Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-10-24

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Aqhna, 24 Oktwbrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Synedriase shmera h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qema nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn gia thn antimetwpish toy jeplymatos mayroy xrhmatos:

``Qemeliwdhs ypoxrewsh ths Politeias einai na prostateyei toys polites apo egklhmatikes drasthriothtes, opws einai gia paradeigma to emporio narkwtikwn h h xrhmatodothsh ths tromokratias poy synepagontai ena bary kostos gia thn koinwnia. Oi sygxrones meqodoi poy akoloyqoyn ta kyklwmata poy nomimopoioyn ta esoda apo egklhmatikes drasthriothtes, kaqistoyn epitaktikh thn anagkh gia ton diarkh eksygxronismo toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy wste ayta na antimetwpizontai oso to dynaton taxytera kai pio apotelesmatika. Gia polla xronia, to nomoqetiko plaisio den eixe antapokriqei stis anagkes poy dhmioyrgoyse to neo periballon, me apotelesma na exei jeperastei.

Me to sxedio nomoy poy prowqoyme gia thn prosarmogh ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias sthn odhgia 2001 toy 1997 twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn, gia thn prolhch ths xrhsimopoihshs toy xrhmatopistwtikoy systhmatos gia thn nomimopoihsh esodwn apo egklhmatikes drasthriothtes, ginetai o aparaithtos eksygxronismos toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy. Eidikotera: Anabaqmizetai, to nomoqetiko, dioikhtiko kai leitoyrgiko plaisio gia thn antimetwpish toy jeplymatos xrhmatos kai thn katapolemhsh ths tromokratias, enw parallhla diasfalizetai kai h qwrakish toy xrhmatopistwtikoy mas systhmatos apo toys kindynoys aytoy toy egklhmatos. Ta teleytaia xronia, kefalaiwdh shmasia apekthse dieqnws to qema ths xrhmatodothshs ths tromokratias. Oi oktw systaseis ths dieqnoys omadas drashs, eixan en merei enswmatwqei sth nomoqesia mas. Kai me tis diatajeis toy parontos nomoy enswmatwnontai plhrws. Orismenes alles anaqewrhmenes systaseis ths dieqnoys omadas drashs -25 apo tis yparxoyses 40- poy aforoyn to egklhma ths nomimopoihshs esodwn apo diafores egklhmatikes drasthriothtes qa enswmatwqoyn argotera sth nomoqesia mas, me bash th syzhtoymenh sthn E.E. trith odhgia. H odhgia ayth enswmatwnei kata tropo eniaio gia ta krath-melh tis en logw systaseis kai anamenetai na qespistei ws to telos Ioynioy toy 2006.

To paron nomosxedio eisagei dyo kainotomies:

-Prwton: Th dieyrynsh toy orismoy poy afora ta basika egklhmata.

-Deyteron: Th dieyrynsh toy orismoy twn proswpwn poy einai ypoxreoi na anaferoyn ypoptes synallages. Epishs ginetai prosarmogh ths nomoqesias mas se koinotikes prajeis kai enisxyontai oi armodiothtes kai oi ejoysies ths Epitrophs toy arqroy 7, toy N.2331/1995 kai anamorfwnetai h synqesh ths me bash tis nees apaithseis. Apofash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs einai h epitroph toy arqroy 7 na anabaqmistei se Anejarthth Dioikhtikh Arxh. Parallhla, parexetai sthn Epitroph h dynatothta prosbashs se dhmosia kai idiwtika arxeia, xwris na desmeyetai apo to forologiko aporrhto, enw dieyrynontai oi armodiothtes ths kai ws pros thn ajiologhsh kai diereynhsh plhroforiwn kai anaforwn poy diabibazontai apo toys armodioys foreis ths xwras mas alla kai twn dieqnwn organismwn poy afora to egklhma ths xrhmatodothshs ths tromokratias kaqws kai th lhch twn aparaithtwn metrwn gia th desmeysh ths perioysias twn proswpwn poy emplekontai se ayto. Taytoxronws, orqologikopoioyntai oi poinikes kyrwseis poy epekteinontai kai se ekeinoys poy den ypoballoyn armodiws anafora ypopths synallaghs apo baria ameleia kai ejeidikeyontai oi ypoxrewseis twn pistwtikwn idrymatwn kai twn xrhmatopistwtikwn organismwn wste na antimetwpistei pio apotelesmatika to egklhma ths nomimopoihshs esodwn apo egklhmatikes drasthriothtes. To egklhma ths xrhmatodothshs ths tromokratias exei ejairetikh shmasia kai h poinikopoihsh toy problefqhke me to N.3253/2004 toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs.

Allo ena shmantiko egklhma einai h kataxrhsh agoras. Gia ton entopismo ths kai thn epibolh kyrwsewn armodia einai h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras, h opoia prepei na synergazetai me thn yfistamenh toy arqroy 7, h opoia opws eipa anabaqmizetai se Anejarthth Dioikhtikh Arxh. Gia thn ajiologhsh ths apotelesmatikothtas toy mhxanismoy antimetwpishs twn anaferomenwn sto nomosxedio egklhmatwn, to syntonismo ths drashs twn armodiwn arxwn, thn ejetash lhchs metrwn se eyaisqhtoys tomeis, kaqws kai gia th dieqnh ekproswphsh ths xwras mas, to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn orizetai ws Kentrikh Syntonistikh Arxh afoy allwste epopteyei kai tis treis shmantikes armodies Arxes. Epitroph Kefalaiagoras, Epitroph Epopteias Idiwtikhs Asfalishs kai Epitroph Logistikhs Typopoihshs kai Elegxwn.

