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Aqhna, 5 Oktwbrioy 2005

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Qa hqela na kanw treis anakoinwseis:

H apofash ths 3hs Oktwbrioy ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, sto Loyjemboyrgo, na jekinhsoyn oi entajiakes diapragmateyseis ths Toyrkias, einai mia apofash poy apotelei anamfisbhthta shmantikh ejelijh gia thn Eyrwph, gia thn Toyrkia, alla kyriws gia thn perioxh mas kai bebaiws gia tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai to Kypriako.

H dekaeths kai pleon diadikasia prosarmoghs ths Toyrkias se sygkekrimenoys oroys, kanones kai proapaitoymena, diamorfwnei ena neo plaisio gia thn apo edw kai pera poreia twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn.

H kybernhsh, meta apo makra, ejairetika synqeth kai poly dyskolh diapragmateysh, exei petyxei th symperilhch twn ellhnikwn epidiwjewn se nomika desmeytika keimena ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ta opoia kaqorizoyn to plaisio kai tis basikes kateyqynseis ayths ths neas periodoy poy jekina. H eyrwpaikh antidhlwsh ths 21hs Septembrioy kai to diapragmateytiko plaisio apoteloyn adiaceysth epibebaiwsh ths epityxias ths strathgikhs kai twn xeirismwn poy eginan. Gia prwth fora, oxi ws aplh politikh protroph, alla ws ypoxrewsh -krithrio kai proapaitoymeno, dhladh- h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh zhtaei apo thn Toyrkia na proxwrhsei sth beltiwsh twn dimerwn sxesewn ths me thn Ellada, me ypoxrewsh ton sebasmo twn sxesewn kalh geitonias me o,ti ayth h desmeysh perilambanei. Taytoxronws, gia prwth fora, diamorfwnontai safeis proypoqeseis toso gia thn de facto, oso kai gia thn de jure anagnwrish ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias apo thn Toyrkia, amesws meta thn enarjh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn. Diamorfwnetai etsi ena isxyrotato kinhtro kai piesh pros thn Toyrkia na epidiwkei thn epiteyjh lyshs toy Kypriakoy. Epishs, sta keimena ayta yparxei eidikh frontida, me desmeytikoys oroys, gia thn ypoxrewsh ths Toyrkias na antimetwpisei ta zhthmata toy Oikoymenikoy Patriarxeioy, alla kai twn Ellhnwn ths Kwnstantinoypolhs, ths Imbroy kai ths Tenedoy. H Ellada, se mia asfyktikh diadikasia elegxoy ths Toyrkias, qa symmetexei mazi me ta alla krath-melh ws aysthros kriths se mia diadikasia 35 stadiwn-kefalaiwn, opoy oi apofaseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs lambanontai me omofwnia olwn twn kratwn-melwn. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta, ayth einai istorikh stigmh. Ayth einai h afethria gia ena mellon staqerothtas kai eirhnhs, opws to epiqymei o ellhnikos laos. Se aytes tis wres, dystyxws epixeireitai mia mizerh kai teleiws abasimh mikropolitikh kritikh poy estiazetai se mia frash mias mh desmeytikhs nomika dhlwshs, h opoia anaferetai sto apolytws aytonohto, dhladh oti oi dieqneis organismoi lambanoyn aytonoma tis apofaseis toys. Einai mia dhlwsh poy den ephreazei kata keraia ta poly qetika gia th xwra mas kai thn Kypro apotelesmata toy Loyjemboyrgoy.

Parakalesa, opws exw kanei kai alles fores sto parelqon, ton ekproswpo toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsako na einai mazi mas, wste na apanthsei se erwthseis sas gia ta qemata ayta.

H deyterh dhlwsh afora ton radiostaqmo Flash. H kybernhsh me lyph ths, alla ki egw proswpika, plhroforhqhkame thn anakoinwsh gia to kleisimo enos apo toys palaioteroys radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Aqhnas, toy Flash 96. Otan kleinei ena Meso Enhmerwshs, h Dhmokratia mas ftwxainei. Oson afora to kaqara praktiko meros twn zhthmatwn poy egeirontai meta apo ayth thn anakoinwsh, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti epikoinwnhsa hdh apo xqes me to ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs.

O armodios yfypoyrgos k. Giakoymatos exei apeyqynei anoixth prosklhsh stoys ergazomenoys sto Flash gia diaboyleyseis, wste me ta katallhla programmata na enisxyqoyn oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi xqes h ews shmera ergazontai ston Flash. Shmera to prwi epikoinwnhsa me ton Proedro toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Radiothleorashs k. Laskaridh kai syzhthsa mazi toy to qema. To Eqniko Symboylio, opws gnwrizete, einai Anejarthth Arxh, katoxyrwmenh apo to Syntagma. O Proedros toy Symboylioy eixe thn kalosynh na me enhmerwsei oti exei hdh sygkalesei thn olomeleia toy Symboylioy kai exei klhqei shmera kai o idiokthths toy Flash, prokeimenoy na enhmerwsei gia ta symbainonta. Telos, epikoinwnhsa me ton ypoyrgo Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn. O armodios yfypoyrgos k. Neratzhs einai se gnwsh toy qematos. Toy zhthsa aplws na ypomnhsei sthn anejarthth epishs Epitroph Thlepikoinwniwn kai Taxydromeiwn oti h syxnothta, symfwna me ton nomo, apotelei perioysia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Efoson o radiostaqmos telikws kleisei kai den pwlhqei h epixeirhsh, tote h syxnothta epistrefetai sto dhmosio kai paramenei adiaqeth ews otoy prokycei nea adeiodothsh radiofwnikwn staqmwn.

Ayrio, stis 09:30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton yfypoyrgo Politismoy Petro Tatoylh. Stis 13:00, qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Epitropo k. Almoynia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Twra poy o Almoynia den dexetai thn titlopoihsh, ti qa kanete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den dhlwse kati tetoio. Parakalw na diabasete th dhlwsh toy k. Almoynia.

GKOYTZANHS: Egw qa rwthsw kati gia ton Flash. O feromenos ws idiokthths toy Flash, o k. Poylopoylos anakoinwse oti kleinei o staqmos kai etsi apodeixqhke oti tis prohgoymenes meres eixe kai sygkekrimenes protaseis, ara protima na plhrwsei osa xreiazetai, para na exei ofelos apo kapoioys oi opoioi qa thn agorasoyn. Apo to prwi ginetai mia dhmosia syzhthsh ston Flash, sthn opoia exoyn parembei kai politikoi kai dhmosiografoi. Sas metaferw ayto poy apotelei koinh aisqhsh kai to eipe kai epwnyma enas boyleyths, o k. Androylakhs oti o epixeirhmatias, o pragmatikos epixeirhmatias, o k. Kokkalhs, ekane ena dwro sthn kybernhsh, to kleisimo toy staqmoy, prokeimenoy na sighsei mia kritikh antipoliteytikh fwnh prokeimenoy na mporesei na synexisei me tis epixeirhmatikes politikes toy synallages me thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ayto poy sas lew einai h koinh aisqhsh poy elexqh kai epwnymws apo enan boyleyth. Ean exete na peite kati gi` ayto kai bebaiws pws niwqete eseis ws ekproswpos kai prwhn dhmosiografos poy epi twn hmerwn sas kleinei enas dynamei biwsimos enhmerwtikos staqmos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To pws niwqw to dhlwsa apo thn arxh, prin erwthqw. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, lypoymai poy enas boyleyths toy Koinoboylioy kanei mia tetoia dhlwsh, efoson moy metaferete akribws ta legomena toy. Lypoymai pragmatika.

