Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-10-04

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Aqhna, 4 Oktwbrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligh wra h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, opoy syzhthqhke to qema ths apeleyqerwshs ths energeias kai ths apeleyqerwshs ths agoras ths energeias. O ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfas exei kanei hdh dhlwseis.

Ayrio, stis 19:30, o Prwqypoyrgos k. K. Karamanlhs qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo toy Loyjemboyrgoy k. Zan Klont Gioynker. Stis 20:30, oi dyo Prwqypoyrgoi, qa parakaqisoyn se geyma.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: O k. Sioyfas bgainontas apo to Megaro Majimoy ypenqymise th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth DEQ oti to montelo toy OTE qa efarmostei se oles tis DEKO, ara kai sth DEH. Prosfata, o k. Palaiokrasas eixe dhlwsei se synenteyjh toy, oti h DEH den xreiazetai to montelo toy OTE. Yparxei qema Palaiokrasa gia akoma mia fora;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa efarmostei to montelo, opws akribws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: Mporei na meinei o k. Palaiokrasas sth qesh toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: H petrelaiokinhsh twn aytokinhtwn epitrepetai sthn Aqhna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, plhn twn kratikwn aytokinhtwn.

BLAXOS: Ara, dhladh, enas ypoyrgos mporei na exei ena petrelaiokinhto aytokinhto kai na erxetai sto Megaro Majimoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti mporei, apo th stigmh poy den apagoreyetai gia ta kratika aytokinhta.

BLAXOS: Ekei, dhladh, ta petrelaiokinhta den exoyn kako kaysimo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symfwna me nomoqesia toy parelqontos, ta I.X. petrelaiokinhta aytokinhta den mporei na kykloforhsoyn sthn Aqhna. Apo ayth th ryqmish exoyn ejaireqei ola ta kratika aytokinhta.

BLAXOS: Kai twn ypoyrgwn, dhladh, ayto mas lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola ta kratika aytokinhta. Den jerw ean exete kati sygkekrimeno na me rwthsete.

BLAXOS: Nai, htan polla ypoyrgika aytokinhta sto Megaro Majimoy kai eixan anammenes tis mhxanes kai htan ta perissotera petrelaiokinhta. Den katalabainw giati egw o poliths den mporw na exw ena petrelaiokinhto aytokinhto kai mporei na exei o kyrios ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symplhrwmatika, qa hqela na sas pw oti den agorasthkan kainoyrgia aytokinhta. Ayta poy parelhfqhsan apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, ayta kykloforoysan kai kykloforoyn.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla, ayto to o,ti ginotan epi PASOK, ginetai kai twra, me sygxwreite, dhladh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti yparxei nomos poy ejairei ta kratika aytokinhta.

SIDERHS: Ti parapanw eipe o k. Polyzos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia to qema ths diafqoras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai teleiws diaforetika kai anomoia ta megeqh. Einai teleiws diaforetikes kai anomoies oi dhlwseis. Teleiws diaforetika kai anomoia ta nohmata.

SIDERHS: Dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema toy k. Polyzoy to exoyme ejantlhsei. O Prwqypoyrgos htan safhs.

SIDERHS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe ``ws edw kai mh parekei''. Den to eipe, omws, sto qema twn ``galaziwn paidiwn''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos apanthse kai se ayto to qema, ypenqymizontas oti straties oloklhres anqrwpwn me symbaseis, xwris kamia diadikasia diagwnismoy, stelexwsan to dhmosio tomea. Milame gia polles xiliades symbasioyxwn. Anaferqhke se ena-dyo paradeigmata. Xiliades symbasioyxoi poy stelexwsan to dhmosio tomea xwris na exoyn labei meros se kanenos eidoys diagwnismo. Symbasioyxoi toys opoioys parelabe ayth h kybernhsh kai opws eixe ypoxrewsh symfwna me odhgies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs -enarmonizomenh dhladh stoys nomoys poy oloi exoyme chfisei sthn E.E.- proxwrhse se symbaseis aoristoy xronoy. Ayto, loipon, einai h safhs kai kathgorhmatikh apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy se ayto poy eipate.