Oloi gnwrizoyme oti h antimetwpish toy jeplymatos toy xrhmatos apo egklhmatikes drasthriothtes apotelei mia megalh proklhsh gia oles tis kratikes arxes me eyrytates koinwnikes proektaseis. Egklhmata opws einai h emporeia narkwtikwn den prepei kai den mporei na ginontai apodekta. Ypoxrewsh ths Politeias apenanti stoys polites einai h katabolh kaqe prospaqeias gia thn patajh toys. Me ayto to sygxrono nomoqetiko plaisio poy apokta h xwra mas, antapokrinomaste apotelesmatika sthn anagkh ths koinwnias na prostateytei apo ta egklhmata poy sxetizontai me to jeplyma xrhmatos''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epanerxetai ena istoriko erwthma: Poios kyberna ayto ton topo; H kybernhsh h h thleorash; An qelete na to epejhghsw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi Ellhnes polites kybernoyn ton topo, oi opoioi kaqe tessera xronia stis ekloges epilegoyn thn kybernhsh toys.

SIDERHS: Mhpws me epilogh ths AGB; H apopomph Regkoyza h kat` esas h paraithsh egine thlekateyqynomenh. H apopomph Gerasimoy egine thlekateyqynomenh. Shmera o k. Mantoybalos apostasiopoihqhke apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ws aponera ths thleoptikhs kataggeliologias. Ara, kybernoyn oi polites kaqe tessera xronia;

BLAXOS: Efhmerida ebgale to qema.

SPYRAKH: Den kathggeilan sthn thleorash@

GKOYTZANHS: Kai pantws ypeballe apo thleorasews thn paraithsh toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakalesw poly na ypoballontai oi erwthseis mia-mia. Oydepote apagoreyqhke se kanenan na ypobalei thn opoia erwthsh akomh kai an periexei kai sxolio. Sas apanthsa: Oi Ellhnes polites kybernoyn. H kybernhsh kyberna. Oloi krinontai. Oi dhmosiografoi mporei na kanoyn eleyqera th doyleia toys kai na dinoyn sth dhmosiothta stoixeia poy tyxon exoyn.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na plhroforhqw an h kybernhsh zhthse thn paraithsh toy k. Mantoybaloy meta to dhmosieyma toy ``BHMATOS'' thn Paraskeyh, ean oi ejhghseis poy edwse profanws sthn kybernhsh qewrhqhkan eparkeis kai triton ean h prwtoboylia toy na anejarthtopoihqei einai mia kinhsh poy ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh h qa perimene kati parapanw apo ton boyleyth ws endeijh eyqijias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai kaqara proswpikh toy epilogh gia thn opoian o k. Mantoybalos den eixe enhmerwsei kanenan. Sebomai loipon thn apofash toy.

XIWTHS: Den moy apanthsate an oi ejhghseis poy labate apo ton k. Mantoybalo, giati profanws epikoinwnhsate mazi toy to Sabbatokyriako, qewrhqhkan eparkeis kai deyteron, an toy zhthqhke h paraithsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa. Sas anefera oti einai kaqara proswpikh toy apofash. Den yphrje kanenos eidoys epikoinwnia, den zhthqhke kamia paraithsh. Einai mia sebasth apofash. Teleia kai payla. Exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

SPYRAKH: Exw pragmatika aporia, an me bash mia dhmosia kataggelia kai me bash stoixeia oti dhladh synergaths toy boyleytikoy grafeioy toy k. Mantoybaloy, eixe sxesh synallaghs -anejarthtws ths dikaiologias poy dinei epishmws- me to paradikastiko kyklwma, an gi aythn th dhmosia apokalych den yphrje oyte epikoinwnia apo thn pleyra toy Megaroy Majimoy, oyte epikoinwnia apo thn pleyra toy epikefalhs ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, toy Genikoy Grammatea. An kapoios ton kalese ton k. Mantoybalo na ton rwthsei an pragmatika synebh ayto h oxi kai poia einai h dikh toy ekdoxh. Oxi ayta poy akoysa apo thn thleorash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto, exw hdh apanthsei. Se o,ti afora to deytero apeyqynqeite sto Geniko Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

BLAXOS: Dieykrinistika gia ton k. Mantoybalo. Qa protimoysate na eixe paraithqei kai apo to boyleytiko ajiwma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai qema kaqe boyleyth. Sebomai thn apofash toy. Den exei na kanei me to an protimw egw h oxi gia to pws qa kinhqei enas boyleyths.

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh. Edw ekproswpw thn kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Brhkate thn kryfh kamera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na ginete pio sygkekrimenos;

BLAXOS: Bghkate to Sabbato to meshmeri ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy, meta apo mia syskech poy eixate me ton Prwqypoyrgo, opoy enhmerwqhkate, profanws apo ton k. Giakoymato, lew egw, menei na dieykrinistei apo esas, oti h kyria ayth -den gnwrizw pws legetai ayth h kyria- eixe mazi ths otan phge sto ypoyrgeio toy k. Giakoymatoy gia na dwsei thn epitagh eixe kryfo magnhtofwno kai kryfh kamera. Bghkate kai eipate, oti den einai o kaqe Ellhnas poliths poy kykloforei me ena kasetofwno kai mia kryfh kamera gia na katagrafei ayton poy paei na ``ladwsei''. Ara loipon einai profanes oti eixate enhmerwsh oti ayth synelhfqh giati kapoios dhmosiografos thn ebale. Apo to reportaz fainetai oti h kyria den eixe oyte kasetofwno, oyte kryfh kamera. Ektos kai an eseis exete allh plhroforhsh, alla h astynomia den exei tetoia plhroforhsh. Ara loipon, exete paraplhroforhqei; Eipate kati parapanw apo kakh enhmerwsh poy sas egine; H brhkate to kasetofwno kai thn kryfh kamera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakaloysa na diabasete prosektika thn diatypwsh ths dhlwshs poy ekana to Sabbato kai qa deite oti toylaxiston h mish erwthsh sas den exei kamia bash se sxesh me th dhlwsh moy. Ekeino to opoio eipa kai qa to epanalabw, einai oti den kykloforei kaqe kalosynath Ellhnida noikokyra koybalwntas magnhtofwno gia na katagrafei h na hxografei tis synomilies poy kanei. Ayto eipa.