BLAXOS: Egw den katalabainw giati pairnete thlefwno toys alloys Ypoyrgoys, enw sta xeria sas einai, twra, enw leitoyrgei o staqmos na kanete diagwnismo gia neo idiokthsiako kaqestws. Yparxoyn ayth th stigmh endiaferomenoi. Exoyn bgei kai lene oti qeloyn na agorasoyn to staqmo, efoson den klhronomhsoyn mazi kai ta xreh. O k. Poylopoylos einai profanes oti den einai o idiokthths. Einai profanestato. Se 7 mhnes phre to staqmo kai apofasise oti den toy einai oikonomika dynato na ton synexisei. Einai kai qema pia eisaggelea gia ton k. Poylopoylo. Alla eseis nomizw oti prepei na lysete to problhma ayto shmera, ektos kai an krybetai kati allo poy den jeroyme pisw apo ayth thn istoria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai profanes giati den katalabainete, dioti agnoeite safws to nomo. Ekana hdh mia anafora.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, o nomos problepei na menoyn anergoi sto dromo anqrwpoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, apo th Synqhkh ths Rwmhs, gia na doyme thn istoria apo palia@

BLAXOS: Mh moy kanete istoria. Praktika. Edw qa bgoyn anergoi sto dromo. Qa mporoyse na hsaste ki eseis. Hsastan mexri xqes dhmosiografos. Mporeite shmera ws politikos na leitoyrghsete praktika kai na lysete to problhma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na akoysete thn apanthsh; Sas parakalw poly na gnwrizete toys nomoys. Einai ypoxrewsh kaqe Ellhna polith. Ean den gnwrizete, toylaxiston rwthste ti problepei o nomos. Para tayta kai prin me rwthsete, frontisa na sas pw ti problepei o nomos. O n. 2328/95 problepei oti enas staqmos mporei na pwlhqei, mporei na metabibastei. Epishs problepetai apo toys nomoys kai apo to Syntagma oti to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs krinei ean prepei na ginei metabibash epi th basei twn stoixeiwn poy proskomizei o endiaferomenos idiokthths. Ayto einai to yp` ariqmon ena shmeio. To yp` ariqmon dyo: H syxnothta apotelei dhmosio agaqo. Den pwleitai h syxnothta, h adeia metabibazetai. Ean loipon enas staqmos den pwlhqei ws epixeirhsh kapoy alloy kai kleisei, ayto poy menei einai h syxnothta. H syxnothta den mporei na pwlhqei se kanenan. Opoios ypoyrgos kai na qelei na to kanei ayto, to apagoreyei o nomos. Kai orqotata to apagoreyei o nomos, dioti sto parelqon eidame polles periptwseis diaqeshs syxnothtwn me diadikasies poy aptontan kaqara proswpikwn epilogwn. An loipon ayto poy proteinete einai proswpikh epilogh enos ypoyrgoy gia to poios qa exei ena radiofwniko h ena thleoptiko staqmo, sas lew oti einai teleiws diaforetikh kai h filosofia toy nomoy kai h dikh moy.

BLAXOS: Egw milaw gia diagwnismo, etsi; Na prokhryjete diagwnismo@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, alla oi diagwnismoi prokhryssontai me sygkekrimenoys tropoys. Den prokhryssontai gia mia syxnothta.

BLAXOS: Jekinhste th diadikasia@

ROYSOPOYLOS: An qelete mporw na sas dwsw tis leptomereies. Yparxei diadikasia. Ftasame sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias gia staqmoys, oi opoioi prosefygan gia thn prohgoymenh adeiodothsh. Eixame anatroph toy kaqestwtos, eixame diadikasia nomoqethshs sth Boylh stis arxes toy xronoy, yparxei h diadikasia epektashs toy xronikoy plaisioy opoy qa ginei h nea prokhryjh k.o.k. Einai mia seira apo zhthmata poy syndeontai metajy toys. Antilambanomai thn agwnia sas kai th sebomai kai ymwn twn dhmosiografwn kai bebaiws twn ypoloipwn ergazomenwn. Giati einai polloi oi ergazomenoi se ena radiofwniko staqmo kai diaforetikwn eidikothtwn. Den einai mono dhmosiografoi. Thn antilambanomai kai th sebomai. Omws den mporei kapoios na paranomhsei. Den mporei kapoios na parabiasei toys nomoys.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me aformh to kleisimo toy radiofwnikoy staqmoy Flash h kybernhsh ths didetai h eykairia kata th gnwmh moy, na parei mia prwtoboylia, kai eseis ws prwhn dhmosiografos kai shmera ws politikos proistamenos toy Typoy na breite apo koinoy me ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs mia lysh gia to idiokthsiako kaqestws kai ti akribws ginetai sta MME apo tis efhmerides mexri ta radiofwna kai tis thleoraseis. Na jekaqarisei to topio dioti edw fainetai kaqara oti kai sto qema toy Flash kai twn allwn MME kai twn efhmeridwn den einai jekaqaro to topio, poioi einai oi idiokthtes, poioi krybontai pisw kai pws akribws ejelissetai apo dw kai pera h katastash ston ellhniko Typo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H lysh einai synolikh. Den mporei na einai apospasmatikh. Opws eixa thn eykairia kai se allh periptwsh na sas pw, h kybernhsh jekinhse me to basiko metoxo. Ews otoy lyqei h ypoqesh toy basikoy metoxoy me thn Commission, den qa ginei to epomeno bhma poy einai ta zhthmata sygkentrwshs kai shmainei ti pososto sygkentrwshs Meswn mporei na exei enas epixeirhmatias sta xeria toy. To epomeno bhma to opoio mporei na ginetai parallhla me ayto poy syzhtame twra, einai h prokhryjh adeiodothsewn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h monh adeiodothsh poy egine apo to 1987, poy arxisan na leitoyrgoyn oi radiofwnikoi staqmoi kai apo to 1989 oi thleoptikoi staqmoi -enw exoyn parelqei sxedon 20 xronia- aforoyse ton radiofwniko staqmo ths Aqhnas. Einai ena arketa polyploko problhma, to opoio kaleitai ayth h kybernhsh na lysei. Kanoyme kaqe prospaqeia gia na proxwrhsoyme me oso pio grhgora bhmata ginetai, wste na to lysoyme. To topio sth radiofwnia kai sthn thleorash sthn Ellada -to exw pei polles fores kai sth Boylh kai s@ ayth thn aiqoysa- einai anarxo. Xreiazetai loipon prospaqeia gia na lyqei. Otan oloklhrwqei to prwto bhma, qa proxwrhsoyme sto deytero kai otan oloklhrwqei to deytero, sto trito. Monon etsi mporei na ginei sobarh doyleia. Oxi apospasmatika.

TSIODRAS: Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Otan o k. Poylopoylos emfanisthke ws agorasths toy flash me 100.000 eyrw, giati ayto htan to timhma, den anhsyxhse thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti emfanizetai m@ ena toso xamhlo timhma kai oti kati allo krybetai apo pisw kai oti mporei na odhghqoyme stis shmerines ejelijeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na sas diakocw. Qa perimena meta apo thn epishmansh poy ekana sthn arxh kai me aformh thn erwthsh toy k. Blaxoy, na exete katanohsei to qema. Einai zhthma ths anejarthths Arxhs poy legetai Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs. Mias Arxhs katoxyrwmenhs apo to Syntagma na egkrinei thn metabibash. Ayto einai ena zhthma para poly shmantiko, poy parakalw na to katanohsete.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas, gi` ayth thn apofash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw apofash toy ESR. To ESR einai anejarthth Arxh.

TSIODRAS: Den einai yperanw kritikhs h anejarthth arxh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Shmera kaleitai sto ESR o idiokthths toy staqmoy prokeimenoy na dwsei ejhghseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na rwthsw kati se sxesh me to nomo poy epikalesthkate; Pragmatika, o nomos yparxei. Kamia antirrhsh. Wstoso, me ayton to nomo o k. Poylopoylos agorase to staqmo enanti 100.000 eyrw kai apo ton prwto mhna den eixe na plhrwsei toys ergazomenoys. Kai meta apo ena xrono poy ton exei sth diaqesh toy, ton kleinei adiaforwntas gia tis protaseis agoras toy staqmoy, sigwntas mia fwnh sta ertziana. Apodeiknyetai oti poly apla o nomos den fernei apotelesmata. Den sas problhmatizei ayto; Kalypteste pisw apo to typiko toy nomoy kai toy ESR ws anejarthth dioikhtikh arxh kai apallasseste twn eyqynwn sas; Ayto einai to erwthma