SIDERHS: Giati ayto na mhn qewrhqei enas symchfismos; Kathgorhse to PASOK oti epitiqetai gia na kanei symchfismo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To PASOK prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis. Se ayth thn prospaqeia toy, exei apotyxei.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na meinw ligo se ayto. Eipe o k. Karamanlhs, ws edw kai mh parekei. To ``ws edw'' shmainei oti mexri shmera synexizontai ta kroysmata diafqoras sto dhmosio. Milhse gia ``fakelakia'', milhse gia epiorkoys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Ayto to ws edw kai mh parekei mporei na to pei kapoios poliths. Apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras perimenei kapoios na labei sygkekrimena metra, peran twn qesmikwn, prokeimenoy na pataxqei to fainomeno ths diafqoras. Qa hqela na jerw, se ayto to diasthma, yparxoyn dhmosioi ypallhloi poy exoyn fygei apo th doyleia toys, exoyn xasei tis qeseis toys; Yparxoyn dhmosioi ypallhloi poy exoyn timwrhqei aysthra gi ayta poy ginontai kai kataggelqhkan kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, sto dhmosio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei na anazhthsei kaneis se kaqe ypoyrgeio ti eidoys periptwseis antimetwpisthkan. Sth Grammateia Enhmerwshs kai Grammateia Epikoinwnias, sth diarkeia twn 18 mhnwn, antimetwpisame mia-dyo periptwseis. Ara, loipon, qa prepei na dei kaneis to qema xwrista, se kaqe ypoyrgeio, gia to ti eidoys poines exoyn epiblhqei se ypallhloys poy htan epiorkoi. Se o,ti afora, pantws, thn genikh topoqethsh, qelw na sas pw oti yparxoyn nomoi, alla polles fores parabiazontai. O Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras, opws kai o ekastote Prwqypoyrgos, ofeilei politika topoqetwntas to qema, na dwsei me safhneia thn politikh qesh ths ekastote kybernhshs. Ayth, loipon, h politikh qesh perigrafhke akribws xqes apo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres yparxoyn kai pali reportaz, toso stis gallikes efhmerides, oso kai stis thleoraseis gyrw apo tis ``mizes'' poy phran. Anaferoyn malista gia prwhn Prwqypoyrgo, gia prwhn ypoyrgo asfaleias, gia prwhn ypoyrgo Amynas. Den qa kanei tipota h ellhnikh kybernhsh, den qa kanei tipota h ellhnikh dikaiosynh; Afora thn Ellada.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, yparxei h diadikasia me aformh erwthsh boyleyth sth Boylh sthn opoia qa apanthsei to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs. Deyteron, oson afora th dikaiosynh, opws gnwrizete, h dikaiosynh einai anejarthth. Me aformh kapoies kataggelies poy eginan tis teleytaies hmeres, gia perifereiaka stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, akoyw ton ekproswpo toy PASOK na diarrhgnyei ta imatia toy gia to ti kanei h N.D. H Nea Dhmokratia gia dyo periptwseis poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas, edwse entolh sthn men prwth na diereynhqei se baqos h ypoqesh, sth de deyterh diegrace to stelexos ths kai to esteile ston eisaggelea. Anarwtiemai, ti kanei to PASOK; O k. Papandreoy kalese to stelexos ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs poy kathgoreitai apo dyo megala MME ths Gallias; Eidame sthn efhmerida ``HMERA'' twn Patrwn, na ginetai prwto qema h ypoqesh stelexoys ths N.D. Amesws o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths N.D. edwse entolh na diereynhqei h ypoqesh. Edwse tetoia entolh o k. Papandreoy gia na diereynhqei mia ypoqesh poy afora ychlobaqmo stelexos toy PASOK, prwhn ypoyrgo; Otan, loipon, egkaloyn thn kybernhsh, ofeiloyn oi idioi na einai entajei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs den exei dikaiwma na diatajei ton armodio eisaggelea, efoson den kineitai o idios, exei to dikaiwma na toy dwsei entolh. Exei ginei se alles periptwseis, eprepe na ginei kai se ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enhmerwqw apo ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs ean exei ayto to dikaiwma, poy anaferate. Gnwrizete oti h dikaiosynh kineitai anejarthta. Kata synepeia qa meinw sthn apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

