Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-10-25

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Aqhna, 25 Oktwbrioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Prin apo ligh wra ypegrafh, paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy h Synqhkh ths Energeiakhs Koinothtas me th symmetoxh pollwn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs. H ypografh ayth einai istorikhs shmasias opws einai etsi kai istorikhs shmasias h hmera gia thn Eyrwph, gia th Notioanatolikh Eyrwph kai gia thn Ellada. Einai h afethria ths eniaias agoras energeias sth Notioanatolikh Eyrwph, mesa se pneyma synergasias, eirhnhs kai allhleggyhs.

Einai mia hmera oroshmo, kaqws h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gia prwth fora ypografei Synqhkh desmeytikoy xarakthra ston tomea ths energeias me trites xwres. Mia nea epoxh jekinaei gia thn proodo, thn anaptyjh kai thn eyhmeria olwn twn lawn ths perioxhs. H idrysh ths Energeiakhs Koinothtas afora sth dhmioyrgia mias eniaias agoras hlektrikhs energeias kai fysikoy aerioy metajy twn xwrwn ths perioxhs ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs kai ths eyryterhs perioxhs, me apwtero skopo thn enswmatwsh ths sthn eswterikh agora energeias ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. H dhmioyrgia ths Energeiakhs Koinothtas aposkopei:

Prwton, sthn proselkysh megalhs klimakas ependysewn se erga energeiakhs ypodomhs, opws monades hlektroparagwghs, diktya hlektrismoy kai diktya fysikoy aerioy. Sygkekrimena, ypologizetai oti qa xreiastoyn kondylia ths tajews twn 12,5 disekatommyriwn eyrw, toso gia thn apokatastash twn yfistamenwn staqmwn paragwghs hlektrismoy, oso kai gia thn kataskeyh newn, enw epipleon 8,5 disekatommyria eyrw qa dapanhqoyn gia thn kataskeyh twn anagkaiwn diktywn metaforas kai dianomhs.

Deyteron, aposkopei sthn anabaqmish ths eyryterhs perioxhs ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs kai ths anadeijhs ths se energeiako diaylo metajy Anatolhs kai Dyshs.

Triton, sth dhmioyrgia eniaioy kai staqeroy ryqmistikoy plaisioy kai synqhkwn eleyqeroy antagwnismoy stis topikes agores hlektrismoy kai fysikoy aerioy.

Kai tetarton, sthn koinwnikh kai oikonomikh anaptyjh twn xwrwn ths perioxhs ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs. Shmeiwnoyme oti h Aqhna orizetai ws edra twn ypoyrgikwn synanthsewn gia qemata hlektrismoy, kaqws kai edra toy Ryqmistikoy Symboylioy Energeias ths Energeiakhs Koinothtas.

O Prwqypoyrgos ayrio, stis 11:00, qa parastei sth dojologia gia thn eorth toy Polioyxoy ths Qessalonikhs kai thn epeteio apeleyqerwshs ths polhs poy qa telestei ston iero nao toy Agioy Dhmhtrioy. Argotera, to meshmeri, qa anaxwrhsei gia to Londino, prokeimenoy na symmetasxei sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: (Den akoygetai) @ypegrafh apo thn Toyrkia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den ypegrafh apo thn Toyrkia. Einai qema poy afora thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai thn Toyrkia. Opws dhlwqhke apo ton armodio eyrwpaio Epitropo, den ypegrafh gia texnikoys logoys. Synexizontai oi syzhthseis wspoy na lyqoyn ta texnika zhthmata poy exoyn anakycei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai ena diadikastiko erwthma: H idioths toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy kalyptei kai thn idiothta toy ypoyrgoy Typoy; Orismenes erwthseis poy qeloyme na sas kanoyme gia to kaq` ylhn ergo sas, pote prepei na tis kanoyme; Jexwrista h mesa sto briefing;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kata th diarkeia ths kaqhmerinhs politikhs enhmerwshs, exoyn ginei, polles fores, erwthseis poy aforoyn thn idiothta moy ws ypoyrgoy me armodiothta se qemata Typoy. Mporeite na qesete tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw poly.