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai ti ennoeite.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa mporoysate na allajete to nomo kai na einai pio apotelesmatikos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite otan lete oti kalyptomai pisw apo to typiko toy nomoy; Moy proteinete na paranomhsw; Giati an ayto proteinete, tote qa sas pw oti egw den qa to kanw. Eipa polles fores kai epanelaba kai prin apo tria lepta -aporw giati den me akoysate- oti yparxei mia diadikasia se ejelijh. H N.D. apo tote poy anelabe thn kybernhsh, milhse me safhneia gia ta epomena bhmata sto qema toy topioy, to opoio exw xarakthrisei, polles fores, anarxo. Sas to epanelaba kai shmera. Teleiwnontas to prwto qema, poy einai o basikos metoxos, proxwraei sto zhthma ths sygkentrwshs. Gnwrizontas prwta to idiokthsiako kaqestws me to basiko metoxo, proxwraei kapoios sto zhthma ths sygkentrwshs, dhladh posa MME dikaioytai enas epixeirhmatias na exei sta xeria toy. Ayto einai to deytero bhma. To trito bhma, einai oi adeiodothseis. To tetarto bhma einai h chfiakh thleorash sthn opoia eimaste h teleytaia xwra poy den exei kanei oyte dokimastikh ekpomph. Brhkame ena topio entelws anarxo. Den mporei na ginoyn apospasmatika kapoioi nomoi. An den exei oloklhrwqei to prwto bhma kai pame sto deytero, einai bebaio oti qa nomoqethsoyme laqos. Ayto loipon sas lew. Prwtos egw milhsa gia toys nomoys poy eginan epi prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn gia ta qemata twn MME, eidika twn hlektronikwn MME. Prwth h kybernhsh eipe, oti ayta prepei na allajoyn kai na dhmioyrghqei ena allo topio. Ayto loipon ginetai. Kai sas eipa oti otan teleiwsei h ypoqesh toy basikoy metoxoy me thn Commission, qa proxwrhsoyme kai sta epomena bhmata.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws, epeidh moy eipate na sas pw, an sas zhtw na paranomhsete, fysika kai oxi. Ayto poy sas zhthsa kai einai politiko to erwthma, einai oti efoson diapistwnete oti yparxei enas kakos kai anapotelesmatikos nomos, giati den ton allazete; Se ayto exete thn politikh eyqynh. To deytero einai oti ean h kybernhsh sas@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma einai toso dyskolo na to katanohsete; Sas lew oti ean den jekinhseis apo to prwto bhma kai pas sto trito, ayto poy qa ftiajeis qa einai ena saqro oikodomhma. Ayto sas lew. An gia paradeigma, epitrapei shmera na mpei opoiosdhpote qelei sthn chfiakh platforma, sthn chfiakh thleorash, thn epigeia chfiakh, tote qa exoyme epanalhch dyo pragmatwn. Prepei na yparxei prohgoymenws qesmiko plaisio. Xreiazetai loipon prwta katoxyrwsh me qesmiko plaisio kai en synexeia bhma pros bhma lysh toy shmerinoy problhmatos. Sas to exw perigracei kai allh fora kai to exw pei kai sth Boylh. Einai san na prospaqei kapoios poleodomos, na mpei sthn Kycelh kai na thn kanei pio anqrwpinh synoikia. Einai mia apo tis pio epibarhmenes synoikies ths Elladas. Xreiazetai loipon para poly prosoxh. Xreiazetai poly prospaqeia kapoios gia na lysei ena polyploko problhma. Sas ejhghsa ola ta bhmata.

GKOYTZANHS: En tw metajy, omws, xanontai qeseis ergasias kai to qema toy basikoy metoxoy den einai eyqynh twn dhmosiografwn poy xanoyn th doyleia toys, oyte ths koinwnias. Einai eyqynh ths kybernhshs poy den to meqodeyse apo thn arxh swsta me thn E.E.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan ginete kybernhsh, kante to kalytero.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete 18 mhnes sthn ejoysia. Sto diasthma ayto, den einai mono to problhma poy antimetwpizei o Flash, den qa sas qymisw thn istoria toy Planet opoy blepoyme ena staqmo na exei jekinhsei na leitoyrgei enw ekkremoyn se baros toy katadikastikes apofaseis. Exoyme kai ena allo qema me ta eidhseografika radiofwna kai to jerete para poly kala, oti ta deltia toys, antigrafontai apo ta moysika kai apospoyn etsi pelates. Se kamia ap` aytes tis kinhseis den exw dei parembash ths kybernhshs. Sto symperasma sto opoio katalhgw egw, kai epeidh mas lete gia th diadikasia me to basiko metoxo, th sygkentrwsh, thn adeiodothsh klp, qa fqasoyme to 2008; Qa ta exoyme kleisei ola ta eidhseografika radiofwna, mexri na apofasisete na nomoqethsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, epeidh xrhsimopoihsate prwto plhqyntiko: Den gnwrizw, an einai proqesh dikh sas na kleisoyn ta radiofwna. Se kamia periptwsh den einai proqesh dikh moy. Deyteron, parakalw na moy peite, pote egine kataggelia gi` ayto to opoio anaferete kai qa sas pw poies einai oi energeies poy ekana. Anaferate mia sygkekrimenh kataggelia. Sas parakalw para poly, efoson h erwthsh sas einai poly sygkekrimenh na moy peite: Kathggelqh tote sto grafeio sas, ayto kai eseis den kanate kati. Dioti mia aoristh kataggelia dhmioyrgei entypwseis. An yparxei kataggelia oti egw ekleisa ta matia h ta aytia se sygkekrimenh kataggelia, oti kapoioi kleboyn eidhseis apo alla radiofwna kai tis metadidoyn se moysika radiofwna, tote bebaiws@

GALIATSATOS: Thn ekane h dieyqyntria toy Flash h k. Marianna Pyrgiwth, shmera ston aera apo th syxnothta toy Flash kai h opoia yposthrije oti exei epikoinwnhsei me oloys kai exei anaferei ayto to problhma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton: Me emena den exei epikoinwnhsei kanenas, gia na moy pei kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: Den exei ginei ayto qema syzhthshs, kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Deyteron: Lete oti edw kai 18 mhnes ginetai antigrafh twn eidhsewn kai oti egine shmera ayth h kataggelia. Ean ayth h kataggelia egine -den qa anaferqw se proswpa ean ekanan kataggelia kai malista dieyqynths h prwhn dieyqynths, giati h synadelfos sas, poy epikalesthkate, einai dieyqyntria h htan dieyqyntria toy staqmoy- kai den egine sta armodia organa, lypamai.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na moy peite, poios einai o xronikos orizontas ylopoihshs olwn aytwn twn nomoqethmatwn gia ta bhmata poy anaferate. Basikos metoxos, sygkentrwsh kai oytw kaqejhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To syntomotero dynato, apo th stigmh poy qa teleiwsei to prwto qema poy sas anefera.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den mporeite na prosdiorisete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. To syntomotero dynato apo th stigmh poy qa teleiwsei to prwto qema.

BAGIANOS: Hqela na rwthsw epeidh exoyn jekinhsei hdh oi diadikasies ejygianshs h ekkaqarishs h opws to xarakthrizoyn, se dyo akomh eidhseografika radiofwna, oti twra poy exei kai dioikhtiko symboylio h ESHEA, qa prepei na yparxei mia kinhsh, mia prwtoboylia apo esas na mhn exoyme antistoixa apotelesmata kai sta dyo ayta radiofwna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw pws syndeontai ta men me ta de. Eixa kalh synergasia me to prohgoymeno D.S. ths ESHEA kai pisteyw oti qa exw kai kalh synergasia me to yfistameno D.S. gia diafora tetoia zhthmata. Allwste opws sas eipa, prin apo liges hmeres, eixame mia synanthsh to kalokairi gia qemata radiofwnikwn staqmwn, efhmeridwn, problhmata ergazomenwn dhmosiografwn kai problhmata ergazomenwn poy den einai dhmosiografoi.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti egine xqes to brady me thn ERT kai th synenteyjh toy k. Giwtopoyloy; Doqhke entolh na kopei, opws leei, nomizw h ``ELEYQEROTYPIA''; Yphrje antidrash apo thn pleyra toy k. Boylgarakh oti an emfanistei ayth h synenteyjh qa paraithqei apo ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oydolws eneplakh h kybernhsh kai einai pantelws ceydes ayto to opoio metaferete. Den gnwrizw poios to eipe. H dioikhsh ths ERT exei ekdwsei anakoinwsh. Efoson yparxoyn parabiaseis nomwn, prepei na ginetai sebasth ayth h apofash.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh diabasa thn anakoinwsh ths ERT, leei oti mporei na empleke h ERT, h telos pantwn na eixe eyqynes, na thn kathgoroysan ktl.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomikes eyqynes panta.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, nomikes. Wstoso den dinei apanthsh h nomikh ths yphresia, se poia shmeia ths synenteyjhs mporei na proekyptan tetoioy eidoys poinikes eyqynes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios, oti ean erwthqei, qa dwsei.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi. Exei erwthqei kai den exei dwsei. Opote eseis san proistamenos Ypoyrgos, mporeite na th rwthsete toylaxiston gia na maqoyme kai emeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti ean h nomikh yphresia h h dioikhsh ths ERT erwthqei sygkekrimena, qa dwsei sygkekrimenh apanthsh.

KORAH: Egw qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean hsastan eseis o dhmosiografos poy eixe kanei th sygkekrimenh synenteyjh kai eixe th sygkekrimenh antidrash apo thn kratikh thleorash, poies qa htan oi energeies stis opoies qa probainate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hmoyn eikosi xronia dhmosiografos. Edw kai pente xronia den eimai pia.

