Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-04-19

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 19 Aprilioy 2005

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, h opoia eixe ws antikeimeno syzhthshs to nomosxedio gia th metanasteytikh politikh, to opoio enarmonizetai stoys kanones ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, poy oristhkan epi Ollandikhs Proedrias, alla kai tis anagkes ths ellhnikhs pragmatikothtas. Ayth thn wra ta basika shmeia toy nomosxedioy paroysiazontai apo toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys k. Paylopoylo kai k. Boylgarakh se synenteyjh Typoy sto Zappeio.

Ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia:

@Stis 08:45 to prwi, me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas k. Sphlio Sphliwtopoylo.

@Stis 09:30 me ton Geniko Grammatea toy OOSA k. Ntonalnt Tzonston. @Stis 10:30 me ton Ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias k. Pano Panagiwtopoylo.

@Stis 11:15 me ton Ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias k. Manwlh Kefalogiannh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, rwthsate ton k. Mparozo na sas metalampadeysei thn empeiria poy eixe to komma toy apo thn apografh kai ti tyxh toy epifylaje ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

GKOYTZANHS: Blepw shmera ton sympoliteyomeno Typo, exw mprosta moy to prwtoselido ths ``Kaqhmerinhs'', ``Karamanlhs se polemo kata ths diaplokhs'', epishs kai alles 4 efhmerides lene to idio, oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai se polemo me th diaplokh. H erwthsh einai yparxei akomh diaplokh; Kai to lew giati an kai den exei dwsei h kybernhsh enan orismo, ypoqetoyme oti sto parelqon kapoioi epixeirhmaties toy Typoy diaplekontan me tis kybernhseis toy PASOK. Ean aytoi oi epixeirhmaties yparxoyn akomh, me poion diaplekontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den ekproswpw kamia efhmerida, ekproswpw thn kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: H erwthsh einai an yparxei diaplokh. H erwthsh apeyqynetai sthn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwthsate gia dhmosieyma efhmeridas ki an ayto isxyei. Se oti afora th deyterh erwthsh sas, exw dhlwsei se ayth thn aiqoysa, se kaqe syntetagmenh Politeia ana ton kosmo, yparxoyn nomoi oi opoioi parabiazontai h den parabiazontai se megalo h mikrotero baqmo. H politikh boylhsh ayths ths kybernhshs exei hdh ekfrastei oxi mono apo thn hmera poy egine kybernhsh, alla kai ws komma antipoliteyshs h Nea Dhmokratia exei topoqethqei me safhneia gyrw apo ayta ta qemata. Kai ayth h politikh boylhsh ginetai prajh me sygkekrimena nomosxedia ta opoia exoyn hdh chfistei apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws eide h ellhnikh kybernhsh tis ekloges sta Katexomena, th nikh toy Talat, thn prosklhsh pros ton k. Papadopoylo kai an nomizete oti twra dianoigetai o dromos gia na broyn mia sympefwnhmenh lysh sto Kypriako problhma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti o k. Talat qa kinhqei sta dieqnh nomima kai qa mporesei na syneisferei perissotera ap` oti oi prokatoxoi toy sthn prospaqeia epilyshs olwn twn zhthmatwn.

POYLIDOY: O toyrkikos Typos anaferomenos sthn prosfath krish twn Imiwn, anaferei diafores martyries kata tis opoies enw oi Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn to brady ths Triths eixan apofasisei na aposyrqoyn oi aktaiwroi enqen kakeiqen, h entolh ayth efarmosthke apo toys stratiwtikoys thn epomenh to prwi. Miloyn gia mia aytonomhsh toy stratiwtikoy katesthmenoy twn dyo xwrwn. Exete eseis aytes tis plhrofories kai pws ejhgeite thn kaqysterhsh an ayth yphrje;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw ayto to opoio rwtate. Den exw tetoies plhrofories. Ekeino to opoio -sas qymizw- eixa pei apantwntas se erwthsh, einai pws oi dyo Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn syzhthsan gia thn ypoqesh kai edoqh lysh se poly ligh wra meta th syzhthsh toys.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o Proedros ths Epitrophs, k. Mparozo, eyqews dhlwse oti ta ellhnika epixeirhmata den ton epeisan, den epeisan thn Epitroph gia to Basiko Metoxo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipe kati tetoio o k. Mparozo; Den to akoysa.

KORAH: Eipe oti yparxoyn safws problhmata. An qelete mporw na sas pw akribws ti.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allo lete twra.

