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Aqhna, 6 Oktwbrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos ayth thn wra synantatai me ton armodio gia oikonomika qemata Epitropo k. Almoynia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh ta exei brei me ton k. Kokkalh; Kai epeidh fantazomai oti h apanthsh qa einai arnhtikh pws ejhgeite oti h kybernhsh dinei tis ellhnikes omades sto STOIXHMA toy k. Kokkalh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to paramyqi, to akoysa kai me to STOIXHMA kai diaceysqhke sthn prajh. Me aformh allo qema, akoyw pali to idio paramyqi apo toys anqrwpoys ekeinoys poy otan htan kybernhsh eixan epilektika idiaiteres sxeseis me epixeirhmaties.

BLAXOS: To paramyqi poio einai;

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia ton FLASH. Katateqhke mia protash apo ton prwhn ypoyrgo k. Berelh, sthn opoia synocizontas anaferei na breqei mia lysh me nomoqetikh ryqmish etsi wste na synexisei na ekpempei kai na ginei allagh ths idiokthsias xwris prohgoymenws na kleisei. Einai mia lysh sthn opoia oxi akribws alla kai stelexh toy dikoy sas kommatos, opws o k. Boylgarakhs, o k. Kassimhs, o k. Magginas eipan oti einai kalo na breqei mia tetoia lysh. Bebaiws h prwtoboylia anhkei sthn kybernhsh kai sthn kybernhtikh pleiochfia. Eseis pws to blepete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas anefera kai xqes, lypamai otan kleinei enas staqmos. Epishs dhlwsa oti ftwxainei h Dhmokratia mas, otan stamataei th leitoyrgia toy ena Meso Enhmerwshs. Wstoso, shmera, yparxoyn kapoies ejelijeis. Epikoinwnhsa pali me ton proedro toy ESR, o opoios moy epeshmane -kai malista to epeshmane apo xqes to meshmeri se anakoinwsh to ESR- oti otan synanthqhke me ekproswpo toy FLASH, h ekproswpos dhlwse oti ola ta endexomena einai anoixta.

H anakoinwsh ayth ejedoqh xqes to meshmeri. Qa ekfrasw thn eilikrinh aporia: Giati orismenoi, apo to meshmeri poy ejedoqh ayth h anakoinwsh ews to brady alla kai shmera to prwi, prospaqhsan na dhmioyrghsoyn senaria poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta; Prin apo ligh wra plhroforhqhka oti ejedoqh anakoinwsh apo thn idiokthsia toy FLASH, poy anaferei oti o staqmos diatiqetai pros pwlhsh. H epixeirhsh dhladh mporei na pwlhqei. Ta senaria loipon ta opoia akoysthkan, oxi aplws einai entelws anypostata, alla einai senaria anqrwpwn poy alla elegan xqes kai alla lene shmera prospaqwntas na paijoyn politika kai kommatika paixnidia sthn plath twn ergazomenwn.

Qa moy epitrecete sto shmeio ayto, na sas diabasw ena mikro keimeno: ``Se erwthsh an mporei na analabei eggyodotiko rolo to ypoyrgeio Typoy kai seis proswpika gia thn tyxh twn ergazomenwn, gia thn ergasia twn synadelfwn, h apanthsh einai: Oxi bebaia. Mporei ena ypoyrgeio na eggyhqei thn ergasia se idiwtikh epixeirhsh; To mono poy mporei na kanei to ypoyrgeio Typoy einai na xrhsimopoihsei mia taktikh h opoia na odhgei se lysh toy problhmatos. Osoi to katalabainoyn kalws. Oi ypoloipoi, dhmokratia exoyme, mporei na grafoyn oti qeloyn. Otan yparxoyn problhmata -kai ayto eipa xqes stoys ergazomenoys- mono an lyqei o gordios desmos mporei na doqei lysh. Otan oloi katalaboyn oti yparxei apofasistikothta, oi ejelijeis epitaxynontai. Anagkazontai oloi na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys kai tote mono qa ftasoyme se lysh. Ean synexizoyme na paizoyme metajy mas me wraia logia, ta opoia ikanopoioyn proswrina toys ergazomenoys alla apobainoyn telika se baros toys, tote odhgoyme sthn paratash mias asxhmhs katastashs h opoia qa ephreasei olo to radiothleoptiko topio. Mono an epixeirhqei na breqei lysh me nomimes diadikasies, tote mono mporei na yparjei lysh gia to radiofwniko staqmo kai tote mono mporoyn na diasfalistoyn oi qeseis ergasias. Me kanenan allo tropo''. Ayto to keimeno, opws kai polla alla poy exw sta xeria moy kai einai sth diaqesh sas, einai apanthsh toy prokatoxoy moy k. Prwtopapa se erwthsh, gia to ti kanei h kybernhsh gia ton PLANET.