BLAXOS: Dhladh qelete na mas peite oti eseis o politikos proistamenos ths ERT kai to D.S. ths ERT den sas enhmerwse oti skeptomaste na kanoyme ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas pw ayto poy polles fores exw epanalabei kai poy exei apodeixqei kai sthn prajh. Den eimai ths logikhs, isws epeidh kai hmoyn eikosi xronia dhmosiografos, oti prepei o politika ypeyqynos Ypoyrgos gia th dhmosia thleorash na parembainei se otidhpote. Prepei na afhsoyme th dhmosia thleorash, th dhmosia radiofwnia, opws akribws symbainei kai me ta idiwtika MME, eite einai efhmerides, eite einai radiofwna, eite einai thleoraseis, na leitoyrghsoyn apo mona toys me dhmosiografika krithria.

BLAXOS: Den eipa gia parembash, eipa gia enhmerwsh. Ayqairetei h dioikhsh ths ERT;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dioikhsh ths ERT den einai ypoxrewmenh na me enhmerwnei gia tetoies kinhseis.

BLAXOS: Dhladh ayqairetei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai ypoxrewmenh. Ean den einai ypoxrewmenh, pws ayqairetei;

TSIODRAS: Diabasate th synenteyjh; Th dhmosieyei shmera h ``ELEYQEROTYPIA''. Egw th diabasa. Den eida kapoio shmeio to opoio na dhmioyrghqei kapoia problhmata h kapoies periplokes tetoies poy lete nomikes. Den jerw an th diabasate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Den exei shmasia, an th diabasa, h poia einai h gnwmh moy.

TSIODRAS: Oyte protrepei se biaies prajeis, oyte tipota.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton: Den exei kamia shmasia poia einai h dikh moy gnwmh epi ths oysias ths synenteyjews. Deyteron: Se o,ti afora to keimeno ths synenteyjews, ejedoqh anakoinwsh apo thn ERT, sthn opoia kai anaferqhka. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: H eyaisqhsia toy D.S. ths ERT kai twn ypeyqynwn, gia th synenteyjh toy k. Giwtopoyloy, den eida omws na yparxei analogh eyaisqhsia gia mia ekpomph h opoia ypeishlqe sta mh en dhmw enos ekproswpoy toy Koinoboylioy prosfata kai anaferomai sthn ekpomph ths k. Droyza, opoy yphrje mia anafora sta mh en dhmw enos boyleyth, sta proswpika enos boyleyth kai den eida na ekdidetai mia alfa anakoinwsh kai na katadikazei ayth thn istoria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, prepei na blepete perissotero ERT.

PALAIOLOGOS: Blepw arketa, alla den nomizw na ofeiletai sto an blepw h oxi. Nomizw@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws den ofeiletai; Afoy lete oti den eidate. Dioti kai anakoinwsh ejedoqh kai egw ekana politikh dhlwsh s@ ayth thn aiqoysa. Ara loipon ontws den eidate, giati den blepete. Otan blepete kai deite oti den yparxei tote parakalw na to anaferete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia th dikh sas anakoinwsh eimai enhmeros bebaiws. Den yphrje omws prolhptikh anakoinwsh gia thn ekpomph ths k. Droyza. Yphrje ek twn ysterwn. Edw yparxei ena eidos prolhptikhs logokrisias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Proteinete prolhptikh logokrisia;

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai antiqetos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma twra egine prolhptikh logokrisia sthn periptwsh toy k. Giwtopoyloy, an den kanw laqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H logokrisia ws nomikos oros exei poly sygkekrimenh ennoia. Parakalw poly na enhmerwqeite.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai ws nomikos kai ws politikos oros omws, exei sygkekrimenh ennoia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws exei sygkekrimenh ennoia ws politikos oros. Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws -kai exw pei kai alles fores sth diarkeia aytwn twn mhnwn- oydepote me ejefrazan kai me ekfrazoyn tetoies logikes.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn apoqhkes sta telwneia, legontai forologikes apoqhkes, stis opoies yparxoyn pota, tsigara k.a. proionta ta opoia me aforologhto tropo pane sta ploia poy erxontai ston Peiraia. Aytes oi apoqhkes ws dia mageias adeiasan. Enas ypeyqynos epiqewrhths toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, toy ekane entypwsh ayto kai zhthse ta parastatika gia na dei an ontws ayta phgan sto swsto dromo h phgan sta nyxterina kentra ths paralias. Ypografoyn dyo: O kapetanios toy ploioy kai o telwneiakos. Ta mazece loipon sto grafeio toy, sta grafeia ths epiqewrhshs telwneiwn Peiraiws kai Kolwnoy, efyge o anqrwpos na paei na kanei trihmero dekapentaygoystoy kai apo thn Paraskeyh to brady mexri th Deytera toy dekapentaygoystoy, kapoioi xwris na parabiasoyn kamia porta, eixane mazecei ola ayta ta parastatika stis toyaletes kai ta ekaigan epi treis hmeres. Egw qelw na sas rwthsw, ginetai kati diaforetiko sthn mafia ths Sikelias, twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn h ths Albanias ap@ oti egine se yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn; Kai ti exei ginei mexri twra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Enw me enargeia perigracate to qema, omologw oti den katalaba thn erwthsh sas.

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh apo to dekapentaygoysto mexri shmera exei kanei tipota;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn eimai bebaios oti qa dwsei thn apanthsh kai qa kanei thn ereyna poy prepei.

BLAXOS: Me kaqysterhsh toswn mhnwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti qelete na sas pw; Oti den qa metaferw thn kataggelia@

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. An yparxei politikh eyqynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson isxyei ayto poy lete, einai mia sobarh kataggelia. Kai egw sas lew oti qa metaferw ayth thn kataggelia sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Kai qa exete apanthsh.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhmosieyetai shmera sta NEA eggrafo, to opoio deixnei oti yphrje monomerhs anaklhsh, me egkyklio toy G.G. toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn stis 2 Septembrioy 2004, diakratikhs symfwnias Elladas-Skopiwn gia patajh toy laqremporioy. Leei, sygkekrimena, oti epanaferetai to en logw qema sthn proisxyoysa katastash. Dhladh, ta forthga mporoyn na pernoyn gia ta Skopia kai apo th Doiranh kai apo th Nikh, ta mikra telwneia ta opoia den exoyn dynatothtes elegxoy. Qa hqela na jerw an htan enhmerh h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn gi@ ayto to qema, an einai enhmerh h kybernhsh kai ti akribws exei ginei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean den qelete na ypobalete to erwthma sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, qa to metaferw egw.

KORAH: Gia to idio qema. Epeidh, akribws, xarakthrisate poly sobarh ayth thn kataggelia@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti an ayta poy metefere o k. Blaxos isxyoyn, einai sobara.

KORAH: Nai, to akoysa. An, loipon, ayta isxyoyn kai to diapistwsete kai eseis, mias kai eiste toso ``apistos Qwmas'' kai dedomenoy oti ola ayta synebhsan -ean synebhsan- ton Aygoysto, ean to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias den edeije ta swsta antanaklastika, qa apodwsete politikes eyqynes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: ``Ean'', ``efoson'', ``ypoqesoyme'', ``to ena'', ``to allo'', fysika den prokeitai na staqoyme. Kai egw den eimai ``apistos Qwmas''. Akoyw pantote.

KORAH: Synhqws epibebaiwnontai oi kataggelies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den epibebaiwnontai ola. Gia paradeigma, shmera diabasa oti epedwse ta diapisteythria toy o k. Malias stis Hnwmenes Politeies. Prin apo ena mhna diabaza oti den ginetai dektos, ejediwxqh, den ton dexetai h Amerikh. Den epibebaiwnontai panta ola osa grafontai kaqe hmera. Opws den epibebaiwqhke o anasxhmatismos kai mia seira allwn plhroforiwn ``egkyrwn'' poy dhmosiopoihqhkan toys teleytaioys mhnes.

KORAH: Gia na pame, omws, kai sto qema toy k. Regkoyza, apo ton Ioynio, o,ti eipe ta eidame kai apodeixqhkan kai me praktika kai me binteo kai me ta panta, alla h kybernhsh den antedrase. Gi` ayto, loipon, qa zhthsete@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw, eilikrina, se poia ypoqesh anafereste. Me binteo kai praktika;

KORAH: Stis dhlwseis toy k. Regkoyza.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ejantlhqei ayth h ypoqesh, edw kai toylaxiston mia ebdomada.

KORAH: Gia esas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ayth thn aiqoysa, sas exw pei ola ta zhthmata poy aforoyn sthn ypoqesh ayth. An qelete na epanerxeste, einai dikaiwma sas. Mporeite na thn epanaferete oses fores qelete. Apanthsh diaforetikh, den qa parete.

KORAH: An kai efoson exoyn symbei ola ayta, ta sygkekrimena gegonota kai to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn den exei epideijei ta katallhla antanaklastika, yparxoyn politikes eyqynes h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas apanthsw gia to ``ean'' kai to ``efoson''; Se kamia periptwsh. Qa doyme akribws ti exei symbei, poia einai h kataggelia, ti ereyna exei ginei k.o.k.

