Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-04-20

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Aqhna, 20 Aprilioy 2005

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Ews otoy sas diabasw to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa sas dianemhqei apo toys synergates moy ena eggrafo. Einai ena enhmerwtiko shmeiwma to opoio parelhfqh arga xqes to brady apo th monimh antiproswpeia mas stis Bryjeles, gia to Basiko Metoxo. Den einai h epistolh ths Komision, alla ena enhmerwtiko shmeiwma, gia to opoio qa sas pw orismena pragmata amesws meta.

O Prwqypoyrgos apesteile shmera sygxarhthria epistolh pros to neoeklegenta Papa Benedikto. Me thn epistolh toy, o k. Karamanlhs eyxetai h qhteia toy neoy Pontifika na einai makra, eydokimh kai plhrhs prospaqeiwn, empneomenwn apo ta Xristianika idanika gia thn prowqhsh ths eirhnhs, ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs kai twn dikaiwmatwn toy anqrwpoy.

Sto plaisio twn epafwn toy me boyleytes toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei shmera sto Megaro Majimoy, diadoxika, me toys Mixalh Mpekirh, Giwrgo Papagewrgioy, Giwrgo Kasapidh, Aqanasio Dabakh kai Xristiana Kaloghroy.

Ayrio stis 09:30 qa synanthqei me ton prwhn Prwqypoyrgo ths Rwsias kai nyn Proedro toy Rwsikoy Emporikoy kai Biomhxanikoy Epimelhthrioy, Gebgeni Primakof. Stis 10:30 qa exei synergasia me ton Yfypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Xristo Fwlia kai stis 13:30 qa synanthqei me ton prwhn Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Miltiadh Ebert.

Se o,ti afora to shmeiwma poy sas dianemhqhke: Einai ena enhmerwtiko shmeiwma apo ton Geniko Dieyqynth Perifereiakhs Politikhs ths Komision, k. Graham Meadows. Apo to enhmerwtiko ayto shmeiwma- epanalambanw oti den einai apanthsh sthn epistolh poy anamenoyme- ejagei kaneis ta ejhs symperasmata: Yparxei problhma gia thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai me toys dyo nomoys gia to basiko metoxo, opws synhqisame na toys onomazoyme. Ypogrammizetai to endexomeno na mh doqoyn epidothseis se koinotika erga, ta opoia empiptoyn stoys nomoys aytoys.

Qelw na epishmanw gia mia akomh fora oti to zhthma ths symbatothtas twn ryqmisewn gia to basiko metoxo me to Eyrwpaiko Dikaio den einai twrino. Opws qa deite kai sthn epistolh, exei prokycei edw kai toylaxiston dyo xronia, opote kai jekinhse o dialogos metajy Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs kai ellhnikwn kybernhsewn. Qa eyxomastan aytos o dialogos na eixe enisxyqei apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Den egine. Emeis kaname tis prospaqeies poy eprepe na kanoyme kai synexizoyme. Anamenoyme thn apanthsh ths Komision. Sto plaisio to opoio sas dhlwsa kai xqes, dhladh ths ejeyreshs enos koinoy topoy, h kybernhsh kineitai panw se dyo dromoys eqnikoy symferontos. O men prwtos dromos einai na yperaspistoyme to Syntagma mas. Sto enhmerwtiko shmeiwma den ginetai anafora sto Syntagma, ginetai anafora stoys nomoys. O deyteros dromos einai na yperaspistoyme ta koinotika kondylia poy diatiqentai apo thn Koinothta pros th xwra mas gia megala koinotika erga. To eqniko ayto symferon -opws eipa kai xqes- mporei ayth th stigmh na badizei se dyo parallhloys dromoys. O stoxos einai na ejeyreqei o koinos topos, na symbadizoyn aytoi oi dyo dromoi, kapoia stigmh na temnontai aytoi oi dyo dromoi. Se kamia periptwsh den allazei o strathgikos stoxos, opws xqes eixa thn eykairia na to epanalabw me kathgorhmatiko tono gia pollosth fora. Kai qa to pw kai shmera: H kybernhsh, se kamia periptwsh, den egkataleipei ton agwna gia th diafaneia. H ejeyresh koinoy topoy me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph einai to zhtoymeno sth fash poy briskomaste.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Epishmainetai o kindynos na kopoyn koinotika kondylia gia ta erga poy xrhmatodotoyntai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, ap` o,ti mas eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epishmainetai to endexomeno na mh doqoyn koinotikes epidothseis gia koinotika erga.

TSIODRAS: Pws qa to antimetwpisei ayto h kybernhsh; Skeftetai na labei kapoia metra se sxesh me to nomo, dhladh anastolh efarmoghs, epimhkynsh metabatikhs periodoy h kati allo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa kai xqes, prospaqoyme na broyme ton koino topo. Opws qa deite kai apo to enhmerwtiko shmeiwma toy k. Meadows, yparxei mia proqesmia ews tis 31 Maioy. Apo ekeinh thn proqesmia kai meta qa arxisei na anazhtei kai to armodio tmhma ths Komision, alla kai oi ellhnikes yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, ean yparxei opoydhpote emplokh se sxesh me ayta poy epishmainei o k. Meadows. Elpizoyme na exei breqei o koinos topos ews tis 31 Maioy. Ean pantws den exei breqei, to ligotero qa einai na doqei mia mikrh paratash sthn enarjh ths isxyos toy nomoy. Qelw na epishmanw, gia mia akomh fora -kai ayto einai kapoio laqos poy anaferetai sto shmeiwma toy k. Meadows- oti o nomos aytos den exei teqei se efarmogh. Opws qymaste, oi metabatikes toy diatajeis eqetan se efarmogh tis diatajeis toy nomoy, meta thn pareleysh tetramhnoy apo thn hmera poy dhmosieythke sto Fyllo ths Efhmeridas ths Kybernhsews.

BLAXOS: Gi` ayto to nayagio, den yparxoyn eyqynes; O Prwqypoyrgos dhladh den qa zhthseis eyqynes apo kybernhtika stelexh gi` ayto to nayagio, sto opoio briskomaste mprosta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw epanalabei gia pollosth fora kai qa sas to janapw: Exete kaqe dikaiwma na sxoliazete, opws eseis krinete. Einai teleiws ektos pragmatikothtas ayto to opoio lete. Antilambanomai oti qelete na kanete kapoioy eidoys sxolio. Exete thn eykairia na to kanete sto Meso poy ergazeste. H kybernhsh, se kamia periptwsh, den prokeitai na kataqesei ta opla. H kybernhsh, se kamia periptwsh, den prokeitai na ypanaxwrhsei ston agwna yper ths diafaneias. Den prokeitai na egkataleicoyme ayton ton agwna kai aytapates na mhn yparxoyn se kanenan.

BLAXOS: Parapoieite thn erwthsh moy. Einai proswpikoy qematos. Egw den kanw kanena sxolio. Rwtw to ejhs: yparxei ena nayagio se mia diadikasia thn opoia jekinhse o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn epoxh poy htan antipoliteysh. Htan basikh politikh arxh, h diafaneia. Kapoioi Ypoyrgoi, loipon, ton odhghsan se laqos dromo, me apotelesma ayth th stigmh na yparxei mia diadikasia kai eseis na mas anakoinwnete oti qa yparjei paratash enarjhs enos basikoy nomoy ston opoio eixe rijei megalo politiko baros o idios o Kwstas Karamanlhs. Kai rwtw: eyqynes Ypoyrgwn, yparxoyn gi` ayto to nayagio; Qa apodoqoyn apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

SIDERHS: Dedomenoy oti o nomos eixe yposthrixqei me apolyth bebaiothta, anarwtietai kaneis, apo poy phgaze ayth h bebaiothta; Den eixate diereynhsei ayta ta proskommata poy yparxoyn; Kai den deixnei ayto proxeirothta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws kai opws qa diapistwsete, diabazontas to enhmerwtiko shmeiwma poy sas dieneima prohgoymenws- allwste eixame thn eykairia na to poyme polles fores ayto kai sth Boylh kai sto Zappeio, otan paroysiasame to nomo gia to Basiko Metoxo ton 3310 poy chfisthke sth synexeia- yphrxe mia diadikasia en ejelijei apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. H maxh ayth edideto apo emas kai den edoqh apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Dwsame th maxh gia na yperaspistoyme to Syntagma mas. Synexizoyme na th dinoyme, dioti den teleiwse tipote. Dinoyme th maxh gia na yperaspistoyme ayto poy zhta o kaqe Ellhnas poliths, dhladh na yparxoyn kanones diafaneias, kanones katapolemhshs ths diafqoras kai ths diaplokhs se ayton ton topo. Ara, loipon, h apanthsh exei doqei polles fores sto prosfato parelqon, opws epishs kai xqes, gia mia akomh fora.