KORAH: Nai, yparxoyn problhmata poy shmainei oti ta epixeirhmata mas den ton epeisan. H ermhneia den einai ayth; Aytes akribws oi qeseis opws ekfrasthkan apo ton k. Mparozo, problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh gia allagh strathgikhs; Gia ypanaxwrhsh dhladh apo th sklhrh grammh thn opoia akoloyqhse sthn epistolh ths pros ton k. Mak Kribi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti to qema kalyfqhke en pollois xqes. Apoysiazate isws kai den diabasate to briefing. Qelw, omws, na symplhrwsw oti entos twn prosexwn hmerwn anamenoyme thn apanthsh ths Komision. H dikh mas strathgikh se oti afora th diafaneia paramenei h idia. Den einai ena proeklogiko synqhma. Einai diarkes aitoymeno, einai strathgikh politikh ths kybernhshs. Se o,ti afora to sygkekrimeno qema ayto kaqeayto, yparxei h xqesinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, alla kai h anafora poy egine sto press room, alla kyriws sthn apanthsh mas pros thn Komision, dhladh, h prospaqeia anazhthshs koinoy topoy. Xqes, rwthqhka gia ton koino topo kai edwsa analytikh apanthsh.

TSIODRAS: An sto plaisio ths anazhthshs toy koinoy topoy ejetazei h kybernhsh kai to endexomeno anastolhs efarmoghs toy nomoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An den laboyme thn apanthsh ths Komision gia na doyme se poio pedio kineitai, qa htan adokimo na pw to otidhpote. Ekeino to opoio qelw na epishmanw einai h anazhthsh toy koinoy topoy. Kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoyntai oi dyo pleyres.

KAKALHS: Pws symbibazetai h kybernhsh na brisketai se polemo kata ths diaplokhs kai thn idia stigmh ta diaplekomena na pairnoyn pistopoihtika diafaneias, na pairnoyn dhmosia erga kai na diathroyn to meridio toys sth moirasia ths pitas kai deyteron pws symbibazetai o polemos kata ths diaplokhs me anazhthsh koinoy topoy h symbibasmoy me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia to Basiko Metoxo, nomosxedio to opoio ypotiqetai oti einai to basiko ergaleio gia thn antimetwpish ths diaplokhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qesate tria qemata. To prwto afora to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs, to opoio leitoyrgei ws anejarthth arxh kai ws ek toytoy den protiqemai na sxoliasw tis diadikasies poy problepontai apo to nomo, sxetika me thn ekdosh h oxi pistopoihtikoy diafaneias, analoga me thn periptwsh poy to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs krinei. To deytero qema afora tis diadikasies diafaneias sto dhmosio bio kai idiaitera sta dhmosia erga. Qelw na sas pw oti hdh ayth h kybernhsh efere neo nomo o opoios egine apodektos apo thn agora alla kai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ws enas nomos poy lynei polla problhmata toy parelqontos. Milw gia to nomo poy antikatesthse to maqhmatiko typo. To trito qema afora thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Emeis den krycame oti eimaste melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Allwste h Nea Dhmokratia, ws paratajh twn megalwn epilogwn, se mia apo tis prwtes epiloges toy Kwnstantinoy Karamanlh th dekaetia toy 1970, enetaje th xwra ston eyrwpaiko dromo. Kata synepeia otan anhkoyme se mia oikogeneia kratwn, ofeiloyme na kinhqoyme me kanones poy kai emeis oi idioi exoyme synomologhsei. Koina apodektoys.

BLAXOS: Prin apo ligo eipate kyrie Ekproswpe, oti to zhtoymeno gia thn kybernhsh paramenei h diafaneia. Eiste kybernhsh ena xrono, akomh zhtate th diafaneia; Ypociazomai oti qa eprepe ayth ths stigmh na lete oti efarmozetai h diafaneia. Kai deyteron, sas akoysa thn Kyriakh na omileite gia ton polemo poy kanoyn ta diaplekomena sthn kybernhsh fernontas san paradeigma thn kakh eikona poy deixnei ena gkalop. H diaplokh eyqynetai gia ton kako xeirismo ths ypoqeshs LAFKA; H diaplokh eyqynetai gia ton kako xeirismo ths ypoqeshs ths ptwshs toy Sinoyk;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai profanes oti den me akoysate thn Kyriakh giati den eipa kati tetoio. Den milhsa dhladh, me aformh kapoia dhmoskophsh. To sxolio moy gia th dhmoskophsh egine to Sabbato kai htan entelws jexwro apo thn omilia thn opoia ekana se kommatikh ekdhlwsh thn Kyriakh. Se oti afora thn ypoqesh LAFKA, exoyme hdh apanthsei para polles fores. Eimaste poly perhfanoi. Yperhfanoi dioti gia prwth fora meta apo polla xronia hrqe mia kybernhsh na thrhsei ypesxhmena toy parelqontos enw h prohgoymenh kybernhsh anti na elafrwsei toys syntajioyxoys apo thn eisfora toy LAFKA toys epibaryne gia polla perissotera xronia ap` osa problepontan ston arxiko nomo toy 1992.