BLAXOS: Na diabasw th dhlwsh sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Th gnwrizoyme oloi.

BLAXOS: Qelw kapoies ejhghseis, giati moy lete profanws oti egw parapoiw th dhlwsh sas. Lete loipon: Prospaqhse na dwrodokhsei melos toy grafeioy kai egeiroyn para polla erwthmata sta opoia qa prepei na yparjei apanthsh apo thn anakrish, dioti qa paradexqeite kai eseis, dhladh polla erwthmata apo thn istoria ayth, oti o kaqe Ellhnas poliths den kykloforei me ena magnhtofwnaki kai mia kryfh kamera gia na katagracei ayton ton opoio paei na dwrodokhsei. Kai symplhrwnw. Sth synenteyjh toy, o k. Giakoymatos, eipe ta ejhs: Yparxoyn polla erwthmata (idia fraseologia mazi sas) kai bebaia qa ta ypoballete kai eseis. Gia emena ena einai to erwthma. H kyria ayth omologhse se sygkekrimenh ekpomph shmera, se sygkekrimeno thleoptiko staqmo oti eixe kasetofwnaki. Eixe mazi ths kamera. Kai ayth h kyria eixe apasxolhsei. Me sygxwreite, poios leei cemata; Leei cemata o k. Giakoymatos; Ayth den omologhse tetoio pragma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H drash ths sygkekrimenhs kyrias..

BLAXOS: Sto parelqon, sto 2004.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ..den arxizei oyte teleiwnei sth sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh.

BLAXOS: Emeis omws milame gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw afhste me na sas apanthsw.

BLAXOS: Dhladh qelw na pw, mhpws phgaine na dhmioyrghqei ena sthmeno skhniko gia toys dhmosiografoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton: Aporriptw meta bdelygmias ayto to opoio lete. Deyteron: Oson afora th drash ths sygkekrimenhs kyrias, ean qelete na thn estiasete mono se ekeinh thn hmera mporeite na bgalete opoia symperasmata qelete. Kaqenas omws krinetai apo th synolikh toy drash. Pws ayth h kyria kykloforoyse kai elege oti magnhtofwnei diaforoys me toys opoioys synomilei, gia paradeigma, ston OAED;

BLAXOS: Ma eseis gia ton k. Giakoymato milhsate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Synhqizoyn oi Ellhnes polites na phgainoyn kai na magnhtofwnoyn kryfa toys synomilhtes toys, se mia kratikh yphresia; Ayto loipon, opws to anefera, egeirei -kai to eipa kai to Sabbato- diafora erwthmata. Elpizw kai pisteyw oti sta erwthmata ayta qa doqei apanthsh efoson h ypoqesh einai sth Dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: Symfwnoyme. Alla eseis anaferosastan ston k. Giakoymato. Kanate proswpikh anafora sto qema Giakoymatoy. Dhladh den miloysate gia to 2004, miloysate gia tis 21 Oktwbrioy 2005. Eiste safhs. Dhladh den yparxei parermhneia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai apolytws synafh ta dyo qemata, dioti sas qymizw oti o k. Giakoymatos apo th qesh toy, exei armodiothta se zhthmata sta opoia h kyria ayth hqele na asxolhqei.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. Dhladh eseis miloysate gia to PASOK toy 2004;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Miloysa gia th sygkekrimenh drash. Otan enas poliths exei arxisei edw kai mhnes mia antiparaqesh me mia dhmosia yphresia, dhladh katagrafei, magnhtofwnei, tis synomilies poy exei me ypallhloys ths dhmosias yphresias -kai ayto kataggelqhke kai apo toys idioys toys ypallhloys, to eipe kai h idia allwste, den xreiazetai na synexizw egw peraiterw gi@ ayto- yparxei ena erwthma: Giati to kanei; Kai elpizw oti sto erwthma ayto, qa doqei apanthsh.

BLAXOS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh breqhke magnhtofwno kai kryfh kamera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti h katalhjh ths ypoqeshs qa einai sth Dikaiosynh, otan qa doqoyn oles oi apanthseis sta erwthmata.

BLAXOS: Pantws, eseis mas diabebaiwnete oti den yphrje politikh prospaqeia, den gnwrizw apo poioys, na dhmioyrghqei klima enantion sygkekrimenoy dhmosiografoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To anefera, kathgorhmatika prohgoymenws. To aperrica meta bdelygmias.