XIWTHS: Ap` oti katalaba, h kybernhsh exei hdh apofasisei na dwsei mia mikrh paratash sthn enarjh isxyos toy nomoy. Apo th stigmh poy einai dedomenh h apofash sas, opws lete, kai me dedomenh thn proqesmia poy qetei h epistolh, hqela na rwthsw posh qa einai ayth h paratash; Oligwn ebdomadwn, oligwn mhnwn kai pote qa labete thn oristikh apofash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, exoyme ws tis 31 Maioy thn eykairia na synexisoyme tis diaboyleyseis me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Perimenoyme thn apanthsh ths Komision stis nomikes epishmanseis kai tis politikes epishmanseis mas poy diatypwqhkan me epistolh thn opoia dwsame sth dhmosiothta prin apo peripoy 15 hmeres. Exoyme, loipon, to xrono na synexisoyme tis diaboyleyseis. Apo thn poreia aytwn twn diaboyleysewn qa kriqei h apanthsh sto erwthma poy qesate.

POYLIDOY: Eipate prin oti to ligotero einai na doqei paratash. To perissotero poio einai kata thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa, anaferomenos sto erwthma toy k. Tsiodra, oti den qa einai ayto to megalo problhma, giati o basikos stoxos paramenei opws ton periegraca kai aytos o basikos stoxos qa yphrethqei.

XIWTHS: Ektos apo thn paratash ths enarjhs isxyos toy nomoy, h kybernhsh me bash ayta ta dedomena, dhladh tis qeseis poy ekfrazei s` ayth thn epistolh, syzhta pleon kai to endexomeno tropopoihshs toy nomoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Syzhtoyme me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh tis diafwnies mas, tis diafores mas. Otan katalhjoyme, qa anakoinwqei poia qa einai ayth h katalhjh. Den eimai se qesh apo twra na sas pw otidhpote. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei kapoies diafwnies me proseggiseis poy ginontai kai ston 3310 kai ston 3021 kai sto Syntagma mas. Exoyme pei safws oti to Syntagma mas den allazei. Ayto einai to Syntagma mas. @H en pash periptwsei den allazei me politikh apofash kamias kybernhshs. Ginetai me diadikasies, se baqos xronoy, alla den tiqetai kan to qema ayto. Exoyme pei oti prepei na yperaspistoyme to Syntagma mas. Exoyme pei oti h shmerinh kybernhsh yperaspizetai to Syntagma poly perissotero ap` oti h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, h opoia htan ekeinh poy to eishghqhke sth Boylh. Kai epanalambanw oti o N.3021 toy PASOK gia to basiko metoxo kai o N.3310 empiptoyn, oysiastika, sta osa exoyme kata kairoys pei. Oti dhladh h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh diafwnei en synolw. To blepete kai sto shmerino enhmerwtiko shmeiwma toy k. Meadows. Diabaste thn teleytaia paragrafo gia na deite oti anaferetai ston N.3021.

XIWTHS: Syggnwmh poy epimenw. Opws kai eseis eipate, h epistolh den anaferetai sto Syntagma, profanws dioti anagnwrizei oti to Syntagma den mporei na tropopoihqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to jerw ayto. Aplws epeshmana oti den anaferetai sto Syntagma. Den jerw an qa anaferetai sto Syntagma h epistolh - apanthsh ths Komision. To enhmerwtiko shmeiwma toy k. Meadows den anaferetai. Wstoso, h Komision se oles tis epistoles poy esteile mexri twra -eite sthn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, eite sth shmerinh kybernhsh- ekane safh anafora sto nomo toy PASOK kai sto Syntagma.

XIWTHS: @Ara, to pedio ths diapragmateyshs einai pleon dyo ektelestikoi nomoi toy Syntagmatos. Kai epeidh eseis exete pleon thn eyqynh, ennow h kybernhsh, einai logiko to erwthma an peran ths anastolhs ths isxyos poy einai ena prwto bhma, profanws qa prepei na proxwrhsete kai sto epomeno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, h prospaqeia ejeyreshs koinoy topoy den shmainei oti katatiqentai apoceis apo th mia kai apo thn allh pleyra kai prospaqoyme na broyme ton koino topo, dhladh poy synantwmeqa me thn Komision; Ayto ginetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy h Komision den dexetai to Syntagma mas, giati h kybernhsh proxwrhse grhgora sto na dexqei na chfisei to Eyrwsyntagma; Giati den to ``kratage'' gia ligo argotera ws meso diapragmateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. H Genikh Dieyqynsh ths Komision, epishmainei tis antirrhseis ths epi enos arqroy toy dikoy mas Syntagmatos. Emeis ofeiloyme na yperaspistoyme to Syntagma mas. Den einai ekdikhtikes diadikasies @an moy epitrepete thn ekfrash- oi opoies kinoyntai mesa sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Den pisteyoyme oti isxyei apo thn pleyra ths Komision gia kanena logo, ara den mporei na isxysei kai apo thn pleyra enos kratoys-meloys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws to dexontan tosa xronia kai twra den to dexontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi diadikasies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs einai diadikasies synaineshs. Mesa apo th synainesh proxwroyn ta pragmata sthn Koinothta apo th dekaetia toy 1950 mexri shmera.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den prolaba na diabasw oloklhrh thn epistolh Meadows. Diabazw ena apospasma ths edw, to opoio nomizw oti xrhzei kapoias dieykrinishs. ``Dhlwseis plhrwmwn poy qa ypoblhqoyn efejhs, qa prepei na symperilambanoyn pistopoihtiko twn armodiwn ellhnikwn Arxwn, oti pragmati den dhlwnontai oi dapanes sxetika me symbaseis, oi opoies exoyn ephreastei h ephreazontai apo to nomo ayto toy 2005. Oi symbaseis aytes, kaqws kai ta posa poy exoyn anaferqei@''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn koyrazeste na moy diabasete ena apospasma. Anagnwste olh thn epistolh kai qa breite sigoyra apanthseis sta erwthmata sas, eite apo emena, eite apo kapoion texnokrath, o opoios mporei na sas bohqhsei panw sta qemata ta opoia epishmainei. To pneyma, pantws, to nohma aytoy toy enhmerwtikoy shmeiwmatos einai ayto poy sas eipa prohgoymenws kai h politikh topoqethsh ths kybernhshs einai ayth poy ekana hdh sthn arxh ths enhmerwshs.

GKOYTZANHS: H erwthsh einai ean exei arxisei apo twra h diadikasia. Afoy qetei mesa to ``31h Maioy''kai meta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto sas lew, mh diabazete mono ena apospasma, diabaste oloklhro to enhmerwtiko shmeiwma.