BLAXOS: Lete oti to zhtoymeno gia thn kybernhsh paramenei h diafaneia. Eiste sthn ejoysia toso kairo kai eprepe na efarmozete h diafaneia oxi na th zhtate akoma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsa gia diarkes aitoymeno. Kai sta ellhnika to diarkes aitoymeno einai to diakybeyma.

XIWTHS: Qelw na aposafhnisete kai pali poy anaferotan o Prwqypoyrgos otan xrhsimopoihse th lejh ``polemos''. Dioti eseis eipate xqes oti anaferotan sta problhmata toy topoy, o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs xqes to apogeyma eipe oti h kybernhsh den anoigei polemo me kanenan, diabasa mia synenteyjh toy Grammatea Politikoy Sxediasmoy ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn opoia ypainissetai oti o polemos exei na kanei me ton antipoliteyomeno Typo. Telikws me poion anoigei polemo h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi parathrhseis tis opoies anaferate den moy einai gnwstes. Den gnwrizw an exoyn diatypwqei etsi opws to lete. Einai poly piqanon na ginontai anafores se proswpa h na anaferei o k. Boylgarakhs gia paradeigma -an se ayton anaferqhkate- oti den yparxoyn anafores se proswpa. Kai fysika den yparxei kamia polemikh diaqesh gia kanena proswpo. Ayto to opoio eipe o Prwqypoyrgos analyqhke xqes me pollh enargeia, me safhneia, ws ``polemos'' sta problhmata poy exoyme na antimetwpisoyme. Prokeitai gia problhmata ta opoia episwreyse mia politikh pollwn etwn apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh kai exoyn na kanoyn me oikonomika zhthmata eite toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea -toy kratoys en genei- eite me oikonomika zhthmata poy aptontai ths oikiakhs oikonomias enos ekastoy ergazomenoy, misqwtoy, syntajioyxoy h me problhmata poiothtas dhmokratias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos dexetai polemo apo th diaplokh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, an anafereste sth xqesinh toy dhlwsh, ekeino to opoio eipe den exei tipota perissotero apo ayta poy eipa egw. Ekeino poy me rwtate twra, an dexetai kapoio polemo apo th diaplokh: O Prwqypoyrgos kai ayth h kybernhsh blepei ws antipaloys ths mono ta problhmata. Kai monon otan blepeis ta problhmata ws antipaloys exeis piqanothtes na lyseis ta problhmata ayta. Kai bebaiws exeis megales piqanothtes na katanohsei o Ellhnas poliths thn prospaqeia poy kaneis, asxetws twn opoiwn kritikwn, epiqesewn, fwnwn, dikaiwn h adikwn.

XIWTHS: Qelw na moy ejhghsete an mporeite, giati o Prwqypoyrgos xrhsimopoihse ayth th frash, giati apo thn ``maxh'' phgate ston ``polemo''; Kai ena deytero, otan kaneis enan polemo h epitiqesai h amynesai. H kybernhsh ti apo ta dyo kanei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw an o Klaoyzebits problepei monon ayta ta dyo poy anaferate eseis, dhladh thn epiqesh h thn amyna. Einai bebaion omws oti sthn kaqhmerinh zwh o poliths dinei mia mikrh maxh h mia megalh maxh. En synolw aytes oi maxes apoteloyn enan polemo. Ton polemo gia thn kaqhmerinothta, ton polemo gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn. H glwssa mas einai poly ploysia kai doja tw Qew o Prwqypoyrgos jerei na kanei poly kalh xrhsh ayths. H topoqethsh moy htan safhs, opws kai h ermhneia poy akoloyqhse apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo.

GKOYTZANHS: O Klaoyzebits kanei logo kai gia oloklhrwtiko polemo. Mhpws einai ayto to eidos toy polemoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti gia oloklhrwtiko polemo allos ekane logo. Milame gia alles epoxes, pro ejhkontaetias, se allh xwra.

GKOYTZANHS: Arxika to orise o k. Klaoyzebits gi ayto to lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na mhn diafwnhsoyme epi ths texnikhs toy polemoy, giati qa fqasoyme ston Soyn Tsoy kai qa paei poly makria.