PAPAGIANNHS: Xqes, apo to prosxedio toy Proypologismoy, prokyptei mia emfanhs prodiaqesh ths kybernhshs gia peristolh twn dapanwn sta ypoyrgeia. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ws armodio ypoyrgo, gnwrizete oti h ekpomph toy k. S. Papadopoyloy sthn kratikh thleorash kostizei 3 ekatommyria eyrw ethsiws kai ean gnwrizete oti peripoy yparxoyn 55 kratikodiaitoi symboyloi sthn ERT, oi opoioi, kata meso oro, ameibontai me 7.000 eyrw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei se antistoixa erwthmata poy eginan apo boyleytes ths antipoliteyshs, alla kai ths sympoliteyshs sth Boylh gia qemata poy aforoyn thn ERT. Kai qa apantw pantote me proqymia. Se genikes grammes, qa hqela na sas pw oti h ERT ofeilei na leitoyrghsei se ena antagwnistiko periballon, na exei kalytero poiotika programma, na exei kalyterh enhmerwsh gia toys Ellhnes polites, afoy oloi oi Ellhnes polites thn plhrwnoyn.

SARANTAKOS: Xqes, sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths N.D. treis toylaxiston boyleytes afhsan kapoies aixmes gia thn epikoinwniakh politikh ths kybernhshs. Hqela na rwthsw th dikh sas gnwmh, poios eyqynetai gia to gegonos -poy opws eipe o k. Polydwras- ton anaptyjiako nomo poy opws eipe fernei kai ependyseis, to gnwrizoyn mono oi boyleytes ths N.D. kai kanenas allos. Poios eyqynetai, opws eipe o k. Kasimhs, gia mia aneparkh kalych ths ERT se episkech ypoyrgwn kai boyleytwn kai telos, poios eyqynetai gi ayto poy eipe o k. Manwlhs oti den yphrje amesh antidrash se kataggelies poy eginan se dhmosiografikh ekpomph, kata ypoyrgoy ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me exete rwthsei kai alles fores gia to qema ths epikoinwniakhs politikhs ths kybernhshs. Den briskw to logo na pw tipota perissotero apo ayta poy sas exw pei: O exqros toy kaloy, einai to kalytero.

SARANTAKOS: Anagnwrizete eyqynes ston eayto sas; Se ayto poy eipe o k. Polydwras, oti den egine h probolh poy eprepe ston anaptyjiako nomo. Mia strathgikh epilogh, opws kai gia (den akoygetai)@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw dialogo gia topoqethseis synadelfwn moy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Antilambaneste bebaiws oti o anaptyjiakos nomos exei proxwrhsei para poly kala. Ekatontades epixeirhsewn exoyn entaxqei ston anaptyjiako nomo. Kata synepeia, h prospaqeia poy ginetai gia na enisxyqei h oikonomia mesw toy anaptyjiakoy nomoy, einai prospaqeia, en pollois, epityxhmenh. Pantote, omws, menw sthn apoch poy sas eipa kai twra kai alles fores: Exqros toy kaloy, to kalytero.

BLAXOS: Exqros dikos sas poios einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanenas.

BLAXOS: Mhpws oi boyleytes xqes eixan mia exqrikh diaqesh mazi sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den blepw exqroys.