TSIODRAS: Exoyme mia seira ypoqesewn to teleytaio diasthma, jekinwntas apo ton k. Regkoyza, o opoios paraithqhke, eixame thn paraithsh toy k. Gerasimoy, shmera eixame thn paraithsh toy k. Mantoybaloy. Blepoyme ena klima, to opoio einai antiqeto me tis diakhryjeis ths kybernhshs peri neoy hqoys, peri neoy yfoys klp. Blepoyme mia seira kybernhtikwn stelexwn na enexontai se seira ypoqesewn oi opoies toys exoyn odhghsei telika, opws exei fanei se paraithsh. To klima ayto h kybernhsh me poio tropo skeftetai na to antimetwpisei; Skeftetai na labei kapoia metra prokeimenoy na mhn doyme sto mellon antistoixes periptwseis; Skeftetai na antimetwpisei fainomena ta opoia exoyn arxisei ap` o,ti fainetai na pairnoyn ektash kai na qymizoyn palioteres katastaseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na kanw dyo parathrhseis. Prwton: Se kamia periptwsh den isxyei h isopedwtikh logikh h opoia yferpei sthn erwthsh sas, oxi apo skopoy. Ws dhmosiografos kanate mia erwthsh. Yparxei mia isopedwtikh logikh. Den yparxei ayto ws antilhch sthn kybernhsh. Exoyme loipon na kanoyme me kaqe periptwsh xwrista. Den mporei na mpainoyn sto idio saki, ypoqeseis a@ kai ypoqeseis b@. Den mporei na fqasoyme sto shmeio na kathgoroyme ton yfypoyrgo o opoios prosefyge sth dikaiosynh gia na kataggeilei apopeira dwrodokias kai na milhsoyme gia skandalo ths kybernhshs. Ayto einai plhrhs diastreblwsh ths pragmatikothtas.

TSIODRAS: Den anaferetai sto sygkekrimeno, anaferetai se ola ta ypoloipa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola ayta omws, dhmioyrgoyn ena klima, opws poly orqws eipate. Deyteron: Opws eipa kai to Sabbato sth dhlwsh moy ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy exoyme me opoiadhpote basimh yponoia amesh antidrash kai drash. Exoyme ereyna kai opoy einai aparaithto yparxei prosfygh sth dikaiosynh. Kai ayto to exete dei se mia seira oligwn, periptwsewn poy eidan to teleytaio diasthma to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Sas qymizw thn ereyna, sthn opoia exw anaferqei, gia dyo ypoqeseis kommatikwn stelexwn, apo thn pleyra toy kommatos me thn parapomph malista toy enos ston Eisaggelea. Ayth einai mia teleiws diaforetikh logikh apo tis logikes toy parelqontos, opoy krybontoysan ta zhthmata katw apo to xali, ta problhmata sta syrtaria kai o tote Prwqypoyrgos dhmosiws se epistolh toy elege oti den yparxei diafqora h diaplokh sto dhmosio tomea. Ayth einai h drash ths kybernhshs. Me ayto ton tropo antidra h kybernhsh.

TSIODRAS: Mhpws prepei na zhthsete sygnwmh apo ton k. Polyzo, o opoios eixe pei oti diefqarmenoi yparxoyn se ola ta kommata; Diegrafh o anqrwpos apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Telikws apodeixqhke oti eixe dikio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O opoiosdhpote leei kati, ofeilei -kai to eixame pei- na einai sygkekrimenos. Genikws kai aoristws dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

SARANTAKOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an symfwneite me thn oysia alla kai me th diadikasia poy akoloyqhqhke sthn ypoqesh toy k. Gerasimoy. Sas dieykrinizw oti o k. Gerasimoy apepemfqh ``ston aera'' kyriolektikws. Prohgoymenws milhsate gia ereyna. Ti ereyna yphrje apo th stigmh poy egine kataggelia gia ton k. Gerasimoy mexri thn apopomph toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apepemfqh, opws gnwrizete. O yfypoyrgos ejefrase thn apoch toy, xwris na pei oti prepei na fygei, legontas oti gia logoys hqikhs tajews qa eprepe na ypobalei thn paraithsh toy.

SARANTAKOS: Einai politikos proistamenos. Den exei mia barythta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete dikio se ayto. H apofash elhfqh apo ton idio, sthn epikoinwnia poy eixe nwris ta jhmerwmata me ton armodio ypoyrgo k. Panagiwtopoylo.

SARANTAKOS: Ereyna yphrje gia thn ypoqesh toy k. Gerasimoy, estw kai meta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan o idios o ypodioikhths dhlwnei ston ypoyrgo thn proqesh toy na paraithqei, antilambaneste oti o ypoyrgos krinontas ekeinh th stigmh ta stoixeia poy exei sth diaqesh toy -h en pash periptwsei krinontas thn eyaisqhsia poy ypodeiknyei o sygkekrimenos ypodioikhths- apodexetai h den apodexetai thn paraithsh.

IWANNOY: Eipate gia ton k. Mantoybalo oti einai dikh toy h apofash kai den qelete na th sxoliasete. Omws o k. Mantoybalos eqese ena qema pleon eswkommatiko. Kathggeile stis thleoptikes kameres olo to topiko systhma toy Peiraia. Anefere kai synadelfoys toy boyleytes, eipe oti ton xtypane enocei kai toy anasxhmatismoy, alla kai enocei twn dhmotikwn eklogwn. Tiqetai loipon ena zhthma toylaxiston, ek meroys toy k. Mantoybaloy gia eswkommatika maxairwmata. Qa to antimetwpisete ayto; Einai gnwsta se sas ayta ta stoixeia; O k. Mantoybalos eipe oti ta gnwrizei o Prwqypoyrgos. Kai ti qa kanete gi` ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw ti ypainissetai o boyleyths. Efoson eipe ayto poy moy lete, den qa kanw kanena peraiterw sxolio.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa hqela na kanw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora, epeidh meiwnetai epikindynws h dynamh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, meta th diagrafh toy k. Polyzoy kai thn anejarthtopoihsh toy k. Mantoybaloy, pote skeptetai o Prwqypoyrgos na prokhryjei prowres ekloges, afoy exei xasei thn Koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia h ligo prin th xasei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa to qewroysa kakhs poiothtas xioymor kai agnoia twn maqhmatikwn.