Qymizw oti o radiofwnikos staqmos PLANET antimetwpise antistoixa problhmata epi kybernhsews PASOK. Oxi mono o armodios ypoyrgos, alla kai polla stelexh tote, dhlwnan oti prepei na akoloyqhqoyn oi nomimes diadikasies. Blepw loipon na perisseyei mia ypokrisia otan shmera polla apo ta stelexh toy PASOK dhlwnoyn alla apo ayta poy elegan tote. Den einai bebaiws h prwth fora. Mas exei synhqisei to PASOK alla na leei xqes kai alla na leei shmera. Se kaqe periptwsh, sas lew oti o staqmos efoson pwleitai kai efoson yparxei endiaferon apo toys agorastes -akoysa oti endiaferontai dhmosiografoi, makari na paei se dhmosiografoys pisteyw oti qa einai kalo gia ton klado- bebaiws kai qa akoloyqhqoyn oi nomimes diadikasies. To ESR einai ekeino poy qa krinei kai thn metabibash.

Apantwntas loipon, oristika sto erwthma sas, sas lew oti yparxei ayth th stigmh mia diadikasia poy mporei na thn akoloyqhsei opoios endiaferetai. Na synennohqei me ton idiokthth toy staqmoy, na ypoballei ta xartia toy sto ESR kai na parei egkrish agoras toy sygkekrimenoy staqmoy.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epanelqw sthn prwth apanthsh sas. Me entypwsiase ayto poy eipate: Ayto to paramyqi to exw janakoysei. Apantwntas se erwthsh an h kybernhsh exei kapoia epafh me enan epixeirhmatia poy sthn prokeimenh periptwsh legetai Kokkalhs. Einai kako h kybernhsh na exei kapoia epafh me enan epixeirhmatia; Allwste, sto prosfato parelqon kapoioi epixeirhmaties episkefqhkan ton k. Karamanlh sto Megaro Majimoy kai eixan mia synergasia gia na yparjei anaptyjh sth xwra. Poio einai to paramyqi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antimetwpizoyme oloys toys epixeirhmaties to idio. H erwthsh den htan akribws ayth poy lete eseis. H erwthsh htan ``an ta exoyme brei me enan epixeirhmatia''. Kanw laqos;

BLAXOS: An ta exete brei, gia na swqei o FLASH. Ayto profanws rwthqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H erwthsh htan opws sas th lew. Kai malista yphrje synexeia ths erwthsews me to STOIXHMA kai mia seira ypoqesewn poy eixan grafei, eipwqei, akoysqei thn periodo ekeinh. Otan ekleise oristika to qema, legontas oti qa thrhqoyn aysthra ta asymbibasta stamathse bebaia to paramyqi. Jananoije twra. Apanthsa. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero. Se o,ti afora toys epixeirhmaties sas epishmainw kai pali ayto poy exei pei polles fores o Prwqypoyrgos: Blepoyme kai antimetwpizoyme oloys toys epixeirhmaties to idio. Emeis den kanoyme diakriseis opws ekane h prohgoymenh kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Kai ton k. Kokkalh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oloys toys epixeirhmaties.

PAPAGIANNHS: Na kanw mia erwthsh me dyo skelh. Symfwneite me thn apofash ths ERT na kocei th synenteyjh toy Alejandroy Giwtopoyloy; Sas rwtw giati hsastan kai palaiotera synadelfos mas. Kai deyteron, h ayjhsh toy antapodotikoy teloys sthn ERT pragmatopoihqhke gia na pairnei o k. Papadopoylos kai h k. Papadopoyloy 15.000 kai 17.000 eyrw to mhna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei se antistoixa erwthmata tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Den qa pw tipota perissotero apo ayta poy exw pei.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw kat` arxhn an qa pate sth Boylh gia na apanthsete se ena erwthma poy sas exoyn ypoballei apo xqes o k. Xythrhs kai o k. Papaiwannoy. Qa dwsete apanthsh ekei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantote apantw se erwthseis poy moy ypoballontai sth Boylh. Eite einai erwthseis poy oi apanthseis opws problepetai apo ton kanonismo ginontai graptws, eite epikaires kai ginontai proforika.