XONDROS: Giati h kybernhsh den leei jekaqara oti qa allajei to nomo gia ton basiko metoxo. Dioti lete oti qa yparjei mia prospaqeia gia thn ejeyresh enos koinoy topoy. Ypoqetw oti apokleietai na allajei to koinotiko dikaio. Ara, mallon, oi allages qa ginoyn ston ellhniko nomo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H prajh ejeyreshs enos koinoy topoy deixnei dyo pragmata: Prwton, realismo. Kai realismos shmainei politikh. Deyteron, deixnei sebasmo, afenos men toy kratoys-meloys sto Koinotiko Dikaio, afeteroy de sebasmo ths Komision, ws Epitrophs poy ekfrazei to Koinotiko Dikaio, sto kratos-melos. Briskomaste se mia oikogeneia, opoy synomologoyntai apofaseis. Prepei, loipon, ola ayta na epilyontai, oxi me mia apofash poy erxetai ws oristikh lysh enos zhthmatos, apo th mia pleyra, alla me thn ejeyresh koinoy topoy. Dhladh, me diadikasies syzhthshs, diapragmateyshs, antiparaqeshs k.o.k.

XONDROS: To apotelesma toy koinoy topoy poio qa einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To apotelesma toy koinoy topoy qa einai ena.

XONDROS: Den mporw na skefqw oti yparxei mia diafwnia. Lene oti o nomos aytos exei kapoies asymbatothtes me to koinotiko dikaio. O koinos topos mporei na einai allagh toy koinotikoy dikaioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, exete kanei mia lektikh -qelw na pisteyw- yperbash. To exw ejhghsei arketes fores se ayth thn aiqoysa. Den milame gia thn asymbatothta enos nomoy me to koinotiko dikaio. Milame gia problhmata poy dhmioyrgoyntai, metajy toy nomoy kai toy koinotikoy dikaioy. Alla, ayta ta problhmata aryontai apo to arqro14 paragrafos 9 toy Syntagmatos. Exoyme topoqethqei me safhneia oti prepei na yperaspistoyme to 14/9. Apo thn allh pleyra ekeino poy exei poly megalh shmasia -to eipa xqes kai nwritera shmera- einai o strathgikos stoxos. Kai o strathgikos stoxos einai, ws diarkes aitoymeno, h diafaneia se ayton ton topo kai h patajh diadikasiwn diafqoras, oi opoies dhmioyrghsan megala problhmata poiothtas Dhmokratias.

TSIODRAS: Eipate prin oti otan eimaste se mia oikogeneia kratwn ofeiloyme na kinoymaste se kanones poy kai emeis oi idioi exoyme synomologhsei, anaferomenos sth symbatothta toy nomoy me to eyrwpaiko dikaio kai tis opoies prosarmoges h ton koino topoy poy prepei na breqei. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean qa epanalambanate ayto poy eixate pei sto Zappeio kai meta apo ayto poy eipate kai shmera oti to ellhniko Syntagma yperisxyei toy koinotikoy dikaioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto Zappeio eixa milhsei gia thn pronoia, h opoia elhfqh, etsi wste o sygkekrimenos nomos na einai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio. Apo ekeinh thn periodo kai meta, eixame synexish kai oxi enarjh -opws kapoioi qeloyn na pisteyoyn- twn diadikasiwn diaboyleysews metajy ths Komision kai ths Elladas. Aytes oi antiparaqeseis, diaboyleyseis, diapragmateyseis exoyn ejantlhqei kai den xreiazetai na prosqesw tipote perissotero. H dikh moy, loipon, anafora exei na kanei akribws me ton nomo. Oydepote milhsa gia to Syntagma, dioti den eimai syntagmatologos, oyte kaqhghths ths nomikhs. Yparxoyn, omws, armodioteroi apo emena oi opoioi exoyn topoqethqei. Sebomai thn apoch toys. Qelw na pisteyw oti den amfisbhtei kaneis thn isxy toy Syntagmatos kai oloi ofeiloyme na to sebomaste. Allwste, einai kati poy exoyme analabei, oxi mono egw, ws proswpo, alla kai ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos, alla kai polla melh ths kybernhshs.

BLAXOS: Yperisxyei h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa molis.

KORAH: To gegonos oti aythn akribws thn parathrhsh thn ekane o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn o opoios einai o kyrios syntakths toy nomoy, o k. Paylopoylos, oti dhladh, yperisxyei to ellhniko syntagma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas diorqwnw legontas oti o nomos dhmioyrghqhke apo koinoy, apo treis Ypoyrgoys.