PAPAGIANNHS: Erwthsh ekana.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy epikindynws den meiwnetai h Koinoboyleytikh dynamh ths Neas Dhmokratias, h opoia einai para poly ychlh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Epishs, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti to Sabbatokyriako ston Typo diabasame editorials ta opoia oysiastika sygkroyontan metajy megalwn epixeirhmatiwn kai ekdotwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mporeite na moy sxoliasete ta editorials ta opoia diabasame to Sabbatokyriako ston Typo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ayth thn aiqoysa, doyleia moy den einai na sxoliazw ta arqra twn efhmeridwn, kai polles fores oyte kan ta reportaz. Pote den ta sxoliazw. Apantw epi th basei toy an yparxei h oxi kapoio qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh apo th stixomyqia sas me ton k. Blaxo den katalaba akribws. Eseis bghkate to Sabbato to meshmeri, ejw apo to Majimoy kai dwsate apanthsh stis anafores mias kyrias h opoia malista elegxetai kai gia th skopimothta ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite otan lete oti ths edwsa apanthsh. Ekana ena sxolio gia th sygkekrimenh drash. Einai parapanw apo safes.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla basisthkate gia thn anafora sas ayth s` ayta poy exei pei h kyria kai oxi sth dikastikh ereyna poy brisketai se ejelijh. Orqa katalaba;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti h dikastikh ereyna qa dwsei apanthseis sta erwthmata poy eqesa to Sabbato.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxei kai mia allh ypoqesh h opoia ``sernetai'' aytes tis meres. Einai h ypoqesh toy Genikoy Grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn k. Mixaloy. Thn exei ejetasei h kybernhsh h qa perimenei ki alles apokalyceis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Mixalos exei ekdwsei anakoinwsh. Opws gnwrizete, exei prosfygei sth dikaiosynh qewrwntas oti gia deyterh ebdomada ginetai mia kinhsh eis baros ths proswpikothtas toy. Exete th dhlwsh toy. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Edw kai polla xronia to kentro baroys ths ejoysias exei metaferqei sta ekdotika sygkrothmata, me apotelesma to politiko mas systhma na exei apostaqeropoihqei. Prokeitai gia ektimhsh, apoch toy k. Kefalogiannh. Ayth einai proswpikh toy apoch h th symmerizetai kai h kybernhsh; Einai kai apoch ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebomai tis apoceis olwn twn synadelfwn, ypoyrgwn kai boyleytwn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sth xqesinh ekpomph toy synadelfoy M. Triantafyllopoyloy, dhlwse o idios oti dyo fores sas zhthse na dei ton Prwqypoyrgo gia na ton enhmerwsei gia poly sobara eqnika qemata kai oti oyte kan phre mia thlefwnikh sas apanthsh. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn polla aithmata dhmosiografwn gia synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den exoyn ikanopoihqei ola.

SPYRAKH: Exei perielqei se gnwsh toy grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kataggelia toy k. Mantoybaloy se baros toy k. Mixaloliakoy, o opoios einai yfypoyrgos ths kybernhshs kai synadelfos toy ston Peiraia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

KORAH: Prin apo ligo mas eipate oti genikws h Nea Dhmokratia kai h kybernhsh deixnoyn antanaklastika otan yparxoyn kataggelies kai h antimetwpish toys einai amesh. To erwthma moy einai, oti den qa eprepe ayta ta antanaklastika na ta epideijei prolhptika; Dhladh na elegjei toys anqrwpoys toys opoioys topoqethse se sygkekrimenes qeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti kaqe ypoqesh ejetazetai xwrista. H prospaqeia poy exei ginei apo orismenoys, to teleytaio diasthma, na antimetwpisoyn isopedwtika ta panta, einai mia prospaqeia poy odhgei se laqos symperasmata.

KORAH: Genika pisteyetai oti yparxoyn symferonta pisw apo ayto to mparaz twn kataggeliwn, apokalycewn poy aforoyn stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw se eikotologies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa zhthqei apo toys boyleytes na dhlwsoyn an exoyn sto parelqon, san dikhgoroi -epeidh oi perissoteroi boyleytes einai dikhgoroi- yposthrijei emporoys narkwtikwn, dolofonoys h alles perierges istories kai an ayto den synadei me to boyleytiko ajiwma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati kaqysterei h anakrish gia tis kataggelies poy eginan kai sth ``Liberation'', kai ston ``Monde'' enantion prwhn ypoyrgoy Amynas, toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy prwhn ypoyrgoy Asfaleias gia mizes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edoqh entolh apo ton eisaggelea prin apo dyo ebdomades. Einai qema ths dikaiosynhs, den mporei na apanthsei h kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote qa proxwrhsei; Mphke sto syrtari;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti einai qema ths dikaiosynhs. Den mporei na apanthsei h kybernhsh gia logariasmo ths dikaiosynhs. Yparxei diakrish twn ejoysiwn.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin apo ligo askhsate mia kritikh sto PASOK dioti palaiotera, opws eipate me epistolh toy yposthrize oti den yparxei diafqora sto dhmosio tomea. Eseis yposthrizete oti yparxei diafqora sto dhmosio tomea; Kai deyteron, den exw katalabei an apo thn atmosfaira poy dhmioyrgeitai, thn opoia den antimetwpizw isopedwtika, stekomai mono stis periptwseis poy yphrjan paraithseis, to klima poy dhmioyrgeitai einai eyxaristo gia thn kybernhsh; Qewrei oti den yparxei kanena zhthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero erwthma sas exw hdh apanthsei. Opws gnwrizete, genikws den kanw krish, se eyxaristo h dysaresto. Sto parelqon me exoyn rwthsei kai alloi synadelfoi sas gia tetoia qemata.