SIDERHS: Exw dyo erwthseis: H prwth, mhpws plhrwnete telika thn apolitikh hqikologia poy kanate ola ayta ta xronia ws antipoliteysh kai kindyneyete genika na kriqeite, oxi apo to ergo sas opoio ki an kanete, alla apo tis entypwseis poy dinei h hqikh symperifora twn melwn sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mia kybernhsh krinetai pantote apo to ergo ths kai bebaiws kai apo mia seira allwn paragontwn. To zhthma, etsi opws to qesate, qa moy epitrecete na me kanei na diathrw tis epifylajeis moy gia to sxolio, alla ayto den exei kamia idiaiterh shmasia. Qelw na sas pw oti krinontai oi symperifores olwn. Bebaiws, oi symperifores twn politikwn krinontai kai en telei, synypologizontai sth syneidhsh toy ellhna polith. Exei shmasia ean mia kybernhsh proxwraei sto ergo ths kai proxwraei se qesmikes allages gia na empedwqei ayto to ergo h oxi. H paroysa kybernhsh, loipon, se zhthmata diafaneias -sta opoia nomizw anaferetai h erwthsh sas- exei hdh proxwrhsei se qesmikes allages kai synexizei kai me alles. Molis xqes sas anakoinwsa mia poly shmantikh qesmikh allagh poy ginetai.

SIDERHS: Kat` arxhn to sxolio den ginetai gia to sxolio, ginetai gia na ypobohqhsei thn erwthsh kai na ths dwsei periexomeno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, pote den krinw sxolia dhmosiografwn h reportaz dhmosiografwn.

SIDERHS: Me poio dikaiwma o k. Giakoymatos anemize kai edine sth dhmosiothta ta proswpika dedomena ths gnwsths kyrias poy magnhtofwnoyse toys ypallhloys toy OAED kai apasxolhse thn epikairothta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na ``anemise'', opws eipate@

SIDERHS: Ta edwse sth dhmosiothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte ayto to gnwrizw. Exw thn entypwsh oti einai laqos plhroforia.

SIDERHS: Edwse th forologikh ths dhlwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti exw thn entypwsh pws einai laqos h plhroforia oti edoqh apo ton armodio yfypoyrgo, gia alla zhthmata bebaiws kai oxi gia zhthmata oikonomias, ayto to opoio lete. Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Na sas bohqhsw sto sxolio sas. Xqes o k. Giakoymatos edwse mia synenteyjh ston k. Polith kai ap` o,ti plhroforhqhka eipe oti kapoios eixe sta xeria toy ayto to antigrafo ths forologikhs dhlwshs ths kyrias, to phre kai o k. Giakoymatos kai meta to edwse sth dhmosiothta gia na mh doqei apo allh phgh. Dhladh to paradexetai kai o idios.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na diathrw tis epifylajeis moy. Einai poly nwph h mnhmh olwn. Thn perasmenh kiolas ebdomada, apantwntas se kapoia erwthsh ypepesa se laqos kai to paradexqhka thn epomenh hmera, dioti den htan akribhs h plhroforia poy moy edoqh. Ara, loipon, qa moy epitrecete na diathrhsw epifylajeis gia to kata poson eipwqhke, opws metaferetai se ayth thn aiqoysa, h dhlwsh toy k. Giakoymatoy.

BLAXOS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti orismenes efhmerides dhmosieysan aytoysia th forologikh dhlwsh ths kyrias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw pei polles fores oti den sxoliazw efhmerides kai dhmosiografoys, den krinw Mesa Enhmerwshs.

BLAXOS: Sxoliasate omws ta kanalia xqes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anafora se fainomena einai teleiws diaforetiko pragma. Einai allo na anaferetai kaneis se fainomena kai allo na sxoliazei reportaz, analyseis h apoceis dhmosiografwn. Den to ekana kai den qa to kanw pote.

BLAXOS: Reportaz einai na dhmosieyeis ta proswpika dedomena enos polith;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti den sxoliazw reportaz dhmosiografwn, efhmeridwn, MME. Parakalw na to sebasteite.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei dysareskeia sto Megaro Majimoy gia ton tropo me ton opoio epeleje o k. Mantoybalos na anakoinwsei thn paraithsh toy, dhladh ennow dia thleorasews kai xwris na enhmerwsei armodiws; Ekfrazei dhladh kai apo thn pleyra toy mia pikria mh sthrijhs ek meroys ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan sigoyra anorqodojos o tropos. Gia ta peraiterw sas parapempw se sxetikh anakoinwsh toy Genikoy Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths N.D. k. Meimarakh.