SARANTAKOS: Milhsate gia texnokrath prin apo ligo. Me ayto moy dinete thn eykairia na rwthsw to ejhs: Enas apo toys texnokrates ths kybernhshs, o k. Paylopoylos, eixe jekinhsei ayth thn istoria legontas@

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Paylopoylos einai politiko proswpo, einai ypoyrgos. Den ypotimw thn ennoia ``texnokraths'', alla yperisxyei o oros ``politiko proswpo'' apo ton oro ``texnokraths''.

SARANTAKOS: Kai eseis xqes anagnwrisate tis ikanothtes toy kai gi` ayto qelw na rwthsw ep` aytwn. Dhladh, gia tis ikanothtes toy sto Dhmosio Dikaio kai to Syntagmatiko Dikaio. O k. Paylopoylos eixe pei, loipon, sto Zappeio oti to eqniko Dikaio yperterei toy koinotikoy Dikaioy. Malista, xqes, se mia radiofwnikh toy synenteyjh den apekleise to endexomeno na prosfygei h xwra sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio. Qa hqela ena sxolio ep` aytoy kai na rwthsw an ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai stis dyo dhlwseis stis opoies exei deijei mia xarakthristikh epimonh o k. Paylopoylos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa, h xwra qa ejantlhsei se prwth fash ta periqwria poy yparxoyn, wste na breqei o koinos topos. Ayto einai kati poy exei hdh anakoinwqei. Apo ekei kai pera, an kriqei oti prepei na xrhsimopoihqoyn kai alla mesa, bebaiws qa xrhsimopoihqoyn. H Ellada den einai h prwth xwra h h monh xwra poy mporei na exei erqei se antiparaqesh me thn Komision gia polla qemata. Kapoies apo tis antiparaqeseis aytes lynontai se epipedo texnokratwn, kapoies phgainoyn se ena ychlotero epipedo politikwn proswpwn, kapoies synexizoyn se epipedo Eyrwdikasthrioy. Exoyme polla paradeigmata poy xwres eftasan sto prwto h sto deytero h sto trito h den jerw se posa alla epipeda. @Ara, loipon, kanena endexomeno den prepei na apokleistei.

TRIKAS: Lete oti ``kanena endexomeno den mporei na apokleistei''. H diadikasia poy perigracate, omws, einai arketa xronobora. To na lyqei to qema, dhladh, sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio, efoson to krinei h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti prepei na ftasei h yperaspish toy Syntagmatos mexris aytoy toy shmeioy, hdh omws exete thn apeilh gia ta koinotika kondylia. Mporei h xwra na perimenei olo ayto to diasthma; Mhpws aplws xrhsimopoieite frastika, loipon, to qema toy Eyrwdikasthrioy, enw sthn oysia den tiqetai ek twn pragmatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei. Sas exw pei poia einai h diadikasia, sas exw pei thn politikh proseggish toy qematos kai sas exw pei ti protiqemeqa na kanoyme.

TRIKAS: Eipate oti den apokleietai kai ayto to meso na xrhsimopoihqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. Milhsa gia thn prospaqeia na ejeyreqei o koinos topos kai tis diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai hdh olo ayto to diasthma, diadikasies poy qa synexisoyn kai meta thn apostolh ths epistolhs apo thn Komision. Eseis, dhladh, an exete na diekdikhsete kati, apokleiete ola ta mesa ta opoia sas prosferontai gia na to diekdikhsete, ean den to epityxete se prwto, deytero h trito baqmo; Sas eipa kai pali oti h maxh einai mia maxh diarkhs. Me rwtoysan kapoioi se ayth thn aiqoysa, ean me to nomosxedio katapolemhqhke h diaplokh. Kai apanthsa oti ean den dinei kaneis diarkws tis maxes, den prokeitai pote na kerdisei ton polemo. To idio isxyei kai sto erwthma poy qetete. Einai mia diarkhs maxh, mia diarkhs prospaqeia.

BLAXOS: Sto pneyma ths epistolhs, ap` oti diabazw, htan, me dika toy logia, kai oi epishmanseis toy k. Soyflia pros thn kybernhsh. Tote kaneis den eixe xtyphsei kampanaki me ayta poy elege o k. Soyflias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na kanete pio sygkekrimenh thn erwthsh; Ti akribws ennoeite, giati den to katanow.

BLAXOS: O k. Soyflias eixe epishmanei stoys ypoyrgoys @se esas dhladh- oti yparxoyn aytoi oi kindynoi gia th xwra. Dhladh na xaqoyn kondylia, na mhn proxwrhsoyn ta megala erga, opws eipe kai xqes. Tote, loipon, kaneis apo thn kybernhsh den eixe labei ypoch toy tis epishmanseis toy k. Soyflia kai giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Soyflias @kai kala kanete kai me rwtate- eixe thn eykairia xqes na milhsei leptomerestata gia to pws proxwroysan ta megala erga epi kybernhsewn PASOK kai pws proxwroyn twra. Eipe, malista, polla kai endiaferonta stoixeia gia thn politikh poy akoloyqhqhke ston tomea twn ergwn apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh kai edwse stoixeia gia thn politikh poy akoloyqeitai apo th shmerinh kybernhsh. Sas qymizw oti enas apo toys prwtoys nomoys poy hrqan na antikatasthsoyn ena faylo kaqestws, to opoio ejyphretoyse th diaplokh, htan o nomos me ton opoio katarghqhke o maqhmatikos typos. O maqhmatikos typos eixe odhghsei ypoqeseis sto dikasthrio kai se plhrh anenergeia olo to systhma gia ena poly megalo xroniko diasthma. O k. Soyflias edwse, malista, kai ena sxetiko pinaka poy apodeiknyei ayta ta opoia lew. Twra, ta erga proxwroyn me aythn th nomoqetikh prwtoboylia poy allaje to maqhmatiko typo, me triplasia taxythta ap` oti prohgoymenws. Kai malista einai kai triplasia ta posa ta opoia diaqetei h shmerinh kybernhsh sta xronika diasthmata -kat` analogian panta- opoy einai sthn kybernhsh h Nea Dhmokratia.

Se oti afora tis epishmanseis poy kanate sthn arxh, den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. H ypoqesh toy basikoy metoxoy ws nomosxedioy, syzhthqhke sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy eixan ginei amesws meta th synedriash ap` oloys toys ypoyrgoys.

KOYIN: Mhpws jerete gia to ycos twn kondyliwn gia ta opoia syzhtame;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An diabasete thn epistolh, qa katalabete oti den exei na kanei me kati to opoio jekina apo to parelqon, ejairesei toy N.3021 kai an prosfygei kapoios me ton N. 3021 gia ergo to opoio edoqh sto parelqon kai xaqhke sto parelqon ejaitias toy N.3021. Allwste, o N.3021 einai o en isxy nomos. Den isxyei akomh o N.3310. An loipon, opws leei h teleytaia paragrafos, yparjei kapoia prosfygh gia ton N.3021, tote qa kriqei apo thn armodia Genikh Dieyqynsh ths Komision gia thn efarmogh aytoy toy nomoy poy eixe chfistei apo to PASOK, ti eidoys kondylia eixan doqei, posa kondylia eixan doqei kai an qa prepei kapoia ap` ayta ta kondylia an eixan doqei, kakws na eixan doqei. Se oti afora to mellon: Prwton o N.3310 den einai akomh se isxy, ara den mporoyme na milame gia synepeies toy N.3310, kai edw exei na kanei me to laqos poy sas elega prohgoymenws, sto opoio anaferetai o k. Meadows. Kai deyteron, mila gia erga apo edw kai pera, ara erga poy den exoyn arxisei, me to N.3310. Otan arxisoyn kai efoson den exei breqei koinos topos, tote qa mporoyme na milhsoyme gia posa analoga me to kaqe ergo. Omws, qelw na epishmanw, gia na mh ginei kapoia paranohsh, ayto poy exw hdh pei polles fores kai shmera kai xqes: Den protiqemeqa na xasoyme oyte ena eyrw apo ta koinotika kondylia poy phgainoyn se megala erga sthn Ellada.