SARANTAKOS: Poio einai to sxolio sas na mas dwsete tote mia geysh kai edw. To sxolio sas gia to syndyasmo poy kanoyn oi eperwtwntes boyleytes oti me mia anablhtikothta h opoia parathreitai apo thn pleyra sas, gia to nomosxedio toy basikoy metoxoy, gia to nomosxedio gia th sygkentrwsh twn Meswn to opoio egw, exw akoysei oti qa katetiqeto to kalokairi kai exei perasei to kalokairi. Syn mia apaqeia me thn opoia mexri xqes toylaxiston, giati shmera blepoyme mia allh stash, antimetwpizetai to qema toy FLASH, dhmioyrgeitai ena qolo topio sta MME;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton: Sas epistrefw eis oloklhron to xarakthrismo ``apaqeia''. Einai prosblhtikos gia emena kai sas ton epistrefw eis oloklhron. Deyteron: Se o,ti afora to radiothleoptiko topio, oi teleytaioi oi opoioi mporoyn na egkalesoyn th shmerinh kybernhsh einai aytoi poy dhmioyrghsan ayth thn anarxia. Aytoi poy ekleinan to mati kaqe fora ston tropo me ton opoio qa edinan adeies se radiofwna h thleoraseis. Aytoi oi opoioi afhsan na perasei seira etwn -17 xronia sthn thleorash kai 20 xronia sxedon sto radiofwno- kai den edwsan adeies. Me monh ejairesh thn adeiodothsh twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn ths Aqhnas. Aytoi loipon poy sxedon dyo dekaeties den ekanan tipote gia na lysoyn ta problhmata poy dhmioyrghqhkan sto radiothleoptiko topio erxontai shmera na egkalesoyn thn kybernhsh, h opoia exei perigracei safws ta bhmata me ta opoia qa kinhqei. Se oti afora ayto poy eipate gia to kalokairi, exete dikio. Ontws eixa pei oti to kalokairi qa einai etoimo to nomosxedio gia th sygkentrwsh. Eixa omws pei oti ta bhmata einai poly sygkekrimena. Prwton einai o basikos metoxos, akoloyqei h sygkentrwsh kai sth synexeia oi ryqmiseis gia tis adeiodothseis. Efoson den exei kleisei to qema toy basikoy metoxoy, den proxwrhse tipote allo. Epishs se ayto exw apanthsei kai edw kai sthn Boylh.

SARANTAKOS: Me sygxwreite, epeidh hdh eida enan ekneyrismo, h ``apaqeia'' einai ena sxolio diko moy. Den yparxei logos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gi ayto kai sas to epestreca eis oloklhron.

SARANTAKOS: H seira ths kataqeshs twn nomosxediwn, thn allaje ayto to opoio synebh me to basiko metoxo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa xqes.

BLAXOS: Mas xrwstate mia apanthsh gia th mafia twn telwneiwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete dikio. Exw epikoinwnhsei hdh me to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Tis epomenes wres qa ekdoqei analytikh anakoinwsh gia to qema sto opoio anaferqhkate xqes.