XIWTHS: Qewreite oti htan to idio anorqodojos kai o tropos me ton opoio antedrasan kapoioi apo toys synadelfoys toy poy eklegontai sthn idia perifereia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den symfwnw me sxolia, ta opoia krinoyn h epikrinoyn boyleyth idiws an ginontai metajy boyleytwn. Mporei na yparxoyn apoceis, tis sebomai oles, alla egw proswpika den symfwnw.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo erwthseis: Epibebaiwnetai h diaceydetai tis plhrofories poy feroyn ton Eisaggelea k. Zormpa na topoqeteitai sth qesh toy Proedroy h toy epikefalhs sth nea Arxh thn opoia dhmioyrghse h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoia plhroforia.

PAPAGIANNHS: To hxhtiko ntokoymento poy afora th sygkekrimenh kyria poy prospaqhse na dwrodokhsei ton k. Giakoymato, to dwsate eseis sth dhmosiothta, to Megaro Majimoy; Giati efqase kai sto diko mas kanali.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kathgorhmatika, oxi.

PAPAGIANNHS: Poios to edwse sth dhmosiothta; Apo poy estalh ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Kathgorhmatika sas lew oti tetoio ntokoymento den edoqh apo to Megaro Majimoy.

ARMENHS: To prwi se thleoptikh ekpomph, akoysthke oti se thlefwnikh epikoinwnia poy eixe mazi sas o k. Mantoybalos, toy apodidetai h frash oti sas eipe ``bgalte ta xrysa rologia kai katebeite ston kosmo''. Isxyei ayto; Poio einai to diko sas sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To akoysa xqes, den gnwrizw an eipwqhke kai shmera to prwi. Epikoinwnhsa shmera me ton k. Mantoybalo kai ton rwthsa. Me diabebaiwse oti oydepote o idios exei pei kati tetoio. Kai bebaiws oydepote synebh kati tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes o k. Mantoybalos sth dhlwsh ths paraithshs toy, thn opoia ekane mprosta stis thleoptikes kameres, anefere oti exei gnwstopoihsei ta problhmata poy yparxoyn sthn perifereia toy, sto prwqypoyrgiko grafeio. Apo thn pleyra sas xqes, speysate na to diaceysete. Telika, yparxei omws edw ena erwthma: O k. Mantoybalos epimenei se ayto. Ti apantate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw parakalesei kai allh fora na diabazete akribws tis dhlwseis moy. Ekeino to opoio xqes, espeysa, opws eipate, na diaceysw einai oti yphrje enhmerwsh gia thn prajh sthn opoia proxwrhse o boyleyths.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas dieykrinisete giati xarakthrisate anorqodojo ton tropo ths paraithshs toy k. Mantoybaloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh poy ekane o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, o opoios kalese ton k. Mantoybalo, shmera to prwi.

KAKALHS: Poy egkeitai to anorqodojo, gia na katalaboyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H paraithsh ypoballetai me sygkekrimenh diadikasia poy problepetai apo ton kanonismo ths Boylhs. Dhladh, to arqro 60 toy Syntagmatos.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla me sygxwreite gi ayto, alla ta kommata epilegoyn toys boyleytes me bash thn anagnwrishmothta. Dhladh, kata poson einai thleoptikoi asteres kai thleoptikes glastres, dhladh apo ta kanalia. Ara einai entelws logiko na ypobaloyn thn paraithsh toys prwta sta kanalia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an anafereste sta koinoboyleytika kommata, giati ayto einai mia momfh poy afora ola ta kommata.

KAKALHS: Ennow ta dyo megala kommata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia krish poy afora ola ta koinoboyleytika kommata. Ekeino to opoio qelw na sas pw, einai oti o tropos me ton opoio epilegei to kaqe komma toys ypochfioys toy, einai gnwstos kai diafanhs.