GALIATSATOS: Pairnw thn teleytaia sas frash, kyrie Ekproswpe. Lete oti ``den protiqemeqa na xasoyme kanena kondyli''. Kai epeidh eipate oti den anaferetai sto parelqon ayto to enhmerwtiko shmeiwma, yparxei ena shmeio to opoio anaferetai sto parelqon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh poy sas diakoptw kai diorqwnw, den to synhqizw: Eipa oti o 3310 den anaferetai sto parelqon giati tiqetai en isxy meta ton Ioynio, enw o 3021 anaferetai sto parelqon kai ekana oloklhrh analysh gia erga poy exoyn doqei me ton 3021.

GALIATSATOS: Symfwnw. Ara, epeidh lete oti den kindyneyoyn ta parelqontika@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte ayto eipa.

GALIATSATOS: Wraia. To dexomai. Leei to ejhs ayth h epistolh: ``An oi ellhnikes arxes den symmorfwqoyn me thn apofash ths Epitrophs sxetika me thn en qemati diadikasia, h Epitroph qa ejetasei an prepei na jekinhsei diadikasies gia dhmosionomikes anadiarqrwseis''. Ayto shmainei oti edw pera tiqetai ypo epanejetash to synoliko plaisio twn ergwn toy Tameioy Synoxhs -an katalabainw to pneyma ths epistolhs- an ephreazontai apo ton 3021 kai an ephreazontai apo ton 3310.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Monon efoson ephreazontai apo ton 3021 o opoios einai o en isxy nomos. O 3310 den isxyei akoma. Ara ean h epitroph brei problhmata apo ton 3021 -to nomo poy eixe chfisei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh toy PASOK- tote qa erqei na mas pei oti prepei na ginei ekeino, to allo, to trito. Lew omws, gia na prolabw kai thn erwthsh sas, oti exoyme periqwrio ews tis 31 Maioy, na broyme ton koino topo me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

GALIATSATOS: Epishmainw kati allo. Ap` oti blepw to pneyma ths Epitrophs edw, an h kybernhsh trabhjei ayth thn ypoqesh se makros kai synexisei ayth thn antiparaqesh, kindyneyei to synoliko plaisio twn xrhmatodothsewn. Einai apofasismenh h kybernhsh na kanei kati tetoio h qa parei pisw olh ayth thn istoria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh sto erwthma ayto.

SPYRAKH: H epistolh sthn proteleytaia paragrafo leei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dexomai ta erwthmata me bash thn epistolh. Sas th dieneima allwste gia na exete thn eykairia na kanete erwthseis panw se aythn. Wstoso, qa hqela na meinoyme sto geniko pneyma ths giati mporei na teqoyn erwthmata gia leptomereies kanonismwn h kanonwn ta opoia den qa laboyn apanthsh.

SPYRAKH: Oxi, den einai texnikhs fysews to erwthma moy, politiko einai. Leei loipon, afoy anaferei basei poioy arqroy toy kanonismoy kai ths apofashs toy Symboylioy klp. gia ta megala erga, oti ``Den qa einai se qesh na egkrinei megala erga ypodomwn ean oi symbaseis gia thn ylopoihsh twn ergwn aytwn exoyn ephreastei h ephreazontai apo to nomo 3310 toy 2005''. Qelw na rwthsw ean h ektimhsh sas einai oti h Epitroph qewrei oti o nomos paragei hdh apotelesmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hdh edwsa apanthsh kai fobamai oti anakyklwnoyme th syzhthsh. Eipa oti yparxei ena laqos sta osa anaferei sto enhmerwtiko toy shmeiwma o k. Meadows milwntas gia nomo poy ayth th stigmh efarmozetai. Den efarmozetai o nomos ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias gia ton aploystato logo poy eteqh sthn teleytaia toy diatajh, th metabatikh diatajh xronoy. Dhladh, h efarmogh -elege h diatajh ekeinh- toy parontos nomoy qa arxisei tesseris mhnes meta th dhmosieysh toy sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhsews. Dhladh apo tis 14 Ioynioy kai meta. Ayth th stigmh to mono zhthma poy egeiretai einai se oti afora to nomo 3021 toy PASOK. An dhladh kapoioi prosfygoyn na poyn gia to oti yphrjan apwleies xrhmatwn h apwleies dikoy toy symferontos giati efarmozotan ews twra aytos o nomos, emeis leme oti to PASOK den xeiristhke ayth thn ypoqesh kalws sto parelqon. Dhladh, den phge sthn Epitroph, na lysei ta opoia problhmata eixe me to diko toy nomo, enw antiqetws emeis poy exoyme ferei ena nomo me ton opoio se kapoia shmeia diafwnei h Komision, eimaste se dialogo mazi ths. Se kamia periptwsh den mporei na erqei kamia Genikh Dieyqynsh ths Komision kai na pei ``kobw kondylia apo thn Ellada ejaitias toy Basikoy Metoxoy poy efere h Nea Dhmokratia''. Dioti eimaste se dialogo gi` ayto to nomo, dioti aytos o nomos den exei arxisei na isxyei akoma kai dioti sas dhlwsa prohgoymenws thn proqesh na broyme ton koino topo pash qysia. O,ti dhladh kai na symbei, emeis qa broyme ton koino topo se o,ti afora ayto to qema, prokeimenoy na diafylaxqei to eqniko symferon poy ypagoreyei oti den qa xasoyme xrhmata apo ta koinotika plaisia sthrijhs.

SPYRAKH: Egw allo sas rwthsa. Sas rwthsa ean h Epitroph. Kat` arxhn eseis ektimate oti o kyrios@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwtate na sas pw mia krish thn opoia endexomenws kanei h Epitroph. Kat` arxas erwtate anarmodio. Prepei na apeyqynqeite sthn Epitroph.

SPYRAKH: Oxi. Einai politiko to qema. Sas rwtw to ejhs: O k. Meadows poy to ypografei, qewreite oti agnoei pws o sygkekrimenos nomos den einai en isxy; Me bash to sygkekrimeno keimeno bgainei oti ektima pws o nomos aytos paragei apotelesmata estw kai an brisketai sth metabatikh toy periodo. Einai krisimo ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Enas nomos o opoios den exei arxisei akomh na efarmozetai, den paragei apotelesmata. Akomh kai an kapoios mporei na yposthrijei to antiqeto, qa prepei na to pei sthn Epitroph kai h Epitroph na erqei ep` aytoy na milhsei. Wstoso o nomos den brisketai akoma se efarmogh. Pws paragei apotelesmata ton Aprilio, enas nomos poy qa arxisei na efarmozetai ton Ioynio;

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti jefeygei apo ton k. Meadows to gegonos oti den exei arxisei na efarmozetai o nomos; Dhladh eiste se dialogo gia ola ayta ta polla kai sobara kai diafeygei ths prosoxhs ths Komision oti aytos o nomos den exei jekinhsei na efarmozetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw kai den einai o dikos moy rolos na dwsw ejhghsh. Einai alhqeia oti ginetai syzhthsh me allh Genikh Dieyqynsh. H Genikh Dieyqynsh sthn opoia einai ypeyqynos o k. Meadows anaferetai sta dhmosia erga kai endexomenws yparxei kapoioy eidoys lanqasmenh plhroforhsh metajy ths mias kai ths allhs dieyqynsews. Wstoso h alhqeia einai ayth poy sas eipa kai thn gnwrizete oloi. Th gnwrizete apo tis metabatikes diatajeis kai thn chfish toy nomoy sth Boylh.