KORAH: Qa exw apanthsh ayrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Polles fores sas exw pei -kai den einai kanenos eidoys ypekfygh, einai gia th dieykolynsh ths dikhs sas doyleias- oti den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw tis leptomereies olwn twn qematwn poy aforoyn alla ypoyrgeia. Pantote metefera ta erwthmata sta alla ypoyrgeia kai sth synexeia sas apantoysa.

BLAXOS: Pantws, ta antanaklastika yphrjan apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Kateqese mhnysh kat` agnwstwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prosqetete ena neo stoixeio, oti exei paei h ypoqesh sth Dikaiosynh. Den to eipate prohgoymenws ayto. Ara, ola ayta ta opoia rwtaei h k. Korah me to ``ean'' kai to ``efoson'', exoyn labei hdh apanthsh.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, ekei teleiwnoyn oi politikes eyqynes. Me mia kataqesh mhnyshs kat@ agnwstwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qelw na mpw se leptomereies enos qematos poy den gnwrizw. Kai ayto prepei na to sebasteite. To ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa sas dwsei sygkekrimenh apanthsh.

SPYRAKH: O k. Almoynia sth dhlwsh toy eipe oti h Eurostat exei zhthsei apo thn Ellada leptomereies gia th diadikasia ths titlopoihshs twn ofeilwn kai taxqhke eyqews enantion metrwn, ta opoia den exoyn synexeia. Qelw na rwthsw pws antimetwpizei ayth thn epifylajh h kybernhsh kai ean ektima oti o proypologismos, meta apo ayto, mporei na einai kai ston aera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa mporoysa na pw oti sas edwsa mia apanthsh prohgoymenws.

SPYRAKH: Oxi, den mas dwsate mia apanthsh prohgoymenws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lete apo th mia ``taxqhke eyqews'', kai sth synexeia moy lete ``pws antimetwpizei ayth thn epifylajh''. @H taxqhke eyqews h epifylaxqhke. Nomizw, loipon, oti mallon to deytero synebh, otan eipa oti den einai poly qermos se tetoies diadikasies. Perimenoyme na ginoyn oi syzhthseis me to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai epi th basei toy apotelesmatos, qa sxoliasoyme.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, yparxei ena qema gia thn titlopoihsh poly sobaro.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai yparxei ena qema, alla shmera einai edw o k. Almoynia na syzhthsei. Qa syzhthsei bebaiws gia polla qemata, oxi mono ayto.

SPYRAKH: Qewreite pws qa ton peisete oti qa eisprajete tis ofeiles;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti einai edw o armodios Epitropos, o k. Almoynia, wste na exei tis epafes me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, gia mia seira qematwn. Otan teleiwsei ayth h syzhthsh, eimai bebaios oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs qa kanei dhlwseis kai qa kalyfqei kai to erwthma poy ypobalate. Kanete ligo ypomonh, loipon, giati blepw oti exei poly endiaferon to qema.

TSIODRAS: O proypologismos exei syntaxqei, ap` oti fainetai me to ``ean'' kai to ``efoson'', to eipate prin.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kati tetoio prin;

TSIODRAS: Gia to proypologismo, oxi. Eipate gia..

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ``ean'' kai to ``efoson'' to eipa gia allo qema. Twra moy milate gia ton proypologismo.

TSIODRAS: Gia to ean kai to efoson poy eipate prin, fainetai oti o proypologismos exei syntaxqei me ayton akribws ton tropo. Kai to lew, giati; Den prokyptei apo poyqena, kai apo tis dhlwseis Almoynia, oti qa ginei dekth h titlopoihsh. Pws loipon syntassetai enas proypologismos th stigmh poy ena basiko, krisimo megeqos toy, opws einai ta esoda, twn 2 dis gia to 2006 kai to 1,8 gia to 2005, basizontai se ena ``an'' qa mas pei nai h E.E. Nai den mas exei pei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa mporoysa na apanthsw genika gia toys proypologismoys kai pws syntassontai, alla den qa to kanw. Opws den exei eipwqei kai to antiqeto gi ayto poy eipate.

TSIODRAS: Otan den exei eipwqei to antiqeto, shmainei oti ola einai para poly piqana, dhladh, kai na pei to nai kai na pei to oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me ton proypologismo, loipon, h xwra proypologizei ta esoda kai ta ejoda ths, alla me megalh eggythta -ston teliko ariqmo- kai alla me mikroterh. Gia paradeigma, otan qesame stoxo to 1,5 dis eyrw gia tis apokratikopoihseis kai epityxame 2 dis 100 ek. eyrw, oxi aplws petyxame to stoxo, ton yperkalycame. Yparxoyn paradeigmata se proypologismoys allwn xwrwn, opoy oi stoxoi kalyptontai apolytws, yperkalyptontai h den kalyptontai.

TSIODRAS: Gia ta 2 dis kai gia to 1,8 yparxoyn enallaktika senaria, se periptwsh poy erqei to oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipota perissotero. Apeyqynqeite ston ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn gia opoia allh erwthsh exete, an kai apanthse hdh apo proxqes sth synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse paroysiazontas to prosxedio toy proypologismoy.

GALIATSATOS: Epeidh to anaferate, anasxhmatismos qa ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Den allazei tipote apo thn teleytaia apanthsh moy, oyte apo tis prohgoymenes, giati exw erwthqei polles fores.

XADOYLHS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio sxetika me eidhsh poy dhmosieyei shmera h Dieqnhs Amnhstia, h opoia perigrafei me ta pio melana xrhmata thn katastash sta synora. Kanei logo gia synexeis parabiaseis twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kai twn metanastwn poy erxontai sth xwra kai aytwn poy zoyn sth xwra kai oswn zhtoyn asylo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimaste entelws antiqetoi me tis parabiaseis twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn. Einai mia arxh poy diepei thn politikh ayths ths kybernhshs kai pisteyw thn politikh olwn twn koinoboyleytikwn kommatwn. Ean parathroyntai fainomena poy ypekfeygoyn ayths ths arxhs, tote ofeiloyme, ws Politeia, na prostateysoyme toys anqrwpoys poy adikoyntai. Ean kai efoson adikoyntai. Eimai bebaios oti opote yphrjan tetoies kataggelies epenebhsan oi armodioi ypoyrgoi kai oi armodies yphresies.

IWANNOY: Kai shmera, alla kai oles tis teleytaies hmeres to PASOK synexizei me erwthseis na sfyrokopei thn kybernhsh sto sygkekrimeno qema ths diafqoras. Shmera kataggelloyn paranomes proslhceis sth Sxolh Ikarwn, sthn Asfalistikh. Pws skepteste na antimetwpisete ayto to qema, aytes tis kataggelies. Politika ti apanthsh dinete kai ean skefteste kati sygkekrimeno; Dhladh, qa apantate se mia-mia se aytes tis kataggelies, opws kai shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei kai alles fores. Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

XIWTHS: O ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfas dhlwse to prwi ston ALPHA oti h xwra mas exei parapemfqei sto eidiko dikasthrio apo thn perasmenh ebdomada, giati den exei apeleyqerwqei h agora energeias. Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, giati den yphrjan anakoinwseis gi ayto to zhthma poy einai arketa shmantiko, synedriase kai h kybernhtikh epitroph gi ayto to qema xqes, kai deyteron, ti energeies kaleiste na prajete ws kybernhsh gia na mhn yparxoyn@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

BLAXOS: Na paw sthn prwth dhlwsh sas, sxetika me thn Toyrkia. Lete kapoia stigmh oti ayth einai h pragmatikothta, opws thn epiqymoyn oloi oi Ellhnes. Alhqeia pws to katalabate oti ayth thn pragmatikothta thn epiqymoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa epi lejei: Ayth einai h pragmatikothta, ayth einai h istorikh stigmh, ayth einai h afethria gia ena mellon staqerothtas kai eirhnhs, opws to epiqymei o ellhnikos laos. Qewrw bebaio oti o ellhnikos laos zhta ena mellon staqerothtas kai eirhnhs sthn perioxh.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla den prepei na deite ean o ellhnikos laos qelei thn Toyrkia mesa sthn Eyrwph; Giati fobaste to dhmochfisma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai allo qema. H kybernhsh exei apanthsei me thn politikh ths.

BLAXOS: Kai epimenete na fobaste to dhmochfisma. Den einai kyriarxos o laos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai einai kyriarxos o laos. Alimono! Ayto den amfisbhthqhke.

BLAXOS: Pote einai kyriarxos; Mono gia na chfizei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati ligo einai na chfizei o laos; Den katalabainw ti ennoeite.