BLAXOS: Gia poio logo kaqysterei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. Yparxei politiko qema. Dioti ayto to gegonos egine 15 Aygoystoy, twra exoyme 6 Oktwbrioy, den exei enhmerwqei kanenas gi ayto to gegonos. Rwthsame xqes esas, mas yposxeqhkate oti qa apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio, to ypoyrgeio apo xqes sfyrizei adiafora kai mexri ayth th stigmh pali sfyrizei adiafora endexomenws se ligo na exoyme thn anakoinwsh. Alla den qewreite oti yparxoyn politikes eyqynes gi ayth thn kwlysiergia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, yparxei qema. Kai ennow thn oysia toy qematos, thn opoia xqes mas perigracate me safhneia. To ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, qa ekdwsei analytikh anakoinwsh. Exei epilhfqei ths ypoqeshs kai o Eisaggeleas, exoyn ginei ereynes, yparxei se ejelijh ereyna. Gia tis opoies leptomereies, qa enhmerwqeite apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me aformh shmerino dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``BHMA'' gia kataggelies enos telwneiakoy ypallhloy, oi opoies exoyn fqasei me th morfh epistolhs kai ston dieyqynth toy Politikoy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Staikoyra oti apokalyce h toylaxiston epixeirhse na apokalycei ena skandalo ston xwro twn telwneiwn kai telika ekeino poy katorqwse einai na ekdiwxqei kai opws kataggellei o idios me entolh twn proistamenwn toy kai endexomenws kai toy k. Regkoyza.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqes oti efqase tetoia kataggelia sto dieyqynth toy Politikoy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios th diabibase amesws sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Einai epishs alhqes -an den to gnwrizete na to plhroforhqeite parakalw twra- oti diejagetai kai ekei ereyna. Me apofash toy Eisaggelea o sygkekrimenos ypallhlos, opws me plhroforhsan apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn eteqh -me apofash toy Eisaggelea epanalambanw- ektos ayths ths ereynas. Gia perissoteres leptomereies parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixa rwthsei kai alles fores kai moy eixate pei oti qa rwthsete kai qa moy apanthsete gia to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, ean qa dwsei entolh gia na parembei o eisaggeleas sxetika me tis mizes poy phran kapoioi prwhn Prwqypoyrgoi kai ypoyrgoi apo thn etaireia QALHS, opws kathggelle prwhn dieyqynwn symboylos ths etaireias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei. Den exei allajei tipota se ayta poy exw pei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Moy eixate pei oti qa rwthsete to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs ean eixe dwsei entolh o ypoyrgos kai moy eipate oti qa moy apanthsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa exw apanthsh entos ths hmeras.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean meta thn apofash toy StE gia thn syntagmatikothta toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos toy k. Paylopoyloy gia th monimopoihsh twn symbasioyxwn qewreite pws dhmioyrgeitai ena prohgoymeno se o,ti afora toys neoys symbasioyxoys poy hdh apasxoloyntai gia na kalycoyn alles anagkes toy Dhmosioy. Ean ektima h kybernhsh oti ayto to prohgoymeno qa thn odhghsei kai se nea nomoqetikh ryqmish, poy qa monimopoihsei to neo kyma symbasioyxwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste se plhrofories poy eidan shmera to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Otan h kybernhsh exei sta xeria ths thn oristikh apofash, qa th sxoliasei.

SPYRAKH: Eixe kai deytero skelos h erwthsh moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To deytero skelos synartatai apo to prwto. Kata synepeia, sas lew oti qa perimenoyme thn apofash toy StE.

XIWTHS: O Epitropos k. Almoynia poy brisketai sthn Aqhna kai synantatai ayth thn wra me ton Prwqypoyrgo ekfrazei entones epifylajeis gia thn titlopoihsh twn lhjiproqesmwn xrewn. To prwto erwthma einai, ean h kybernhsh riskarei me ayth thn praktikh kapoies nees kyrwseis apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph h ean ayto ginetai se symfwnia me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai deyteron, ean h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios apodokimaze sto parelqon, tetoioy eidoys praktikes oikonomikhs politikhs, emfanizetai twra anakoloyqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto erwthma qewrw oti exw apanthsei. O k. Almoynia brisketai ontws sthn Aqhna gia syzhthseis sxetika me thn oikonomia. Einai gnwsth h eyaisqhsia toy k. Almoynia. Allwste, sas qymizw, oti htan arxhgos toy Sosialistikoy Kommatos ths Ispanias kai ypochfios Prwqypoyrgos. Eixe mia seira poly kalwn epafwn me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias. Ayth thn wra synantatai me ton Prwqypoyrgo. H kybernhsh kineitai entos toy plaisioy twn kanonwn ths E.E. Qa perimenoyme thn oristikh apanthsh shmera h ayrio. Ayto poy synebh kai se alles xwres, qa symbei kai sthn Ellada. Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, diabasa kapoy shmera oti o Prwqypoyrgos, ws arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs, alla elege gia tis titlopoihseis. Qa parakalesw opoion prospaqei anadifwntas to arxeio na anakalycei diafores, na perilambanei plhrws tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O tote arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs kai shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos eixe kataggeilei to PASOK gia mia seira energeiwn, opws einai oi plasmatikoi proypologismoi -energeies poy apodeixqhkan apo thn idia thn E.E. kata thn prosfath apografh- kaqws kai gia tiplopoihseis mellontikwn esodwn. Agoraze, dhladh, to PASOK apo to mellon. H titlopoihsh sthn opoia protiqetai na proxwrhsei h shmerinh kybernhsh afora xreh parelqontwn etwn. Einai allo, loipon, na agorazw apo to mellon, ekei poy den yparxoyn xrhmata kai na titlopoiw ta esoda apo to laxeio, gia paradeigma kai allo na prospaqw ws kratos na parw pisw ta xrhmata poy xrwstoyn apo to parelqon diaforoi, titlopoiwntas ta bebaiwmena xreh toy parelqontos. Einai teleiws diaforetiko to ena me to allo.