KORAH: O syntagmatologos, omws, einai o k. Paylopoylos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai gnwsto ayto kai einai timhtiko.

KORAH: Bebaiws. O Syntagmatologos kai Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn exei pei oti to ellhniko Syntagma yperisxyei toy koinotikoy dikaioy. Ara, ypanaxwrei ayth th stigmh, apo th stigmh h eseis ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos diatypwnetai grammh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa molis, legontas oti den diatypwnw diaforetikh grammh. Den katalabainw giati tiqetai ek neoy to erwthma. Ean qelete na sas pw oti yioqetw thn apoch toy k. Paylopoyloy, nai thn yioqetw, den exw kanena problhma na to pw.

KORAH: Thn yioqeteite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. Einai dynaton na mhn yioqethsw thn apoch enos kaqhghth syntagmatikoy dikaioy, enos kaqhghth ths Nomikhs poy einai Ypoyrgos kai exei terastia gnwsh twn qematwn; Ayto poy lete tiqetai, jerete, ws erwthma -kata th diarkeia twn teleytaiwn dekaetiwn polles fores- metajy kratoys-meloys kai Komision h Eyrwdikasthrioy, ean mia ypoqesh fqasei ekei.

BLAXOS: Mporw na sas dwsw apanthsh se ayto poy rwthsate: Giati tiqetai to erwthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa egw giati tiqetai;

BLAXOS: Eipate prin, giati tiqetai ayto to erwthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti tiqetai ws erwthma edw kai dekaeties metajy kratoys-meloys kai Komision h Eyrwdikasthrioy ean mia ypoqesh fqasei ews ekei. H doyleia moy edw einai na dinw apanthseis.

BLAXOS: Pantws, ola ayta ta pragmata, qa mporoysate na ta eixate lysei prin kataqesete to nomo kai qa eprepe na eixate erqei se mia diadikasia diaboyleyshs me thn E.E. gia na mhn talaipwreitai kai h kybernhsh kai h xwra kai o Prwqypoyrgos, me thn anazhthsh mias lyshs se ena pragma poy den afora thn pleionothta toy ellhnikoy laoy kai na rijete olo to baros kai oles tis dynameis sas sthn epilysh twn problhmatwn toy laoy kai oxi na mpainete se ayth th diadikasia toso kairo twra. Kai na kindyneyei h kybernhsh na paqei mia politikh gkafa. Aytos einai o rolos twn Ypoyrgwn. Etsi den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas pw, poios nomizete eseis oti einai o rolos.