BLAXOS: Rwtw: Giati fobaste na kanete dhmochfisma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ena dikaiwma kaqe eleyqeroy polith apo genesews Dhmokratias, moy lete oti einai ligo;

BLAXOS: Symfwnw. Alla peite mas giati fobaste na kanete dhmochfisma, opws qa kanoyn h Gallia kai h Aystria poy den exoyn ameso problhma me thn Toyrkia, opws exoyme emeis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto qema. H politikh apofash exei analyqei pleistakis kai apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai apo emena. Panw apo oloys exei milhsei o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh -alla kai sto parelqon se alles synenteyjeis- gia thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias. Den einai dhlwseis poy eginan apo tote poy eimaste emeis kybernhsh. Einai dhlwseis poy eginan ta teleytaia xronia, pisteyontas oti ayth h prooptikh qa bohqhsei thn Toyrkia na eksygxronistei, na ejeyrwpaistei na allajei symperifores kai na bohqhsei genikotera sthn perioxh. Ayth einai h politikh mas apoch.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pws einai dynaton na xarakthrizete mikropolitikh kai mizerh thn kritikh poy ginetai apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs se o,ti afora th stash ths Elladas apenanti sthn anaprosarmogh ths paragrafoy 5, nyn 7, gia to qema ths endexomenhs probolhs beto apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias sthn entajh ths Kyproy sto NATO, thn idia stigmh poy o kaq` ylhn armodios k. Molybiaths eixe milhsei gia ``kokkinh grammh'', apo thn opoia den einai dynaton na apostei h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai 15 wres argotera eipe oti h kokkinh grammh einai telika ``peri onoy skias'' .

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den allaje tipota sto arqro 5@

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi. Allaje omws kati stis dhlwseis toy k. Molybiath.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto arqro 5, nyn arqro 7, den allaje apolytws tipota.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw menw sth dhlwsh toy k. Molybiath. Pws einai dynaton apo th mia na einai h kokkinh grammh ena qema kai apo thn allh to idio qema, meta thn apofash, na xarakthrizetai ``peri onoy skias'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew oti den allaje tipota. Ara, dikaiwnetai ayto poy leei o k. Molybiaths.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pws einai ``peri onoy skias'' h pws einai ``kokkinh grammh'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ean to katalabainete, alla to arqro den allaje.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den eipa oti allaje to arqro@.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tote, loipon, den dikaiwqhke h stash toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn;

PALAIOLOGOS: Pws einai dynaton to qema gia to opoio egine tosh koybenta, 15 wres, sto armodio Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn, apo th mia h ellhnikh kybernhsh na to xarakthrizei kokkinh grammh apo thn opoia den prokeitai na perasei h na kanei pisw@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto sas lew, den allaje.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, pws einai dynaton to idio qema na to ypotima kai na to apajiwnei 15 wres argotera kai na xarakthrizetai oti htan mia koybenta xwris nohma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Qa sas parakaloysa na to janadiabasete giati milame gia sobara qemata kai keimena. Prwton, den allaje kaqoloy to arqro. Deyteron, ayto poy xarakthristhke etsi einai h kritikh poy akoysthke se dyo seires, se mia paragrafo -opws eipa prin- dhlwsews, h opoia egine proforika apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Megalhs Bretanias. Kai ti eipe o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Megalhs Bretanias; Eipe to aytonohto: Enas dieqnhs organismos exei toys dikoys toy oroys na ergazetai, toys dikoys toy kanones leitoyrgias kai enas allos dieqnhs organismos den mporei na epembei se aytoys.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh yparxei mia sygxysh. Ti xarakthra eixe h dhlwsh toy k. Stro, dhladh, ayto pws einai sth dieqnh orologia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kai prin, mh desmeytikh nomika dhlwsh.

SPYRAKH: Ayto einai h ermhneia ths nomikhs yphresias. Egw qelw na jerw ti xarakthra@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws ermhneia ths nomikhs yphresias htan kai h dhlwsh poy ekane h Toyrkia, prin apo ligoys mhnes. Den nomizw oti apesth h nomikh yphresia toy Symboylioy, apo ayth th dhlwsh, oyte nomizw oti thn apajiwnei kaneis.

SPYRAKH: Hqela na rwthsw ti xarakthra exei h dhlwsh toy k. Stro. Epimenw na jerw pws onomazetai ayto sthn koinotikh orologia; Ean ayto@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na sas apanthsw pws onomazetai dieqnws. Na doyme ta pragmata poy exoyn oysia. Ti exei oysia; Allazei kati; Den allazei kati. Den exei nomikh isxy ayth h dhlwsh.

SPYRAKH: Exei oysia, ean h dhlwsh ayth apotelei meros toy kekthmenoy@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws qa apotelei meros otan den exei nomikh isxy;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epitrecete moy, ep` aytoy, afoy den allazei tipota sto arqro 5 poy baftisthke 7, erwtw, synexizei na exei to dikaiwma beto h Toyrkia sto qema entajhs ths Kyproy se dieqneis organismoys kai sto NATO nai h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe dieqnhs organismos exei toys dikoys toy kanones.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Poy shmainei ti;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Shmainei oti h E.E. -kai ayto den dianohqhke na to rwthsei kaneis kai poyqena- den mporei se kamia periptwsh na epembei se allo dieqnh organismo kai na pei ti qa kanei, ean qa dexqei h oxi mia xwra h ean qa dexqei h oxi mia symfwnia.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean katalaba kala kai apo tis dhlwseis sas exoyme na kanoyme me mia epityxia ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Elladas, oti jekinhsan opws jekinhsan oi entajiakes diapragmateyseis ths Toyrkias me monh desmeysh na thrhsei tis arxes kalhs geitonias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, nai. Se o,ti afora to deytero mallon agnoeite synolika to qema. Einai monh desmeysh ayth;

GKOYTZANHS: Isws den mas eixate enhmerwsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai ean sas exoyme enhmerwsei h oxi.

GKOYTZANHS: Den mas exei enhmerwsei analytika h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, dia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, exei kanei enhmerwsh stis Bryjelles. Exoyn dhmosiopoihqei ta keimena, den jerw ean ta exete diabasei. Gnwrizete, gia paradeigma, oti ginetai parekklish apo to Koinotiko Kekthmeno mono gia thn Toyrkia; Gia thn metegkatastash twn politwn ths akoma ki ean einai plhres melos ths E.E.; Exei ginei gia allh xwra ayto; Gnwrizete thn ypografh poy exei mpei; Th desmeysh thn opoia exei; To Patriarxeio, th Xalkh k.a. Den einai protroph h kalh geitonia. Einai symfwnhmenh desmeysh. Oyte einai to mono zhthma.

KORAH: H Toyrkia omws, einai h monadikh xwra poy exei strateymata katoxhs sthn Kypro kai gi ayto den yphrje kapoios oros. Ara, loipon, oyte kai me to casus belli.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme kanei mia seira prospaqeiwn kai emeis kai h Kypriakh kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na lyqei ayto to zhthma synolika. Oi prospaqeies aytes synexizontai. Oydepote ypesteile kapoios th shmaia. Oi prospaqeies synexizontai, pisteyw, me th symfwnh gnwmh olwn twn ellhnikwn kommatwn. Mporei kaneis na exei epimeroys diafwnies se kapoia proseggish, alla sigoyra o meizwn stoxos einai h epilysh toy problhmatos.

KORAH: Epeidh akribws kai o k. Molybiaths apo to Loyjembroyrgo, eipe oti oles oi dikes mas qeseis perasan, na skefqw oti den eixame qesei, ws ellhnikh kybernhsh, to qema toy casus belli kai to qema twn toyrkikwn strateymatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to qema toy casus belli mpainei se olh th diadikasia twn sxesewn.

KORAH: Na to dexqw. To qema twn strateymatwn poy einai shmantiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero, eipa oti einai zhthma poy afora thn epilysh aytoy kaq eaytoy toy problhmatos. Einai ena zhthma poy oloi prospaqoyme na lysoyme.

KORAH: Rwthsa ean mphke ws diapragmateytikos oros apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tiqetai mia seira diapragmateytikwn orwn, oi opoioi einai polloi kai perasame apo thn epoxh toy ``den bazoyme oroys'' sto ``bazoyme polloys oroys'' sthn Toyrkia, toys opoioys ypoxrewqhke na toys apodexqei.

KORAH: Ton balame h den ton balame kai ayton ton oro, aplws den egine apodektos apo thn E.E.; Ayto den moy dieykrinizete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas apanthsei o k. Koymoytsakos. Egw ekana thn politikh topoqethsh.