SPYRAKH: Den problhmatizei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti to klima poy yparxei sthn Epitroph kai ekfrasthke apo ton k. Almoynia einai enantion twn metrwn mias xrhsews, dhladh, o k. Almoynia sthn pragmatikothta ayto poy ypainissetai einai oti oi diarqrwtikes allages prepei na ginoyn kai oxi na titlopoioyntai xreh toy parelqontos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy dinete thn eykairia na pw -giati sto prwto skelos exw apanthsei- oti o k. Almoynia ekane xqes kai alles dhlwseis. Qa sas diabasw ena apospasma dhlwsewn toy, gia paradeigma, poy afora to elleimma: Elpizw oti to 2006 ta pragmata qa einai kala kai sto telos ths xronias qa exei meiwqei to dhmosionomiko elleimma katw apo to 3% toy AEP. Erxetai, loipon, o armodios Epitropos ths Koinothtas gia ta oikonomika kai dhlwnei oti mesa se dyo xronia qa exei epiteyxqei o stoxos poy eqese h kybernhsh. Qewrw oti einai poly shmantikh epishmansh, giati apanta sto erwthma sas oti h kybernhsh me diarqrwtikes allages prospaqei na lysei ta problhmata toy parelqontos.

XIWTHS: O k. Almoynia den to dhlwnei, to elpizei. Metajy toy ``elpizw'' kai toy ``apodexomai'', yparxei diafora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. Omws, yparxei diafora metajy toy ``aporriptw'' kai toy ``den eimai enqermos yposthrikths kapoioy''. Dioti akoysa tis dyo teleytaies hmeres -kai oxi apo esas proswpika- ayto poy eipe o k. Almoynia oti dhladh den einai enqermos yposthrikths twn titlopoihsewn. Titlopoihseis poy exoyn ginei se alles xwres ths E.E. metafrasthke kai diabibasthke, eipwqhke ws antiqesh toy k. Almoynia.

XIWTHS: Profanws etsi einai opws to lete. Ekfrazei mia dysareskeia omws giati o xronos poy epilegei na to ekfrasei exei politikh shmasia. O k. Almoynia ekfrazei dysareskeia gia mia praktikh poy epilegei h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ayth th frash den diakrinw dysareskeia.

XIWTHS: Einai dikh moy ermhneia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diafwnw me ayth thn ermhneia.

XIWTHS: To erwthma moy einai to ejhs: Prwton, ean h kybernhsh exei erqei se synennohsh kai telikws qa apodexqei h E.E. ayth thn praktikh ths titlopoihshs twn lhjiproqesmwn ofeilwn kai deyteron, ean ayta ta lhjiproqesma xreh den katastei dynato na ejoflhqoyn. Poio einai to enallaktiko sxedio gia na mhn katastei elleimmatikos o neos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeitai oti me to ``ean'' den qa sas apanthsw. Alla, oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, ean zhtate xronodiagramma, sas lew oti ayth einai mia diadikasia poy qa exei oloklhrwqei ws thn kataqesh toy proypologismoy.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh qa eyxaristhsei dhmosia ton k. Almoynia gia th bohqeia poy ths prosferei, anoigontas dromoys gia nea paketa metrwn, eite fetos gia to elleimma, eite sth synexeia gia ergasiako kai asfalistiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den synhqizoyme na eyxaristoyme dhmosia kai dh sosialistes, oi opoioi einai men shmantikoi politikoi ston topo toys, alla exoyn mian allh proseggish sta pragmata. Xairomai poy h proseggish toy k. Almoynia apo thn ideologikh pleyra poy blepei ta pragmata, brisketai poly konta sthn dikh mas politikh praktikh. Xairomai giati ayto deixnei kai thn eyaisqhsia toy idioy, alla kai thn eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs enanti twn ergazomenwn.