TSIODRAS: Estw oti egw exw 4,99% se mia epixeirhsh, me bash ton prohgoymeno nomo. Chfizetai loipon o sygkekrimenos nomos kai mexri tis 14 Ioynioy, egw prepei na katebasw to pososto moy katw apo 1%. An loipon egw den perimenw thn 14h Ioynioy, alla paw stis 15 Aprilioy kai katebasw to pososto moy sto 1%, ayto den shmainei oti o nomos einai se isxy; Einai paratypo an to kanw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas eseis mporeite na agorazete kai na poylate analoga me ta xrhmata poy exete kai radiofwna kai thleoraseis se pososta poy epitrepoyn oi nomoi. Ara loipon den mporw na sas apanthsw an ginetai ayto me nomimo h paranomo tropo giati egw den eimai dikhgoros kai den einai kai aytos o rolos moy.

TSIODRAS: Ara loipon, qelw na pw, oti o nomos einai se isxy kai paragei apotelesmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O nomos arxizei na efarmozetai apo tis 14 Ioynioy kai ayto einai safes.

BAGIANOS: Akomh kai an yparjei paratash enarjhs isxyos h anastolh enarjhs isxyos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata ayta poy lete. Den mila kaneis gia anastolh. Eipa prohgoymenws oti an xreiastei na metaqesoyme gia ligo xroniko diasthma thn enarjh ths isxyos toy nomoy -enos nomoy poy akomh den isxyei, opws sas eipa- ayto qa einai to ligotero. Mporei na xreiastei, mporei kai oxi. Qa ejarthqei apo th diadikasia poy einai se ejelijh me thn Komision. An dhladh h apanthsh ths Komision erqei ayrio, meqayrio h tis epomenes liges hmeres kai broyme oti sthn apanthsh ayth exoyme shmeia koinoy topoy, kanoyme mia syzhthsh mazi toys kai ws to telos h ws tis 15-20 Maioy exoyme katalhjei, tote antilambaneste oti den qa xreiastei na ginei ayto poy sas lew. Ola ejartwntai loipon apo thn katalhjh ths syzhthshs poy ejelissetai ayth th stigmh me thn Komision.

BAGIANOS: Den einai se isxy o prohgoymenos nomos gia ton opoio exoyn problhqei enstaseis -kai pali- kai antistoixes apeiles gia perikoph kondyliwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw, epishmws toylaxiston, na exoyn ypoblhqei enstaseis sthn Komision gia ton 3310. Den exoyn perielqei eis gnwsh moy. Den gnwrizw an exoyn ypoblhqei gia ton 3021. O,ti leei h epistolh pantws einai safes. O 3310 arxizei na efarmozetai apo ena xroniko diasthma kai meta. An ypoblhqoyn enstaseis, leei h teleytaia paragrafos, gia ton 3021. Ekeino poy exw na sas pw einai oti emeis dinoyme th maxh. Paleyoyme na mh xaqoyn xrhmata. Kai to kanoyme asxetws toy an einai nomos poy chfisthke apo to PASOK, asxetws toy an to PASOK eixe oligwrhsei na yperaspistei to diko toy nomo kai to Syntagma fysika -edw kai para poly kairo opws qa ofeile na kanei- sthn Komision.

LEONTITSH: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Ta pistopoihtika diafaneias poy dinontai ayth th stigmh apo to ESR dinontai basei toy nomoy toy PASOK h basei toy 3310;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Basei toy 3021, toy nomoy toy PASOK. Ma edw -kai moy dinete thn eykairia, otan eseis poy eiste dhmosiografoi kai asxoleiste kaqhmerinws, kalws kanete kai ypobalete erwthseis kai oso mporw apantw me megalyterh safhneia- yparxei mia emplokh mallon apo ekpempomena reportaz (kai den anaferomai se sygkekrimena reportaz efhmeridwn thleorasewn kai radiofwnwn) oti exei arxisei na efarmozetai o 3310 kai ti megalh katastrofh poy synebh. O,ti apotelesmata exoyme mexri stigmhs, ta exoyme ejaitias toy nomoy poy efarmozetai edw kai liga xronia.

BLAXOS: Sas akoyw synexeia na lete gia thn kybernhsh poy epimenei sth diafaneia. Eiste kybernhsh enan xrono kai kati. H diafaneia loipon einai sto xeri sas. Mporeite loipon na kanete ena diagwnismo me diafanh tropo kai na proxwrhsei h diadikasia. Giati loipon, dhmioyrgeite kindynoys gia th xwra na xaqoyn koinotika kondylia, na mh xrhmatodothqoyn erga, na kaqysterhsoyn shmantika erga mesa apo ayth th diadikasia, enw einai sto xeri sas na kanete ena diagwnismo me diafanh tropo, na proxwrhsei, na doqei to ergo, na prostateyqoyn ta xrhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy; Mhpws telika pisw apo ayth thn istoria krybetai kati allo poy den mas to lete kai den qelete na mas to peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws diatypwsate thn erwthsh sas, qa sas parakaloysa na th diatypwsete se kapoion ekproswpo toy PASOK. Epimenontas malista sto shmeio, to opoio brhka arketa xarakthristiko, ``giati dhmioyrgeite kindynoys gia th xwra na xaqoyn kondylia''. An to pisteyete, parakalw rwthste kapoion ekproswpo toy PASOK na sas apanthsei. Ayth h kybernhsh mono kindynoys gia th xwra den dhmioyrghse.

BLAXOS: Eseis to eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Jerw poly kala ti lew, gnwrizw kala ellhnika gia na mporw na diatypwnw tis ennoies opws akribws tis pisteyei h kybernhsh. Oxi opws qa hqelan kapoioi. Parakalw poly prosejte tis ennoies opws diatypwnontai, prin probeite se sxolia h se erwthseis oi opoies mallon esas bgazoyn ektos ths pragmatikothtas kai oxi thn kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Ma eseis eipate oti qa yperaspisteite ta koinotika kondylia. Den to eipa egw. Yperaspizeste kati to opoio den to exoyme kai den kindyneyei na xaqei; Ti kynhgame; Anemomyloys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xrhsimopoihsa fraseis tis opoies qymaste. Parakalw poly na tis epanalambanete me safhneia.

BLAXOS: Etsi eipate: ``Qa yperaspistoyme to Syntagma'' kai ``qa yperaspistoyme ta koinotika kondylia''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As mhn epanalambanoyme ta idia pragmata.

BLAXOS: Esas epanalambanw. Den epanalambanw egw tipota.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa prohgoymenws ``ean teqei to endexomeno na mh doqoyn epidothseis se koinotika erga'' htan h fraseologia poy xrhsimopoihsa apo thn arxh. Sas lew oti ayth h kybernhsh problepei apo twra tis diadikasies poy xreiazontai wste na mhn brei ayto to endexomeno, qetikh apanthsh. Ayto einai safes. Ara loipon, apo poy ws poy h erwthsh ``dhmioyrgeite kindynoys'';Th dhmosiografia thn askhsa 20 xronia. Dyskoles erwthseis gnwrizw ki egw na kanw kai xairomai otan tis akoyw. Eseis kanete th doyleia sas kai jerete pws na thn kanete kalytera. Parakalw omws oi erwthseis aytes na emperiexoyn ta nohmata opws ta diatypwnw kai na mh ta diastreblwnete.