KAKALHS: Asfalws o proypologismos toy 2006 den einai proypologismos litothtas, oyte einai proypologismos tajikos, poy ta pairnei apo toys polloys kai ta dinei stoys ligoys. Mporeite na mas peite ti proypologismos einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei probei se analytikes anakoinwseis o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Einai enas proypologismos poy prospaqei na symmazecei thn kakh klhronomia toy parelqontos. Einai mia akomh xronia sthn opoia qa prepei oloi oi Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs na einai prosektikoi stis dhmosies dapanes. Einai enas proypologismos o opoios qa odhghsei thn oikonomia se poly kalyterh moira apo ayth thn opoia paralabame.

KAKALHS: Panw sta ptwmata twn misqwtwn kai twn syntajioyxwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai ti ennoeite. Exoyme janasyzhthsei polles fores gia toys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys. Eseis blepete ta pragmata apo th dikh sas optikh gwnia. Egw sas lew pws einai sthn pragmatikothta.

SIDERHS: H titlopoihsh esodwn den einai dhmioyrgikh logistikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, apanthse, xqes, sto erwthma.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes o Prwqypoyrgos eipe ``ws edw kai mh parekei'', ``den qa balw nero sto krasi moy'', ``qa eimaste ameiliktoi apenanti se oloys opoy ki an briskontai, opoioi ki an einai''. Poioys akribws ennooyse; Mhpws exete kati ypoch sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me aformh thn erwthsh synadelfwn sas, anaferqhka sto qema prohgoymenws.

GKOYTZANHS: Yparxei dhmosieyma sthn efhmerida ``TO QEMA'' ayth thn ebdomada poy sas ferei na exete diorisei syggeniko sas proswpo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe poliths dikaioytai na symmetexei stis diadikasies. Kaqe poliths exei to dikaiwma sthn epityxia kai to meridio sthn apotyxia. Sygkekrimena omws, se oti afora emena kai thn poreia moy, einai gnwsth, diayghs kai jekaqarh. Se o,ti afora to sygkekrimeno peristatiko sto opoio anaferqhke ontws sthn efhmerida ayth, qa hqela na shmeiwsw, oti to syggeniko moy proswpo, opws oloi oi neoi se ayton ton topo, eixe dikaiwma na ypobalei ypochfiothta kai dikaiwma na dwsei graptes ejetaseis. Einai dhmosia ta eggrafa twn ejetasewn. Einai dhmosio to apolythrio toy sxoleioy toy k.o.k. Den qa meinw ekei. Qa hqela, omws, na pw oti gia ton sygkekrimeno anqrwpo, den moy egine antistoixh erwthsh prin apo ligoys mhnes, otan eixe ypobalei aithma kai meteixe stis ejetaseis trapezas gia ypallhlos, opoy kai apetyxe. Sas lew, loipon, kai pali oti dikaiwma sthn epityxia kai meridio sthn apotyxia exei o kaqe Ellhnas poliths. Ean leitoyrgoysa me th logikh thn opoian ypainissetai h erwthsh sas, qa sas elega oti qa eixa leitoyrghsei etsi prin apo ligoys mhnes, otan o idios anqrwpos eixe metasxei se ejetaseis ths trapezas gia ypallhlos kai oxi gia froyros sth xrhmatapostolh h froyros sthn porta me kindyno kai gia th zwh toy. H logikh moy ws politikoy proswpoy einai teleiws diaforetikh apo ayth thn opoia ypainissetai h erwthsh sas. Ayto sas to lew cyxra kai kathgorhmatika. Oloi eimaste anoixtoi se elegxo. H poreia toy kaqenos einai diayghs.

GKOYTZANHS: Den ypainissetai tipota h erwthsh moy, einai kaqarh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy eipate an ``diorisa'' syggeniko moy proswpo kai sas apanthsa.