KAKALHS: Mesw toy k. Almoynia perimenete na epibebaiwqeite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den perimename na epibebaiwqoyme, mesw enos Epitropoy, o opoios einai poly shmantikh proswpikothta kai kanei poly kalh doyleia. Sas lew omws oti xairomai dioti enas anqrwpos poy einai sto antipalo ideologiko stratopedo, erxetai kai epibrabeyei me ton tropo toy tis prospaqeies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akoma ki ean egkriqei h meqodos ths titlopoihshs twn ofeilwn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph ekeino poy anakyptei einai ena praktiko erwthma, pws einai toso bebaih h kybernhsh kai to epiteleio toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn oti qa eisprajei telika ayta ta xreh, akoma ki ean einai toy parelqontos. Giati an den kanw laqos to elleimma einai arketa megalo, aggizei ta 4 dis eyrw. Kai to xroniko diasthma einai ejisoy dysanaloga mikro, einai enas xronos. Einai toso bebaih h kybernhsh oti qa eisprajei ayta ta xreh; Sthn periptwsh poy den ta eisprajei den qa ypoxrewqei na parei nea forologika metra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto apantatai apo to an kaneis gnwrizei ti akribws shmainei titlopoihsh. Bebaiws, otan qa ginei titlopoihsh qa eispraxqoyn.

SPYRAKH: Profanws to kalo senario einai na egkrinei h Eurostat to aithma gia titlopoihsh kai na prospaqhsete na ta eisprajete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati den perimenete na teleiwsei o xronos kai na doyme ean qa egkriqoyn h oxi.

SPYRAKH: To kako senario leei oti den to egkrinei h Eurostat h katalhgoyme opws h Portogalia, den eimaste se qesh na plhrwsoyme ta xreh meta. Yparxei enallaktiko senario gia na kleisei to elleimma to 2006 katw apo to 3% kai ti perilambanei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ypoyrgeio Oikonomias exei frontisei na sxediasei strathgika thn poreia gia thn beltiwsh ths oikonomias sta epomena xronia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me ti orizonta, an epitrepetai; Syggnwmh, eipate ``ta epomena xronia'' kai epeidh to qema einai praktiko kai sobaro, me ti orizonta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Blepw oti ejegeireste. Exei apanthqei to qema. Ews to telos toy 2006 na exei meiwqei to elleimma katw apo to 3%.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eseis milate gia ta epomena xronia. Qa erqoyn ta epomena xronia. Qa einai dyo, sth lhjh ths tetraetias, meta th lhjh ths tetraetias; Na ginw pio sygkekrimenos: Dhladh, ton syndyasmo ayto, mexri pote ton exete kanei ws kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoyste, omws, kai thn apanthsh, giati lete oti gineste sygkekrimenos, oson afora thn erwthsh sas, enw exei prohghqei h apanthsh moy, poy htan epishs sygkekrimenh: O stoxos einai ws ton Dekembrio toy 2006 na exei meiwqei to elleimma katw apo to 3%.