BLAXOS: Na prostatecete thn kybernhsh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Aytos den einai o rolos sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa jekinhsw apo to prwto poy eipate, ean h kybernhsh ofeile na eixe syzhthsei h oxi. Epanalambanw, giati jexnioyntai poly grhgora ta pragmata. Prin apo tria molis lepta, anefera th diadikasia poy eixe akoloyqhqei edw kai para polla xronia. To gegonos oti den metadidetai kaqhmerina sta reportaz, den shmainei oti den isxyei kiolas. Exw janarwthsei kai se ayth thn aiqoysa kai alloy, pote emaqan oi Ellhnes polites gia to basiko metoxo; Epeidh, loipon, to erwthma einai rhtoriko, qa synexisw. Gia ton basiko metoxo, enw yphrxe nomos toy PASOK, oi Ellhnes polites plhroforhqhkan molis toys teleytaioys mhnes. Giati, dikaioymai na rwthsw. Mhpws giati o nomos poy teqhke apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh se chfoforia sthn prohgoymenh Boylh kai chfisthke telika, htan enas nomos gematos paraqyra; Mhpws ayto epibebaiwnetai apo to oti to Tmhma sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias, ekrine oti htan antisyntagmatikes kapoies diatajeis toy nomoy aytoy, opws gia paradeigma, h oikonomikh aytoteleia h h syggenikh sxesh, etsi opws thn eixe orisei o prohgoymenos nomos toy PASOK; Aifnhs, loipon, oi Ellhnes polites plhroforoyntai oti egine enas neos nomos: O nomos gia ton basiko metoxo. To plhroforoyntai aifnhs, otan h Nea Dhmokratia fernei ayton ton nomo sth Boylh pros chfish. Pisteyoyn, symfwna me ta opoia kentra plhroforhshs, apoplhroforhshs h paraplhroforhshs oti anetaraxqh h gh, anewxqhsan oi oyranoi kai egine megalh epanastash ston topo poy afora -opws eipate ki eseis- oloys toy polites. O nomos anaferetai se sygkekrimenoys topoys synanthshs epixeirhmatikwn symferontwn. Ti ennow me ayto; Epixeirhmatika symferonta poy antloyntai h ejantloyntai sto xwro twn MME kai taytoxronws ta idia epixeirhmatika symferonta ejantloyn th drasthriothta toys kai se etaireies synachs dhmosiwn symbasewn. Aytos einai enas poly mikros ariqmos. Wstoso, kata to Syntagma mas kai tis Dieqneis Synqhkes, ta MME exoyn shmantikh dynamh, dioti opws gnwrizete ephreazoyn thn koinh gnwmh. To Syntagma mas problepei tropoys me toys opoioys den qa ephreazetai oyte h Dhmokratia, oyte h poiothta ths kata synepeia, oyte bebaiws kai oi diadikasies kratoys kai dhmosias dioikhshs. Exoyme, loipon, amesh anafora sto symferon toy Ellhna polith. Kai kata toyto endiaferei oloys toys Ellhnes polites aytos o nomos. Mporei na anaferetai, oligon, se koinoys topoys, alla oysiastika endiaferei oloys toys Ellhnes polites, giati anaferetai eyqews sthn oysia ths Dhmokratias. Ti egine, loipon, olo ayto to diasthma twn teleytaiwn triwn etwn; Eixame antiparaqesh epixeirhmatwn apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK sthn arxh kai en synexeia apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias me thn Komision gia th symbatothta h oxi, oxi mono toy nomoy toy PASOK sthn arxh kai en synexeia toy nomoy ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla kyriws toy 14/9 toy Syntagmatos. Emeis epilejame, opws sas eipa polles fores, na dwsoyme ayth th maxh, enisxyontas thn pepoiqhsh oti prepei na yposthrijoyme to Syntagma mas kai thn pronoia poy elhfqh sto Syntagma me to 14/9 kai malista me megalh pleiochfia sth Boylh. Ti qa perimene kaneis; Na mhn dwsoyme th maxh gia to Syntagma; Na mhn ftiajoyme ektelestiko nomo, o opoios na threi to gramma kai to pneyma toy Syntagmatos, alla na ftiajoyme enan allo nomo antistoixo me ekeinon toy PASOK, poy eixe ena swro paraqyra: H na kanoyme pws den katalabame h na kanoyme pws den eipame proeklogika kai desmeyqhkame oti xreiazetai na prowqhqei diadikasia diafaneias se ayton ton topo kai na pataxqoyn oi esties diafqoras; Ayta ola synebhsan. Kai synebhsan me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Ean yparxoyn antiparaqeseis, diaboyleyseis edw kai xronia, emeis exoyme mia diafora apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh: Kai stis Bryjelles phgame kai th maxh synexisame kai synexizoyme na dinoyme, prokeimenoy o strathgikos stoxos na yphrethqei. Kai o strathgikos stoxos sas bebaiw oti qa yphrethqei. H diafaneia -opws eipa kai prin- einai to diarkes aitoymeno apo oloys toys Ellhnes polites, alla kai strathgikos stoxos gia thn kybernhsh. Den einai proeklogiko synqhma, to epanalambanw.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den jerw se poion apanthsate, alla h erwthsh moy den htan ayth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An den htan ayth, na thn janaqesete.

BLAXOS: H erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: Giati prin kataqesete to nomo den hrqate se diapragmateysh me thn E.E., wste na einai o nomos symbatos kai na mhn mpei sthn peripeteia ayth o Prwqypoyrgos, h kybernhsh kai h xwra na analiskoyn dynameis, prokeimenoy na broyn ena koino topo gi` ayto to nomo, enw antiqeta o Prwqypoyrgos eprepe na xrhsimopoiei tis wres toy, faia oysia kai tis gnwrimies stis Bryjelles gia na epilysei ta shmantika problhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy kai oxi thn asymbatothta enos nomoy poy den endiaferei thn pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Einai poly aplo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei, loipon, kata keraia h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy. Epishmainw idiaitera to shmeio ekeino, opoy den prepei kaneis na jexna, pws jekinhse kai pote jekinhse ayth h istoria me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai gia poio logo jekinhse apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Dioti thn paroysiazete ws mia ypoqesh poy na jekinhse epi Neas Dhmokratias me thn Komision kai dhmioyrghse peripeteia, opws eipate, sth xwra. Oxi, den dhmioyrghse peripeteia. Alimono ean qewroyme oti einai peripeteia gia mia xwra kai talaipwria gia ena Prwqypoyrgo h gia thn kybernhsh ekeinhs ths periodoy h diasfalish kanonwn diafaneias. Aytos o nomos kai ayth h antiparaqesh jekinhse -opws eipa kai prohgoymenws kai opws gnwrizete allwste- me thn epistolografia edw kai tria xronia kai gia ton prohgoymeno nomo kai gia to Syntagma mas. Mhn epanalambanoyme omws ta idia pragmata. Ta exoyme pei polles fores.