XIWTHS: Na epanadiatypwsw thn erwthsh moy. To problhma einai oti ayto to skhniko poy blepetai na diamorfwnetai eite apo ta Mesa Enhmerwshs, eite apo tis kataggelies, eite apo opoy qelete, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh h qewrei oti einai entelws memonwmena peristatika ta opoia den exoyn kapoia eidikh bash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afoy zhtate mia genikh topoqethsh, qa hqela na sas pw oti den menei kanenas apaqhs. Pisteyw oti einai memonwmena peristatika ta opoia apodidontai me isopedwtikh logikh, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, paroti exoyn yparjei poly sygkekrimenes antidraseis. Oson afora ta qemata diafqoras, yparxoyn opws gnwrizete kai ekqeseis dieqnwn organismwn poy miloyn gi` ayta ta qemata kai den einai mono zhthmata poy syzhtoyn metajy toys oi Ellhnes polites. Ara, loipon, den einai kati to opoio jafniazei. Allwste h prospaqeia einai na pataxqoyn fainomena diafqoras.

XIWTHS: Nai, alla den katalabainw giati askeite kritikh stoys prokatoxoys sas epeidh den anagnwrizan oti yparxei diafqora sto dhmosio tomea@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dioti en antiqesei me aytoys, leme oti fainomena diafqoras, opote emfanizontai kai opoy yparxoyn basimes kathgories, antimetwpizontai diaforetika apo ayth thn kybernhsh.

XIWTHS: Yparxei h den yparxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

XIWTHS: Den exw katalabei ti exete apanthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Janadiabaste thn apanthsh moy kai qa katalabete.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh anazhta diejodo sto klima poy exei diamorfwqei sthn epispeysh twn metarryqmisewn kai poia einai ta epomena bhmata s` ayth thn kateyqynsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi metarryqmiseis einai politikh epilogh, einai politikh apofash kai proxwroyn kanonika sto ryqmo toys. Ara, loipon, den yparxei anazhthsh kanenos diejodoy se adiejodo.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite to sxediasmo se ayton ton tomea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto qema twn DEKO as poyme. O Prwqypoyrgos exei anaferqei sth Qessalonikh. Pisteyw syntoma qa einai se qesh oi armodioi ypoyrgoi na proxwrhsoyn sthn ypoqesh twn DEKO kai twn ryqmisewn gia toys neoproslambanomenoys.

BLAXOS: Pisteyete oti yparxoyn sygkroyseis ekdotikwn sygkrothmatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti yphrxan pantote, oxi mono sthn Ellada, alla kai apantaxoy toy kosmoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Mia politikh erwthsh: Sto parelqon h N.D. kathggeile th diafqora kai nomizw oti politika thn apedide ston kommatismo toy PASOK, sto systhma ejoysias PASOK, sthn kommatikopoihsh toy kratoys kai sthn kratikopoihsh toy kommatos. Twra, poy apodidei ayta ta fainomena diafqoras poy yparxoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exoyn teleiwsei ola ayta to opoia yphrxan ws problhmata. H prospaqeia anatrophs nootropiwn dekaetiwn einai poly sklhrh prospaqeia kai apaitei xrono.

TABOYLARH: Ta peristatika sta opoia anaferqhkate mporei na einai memonwmena, opws eipate, einai omws diadoxika kai sigoyra dhmioyrgoyn ena klima kaqoloy eyxaristo gia thn kybernhsh. Qa hqela na moy peite ean problhmatizei ta kybernhtika epiteleia, ean exoyn analysei to fainomeno kai ean skopeyoyn na kanoyn kati. Epishs qa hqela na apanthsete se ayto poy akoygetai apo para polla kybernhtika stelexh, oti h epiqesh poy yfistatai h kybernhsh den einai politikh, oti proerxetai apo alla kentra kai ean einai etsi giati den ta kataggellete. Kai na erqw sto qema toy k. Mantoybaloy, to opoio einai xarakthristiko. O k. Mantoybalos anejarthtopoihqhke, den paraithqhke, epibarynontas thn eikona ths kybernhshs. Qa hqela na jerw ean qa klhqei o k. Mantoybalos, ean paramenei melos ths N.D., ean qa zhthqoyn ejhghseis kai ean, telos pantwn, qa lyqei olo ayto to terastio problhma poy kateqese o idios.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto teleytaio erwthma sas apanthsa: Einai bebaio pws qa yparjei kapoia syzhthsh me ton Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

TABOYLARH: Paramenei melos toy kommatos ths N.D.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kapoia antiqeth plhroforia.

SPYRAKH: Syggnwmh, k. Ekproswpe, sas rwthse gia kentra h synadelfos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean yparxoyn kentra ta opoia apergazontai senaria enantion ths kybernhshs;

TABOYLARH: Sas rwthsa ean hdh exete kanei kapoia analysh, ean sas problhmatizei, ti prokeitai na kanei h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oloi exoyn kanei analyseis. Exei kanei analysh kai h kybernhsh. Den prokeitai na sas pw tipota perissotero gi ayto.

KYRITSHS: Meleta o Prwqypoyrgos endexomeno anasxhmatismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe zhthsei mia syzhthsh, pro hmerhsias diatajews, gia thn ejwterikh politikh. Pote qa ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei oristei gia thn epomenh Deytera, stis 31 Oktwbrioy.

TSIODRAS: Anaferqhkate prin se polemo ekdotikwn sygkrothmatwn, poy yphrxe panta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos den anaferqhka. Erwthqhka ean yparxoyn kai apanthsa qetika. Apanthsa, dhladh, to aytonohto.