TSIODRAS: Dyo erwthseis: H prwth, an pisteyete oti o k. Mantoybalos qa eprepe na eixe paraithqei kai apo th qesh toy boyleyth, ektos apo thn K.O. ths N.D., giati exei eklegei me tis chfoys ths N.D., ara katalambanei mia edra gia thn kybernhtikh paratajh kai deyteron, milhsate xqes gia kaqe periptwsh poy qa antimetwpizetai xwrista. Omws dhmioyrgeitai ena synolikotero politiko klima, to opoio anairei ayta ta opoia leei h kybernhsh gia th diafqora. Otan dhladh exoyme seira stelexwn, to teleytaio diasthma, tessarwn-pente poy enexontai se diafores ypoqeseis, tote den milame gia kapoio memonwmeno peristatiko, alla milame gia periptwseis oi opoies dhmioyrgoyn ena synolikotero politiko klima. Ayto pws skopeyei na to antimetwpisei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa sto erwthma, opws peripoy perigracate kai oxi mono xqes, alla kai alles fores legontas oti ginetai mia prospaqeia dhmioyrgias entypwsewn kai isopedwshs. Apanthsa legontas oti kaqe periptwsh krinetai xwrista. Giati eidame periptwseis oi opoies -opws kai xqes- mphkan sto idio sakoyli, enw den exoyn kamia sxesh h mia me thn allh. Den dhmioyrgoyntai synqhkes diafqoras. Mporei na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis, opws eseis anaferate, alla mono ean kapoios entryfhsei sthn kaqe ypoqesh, qa mporesei na ejagei akribh symperasmata. Kai en pash periptwsei, ekeino to opoio exw pei kai alles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa, einai h antidrash h opoia yparxei eite apo to komma ths N.D. eite apo thn kybernhsh.

TSIODRAS: Sthn prwth erwthsh, sxetika me to an qa eprepe@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto prwto skelos ths erwthsh sas, qewrw oti exw apanthsei prohgoymenws otan anaferqhka sto arqro 60 toy Syntagmatos, to opoio einai safes.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o prwhn Proedros toy Synaspismoy, o k. Kwnstantopoylos, proteine xqes meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton k. Papoylia, na sygklhqei to Symboylio twn Politikwn Arxhgwn gia na syzhthsoyn apo koinoy ta kommata protaseis kai lyseis gia ta zhthmata ths diafqoras. Taytoxrona o Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs k. Papandreoy, syzhthse to idio qema me ton k. Stefanopoylo. Qelw na rwthsw, skeftetai h kybernhsh na analabei mia tetoia prwtoboylia diakommatikhs synennohshs gi ayta ta zhthmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete apo thn prajh, h antimetwpish tetoiwn problhmatwn, ginetai me qesmiko tropo. Sto plaisio toy koinoboyleytikoy dialogoy, h kybernhsh akoyei protaseis. Malista se polles periptwseis gia nomosxedia poy exoyn hdh chfistei gia zhthmata antimetwpishs problhmatwn diafaneias, apodexqhke protaseis apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs.

XIWTHS: Sygnwmh, den moy apantate. Kanate mia genikh perigrafh toy fainomenoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa, pws dra h kybernhsh. Bebaiws, kapoies epitropes mporei na bohqoyn genikws, alla h kybernhsh, ejeidikeymena, eisagei nomosxedia sth Boylh, akoyei kai protaseis apo ta alla kommata. H antimetwpish problhmatwn diafaneias einai antimetwpish qesmikhs morfhs. Ayth loipon h qesmikh morfh, perilambanetai sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy Koinoboylioy.

XIWTHS: Sas rwtw kati poly sygkekrimeno: Ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na analabei prwtoboylia gia mia diakommatikh synennohsh. Na kaqisoyn oi politikoi arxhgoi gyrw apo to idio trapezi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia thn ypoqesh toy k. Mixaloy. Einai mia ypoqesh poy efere sth dhmosiothta h efhmerida to ``QEMA''. Sto deytero dhmosieyma poy eixe thn Kyriakh, leei oti ta stoixeia gia ayth thn ypoqesh einai sth diaqesh ths kybernhshs h opoioydhpote endiaferetai. Exei endiaferqei h kybernhsh gia ta stoixeia ayths ths ypoqeshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh sto qema se xqesinh erwthsh sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Allo rwthsa, den htan to idio.. Rwthsa ean exei zhthsei stoixeia h kybernhsh gi aythn thn ypoqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei se ayto to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh prokeitai na allajei to nomo peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn, opws kai to qema ths asylias twn boyleytwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean yparxei tetoia skech, oyte ean exei ginei kapoia tetoia syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati me th nomoqesia poy yparxei, molis ginontai ypoyrgoi meta den exoyn kamia eyqynh h paragrafetai to adikhma. Kapote elege h N.D. oti qa to katarghsei. Yparxei akoma ayto; Gi ayto rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai to erwthma sas. Den exw kati na sas pw.