BLAXOS: Einai profanes, omws, oti o Prwqypoyrgos mphke sthn peripeteia, epeidh oi treis ypoyrgoi den ekanan swsta th doyleia toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas exw janapei, exete th grafida ths ejoysias kai to mikrofwno ths ejoysias kai mporeite na kanete thn krish poy eseis nomizete. Sas lew jekaqara oti ayth h kybernhsh exei enan strathgiko stoxo apo ton opoio den qa apostei pash qysia. Kai o strathgikos stoxos einai diafaneia pantoy. Yperaspish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos. Yperaspish olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn me isotimo tropo. Oi diaforopoihseis, oi opoies parathrhqhkan sto parelqon, oi mikres omades oi opoies hlegxan eite dhmosies symbaseis, eite opoies alles oikonomikes sxeseis toy Dhmosioy me epixeirhmaties, den einai sth logikh ayths ths kybernhshs. H logikh ayths ths kybernhshs einai yper mias eleyqerhs agoras, antagwnistikhs me sebasmo ston Ellhna polith kai sto dhmosio xrhma panw apo ola.

KOYIN: Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmera h prosoxh ths Eyrwphs einai strammenh sthn Ellada gia enan entelws diaforetiko logo. Anamenetai na chfistei to Eyrwsyntagma apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn kai hqela na sas rwthsw ean h kybernhsh perimenei ayto to chfisma na exei megalh pleiochfia. An dhladh qa yperchfistei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw poios qa chfisei yper h kata. Kata to Syntagma kaqe boyleyths einai eleyqeros na apofasisei ekeinos kai malista gia ena toso spoydaio nomoqethma.

KOYIN: H kybernhsh fobatai oti den qa chfistei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den eipa ayto. Aplws, den mporw na jerw posoi qa chfisoyn yper kai posoi qa chfisoyn kata.

TSIODRAS: Qa epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema. Eipate oti yioqeteite thn apoch poy eixe ekfrasei o k. Paylopoylos, oti yperisxyei to ellhniko Syntagma toy koinotikoy dikaioy. Efoson, loipon, symfwneite me aythn thn apoch gia poio logo den pame ayth thn apoch, oti yperisxyei to ellhniko Syntagma, ara kratame to nomo ws exei kai proxwrate se allages. Na pame, loipon, sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio kai na dikaiwqoyme apo ekei, efoson nomika exoyme dikio. An den symbainei ayto, tote kati allo symbainei to opoio mallon prepei na ejhghsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H politikh strathgikh einai ayth thn opoia sas anelysa prohgoymenws. H politikh taktikh epiballei na kaneis o,ti einai dynaton yper dyo symferontwn: Toy eqnikoy symferontos, ws Syntagma kai toy eqnikoy symferontos, wste na mhn kindyneysoyn na xaqoyn kondylia gi` ayton ton topo. Sas to exw ejhghsei ayto polles fores kai kat` idian kai dhmosiws. Einai dyo dromoi poy endexomenws ayth th stigmh fainetai oti kinoyntai parallhla kai emeis elpizoyme oti poly syntoma qa arxisoyn na temnontai.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, parakoloyqhsa tis apanthseis sas sta prohgoymena qemata kai gia to oti h kybernhsh paramenei staqera proshlwmenh sth strathgikh gia th diafaneia. Apofygate na xrhsimopoihsete ton oro ``diaplokh'' kai kata thn apoch moy swsta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An anatrejete sthn arxh ths enhmerwshs otan rwthqhka gi` ayta ta opoia eipa thn Kyriakh sthn omilia moy se kommatikh organwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, milhsa gia ton oro ``diaplokh''. Den ton apefyga kaqoloy.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara, exoyme akomh diaplokh. Ayto lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa. Rwthqhka prin ean yparxei diaplokh. Einai san na me rwtate an me enan nomo gia thn patajh ths forodiafyghs, ths klophs h allwn kakoyrghmatwn h plhmmelhmatwn k.lp. aytomatws egine mia aggelikh koinwnia. Ayto poy frontizei na kanei h kybernhsh -kai to exei kanei- einai na ferei seira nomwn poy kata to dynaton apokleioyn aytoy toy eidoys ta fainomena. Dioti edw eixame nomoys -qermokhpia tetoiwn fainomenwn. Emeis, loipon, den ftiajame nomo-qermokhpio enos fainomenoy diafqoras. Antiqetws, kai o nomos gia thn katarghsh toy maqhmatikoy typoy kai o nomos gia thn eleysh toy basikoy metoxoy -opws ton orise h Nea Dhmokratia- einai dyo nomoi se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Den diafwnw. Apla einai diaforetiko pragma h diafaneia, to na kanete diafaneia, diaforetiko h antimetwpish ths diafqoras kai eidikos oros h diaplokh. Gi` ayto to diekrina kai eipa oti den to exete men orisei plhn omws symperainoyme ayto. An apantate oti nai yparxei akomh diaplokh, tote den exei nohma to epomeno erwthma poy exw na kanw, opote to aposyrw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa, opws prohgoymenws.