TSIODRAS: Ena apo ta metra ta opoia syzhtoyntai -kai bebaiws exei anoijei h kybernhsh syzhthsh- einai to Asfalistiko. Leei oti den qa kataqesei kapoio nomosxedio twra, mexri to telos ths tetraetias, wstoso h syzhthsh ginetai profanws gia na lhfqoyn kapoia prosqeta metra. Qelw na rwthsw, loipon, an sto trapezi, sth syzhthsh, qa teqei to zhthma oriwn hlikias kai eisforwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei se ola ayta ta qemata gia to Asfalistiko, polles fores. Den exw tipota kainoyrgio.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na epanelqw ston FLASH. Mas diabasate prohgoymenws ena apospasma apo kapoio keimeno toy prokatoxoy sas. To prwto moy erwthma einai ean to yioqeteite, giati egw ayto katalaba. Ean to yioqeteite, blepoyn oti, dyo-tria xronia poy dierreysan ektote, oi anqrwpoi toy PLANET, einai ston aera. Ti protiqeste na kanete; To oti ``an pwleitai h epixeirhsh, as pwlhqei'', to lew ki egw ayto. Den xreiazetai na eimai ypoyrgos. Ti protiqeste na kanete gia na mh xasoyn oi anqrwpoi th doyleia toys, ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa kai xqes oti prospaqoyme na laboyme oles tis aparaithtes pronoies -sto plaisio poy mporei mia Politeia na parei pronoies gia mia idiwtikh epixeirhsh- prokeimenoy na mh xasoyn th doyleia toys ergazomenoi. Kai sas lew oti egine mia oloklhrh syzhthsh, oti dhqen den pwleitai o staqmos k.o.k., akoysthkan diafora senaria apisteyths episthmonikhs fantasias. Xqes to meshmeri, hdh, ekproswpos ths ergodosias eixe pei sto ESR oti o staqmos pwleitai. Kai ekdoqhke anakoinwsh shmera. Efoson, loipon, breqei epixeirhmatias kai agorasei to staqmo, qa eimaste oloi eytyxismenoi, oloi xaroymenoi. Kai eipa makari na breqei epixeirhmatias apo to xwro twn MME, makari na einai dhmosiografoi aytoi poy qa ton analaboyn. Gia to prwto erwthma poy qesate, aplws to epeshmana gia na deijw poia einai h diafora twn dhlwsewn toy xqes me dhlwseis toy shmera kapoiwn stelexwn toy PASOK. Den htan proswpikh aixmh ston k. Prwtopapa, giati den akoysa ton idio na milaei -to epishmainw ayto- gia to qema. Htan anafora se mia seira allwn stelexwn toy PASOK poy alla elegan xqes kai alla lene shmera.

IWANNOY: Sto idio qema. Prin apo ligh wra, sth Boylh, egine mia protash sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias apo ton prwhn Proedro ths Boylhs Apostolo Kaklamanh, thn opoia dexqhkan kai ta ypoloipa melh: Na sas zhthsoyn, opoy yparxei nomoqetiko keno, na to kalycei h Boylh kai malista egine h protash na ferete mia nomoqetikh ryqmish, symfwna me thn opoia qa yparxei to dikaiwma protimhshs ek meroys twn ergazomenwn toy FLASH, gia na dialejoyn ton epixeirhmatia, o opoios qa qelhsei na parei ton staqmo. Skepteste na proxwrhsete se aythn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa akoysw thn protash, giati den gnwrizw pws akribws exei ginei kai bebaiws qa apanthsw.

BLAXOS: Sth Boylh, o Proedros ths Olympiakhs k. Papagewrgioy, epanelabe thn apoch toy oti ean breqei enas o opoios qa analabei ta xreh, qa ejasfalisei qeseis ergasias kai qa anaptyjei thn etairia, mporei na agorasei thn O.A. kai me ena eyrw. Symfwnei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia thn Olympiakh exw pei polla pragmata. Den qa sxoliasw, ean kai efoson etsi lexqhke -opws to metaferete- apo ton k. Papagewrgioy. Opws kai na eixe ginei den qa sxoliaza.

PAPAGIANNHS: H shmerinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Tatoylh, afora thn poreia twn ergwn toy sygkekrimenoy ypoyrgeioy h ta dhmosieymata gia tis plhrofories poy ws dhmosiografiko stoxo exoyn ton k. Tatoylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Tatoylhs einai yfypoyrgos Politismoy. O Prwqypoyrgos kai ypoyrgos Politismoy synergazetai syxna me ton yfypoyrgo kai fysika kai me thn Anaplhrwtria ypoyrgo.