BLAXOS: Se oti afora to proswpiko qema poy qesate se mena, tis idies sklhres erwthseis ekana kai epi PASOK, tis idies kanw kai twra. Alloi elegan alla epi PASOK kai alla lene twra. Mh me kalesete na ejhghsw ti ennow.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti qelete, eiste eleyqeros na to peite. Allwste kaneis den qa sas apagoreysei thn eleyqeria toy logoy se ayth thn aiqoysa kai se ayth th xwra. Omws, h eleyqeria toy logoy, jerete, den apexei poly se orismenes periptwseis analoga me ton xrhsth toy logoy, apo thn asydosia. Einai eleyqeria logoy na diatypwnei kaneis opoio erwthma, opoia krish qelei. Einai omws asydosia na diastreblwnei nohmata, ennoies dhladh, fraseis, lejeis poy me safhneia diatypwqhkan.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, ti diastreblwsa; Eseis den eipate oti qa yperaspisteite ta koinotika kondylia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den synexizw ayth thn ypoqesh. Ejhghsa eparkws. Nomizw oti dhmioyrghqhke to pentalepto ths dhmosiothtas gia to bradino deltio eidhsewn. Mporoyme na synexisoyme sta erwthmata twn ypoloipwn synadelfwn sas.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh opws fanhke kaqara apo th xqesinh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto ECONOMIST etoimazetai na qysiasei dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn sto asfalistiko kai stis ergasiakes sxeseis sto onoma ths sthrijhs ths epixeirhmatikothtas kai ths anagennhshs ths, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. To gegonos oti epi polla xronia oi epixeirhseis exoyn kerdh, alla qeseis ergasias sto onoma twn opoiwn ginontai ayta den eidame. H kybernhsh pisteyei oti ean dwsei kai alla kerdh stis epixeirhseis qa exoyme nees qeseis ergasias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos ektos apo thn epixeirhmatikothta sthn idia frash anaferqhke stis nees qeseis ergasias, stis qeseis apasxolhshs poy dhmioyrgoyntai kai poy ofeiloyme na dhmioyrghsoyme me akomh megalytero ryqmo. Hdh exei epiteyxqei apo ton armodio Ypoyrgeio shmantiko, titanio ergo kai synexizetai, den teleiwnei en mia nykti, oyte se mia mera, oyte se ena xrono. Oi perissoteres xwres toy kosmoy shmera -kai deite ti symbainei stoys alloys eyrwpaikoys laoys- antimetwpizoyn megala problhmata anergias. Ayto prospaqoyme ki emeis na antimetwpisoyme me metra poy bohqoyn th dhmioyrgia qesewn ergasias. Exoyme thn entelws antiqeth proseggish.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh symmerizetai thn ektimhsh oti to ergatiko kostos einai ayto poy eyqynetai gia to oti den ginontai proslhceis; Ara, prepei na meiwqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw apo poy to symperainete ayto. Den akoysa kapoion Ypoyrgo na mila gia meiwsh an ws ergatiko kostos anaferoyme ta eisodhmata twn ergazomenwn h tis asfalistikes eisfores toys. Giati ayta einai ta ergatika kosth.

KAKALHS: Einai kai oi asfalistikes eisfores kai to ergatiko kostos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei eipwqei kati tetoio apo thn kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: Kati poy sas afora: Xqes, kataggelqhke se mia nyxterinh thleoptikh ekpomph oti h NET eixe kanei dhmoskophsh kai enas Ypoyrgos thn esteile sta skotadia, epeidh den ton synefere. Kai otan o syntonisths eipe oti fwtografizete ton Ypoyrgo Epikrateias, poy einai o politikos proistamenos, o kataggelwn eipe: Gnwrizw poion fwtografizw. Dhladh, sas fwtografize. Qa mporoysa na sas pw kai onomata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den moy einai kaqoloy aparaithta. Qa sas pw thn apoch, poy exw epanalabei polles fores kai einai pragmatikothta. Sthn ERT apo tote poy egine kybernhsh h Nea Dhmokratia den yparxei kanenos eidoys politikh parembash apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo oyte kai apo toys alloys Ypoyrgoys. Gi ayto qa sas epanalabw oti eipa apeyqynomenos stoys boyleytes toy PASOK, otan syzhtoysame, prin apo peripoy 20 hmeres, sthn armodia Epitroph gia to diorismo toy neoy Proedroy ths ERT: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston prohgoymeno Proedro ths ERT k. Stagko, gnwsto dhmosiografo, o opoios xrhmatise toylaxiston gia oktw mhnes Proedros, apo tote poy anelabe h N.D. kybernhsh. Na kanete se ayton ayth thn erwthsh, an yphrje h opoiadhpote politikh parembash.

GKOYTZANHS: Se sxesh pali me thn epistolh: O k. Meadows -swsta eipate- bazei mia proqesmia mexri 31 Maioy. Ayth h proqesmia, omws, den zhta aplws na anastalei h efarmogh toy dikoy sas nomoy, alla kai na stamathsei na isxyei o yparxwn nomos, o nomos toy PASOK giati kai aytos dhmioyrgei problhmata. Ayto shmainei oti qa prepei h kybernhsh na jekinhsei th diadikasia katartishs enos kainoyrgioy nomosxedioy mexri tis 31 Maioy. Einai etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den einai etsi. Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, prepei na diabasete thn epistolh analytika kai me poly prosoxh. Anaferetai ston 3021 legontas oti ean paragei apotelesmata kai ayta kataggelqoyn, tote qa dhmioyrghqoyn ta problhmata poy anaferate. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, ayth h kybernhsh dhlwnei oti syzhta me thn Komision gia na brei ton koino topo. Kai dhlwnei shmera dia toy ekproswpoy ths oti h mikrh anabolh ths enarjhs isxyos -ean xreiastei ayth h anabolh- toy 3310 qa ginei prokeimenoy na breqei o koinos topos, metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ths Komision. Ara, nomizw oti den yparxei kanenos eidoys problhma, san ayto poy perigrafete.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate prin oti mporei kai na mhn gnwrizei o k. Meadows, ean exei efarmostei h efarmozetai o 3310. Kapoios prepei na ftaiei poy den exei antilhfqei h Komision to ti akribws ginetai sthn Ellada. Para to gegonos oti o k. Karamanlhs eqese to qema ston k. Mparozo, eseis mazi me alloys dyo Ypoyrgoys phgate ston koinotiko ypallhlo -opws eixate pei ton k. Saoymp- o k. Paylopoylos eide ton k. Mak Gkribi, poios den exei dwsei akribws thn eikona; Eseis h h Komision den exei katalabei akoma ti ginetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den qa epitimoysa thn Komision opws kanete eseis. Qa elega oti h Komision den einai mia yphresia poy ejantleitai se mia aiqoysa 10 tetragwnikwn. Einai mia terastia yphresia poy anaferetai se 25 xwres me xiliades ypallhloys me megales kai polles grafeiokratikes kai alles diadikasies. Den qa dwsw ejhghsh giati synebh ayto poy parathrhsa prohgoymenws sto enhmerwtiko shmeiwma toy k. Meadows. Allwste, den einai aytos o rolos moy. Yparxoyn alloi armodioi sthn Komision poy mporoyn na erwthqoyn kai na sas dwsoyn apanthsh.

SARANTAKOS: Fantazomai oti antilambaneste omws oti otan exei steilei mia epistolh enas koinotikos ajiwmatoyxos qa prepei na rwthsei. Ypoqetw oti rwthse kai phre kapoies apanthseis, apo tis opoies profanws den kalyfqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta teleytaia xronia oi Ellhnes dhmosiografoi exoyn synomilies me thn Komision, pairnoyn apeyqeias apanthseis, yparxei ekproswpos Typoy. Exw diapistwsei me poly xara thn poly kalh sxesh poy yparxei. Kai to lew me eilikrineia ayto, giati ena kratos-melos qa prepei na noiwqei pragmatiko melos mias oikogeneias. Mporeite na apeyqynete to erwthma sas ston ekproswpo Typoy ths Komision kai eimai bebaios oti qa sas dwsei apanthsh.