KAKALHS: O polemos gia ta kaqhmerina problhmata poy khryje ek neoy h kybernhsh, den einai h prwth fora, ton exei khryjei edw ki ena xrono, kai mexri twra exei xeiropiasta apotelesmata, exei katalhjei se baros twn oikonomika asqenesterwn kai mexri twra exei megala qymata toys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys, afoy mexri twra eixame entash ths akribeias, ths litothtas kai th diathrhsh ths anergias poly chla epipeda. H anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti o polemos qa synexistei na eklhfqei ws apeilh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh analysei th frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, xqes. Den xreiazetai na pw perissotera. H alhqeia einai oti yparxoyn problhmata poy einai kaqhmerina. Milhsate gia problhmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn agora, me tis times proiontwn. Ayta antimetwpizontai me ton kalytero dynato tropo apo to armodio ypoyrgeio kai toys armodioys foreis, etsi wste me th synergasia kai twn Ellhnwn katanalwtwn na apaleifontai fainomena aisxrokerdeias poy en telei katalhgoyn eis baros toy Ellhna katanalwth. Ayth h prospaqeia einai diarkhs -kai oxi mono sth dikh mas xwra- kai qa einai diarkhs.

XONDROS: Epeidh milame gia diaplokh kai epixeirhmatika symferonta yparxei kati neotero apo to metwpo toy deyteroy kykloy epafwn poy qa ekane o Prwqypoyrgos me epixeirhmaties; Epeidh eimaste mikrh xwra kai gnwrizomaste metajy mas, den gnwrizoyme telika poioys qa dei h mallon poioys den qa dei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa apanthsw sthn erwthsh sas, giati eseis mporei na asteieyeste men, diatypwnontas thn, opws thn diatypwsate. Alla, qa prepei na sas pw oti einai dyo teleiws diaforetika pragmata h epixeirhsh, o epixeirhmatikos kosmos, h epixeirhmatikothta poy enexei mesa ths to oikonomiko kefalaio mias shmantikh tajhs Ellhnwn politwn, giati den milame gia ena, dyo, pente, deka proswpa monon, poy kai ayta exoyn isxyrh oikonomikh bash. Milame gia xiliades h ekatontades xiliades mikromesaiwn politwn. Kata synepeia qewrw oti h taytish toy enos qematos me to allo den einai apodekth, gia na mhn pw oti einai aparadekth.

XONDROS: Egw rwtw ean yparxei kati neotero apo to deytero kyklo epafwn poy qa ekane o Prwqypoyrgos me epixeirhmaties.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, kaqe mera h politikh enhmerwsh arxizei me to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Na eiste bebaios oti otan yparxei kati neotero qa anakoinwqei.

KORAH: To erwthma exei teqei se mia apo tis polles fores poy apoysiazete ki eseis apo to briefing. Qa to qesw, loipon, kai shmera. Eginan prospaqeies na kleistei ranteboy toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Oyasigkton parallhla me to tajidi toy sth Bostwnh kai den staqhke dynato h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, qa kanei ena tajidi sth Bostwnh gia na episkefqei to panepisthmio Tufts, sto opoio foithse kai opoy yparxei mia para poly shmantikh edra: H edra ``Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs''. Apo ekei kai pera an qa yparjoyn kapoioy alloy eidoys synanthseis stis HPA, den to gnwrizw ayth th stigmh. An orqws antelhfqhn ton ypainigmo sas, pantws oi diplwmatikes sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn einai para poly kales. Ayto apodeiknyetai apo kairoy eis kairon me alles synanthseis poy exoyn labei xwra apo tote poy o Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs anelabe th diakybernhsh ths xwras.

Sas eyxaristw.

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