KAKALHS: Xarakthrisate epityxia ta osa perilhfqhsan sto diapragmateytiko plaisio gia ta ellhnotoyrkika kai to kypriako, wstoso den deixnei na symfwnei h pragmatikothta me ayto, giati o k. Gkioyl xqes dhlwse eyqews oti den qa yparjei kamia allagh stis qeseis ths Toyrkias oson afora to kypriako kai deyteron, emprakta edeijan oti tis desmeyseis ths E.E. tis grafoyn sta palaiotera twn ypodhmatwn toys, jekinwntas neo kyklo parabiasewn sto Aigaio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mhdenistikh h proseggish sas. Den symfwnw kaqoloy mazi sas.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, swsta lete oti enas dieqnhs organismos den mporei na ypagoreysei se allo dieqnh organismo ton tropo leitoyrgias toy. Omws, h E.E. zhta apo ta melh ths kai ta ypochfia melh ths na exoyn taytoshmh symperifora se orismenoys kanones;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh einai qetikh, oti krinetai h symperifora ths ypochfias xwras-meloys se alloys Organismoys. Krinetai kai ayth, opws kai alles symperifores. To zhta h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ayto.

POYLIDOY: To zhtaei pws; Se epipedo arxwn h to zhtaei epi th basei enos xronologioy poy qa krinetai@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti menw stis genikes arxes kai sas dinw kai plhrofories. Qa hqela, opoiadhpote idiaiterws ejeidikeymenh erwthsh na apanthqei apo ton k. Koymoytsako, o opoios brisketai edw gia na sas enhmerwsei.

SPYRAKH: Eipate kati kai qa hqela na to aposafhnisete: Eipate oti o kaqe dieqnhs organismos exei toys dikoys toy kanones, oydepote h E.E. qewrhse oti mporei na parembainei se kanones leitoyrgias twn allwn organismwn kai ayto einai profanws mia genikh arxh. Qelw na rwthsw pws mporeite na qewrhsete symbath th dhlwsh ayth, poy einai kai sto pneyma ths dhlwshs ths Proedrias, me thn problech toy arqroy 7 poy leei oti h Toyrkia kaleitai na enarmonisei th symperifora ths stoys dieqneis organismoys pros trites xwres kai melh ths E.E., se sxesh me tis arxes kai tis ajies ths E.E., opoy mia basikh einai h allhleggyh twn kratwn-melwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly xairomai poy to epanalambanete kai to lete kai me pollh kaqarothta. To erwthma den katalabainw poio einai.

SPYRAKH: Pws enarmonizetai ayto to pragma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws den enarmonizetai; Apagoreyetai se enan dieqnh organismo na leitoyrgei aytonoma; H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ekfrazei ws epiqymia, oi xwres poy einai ypochfies na ginoyn melh, na symperiferqoyn etsi opws prepei na symperiferontai oi en allhleggyh eyriskomenoi etairoi se enan organismo, se mia Dieqnh Enwsh, se mia symfwnia. Den mporei na to epibalei se kaqe dieqnh organismo, giati o kaqe dieqnhs organismos leitoyrgei me toys dikoys toy kanones. Mporei, omws, na shmeiwsei th symperifora ths xwras poy einai ypochfia gia na ginei melos, ean, kata periptwsh, diafwnei. Ean ayrio h Toyrkia arxisei na diafwnei se kapoion organismo, se kapoia symfwnia, ayth h symperifora katagrafetai. Kai afoy katagrafetai, synypologizetai sthn poreia, ston odiko ths xarth pros to na ginei h oxi plhres melos.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela na ypobalw mia politikh erwthsh: Qymamai pws, otan eixe ypografei h Symfwnia toy Elsinki, poy jekinoyse th diadikasia gia thn Toyrkia, o k. Karamanlhs askoyse kritikh ston k. Shmith, epeidh den zhthse rhtws thn arsh toy casus belli, prokeimenoy na sygkatateqei h xwra mas se ayth thn eyrwpaikh poreia. Mas menei h aporia: Twra, giati h kybernhsh sas den zhthse rhtws thn arsh toy casus belli, prokeimenoy na symfwnhsei gia thn enarjh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na symplhrwsw oti akoloyqhsan dhlwseis toy tote Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, k. Papandreoy, sthn efhmerida MILLIET, sthn opoia eipe oti den balame kanenan oro kai kamia proypoqesh sthn Toyrkia. Qa sas kalesw na analogisteite ean apo ekeinh th stigmh -oti den mphke kanenas oros kai kamia proypoqesh- mexri shmera, exoyn allajei kai poso ta pragmata.

GKOYTZANHS: Den diafwnw se ayto egw. Einai sygkekrimeno ayto poy rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa kai sthn k. Korah, h opoia eqese eyqews, opws kai eseis, thn erwthsh ayth, prohgoymenws. Sas eipa oti einai sto plaisio twn symperiforwn. Krinetai, loipon, h symperifora ths. An, dhladh, h Toyrkia synexisei na qewrei ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws, den qa kriqei ws symperifora; Kai poios qa thn krinei; Den qa thn krinoyn kapoioi alloi ejw apo emas. Qa thn krinei kai h Ellada kai h Kypros. Kai kaqe shmeio apo ta 35 ta opoia anefera kai prohgoymenws ston odiko xarth pros thn enopoihsh, pros thn oloklhrwsh ayths ths diadikasias, einai ena jexwristo shmeio kai xreiazetai omofwnh gnwmh. Dhladh kai th gnwmh ths Ellados kai ths Kyproy. Kalyterh diadikasia apo ayth, den yphrxe periptwsh na epiteyxqei.

BLAXOS: Exei anagnwrisei thn Kypro h Toyrkia, kyrie Ekproswpe, ayth th stigmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti einai ypoxrewsh ths Toyrkias na proxwrhsei se ayth th diadikasia. Ayto, pleon, einai ypoxrewsh, den einai genikws kai aoristws.

BLAXOS: Qewrhtiko einai.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O Gkioyl eipe oti den prokeitai na to kanei. Ayto einai to erwthma.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Poso nomika katoxyrwmenh einai h anagnwrish ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias apo thn Toyrkia; Epeidh eipate, prohgoymenws, oti einai katoxyrwmenh nomika. Rwtw: Einai toso katoxyrwmenh, wste na eimaste sigoyroi emeis oti qa mas anagnwrisei h Toyrkia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anaferqhka sto nomiko meros mias dhlwshs toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ths Bretanias. Den anaferqhka poyqena alloy, se nomikh katoxyrwsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Egw, loipon, qetw ayth thn erwthsh: Einai nomika katoxyrwmenh h anagnwrish ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias apo thn Toyrkia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ypoxrewsh ths, lete.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ypoxrewsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai einai ypoxrewmenh.

BAGIANOS: Qa mas enhmerwsete, kyrie ypoyrge, gia to an to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra qa parei kapoies hmeromhnies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati newtero gi` ayto.

O Ekproswpos Typoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsakos einai sth diaqesh sas gia erwthseis.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Jerete tis basikes topoqethseis. Anaferqhkan apo ton ypoyrgo Epikrateias sthn arxikh basikh toy dhlwsh. Egw eimai sth diaqesh sas gia opoiadhpote erwthsh aptetai twn apotelesmatwn toy Loyjemboyrgoy kai qa didontai analytikes apanthseis me sygkekrimenes anafores se keimena twrina kai prohgoymena.

KORAH: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn sto Loyjemboyrgo eipe oti oloi oi oroi ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs eginan apodektoi. Ara, loipon, (den akoygetai) toylaxiston ayth th fora sth sygkekrimenh diapragmateysh ws oro thn aposyrsh twn strateymatwn katoxhs apo thn Kypro.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Jekinaw thn apanthsh moy diabazontas kapoia keimena, dioti ta panta sthn koinotikh praktikh basizontai se mia seira apofasewn. Oi prohgoymenes apofaseis desmeyoyn kai diamorfwnoyn to plaisio gia tis epomenes. Qa hqela loipon na jekinhsw thn apanthsh moy diabazontas ta symperasmata toy Dekembrioy toy 2002 sthn Kopegxagh, opoy oristhke me apolyth safhneia ti akribws qa kriqei ton Dekembrio toy 2004, dhladh ton perasmeno Dekembrio, poy doqhke h hmeromhnia enarjews twn diapragmateysewn. Kai diabazw: ``Efoson to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio toy Dekembrioy toy 2004 apofasisei oti h Toyrkia plhroi ta politika krithria ths Kopegxaghs, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qa arxisei xwris kaqysterhsh entajiakes diapragmateyseis me thn Toyrkia''. To 2002, loipon, apofasisthke oti to Symboylio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me mono krithrio to ean h Toyrkia exei antapokriqei h oxi sta politika krithria ths Kopegxaghs poy anaferontai se eswterikh politikh, qa apofasisei kai qa krinei xwris kaqysterhsh thn enarjh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn. Ayto einai to plaisio to opoio kaqorise th stash ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai se olo to metepeita diasthma. Oiadhpote energeia dieyrynsews twn krithriwn gia thn enarjh twn diapragmateysewn, metajy twn opoiwn kai ayto poy anaferete opws kai alla, erxotan antimetwph me to keimeno ayto to opoio mas edeixnan oi etairoi mas: Oti to 2002 kaqoristhke me poia akribws krithria qa kriqei h enarjh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn ths Toyrkias. Ayto to keimeno to opoio molis sas diabasa, kaqorise th stash ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs olo to metepeita xroniko diasthma mexri thn enarjh twn diapragmateysewn.