GALIATSATOS: Edw, pantws, prokyptei ena shmantiko politiko erwthma kai einai to ejhs: Ap` o,ti katalabainw h Komision sas leei mhn efarmosete to nomo ton opoio exete chfisei giati den mporoyme na ton dexqoyme, qa sas kocoyme kondylia. Sas leei, epishs, oti akoma kai o nomos poy eixe chfisei to PASOK, o opoios einai, kat` esas, diatrhtos kai ton opoio eseis qewroysate paraqyro gia thn diaplokh kai oti einai poly xalaros k.lp., oyte aytos einai apodektos, giati einai problhmatikos me to koinotiko dikaio. Ti qa kanete; Qa pate ton basiko metoxo sto 30%, qa katarghsete tis diatajeis gia ta parenqeta proswpa; Ti akribws protiqetai na kanei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanalabw ayto poy eipa hdh: Diabaste parakalw thn epistolh oloklhrh. Deite poies einai oi leptes diafores poy yparxoyn sthn epistolh, gia to 3310 gia to 3021, gia to endexomeno kapoios na prosfygei kai na zhthsei ejhghseis h en pash periptwsei na arxisei mia diadikasia. Oi diadikasies allote arxizoyn aytomatws sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, allote arxizoyn apo prosfyges. Pisteyw oti ean th diabasete me prosoxh qa exete tis apanthseis.

POYLIDOY: Yparxei qema paraithshs toy k. Paylopoyloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh aisqanetai oti qa prepei na dwsei kapoies ejhghseis gia ta ejhs tria qemata: Prwton, oti bgainei sto Zappeio kai leei oti to Syntagma se kaqe periptwsh yperisxyei toy koinotikoy dikaioy. Deytero, oti o nomos -kati poy exei epanalhfqei polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa- einai symbatos kai me to Syntagma kai me to koinotiko dikaio. Triton, oti sth synanthsh poy egine me ton k. Saoymp kai treis Ypoyrgoys, eipate oti den yphrjan problhmata kata th diarkeia ths synanthshs kai oti den yparxei kanena problhma me to nomo, einai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio. Kai ta tria apodeiknyontai lanqasmena. Den qelw na apodwsw skopimothta h proqeseis. Yparxei, pantws, politiko problhma otan lete ston ellhniko lao alla apo ayta poy isxyoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakalesw, ean breite to diko moy apospasma poy anaferete, na to proballete to brady sto kanali sas. Qa hqela na to dw ki egw.

TSIODRAS: Poio apo ta trita lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To trito apospasma. Ti eipwqhke se ayth thn aiqoysa. Sas parakalw poly, ean to breite na to proballete. Ayto einai kai prosklhsh, einai kai proklhsh.

TSIODRAS: Sygnwmh, exw katalabei laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti exete katalabei. Sas parakalw poly, ayto poy diabasate prin apo ligh wra, to opoio qa einai katagrammeno sthn apomagnhtofwnhsh toy briefing, na to proballete to brady sto kanali sas.

TSIODRAS: Elege h kybernhsh oti yparxoyn problhmata meta th synanthsh me ton k. Saoymp.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hmoyn safhs se ayto. Sto deytero qema poy qesate kai to opoio einai shmantikotero toy prwtoy.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na moy peite ean exw katalabei laqos, ean h kybernhsh miloyse meta th synanthsh me ton k. Saoymp oti yparxoyn problhmata se sxesh me to nomo gia th symbatothta me to koinotiko dikaio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei enas tropos me ton opoio ginetai mia synenteyjh. Me rwtate, apantw. Me rwthsate, apodidontas moy kapoia frash. Egw, loipon, me olh thn parrhsia poy stekomai apenanti sas kai sas omilw kai apantw stis erwthseis sas, sas lew: Ean breite ayth th frash poy moy apodwsate, parakalw na thn proballete sto Meso, sto opoio ergazeste. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

TSIODRAS: Epeidh exw to dikaiwma kainoyrgia erwthshs, qa sas ypobalw pali thn erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete polla dikaiwmata, pollwn erwthsewn. Omws, den exete kanena dikaiwma na parafrazete thn opoiadhpote frash exw pei, eite eseis, eite opoiosdhpote allos kai na dhmioyrgeite thn opoiadhpote entypwsh.

TSIODRAS: Sth synanthsh me ton k. Saoymp yphrxe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa thn entypwsh oti den xreiazetai na dwsei ejhghseis kapoios giati sebetai to Syntagma kai leei oti ``qa thrhsw to Syntagma ths patridas moy''. Eixa thn entypwsh, ws politikos poy orkisthke sto Syntagma kai ws Ellhnas poliths, oti einai ypoxrewsh olwn mas na yperaspizomaste to Syntagma kai oxi na xreiazetai na dinoyme ejhghseis giati milame yper toy Syntagmatos. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy stis ypoloipes parathrhseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Den sas zhthqhke kamia apologia giati yperaspizeste to Syntagma. Ayto poy sas zhthsa htan na moy kanete mia krish sto pws h kybernhsh elege oti einai symbatos o nomos me to koinotiko dikaio kai me to Syntagma kai apodeiknyetai oti den einai kai sthn topoqethsh oti to Syntagma yperisxyei toy koinotikoy dikaioy, kati to opoio den apodeiknyetai, ean gi ayta, politika h kybernhsh aisqanetai thn anagkh na apologhqei, na pei kati.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa hdh.

XIWTHS: Qa synexisw ligo ayth th syzhthsh, giati eixa to pronomio na parakoloyqhsw oles tis dhlwseis kai tis dikes sas kai twn allwn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn poy eginan kai sthn Ellada kai sto ejwteriko. H alhqeia einai oti oi dikes sas ekfraseis htan arketa prosektikes. Den htan, omws, olwn oswn xeiristhkan to zhthma. Mporoyme, an qelete, ayrio na feroyme dhlwseis synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn sas poy ejefrazan leontarismoys enantion ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs epaneilhmmena, otan epishmainontan apo tis plhrofories, oti ta epixeirhmata ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs den ginontai katanohta. To erwthma, loipon, poy epanalambanw kai egw einai, an h kybernhsh noiwqei oti prepei na apologhqei gia toys xeirismoys ths kai an yparxoyn politikes eyqynes ston tropo poy xeiristhke to zhthma apo thn 24h Dekembrioy mexri shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh noiwqei oti prepei na yperaspistei to Syntagma ws eqniko symferon, opws exw pei polles fores kai to exoyn pei kai oloi oi ypoloipoi ypoyrgoi poy milhsan gi` ayto. H kybernhsh noiwqei oti prepei na kanei to kaqhkon ths, gia to opoio kaqhkon den epedeije ton idio zhlo h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. An to eixe kanei, isws shmera na mhn syzhtoysame gia ola ayta ta opoia syzhtame, alla na eixan lyqei polla problhmata nwritera.

BLAXOS: Sas akoysa na milate me stomfo gia thn yperaspish toy Syntagmatos. Ara, o Prwqypoyrgos otan leei ``qa broyme koino topo'' ti ennoei; Oti den qa yperaspistei to Syntagma; Oti qa katastrathghsei to Syntagma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth einai h erwthsh; Oxi.

GKOYTZANHS: Ena politiko erwthma, kyrie Ekproswpe. Eipate oti h prohgoymenh kybernhsh toy PASOK den eixe kanei ayto to dialogo, par` oti yphrxan proeidopoihseis apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Wstoso, eseis, gnwrizate oti yparxoyn problhmata me to nomo toy PASOK, prin kataqesete to diko sas nomosxedio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ton allajame.