PAPAGIANNHS: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia to apisteyto xali poy zoyme emeis oi katoikoi sto kentro twn Aqhnwn sxetika me toys xiliades tonoys skoypidiwn poy kaqhmerina blepoyme gyrw mas kai ta myrizoyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn polla problhmata. Opws gnwrizete ginetai megalh prospaqeia kai gia neo xwro XYTA giati mono ena mono xwro XYTA exei sth diaqesh ths h Attikh ayth th stigmh. Ginetai prospaqeia na lyqoyn problhmata opws ayta poy paralabame kai me toys XYTA alla kai me th lymatolasph. Se ena poly shmantiko baqmo exoyme proxwrhsei. Pisteyw oti se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma, opws allwste kai dhmosiws exoyn desmeytei oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi, qa lyqoyn ayta ta problhmata.

SPYRAKH: Den exei katastei safes to kaqestws ths dhlwshs ths bretanikhs Proedrias se sxesh me thn enarjh twn diapragmateysewn me thn Toyrkia. Yparxei mia dhlwsh aplws gia na katagrafei, sthn opoia diatypwnetai apo thn pleyra ths bretanikhs Proedrias oti oloi oi organismoi einai aytoteleis sth lhch twn apofasewn toys. Qa hqela na rwthsw an ayth h dhlwsh einai meros toy keimenoy h einai episynaptomenh sto keimeno h einai aplws mia dhlwsh poy den einai oyte meros toy keimenoy oyte episynaptomenh sto keimeno. Poio einai to kaqestws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthsei hdh xqes o k. Molybiaths gia th nomikh h oxi isxy ayths ths dhlwshs. Qa meinw sthn apanthsh toy.

BLAXOS: Edw yparxei ena qema kaqara eyrwpaiko. Oi Eyrwpaioi hgetes asxoloyntai me to an qa jekinhsei diadikasia diapragmateyshs gia thn entajh ths Toyrkias kai jafnika diapistwnoyme oti thlefwnei h k. Rais apo edw kai apo kei kai ephreazei ta pragmata. Gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh einai apodekth ayth h parembash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh oyden thlefwnhma antistoixo dexthke.

BLAXOS: Genika ston eyrwpaiko xwro einai apodekth h parembash twn Amerikanwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sth dieqnh politikh skhnh ginontai syzhthseis metajy olwn twn xwrwn.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti h Toyrkia diathrei to dikaiwma na askei to beto opote epiqymei enw h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei hdh speysei na dhlwsei oti den qa askhsei to beto gia thn entajh ths Toyrkias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalaba to erwthma sas.

KAKALHS: H Toyrkia diathrei to dikaiwma ths na askhsei to beto sth synexeia kata th diarkeia twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn, opote to epiqymei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poy na askhsei beto;

KAKALHS: Stoys dieqneis organismoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H paragrafos 7 paremeine ws eixe. Einai safes ayto to opoio leei. Olh h ypoqesh jekinhse apo to erwthma -oxi bebaia edw sto press room- poy eqese h k. Spyrakh. Apanthse o k. Molybiaths xqes, alla kai egw.

KAKALHS: Egw lew oti h Toyrkia diathrei genika to dikaiwma ths na askei to beto opote epiqymei enw h Ellada exei dhlwsei prokatabolika oti den qa to askhsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H paragrafos 7 anaferei oti h Toyrkia mexri thn entajh ths qa prepei na prosarmosei th qesh ths me tis qeseis kai thn politikh ths Eyrwphs se oti afora dieqneis organismoys kai thn politikh ths pros trites xwres. Einai safes.

KAKALHS: O k. Karamanlhs omws sto CNN eipe oti den qa askhsei to dikaiwma toy beto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na janadeite ayth th synenteyjh giati exei ginei polys logos. O k. Karamanlhs sto CNN eipe oti h askhsh toy beto einai politikh prajh. Einai omws h esxath politikh prajh h opoia apodeiknyei oti mexri ekeinh thn wra exoyn apotyxei oles oi alles politikes. Ayto eipe.

Sas eyxaristw.

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