KORAH: (Den akoygetai)

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Bebaiws qa sas to epikalestw ki ayto me thn idia kai perissoterh qrhskeytikh eylabeia. Dioti prepei na einai safes to plaisio mesa sto opoio diejagetai h diapragmateysh dioti basei aytoy toy plaisioy krinontai kai ta apotelesmata ths diapragmateytikhs taktikhs kai strathgikhs poy akoloyqeitai kaqe fora. Qa hqela loipon na anaferqw sto diapragmateytiko plaisio to opoio symfwnhqhke kai to opoio einai o aysthros odikos xarths poy qa krinei th dekaeth poreia, ton dekaeth mhxanismo asfyktikoy elegxoy poy jekinhse apo thn 3h Oktwbrioy. Sthn paragrafo 6 anaferetai: ``H proodos ayth'', dhladh ths Toyrkias, ``ajiologeitai idiws me bash tis akoloyqes proypoqeseis''. Oi proypoqeseis einai tesseris: Ta krithria ths Kopegxaghs afenos, alla kai alla. H safhs desmeysh ths Toyrkias gia sxeseis kalhs geitonias kai gia epilysh diaforwn.

Oi sxeseis kalhs geitonias einai enas genikos oros o opoios kalyptei omws th dieqnh symperifora, thn ejwterikh symperifora kaqe ypochfioy kratoys. Ayto gia prwth fora entassetai se koinotiko keimeno ws desmeytiko krithrio. Mexri twra ola htan se politika keimena kai eixan th morfh politikhs parotrynshs. An sas diabasw tis diatypwseis, anaferontai se ``protrepoyme'', ``parotrynei'', ``epiqymei''. Ayth th stigmh loipon exoyme ayto to keimeno basei toy opoioy qa ginei ejeidikeysh @ayto einai ena keimeno 8 selidwn- kai qa katalhjoyme se keimena 100 selidwn poy qa ejeidikeyoyn ayto. Loipon, ayto einai akribws to plaisio kai eimai sth diaqesh sas gia alles peraiterw erwthseis, afoy eimai bebaios oti prosexete ayta ta opoia, leptomerws anaferqhkan basei keimenwn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti xarakthra eixe h dhlwsh toy k. Stro, mporeite na moy peite;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: H dhlwsh toy k. Stro einai mia ermhneytikh dhlwsh ths proedrias.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Pws thn lene sta agglika; Ayto pws to lene sta agglika;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Dhlwsh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Statement;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Statement.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eyxaristw para poly. Epeidh etyxe na diabazw to keimeno (den akoygetai). Mesa sto keimeno ayto to opoio to exete kai sta xeria sas leei oti h Toyrkia kaleitai na efarmosei kai th nomoqesia kai sthn prajh (den akoygetai), to koinotiko kekthmeno@

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Syggnwmh, se poia dhlwsh anafereste twra; Sth dhlwsh ths proedrias sxetika me thn paragrafo 7 h sthn enarkthria omilia toy k. Stro otan jekinhse h synedriash toy Symboylioy;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: (Den akoygetai)

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Den leei tipote apo ayta poy moy eipate.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Oxi allo sas lew.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Na moy peite parakalw ayto poy moy lete, oxi allo apo ayto poy lete.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Afhste me na sas rwthsw. Sas rwtw loipon: H dhlwsh ths proedrias ti xarakthra eixe;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Sas eipa oti einai dhlwsh ths proedrias.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Einai statement;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Statement.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayth h dhlwsh den htane ayto poy leme episynaptomenes (den akoygetai).

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Einai meros twn praktikwn ths synedriasews.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qelw loipon na rwthsw to ejhs. Apo thn wra poy h Toyrkia kaleitai na enswmatwsei ayto poy leme koinotiko kekthmeno kai mesa ekei yparxei h paragrafos 7, yparxei kai to statement ths Proedrias. Poio apo ta dyo isxyei se oti afora sth symperifora ths sto NATO;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Akoyste. To periexomeno ths dhlwsews leei oti h paragrafos 7 - prohgoymenh 5 - den afora kai den mporei na empodisei thn anejarthsia twn dieqnwn organismwn sth lhch apofasewn. Ti leei omws h paragrafos 7; H paragrafos 7 leei oti ws ypochfia xwra h Toyrkia ypoxreoytai na prosarmozei thn politikh ths me thn politikh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwsews, symperilambanomenhs kai ths stashs ths oson afora thn piqanh symmetoxh kratwn-melwn se dieqneis organismoys. Ayto den epibalei sthn Toyrkia ti politikh akribws qa akoloyqhsei, dioti paramenei anejarthto kratos. Akomh kai shmera krath -melh me eikosaeth h triakontaeth paroysia sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, enw lambanontai qeseis Eyrwpaikhs Enwsews, den desmeyontai apolytws dioti se anejarthta krath h kyriarxh boylhsh den mporei na epiblhqei para mono an katalhfqoyn. Ayto omws to opoio kanei to arqro 7 einai oti opoiadhpote symperifora apofasizetai h efarmozei opoiodhpote kratos, lambanetai ypoch kai kaqorizei, ki exei arnhtikh epiptwsh kai apotimatai kata th diadikasia prosarmoghs ths Toyrkias sta Eyrwpaika krithria kai prooptikes. Oydepote mporei na sterhsei kapoios organismos apo kapoion allon, apo ena melos toy, akomh kai melos toy, oxi apo kapoio trito kratos h trito organismo, to dikaiwma toy na apofasisei ti akribws qa kanei. Omws exei to dikaiwma - kai ayto einai mesa sto keimeno kai einai desmeytiko - na pei oti h symperifora ayth qa krinetai kai qa diamorfwnei kai thn atmosfaira kai thn krish twn 25 kratwn -melwn ws pros th symperifora toy sygkekrimenoy kratoys, sthn periptwsh ayth ths Toyrkias. Ayto den exei alloiwqei. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, otan h Toyrkia akoloyqei mia symperifora h opoia den armozei me thn politikh ths, qa thn krinei kai den qa thn krinoyn kapoioi aorista, alla ta 25 krath - melh. Kai ap` oso qymamai, mesa sta 25 krath - melh einai kai h Ellada kai h Kypros. Kai qa eimaste aysthroi krites. Dioti kaqe bhma ths diapragmateyshs gia na proxwrhsei proypoqetei apofaseis poy lambanontai omofwnws. Epi 35 kefalaia. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta kai olh h syzhthsh peri dhlwsews kai peri desmeysews.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: (Den akoygetai) apo thn kybernhsh kai apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, qelw na moy dieykrinisete an ayth h paragrafos 7, prwhn 5, afora kai th leitoyrgia toy eyrwstratoy, dedomenoy oti me th symfwnia ths Agkyras kai thn apofash ths Synodoy Koryfhs stis Bryjeles, to 2002 an den kanw laqos, eixe ejaireqei h Kypros apo ton eyrwstrato kai to Aigaio ws perioxh drashs toy eyrwstratoy.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Eyxaristw poly gia thn erwthsh, einai poly endiaferoysa kai xrhsimh. H paragrafos 7, loipon, anaferei: ``Kata thn mexri thn prosxwrhsh periodo qa apaithqei apo thn Toyrkia na eyqygrammisei proodeytika tis politikes ths enanti twn tritwn xwrwn kai tis qeseis ths entos twn dieqnwn organismwn, metajy allwn oson afora kai th symmetoxh olwn twn kratwn-melwn stoys en logw organismoys kai ryqmiseis, @arrangements@, pros tis politikes kai tis qeseis ths Enwshs kai twn kratwn - melwn ths''. Oi ``ryqmiseis'', loipon, einai h lejh kai o oros poy anaferontai sthn eyrwpaikh asfaleia kai amyna, opws swsta anaferate. Aytos o oros den - epanalambanw den- symperilambanetai sth dhlwsh ths proedrias. Epomenws h eyrwpaikh amyna kai asfaleia einai ektos ermhneytikhs dhlwsews.

Sas eyxaristoyme.

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