GKOYTZANHS: Ton kanate omws pio sklhro poy dhmioyrghse megalytera problhmata. Den qa mporoyse na eixe apofeyxqei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai to qema ths sklhrothtos poy dhmioyrgei megalytera problhmata. Emeis kaname pio sklhro to nomo -kai ayto to jeroyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites, akomh kai an den exoyn diabasei oyte pente grammes apo to nomosxedio- dioti einai safes poios eixe thn politikh apofash kai poios thn exei akomh na epimeinei ston agwna kata ths diaplokhs. Kai einai safes poios eftiaxne nomoys me diafora paraqyra. Omws akomh kai o nomos me ta paraqyra, blepete oti -oxi mono shmera, alla se olh th diarkeia twn teleytaiwn dyo etwn- einai amfisbhthsimos apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh se sxesh me th symbatothta toy. Emeis, loipon, leme oti ola ayta, h nomoqesia amfisbhteitai oxi ws aytonomh nomoqesia toy alfa h toy bhta nomoy, amfisbhteitai epeidh h amfisbhthsh edrazetai sto 14/9 toy Syntagmatos. Kai ayth th maxh den prokeitai na thn parathsoyme.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na moy peite ti shmainei gia thn kybernhsh kai ti shmatodotei h apostolh aytoy toy enhmerwtikoy shmeiwmatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite. An ennoeite ti shmainei texnika, ayto ejhgw tosh wra.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia ejelijh ayth th stigmh. Brisketai mia syzhthsh se ejelijh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw ejhghsei ti shmainei kai texnika kai politika. Ti perissotero qelete na pw;

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Dhladh, qa allajete kati eseis ston tropo diapragmateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero. Exw thn entypwsh oti exei ejantlhqei ayto to qema.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw pali se politiko epipedo, an ena komma to opoio proballei ton eyrwpaiko toy prosanatolismo, kat` ejoxhn einai ikanopoihmeno otan lambanei tetoioy eidoys epistoles apo thn Koinothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na ginete ligo pio safhs;

SARANTAKOS: Mia epistolh poy egw qa thn xarakthriza proeidopoihtikh se aysthro tono kai qa elega, thn idia wra poy stelnontai tetoies epistoles, yparxoyn fwnes poy lene oti h xwra qa prepei na erqei se sygkroysh me thn Komision h akomh kai na fygei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai rwtw: Otan pairnete tetoioy eidoys epistoles poy einai se aysthro tono -to lew epieikws- einai ikanopoihmenh mia kybernhsh, ena komma, to opoio tonizei diarkws oti exei jekaqaro eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy lete isxyei gia th dekaetia toy 1970, poly protoy mpoyme sthn Koinothta. Dhladh, tote, otan o Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs me poly megalh kai shmantikh prospaqeia -poy kategrafh oxi mono sthn ellhnikh istoria alla kai sthn eyrwpaikh- ekane ayth th xwra melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Qewrw, loipon, peritto na syzhthsw gia tis eyrwpaikes eyaisqhsies ths Neas Dhmokratias. Isws qelete na apeyqynete se allo komma to erwthma.

SARANTAKOS: Oxi, se sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi eyrwpaikes eyaisqhsies ths Neas Dhmokratias einai se tetoio baqmo shmantikes, wste na epanalambanei oti mesa apo th synainesh megalwse h oikogeneia ths E.E. kai mesa apo th synainesh qa proxwrhsei.

SARANTAKOS: Ara, qewreite meros mias diadikasias thn epistolh ayth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaia. Ti allo;

SARANTAKOS: Tipota parapanw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly paragwgikhs diadikasias, malista.

BAGIANOS: Kata thn apoch moy, nomizw oti prohgoymenws nomizw oti apofygate na apanthsate gia to an yparxoyn politikes eyqynes. Qa to epanaferw to erwthma kai qa rwthsw kai esas ton idio, ws armodio Ypoyrgo. Qewreite oti ola exoyn ginei kalws gia sas, ws armodios ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H maxh gia th diaplokh exei ginei poly kalws kai qa synexisei na ginetai.

XIWTHS: Mia dieykrinish, kyrie Ypoyrge. Apo thn epistolh prokyptei o safestatos kindynos na yparjei anastolh plhrwmwn gia thn efarmogh toy N.3021. Den exw katalabei an h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa anasteilei thn efarmogh kai aytoy toy nomoy, prokeimenoy na diasfalisei ta kondylia h an qa ton afhsei se isxy kai qa kathgorei aplws toys prokatoxoys ths ws ypeyqynoys oti xanontai kondylia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy prospaqoyme gia ton N.3021, einai na mhn exoyme fainomena san ayta poy periegrafhsan prohgoymenws eite apo emena, eite apo alles erwthseis synadelfwn sas. Na mh xasoyme, dhladh, oyte ena eyrw. Ayth einai h prospaqeia poy kanoyme twra.

XIWTHS: Ara, qa anasteilete(den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den lew ayto, giati pame pia se ena Syntagma to opoio den exei ektelestiko nomo. Kai gnwrizete oti otan enas nomos einai se efarmogh hdh, exei parajei apotelesmata tois pragmasi kai oxi qewrhtikws, opws o N.3310. Einai dyskolo na pei kaneis ``stamataw, den isxyei aytos o nomos''. Den jerw an nomika h syntagmatika einai eykolo. Pisteyw, omws, apo thn plhroforhsh thn opoia exw syllejei, oti einai para poly dyskolo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eipate arketes fores kai me kathgorhmatiko tropo oti h maxh kata ths diaplokhs kai ths diafqoras qa synexistei, asxeta me thn ejelijh poy exei h ypoqesh aytoy nomoy, skopeyete na ferete kapoio allo nomoqethma, na kanei kapoia allh politikh h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allo nomoqethma, apo th stigmh poy yparxei ayto to nomoqethma to opoio syzhtame.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi gia to basiko metoxo, gia thn antimetwpish ths diafqoras kai ths diaplokhs, lew. Skefteste na ferete kapoio symplhrwmatiko nomoqethma h otidhpote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Desmeyqhkame, ws antipoliteysh, se tria pragmata. Sas ta qymizw: Prwton, htan h katarghsh toy maqhmatikoy typoy. Egine. To deytero htan o basikos metoxos. Egine. Qa teleiwsei h diadikasia kai qa teleiwsei me ton kalytero dynato tropo gia na synexistei aytos o agwnas. To trito htan h enisxysh twn anejarthtwn arxwn, kati to opoio ginetai eite me nees arxes poy dhmioyrghqhkan epi kybernhsews Neas Dhmokratias, eite me thn enisxysh twn yparxoyswn arxwn. Ara, loipon, oi proeklogikes mas desmeyseis se ena megalo pososto exoyn thrhqei. Qa elega sto 100% ean den yphrxe h diadikasia syzhthshs, diaboyleyshs, diapragmateyshs me thn Komision gia to basiko metoxo.

IWANNOY: Enallaktika, ti lysh yparxei apo th stigmh poy exoyme problhma; Egw qa pw o nomos poy efarmozetai twra. Enallaktika ti mporoyme na kanoyme efoson xreiazetai ektelestikos nomos toy Syntagmatos; Den sas rwtw ti qa kanete, alla ti dynatothtes. Fantazomai oti qa to exete cajei ligo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na siwphsoyme pantws kai na kanoyme pws den exoyme Syntagma, ayth h kybernhsh den qa to kanei.

TRIKAS: Exoyn ginei kapoies dhlwseis, shmera, toy epikefalhs toy Toyrkikoy Epiteleioy Stratoy k. Xilmi Ozkiok, poy epanaferei to qema toy peristatikoy me th shmaia kai zhtaei apo thn Aqhna syggnwmh k.lp.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw ypoch moy tis dhlwseis poy anaferete. Qa hqela, kat` arxas, na dw tis dhlwseis kai qa yparjei kapoia antidrash, eite dikh moy, eite apo ton Ekproswpo toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

KONGKO: Qa yparjei shmerinh dhlwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epikoinwnhsw me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai fantazomai qa yparjei entos ths hmeras.

BLAXOS: O k. Antwnaros poy einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth th stigmh, nomizw exei kapoia synanthsh sto grafeio toy.

BLAXOS: Yparxei qema me ton k. Antwnaro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi den yparxei.

BLAXOS: Paramenei anaplhrwths sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, paramenei, paroti kapoio MME h kapoia MME xqes h shmera anaferoyn oti yparxei problhma. Sas apantw, oxi, den yparxei kanena problhma.

BLAXOS: Qa erxetai sto briefing h qa kanete mono eseis enhmerwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws qa erxetai kai o k. Antwnaros.

Sas eyxaristw.

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