XIWTHS: Kyrie ypoyrge, prin apo ligo, o epikefalhs ths DAKE, o k. Poypakhs, epiteqhke ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Sas lew dyo fraseis poy eipe: Prwton, ``den exei o k. Papoylias th dhmokratikothta toy prokatoxoy toy'' kai deyteron, ``den jexna thn kommatikh toy katagwgh''. Qa hqela na sxoliasete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na egine ayth h dhlwsh. Se kaqe periptwsh, asxetws toy an egine h den egine, o shmerinos Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai sebastos apo th syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn. Einai enas anqrwpos o opoios me thn poreia toy thn proswpikh kai thn politikh, exei deijei hqos, synepeia, apofasistikothta. Einai enas politikos ton opoio sebomaste kai timoyme oloi mas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me sygxwreite poy epembainw toso poly sta oikonomika, alla einai kai to qema twn hmerwn. Eipate oti to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias exei frontisei na sxediasei strathgika thn poreia ths oikonomias gia ta epomena xronia. Qelw, loipon, na rwthsw ean, sto strathgiko ayto sxediasmo, symperilambanetai gia to epomeno etos ayjhsh twn emmeswn forwn kai toy syntelesth toy FPA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakalesw na apeyqyneste sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias. Se o,ti afora ta ``metra'', exw apanthsei kai alles fores kai den qa pw tipota perissotero.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia tis plhrofories poy dhmosieyqhkan shmera, oti h Agkyra epanejetazei, blepei qetika to endexomeno ths epanaleitoyrgias ths Sxolhs ths Xalkhs. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai stis ypoxrewseis ths, opws aytes diatypwqhkan stis symbaseis poy exei ypogracei h Toyrkia, sth diadikasia toy odikoy xarth gia na ginei melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa moy epitrecete, epeidh den exw katalabei akribws sto qema toy FLASH. Ayto poy gnwrizw egw einai oti xqes o idiokthths eipe, epishmws, pws ton kleinei. Shmera, meta tis ejelijeis poy yphrxan, leei oti mporei kai na mhn ton kleinei, arkei na toy ginei protash. Ayto einai to ena skelos. To deytero einai oti parenebhsan kapoioi boyleytes kai toy kybernwntos kommatos kai toy alloy kai eipan oti mporei na breqei mia lysh me nomoqetikh ryqmish, h opoia qa einai diakommatikh. Egw qewrw -epeidh eipate sthn arxh oti qa akoloyqhqei mia nomimh diadikasia- oti ayth einai mia nomimh diadikasia, poy apla epafietai sthn kybernhsh, bebaiws me th diakommatikh synainesh. To erwthma einai: ean o epixeirhmatias, para tis ypanaxwrhseis toy kai ta kolpa toy, epimeinei sto kleisimo, einai diateqeimenh h kybernhsh na bohqhsei mia tetoia lysh; Giati, jerete oti ean o staqmos kleisei gia ena mhna, dyo h treis, sthn oysia exei xasei thn opoia ajia toy. Ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero skelos exw apanthsei. Sto prwto skelos, qa sas pw oti xqes, me epishmh anakoinwsh toy ESR, o ekproswpos toy epixeirhmatia dhlwse oti einai anoikta ola ta endexomena. Ara, ayto poy moy lete, oti akoysate mia dhlwsh k.lp., den jerw poy thn akoysate, den jerw poy egine. Otan o ekproswpos toy epixeirhmatia leei ``anoikta ola ta endexomena'', shmainei oti einai anoikto to endexomeno na pwlhqei. Shmera bghke epishmh anakoinwsh poy leei ayto. Ara, loipon, den mporw na sas apanthsw kati perissotero ep` aytoy. Exete parei ws dedomeno ena qema, to opoio me bash tis epishmes dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei apo to ESR, alla kai sthn anakoinwsh ths etairias poy exei sthn idiokthsia ths ton FLASH, den isxyei ayto poy lete.

GKOYTZANHS: Entajei, kai oi dyo profanws paraplanhqhkame me @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy eipate kati teleiws diaforetiko, sas lew oti den isxyei kai moy lete ``entajei''.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai eseis otan kanate xqes th dhlwsh -giati h arxikh sas dhlwsh gia ton FLASH htan prin ginei h opoiadhpote erwthsh- eipate oti ``lypoymai poy enhmerwnomai gia to oti kleinei enas staqmos''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

GKOYTZANHS: Profanws, eixate kai eseis thn idia kakh plhroforhsh poy eixame kai emeis. Etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

GKOYTZANHS: @H ypanaxwrhse o epixeirhmatias. Ayto eipa. Alla, telos pantwn, egw lew oti anejarthta toy ti qa kanei o epixeirhmatias, eseis eiste diateqeimenos na deite mia nomoqetikh ryqmish me synainesh twn allwn kommatwn; Ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa akoysw tis protaseis. Den qa sas koyrasw gia mia akomh fora legontas sas gia to topio twn radiothleoptikwn meswn, gia th nomoqesia, gia tis anagkaies allages k.o.k. Qa meinw se ayta poy exw pei mexri twra.

Sas eyxaristw.

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