporeite na ypobalete sto Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Synexeia ths erwthsews: Poso sas problhmatizei to endexomeno o k. Mantoybalos na katebei aytonoma kai kontra sth N.D. ws ypochfios dhmarxos ston Peiraia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, h synexeia ths erwthsews sas den eixe labei ypoch ths thn apanthsh poy edwsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, den nomizw na apanthsate, na eipate kati to sygkekrimeno. Dhladh, den sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti mporei o k. Mantoybalos na kanei prajh thn apeilh toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apantw se ypoqeseis. Oyte akoysa kapoia ``apeilh'', opws to lete eseis. Na mhn adikoyme anqrwpoys.

POYLIDOY: Einai apeilh to na skeptetai na katebei gia dhmarxos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, eipe gia kapoia ``apeilh''. Den akoysa kan poia apeilh.

POYLIDOY: Den ton adikoyme, dhladh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan enas dhmosiografos leei oti kapoio politiko stelexos apeilei kapoion, ofeilw na sebastw kai na yperaspistw to politiko stelexos, se opoio komma kai an brisketai. Den qewrw oti yparxei apeilh apo politika stelexh.

SARANTAKOS: O k. Mantoybalos eipe xqes sth dhlwsh toy kati, poy afora kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Eipe oti gnwrize o k. Karamanlhs ta osa symbainoyn kai ton polemo poy exei dexqei ston Peiraia kai ola ayta ta opoia kathggeile tis teleytaies hmeres o k. Mantoybalos. O k. Karamanlhs gnwrize; @Htan gnwsths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qelw na pw tipota perissotero gia to qema ayto. To ejantlhsa xqes kai proxqes.

SARANTAKOS: Mhn poyme gia deyterh fora, gi@ ayto sas rwtw jana.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ki egw lew gia deyterh h trith fora oti den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Sarantakoy, o k. Mantoybalos pro peripoy dyo mhnwn, perase thn porta toy Majimoy kai symfwna me toys dikoys toy isxyrismoys, enhmerwse ton k. Karamanlh gi@ ayto to eswkommatiko topio, opws diamorfwnotan ston Peiraia, me bash panta th dikh toy syllogistikh. Ara, o Prwqypoyrgos gnwrize.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Exei doqei kapoio xroniko periqwrio stoys ypoyrgoys gia na kataqesoyn toys fakeloys twn synergatwn toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas hdh apo proxqes.

ALIFEROPOYLOS: Na ypoqesoyme oti, an kapoios synergaths apo edw kai pera paraiteitai, exei fakelo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh sto erwthma.

FLORES: Yparxei programmatismenh synanthsh metajy k. Karamanlh kai k. Erntogan sto Londino;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den exw kati tetoio ypoch moy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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