TSIODRAS: Apanthsate to aytonohto, alla ap oso toylaxiston mporw na katalabw thn erwthsh twn synadelfwn, afora se sygkekrimenh antiparaqesh poy yparxei metajy MME.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Ean o synadelfos sas rwta gia kati sygkekrimeno qa parei sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Rwthse gia kati geniko kai phre genikh apanthsh.

TSIODRAS: Nai. Egw na rwthsw sygkekrimena: To na askeitai kritikh ston dhmosio logo, apo opoy ki ean ekfrazetai -eite einai h kybernhsh, eite einai h ekklhsia, eite MME- ayto einai polemos ekdotikwn sygkrothmatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, kaqoloy. Antiqetws, einai ypoxrewsh twn MME. Malista se polles periptwseis yparxoyn MME, ta opoia exoyn bohqhsei sthn anaptyjh mias syzhthshs, enos problhmatismoy sthn koinwnia, gia zhthmata poy ``kaine'' toys polites, gia zhthmata poy endiaferoyn toys polites. Gia zhthmata oysias kai poiothtas dhmokratias.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ws pros th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Papoylia qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Kata th gnwmh sas kineitai mesa sta eyrytera h eyrytata syntagmatika plaisia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, alla den sxoliazw dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

BLAXOS: Osa, to teleytaio diasthma, apokalyptontai gia diafora proswpa, ta opoia sth synexeia epibebaiwnontai apo dhmosiografoys, eite toys thleoptikoy reportaz, eite toy entypoy Mesoy, qewreite oti einai polemos kata ths kybernhshs; Qewreite oti einai ``dikes'' kai oxi to anafaireto dikaiwma toy dhmosiografoy na apokalyptei kati; Dhladh, kata th dikh sas apoch, otan enas dhmosiografos leei ayto poy synebh me kapoioys poy exoyn emplakei sthn kratikh h politikh mhxanh kai meta paraitoyntai, den prepei o dhmosiografos na to apokalyptei; Prepei na to aposiwphsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O dhmosiografos ofeilei na kanei th doyleia toy kai den perimenete apo emena, bebaiws, na to pw ayto. Ofeilei bebaiws sto plaisio ths doyleias toy na einai kritikos, na einai epikritikos kai na diaqetei stoixeia gi ayta poy leei. Ayta einai zhthmata poy exoyn lyqei apo toys kanones deontologias twn dhmosiografikwn Enwsewn apantaxoy toy kosmoy. Otan, loipon, o dhmosiografos kanei th doyleia toy sto plaisio poy anefera, kanenas den exei logo na toy askhsei kritikh.

BLAXOS: Ara, den einai polemos kata ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to rhma ``apokalyptontai'' h ``apokalyptei'' kapoios h kapoioi qa moy epitrecete na balw, se merikes twn periptwsewn poy eidan teleytaia to fws ths dhmosiothtas, polla eisagwgika.

BLAXOS: To gegonos oti kapoios apokalyptei ena parelqon h mia drasthriothta kapoioy kybernhtikoy stelexoys, h opoia den einai nomimh kai sth synexeia apodeiknyetai oti einai etsi, ara paraiteitai kai paei spiti toy, den einai polemos kata ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean yparxei tetoia apokalych, nai. Exw polles epifylajeis gia to kata poso h apokalych ayth einai xwris eisagwgika. Milaw genikws gia tis apokalyceis, stis opoies anafereste. Einai, polles fores, apokalyceis me polla eisagwgika. Einai dhmioyrgia entypwsewn kai einai, opws allwste epishmanqhke ston dhmosio dialogo to Sabbatokyriako, mia prospaqeia ``thledikasthrioy'' orismenwn. Den qa anaferqw sygkekrimena se kanenan. Oi polites matia exoyn kai blepoyn kai aytia kai akoyn.

BLAXOS: Ti ennoeite ``thledikasthrioy'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennow na kathgoroyntai kapoioi anqrwpoi akrita kai xwris stoixeia. Na dhmioyrgeitai prospaqeia entypwsewn. Sas eipa to paradeigma toy yfypoyrgoy poy kathggeile apopeira dwrodokias. Sxedon eyreqh kathgoroymenos apo orismenoys giati kathggelle dwrodokia. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti ayto den entassetai sto plaisio ths deontologias poy yphretoyn oi dhmosiografoi, sthn opoia anaferqhka prohgoymenws.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, dhmioyrgeite thn entypwsh kai oysiastika rixnete momfh sto thleoptiko reportaz...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanw kriseis, den epirriptw momfh se kanenan. Eipa oti o kaqe dhmosiografos den perimenei apo emena na toy pw pws qa kanei th doyleia toy. O dhmosiografos threi toys kanones deontologias, toys opoioys problepoyn oi Enwseis dhmosiografwn se olo ton kosmo. Opws gnwrizete -me exete rwthsei kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada- oydepote h kybernhsh ekrine, oyte qa krinei dhmosiografoys. Ekeina ta opoia anaferw einai gegonota, einai fainomena, einai zhthmata poy apasxoloyn to dhmosio bio. O kaqenas dhmosiografos kanei th doyleia toy kai orqws. Alimono, o dhmosiografos den perimenei thn adeia kanenos gia na kanei th doyleia. Einai eleyqeros -kai prepei na einai eleyqeros- kai anejarthtos. Arkei na threi aytoys toys kanones. Ma kai ayta, omws -gia na mhn dhmioyrgoyntai parermhneies- den eimai egw armodios na krinw. Yparxoyn oi Enwseis twn dhmosiografwn poy krinoyn.