BAGIANOS: Yparxei kati perissotero gia th shmerinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, pera apo mia anakoinwsh gia qemata toy ypoyrgeioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

SIDERHS: Milhsate gia amesh antidrash. Epanaferw mia xqesinh erwthsh moy. Htan endedeigmenos o tropos toy k. Aggelopoyloy; Den qa mporoyse na perimenei na anoijoyn ta grafeia th Deytera ta grafeia toy ypoyrgeioy kai na kalesei ton k. Gerasimoy kai na zhthsei thn paraithsh toy; Mhpws eseis apajiwnete tis qesmikes leitoyrgies toy kratoys kai ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afoy epanaferete xqesinh erwthsh, den exw para na epanaferw th xqesinh apanthsh moy.

SIDERHS: Mhpws kanate aytokritikh endiamesws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanaferw th xqesinh apanthsh moy, parakalw na thn diabaste.

KAKALHS: Qewreite oti einai katallhlh h stigmh gia na pragmatopoihqei to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra, me dedomeno oti h kybernhsh ths geitonikhs xwras amfisbhtei thn oikoymenikothta toy Patriarxeioy kai den proxwra sth leitoyrgia ths Sxolhs ths Xalkhs, den proxwra sthn anagnwrish ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias oyte de jure, oyte de facto para synexizei tis parabiaseis sto Aigaio. Kai xqes, sto Symboylio Eqnikhs Asfaleias pareteine thn isxy toy casus belli sto neo dogma, symfwna me tis plhrofories poy yparxoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn qa probei se dhlwseis amesws meta th synanthsh toy me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Ayto poy qelw na sas pw einai oti sta qemata poy qesate yparxoyn probleceis sto Prwtokollo Synergasias, sth symfwnia poy exei ypogracei h Toyrkia me thn E.E., prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyn oi diadikasies ths entajhs ths. Probleceis poy einai arketa aysthres gia thn Toyrkia.

BLAXOS: Gia to casus belli;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai gi ayto. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei topoqethqei sto qema edw kai poly kairo.

PALAIOLOGOS: To teleytaio diasthma parathreitai synexws to fainomeno kaqe fora poy diatypwnetai mia kataggelia, apo opoiodhpote Meso, aytos poy ginetai antikeimeno ths kataggelias na paraiteitai kai h kybernhsh na speydei na apodexetai thn paraithsh toy. Ayto to fainomeno qymizei h parapempei se fainomena anqrwpoqysiwn. Mhpws qa eprepe h kybernhsh na anaqewrhsei th stash ths h toylaxiston na mhn ginontai etsi eykola apodektes oi paraithseis orismenwn kratikwn stelexwn h kai boyleytwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai poly genikh h parathrhsh sas kai den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Den synebhsan ola, etsi opws ta perigrafete.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qelw na epibebaiwsete h na moy diaceysete ean exei stalei epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo oxi dia ths qesmikhs odoy, mesw toy Koinoboylioy, sto Megaro Majimoy apo 10-15 boyleytes ths N.D., oi opoioi toy efistoyn oysiastika ths prosoxh ws pros ta gegonota poy diadramatizontai tis teleytaies hmeres.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoia epistolh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ws pros th nea arxh, thn opoia dhmioyrgei h kybernhsh, h nea ayth arxh poy stoxo exei thn katapolemhsh toy mayroy xrhmatos, exei ws stoxeysh dyo sygkekrimenoys epixeirhmaties, ton k. Kokkalh kai ton k. Kontomhna.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw pei se ayth thn aiqoysa, giati ki eseis exete janarwthsei antistoixa pragmata, oti h kybernhsh den exei stoxo kanenan epixeirhmatia. O stoxos kai o skopos mias kybernhshs poy ejelegh apo thn syntriptikh pleiochfia toy eklogikoy swmatos, einai na kanei ekeines tis qesmikes parembaseis, wste oloi oi polites na exoyn ta idia dikaiwmata kai tis idies ypoxrewseis. Qesmikes parembaseis exoyn, hdh, arxisei na ginontai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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