BLAXOS: Eipate gia ``thledikh''. Kai se o,ti afora ton k. Giakoymato, giati se ayton anafereste, kaneis den eipe oti kakws epraje poy kalese ton eisaggelea kai thn astynomia. To problhma me ton k. Giakoymato htan oti prospaqhse na dhmioyrghsei thn entypwsh pws kapoios sygkekrimenos dhmosiografos, ton opoia sth synexeia ton elege kai malista to anefere kai sth synenteyjh gia ton k. Triantafyllopoylo, oti eixe steilei thn kyria me kryfh kamera. Ekei einai to mempto ths istorias. Kai prin apo ligo eseis o idios eipate oti meta bdelygmias antikroyete opoiadhpote prospaqeia h fhmh h o,ti allo qelete, na dhmioyrghqei klima se baros enos sygkekrimenoy dhmosiografoy. Ayto ti einai; Ayth einai politikh dikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paramenw sthn apoch moy. Ayta poy lete den eipwqhkan pote apo ton yfypoyrgo k. Giakoymato.

BLAXOS: Ara, h ``thledikh'' poy afora;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayta poy lete den eipwqhkan apo ton k. Giakoymato. Ara, loipon, o k. Giakoymatos oydepote eipe h afhse yponoies enantion kanenos dhmosiografoy.

BLAXOS: Ma, sas to diabasa k. Ekproswpe, qelete na sas to janadiabasw; Apo synenteyjh toy kyrioy@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy to diabasate, to akoysa, akoyw kala, gnwrizw ellhnika. Sas lew kai pali oti oydepote kateferqh enantion kanenos dhmosiografoy. O k. Giakoymatos, opws oloi, sebetai th leitoyrgia toy dhmosiografikoy epaggelmatos.

GKOYTZANHS: Wstoso, k. Ekproswpe, yparxei se ejelijh mia ereyna, astynomikh kai meta dikastikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gi ayto akribws kai eipa oti qa perimenoyme na doqoyn apanthseis sta erwthmata ayta.

GKOYTZANHS: Synhqws tis sebetai h kybernhsh kai lete oti @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantote, oxi synhqws. Kai shmera h dhlwsh poy ekana htan oti h kybernhsh perimenei apanthseis sta erwthmata poy exoyn teqei apo th dikastikh ereyna.

GKOYTZANHS: Topoqethqhkate, omws, prin yparjoyn ta porismata ths dikastikhs ereynas kai eseis kai o k. Giakoymatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poy topoqethqhka; Den katalabainw. Gia peite moy poy topoqethqhka;

GKOYTZANHS: Milhsate gia magnhtofwno kai gia kamera ths kyrias, xwris na yparxei ayto apo th dikastikh ereyna.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta eipe h idia stis thleoraseis.

GKOYTZANHS: H idia mporei na leei o,ti qelei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakalesw na exete plhrh enhmerwsh kai meta na kanete opoiodhpote sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean pistecoyme ayto poy eipe h kyria oti kykloforoyse me magnhtofwno, giati na mhn pistecoyme oti eixe kanei kai synennohsh me ton dieyqynth gia na parei ta xrhmata. @H qa dwsoyme bash synolika sthn kyria h na mhn dwsoyme kaqoloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean exete opoiodhpote stoixeio, parakalw poly na to dwsete sth dikaiosynh. Yparxei ereyna se ejelijh.

GKOYTZANHS: Eseis kanate mian epilogh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai na mhn dhmioyrgeite eykola entypwseis se ayth thn aiqoysa.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, den qelw na dhmioyrghsw entypwseis. Eseis kanate mian epilogh. Phrate ena kommati poy eipe h kyria kai qewreite anypostata ta ypoloipa. Ayto eipa egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw eipa oti kamia kalosynath noikokyra sthn Ellada den kykloforei me magnhtofwno sthn tseph gia na hxografei ayton me ton opoio synomilei. Ayto eipa kai nomizw oti osoi me akoyn twra apodexontai apolytws ayto poy lew.

BLAXOS: Mhpws se ayth th dhlwsh sas paresyre kai o k. Giakoymatos; Dhladh, sas eipe -as poyme- oti me aformh ti ekane to 2004, to piqano einai kai twra na exei to idio pragma kai sas paresyre kai sas ypoxrewse me h xwris eisagwgika @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa kai prin. Parakalw diabaste th dhlwsh moy.

BLAXOS: Na thn diabasw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na thn diabasete prosektika. Anaferqhka se enan anqrwpo, o opoios profanws -den jerw ti exei sto myalo toy- apo kapoioy eidoys sxedio poy synelabe, arxise na hxografei pro kairoy ypallhloys toy OAED, me toys opoioys erxotan se epafh. Sth synexeia, o idios aytos anqrwpos apopeiratai na dwrodokhsei kapoion ths kratikhs mhxanhs. Ayta, loipon, ta dyo stoixeia ta anefera kai ta anedeija. Ean syndeontai h ean einai asyndeta metajy toys, qa to apofasisei h dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: Xqes, h ERT -den to eida egw, moy to eipane- paroysiase th dhlwsh Papoylia gia nea hqh, enw eixe erwthqei gi ayta poy symbainoyn ston politiko xwro, h ERT to paroysiase oti o k. Papoylias anaferotan stoys dhmosiografoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean eipwqhke ayto poy lete, alla se kaqe periptwsh isxyei h dhlwsh poy ekana prin apo ligh wra kai exw epanalabei polles fores sth diarkeia ths qhteias moy sthn politikh: Den krinw dhmosiografoys.

BLAXOS: O k. Karaogloy, boyleyths Qessalonikhs, eipe oti einai epikefalhs kai allwn boyleytwn, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyn tis ejetastikes epitropes kai osoi kathgoroyntai apo stelexh toy PASOK me skandala sto parelqon na logodothsoyn. Einai proswpikh, atomikh energeia h exei thn kalych ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh. Qa thn diabasw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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