Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-04-12

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Aqhna, 12 Aprilioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, k. Kwsta Karamanlh synedriase shmera h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai syzhthse ena polydiastato nomosxedio toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, to opoio qa kataqesei ayrio sth Boylh o Ypoyrgos k. Anastashs Papalhgoyras. Me to nomosxedio ayto, poy perilambanei 24 epimeroys parembaseis, h kybernhsh apoblepei kyriws sthn epitaxynsh, alla kai sthn poiotikh anabaqmish ths aponomhs dikaiosynhs.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, Tetarth 13 Aprilioy, stis 10:00 to prwi, qa synanthqei me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. G. Alogoskoyfh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Xqes eixame mia kataggelia apo to PASOK gia apopeira noqeias stis foithtikes ekloges opoy malista breqhkan kai kapoia triptyxa ta opoia eixan tis sfragides kai toy Prytanh kai ths Grammateias. Kai shmera eixame epishs kai mia katalhch ths Grammateias ths Nomikhs. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena apolytws sxolio.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh ypociazomai oti enhmerwneste gi` ayta ta opoia grafontai kai legontai sta radiofwna kai stis thleoraseis, qa hqela na mas peite an exei ginei ereyna apo thn kybernhsh gia to pws kai apo poy dierreyse tmhma ths ekqeshs toy k. Nimits ston kyriakatiko Typo;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, den exei rolo astynomikoy epiqewrhth, gia na elegxei me poion tropo kanoyn th doyleia toys oi dhmosiografoi.

BLAXOS: Gia to pws kanoyn th doyleia toys oi ypoyrgoi exei logo h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Katalhgete biastika, ayqaireta kai me prokatalhch se symperasmata, yponowntas oti h diarroh egine dhqen apo ypoyrgoys. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

BLAXOS: Poios allos, dhladh, eixe thn epistolh Nimits;

ANTWNAROS: Eiste dhmosiografos, den exete para na kanete ereyna. Den qa sas pw egw poios allos eixe thn epistolh Nimits. Eiste empeiros dhmosiografos, exete polla xronia qhteias sth dhmosiografia.

BLAXOS: Pantws, ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs den eixan thn epistolh Nimits. Ara, loipon, bgazoyme thn antipoliteysh.

ANTWNAROS: Den aphyqyna kamia momfh pros ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Sas eipa oti katalhgete se biastika symperasmata.

SIDERHS: Par` ola osa lete, epeidh den hxoyn peistika kai epeidh ayto poy yfistaste twra, ayth thn kritikh, einai ejaitias mias diarrohs poy den einai h prwth @kai qelw na elpizw oti qa htan h teleytaia- mhpws ayth h sygxysh poy epiferate kai stis dikes sas stoxeyseis sas ebale myalo ws kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: To erwthma sas parakalw.

SIDERHS: An qa stamathsete tis epilektikes diarroes se epilegmena Mesa Enhmerwshs.

ANTWNAROS: Sto plaisio twn arxwn kai twn ajiwn ths neas diakybernhshs, o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias kai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos k. Roysopoylos, alla ki egw proswpika, antimetwpisame sto parelqon kai antimetwpizoyme ola ta MME anejairetws isotima kai xwris diakriseis.

SIDERHS: An krinoyme apo ayta poy blepoyme dhmosieymena eniote, den threitai ayto poy lete h ish apostash. Yparxoyn kapoia Mesa Enhmerwshs pio isa apo ta alla.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei sto akeraio kai xwris kamia parekklish h dhlwsh poy molis ekana.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ekrine oti den eprepe na mpei se leptomereies @poy den einai fysika leptomereies- twn shmeiwn ths epistolhs Nimits pros toys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn. Ekrine oti to idio eprepe na kanei kai me synadelfoys toy ypoyrgoys sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oi opoioi endexomenws na enhmerwqhkan prin apo toys ypoloipoys gia to Skopiano zhthma kai tis ejelijeis poy qa eixame h den egine kamia apolytws enhmerwsh kai se kanenan, monon ston Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Molybiaths enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh ws ofeile.

KORAH: Kai me oles tis leptomereies;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KORAH: Den moy apanthsate.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

TSIODRAS: Otan lete enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh, ennoeite oti o k. Molybiaths enhmerwse ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, toys ypoyrgoys h o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwse thn kybernhsh; Kai, deyteron, eipate oti den dierreyse apo ypoyrgoys. Dhladh, den dierreyse apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs h epistolh;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka ep` aytoy. Katalhgete se biastika symperasmata. Den eimai se qesh na sas pw, ayth th stigmh, pws mia efhmerida h ena Meso apekthse ena keimeno h tmhmata enos keimenoy.

TSIODRAS: Me sygxwreite, den dierreyse apo ypoyrgoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy sas eipa isxyei opws sas to eipa. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo ep` aytoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kat` arxhn, emeis den katalhgoyme se kanena ayqaireto symperasma. Rwtame, h kybernhsh mporei na mas apokleisei oti dierreyse apo ekeinh h epistolh; Ayto einai ena erwthma. Kai ena deytero, otan dhmioyrgeitai meizon politiko qema apo toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, giati den toys doqhke to sygkekrimeno epimaxo kommati, fysika kai yparxei ena qema politikhs eyqynhs gia to pws efqase ston Typo. Politikh eyqynh den nomizw oti qa apodwsoyme stoys dhmosiografoys poy to eixan.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa egw kati tetoio; Apedwsa kamia politikh eyqynh stoys dhmosiografoys; Ekeino to opoio sas eipa einai oti to keimeno ayto den prohlqe apo thn kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Efoson, loipon, apokleiete na dierreyse apo ypoyrgoys, shmainei oti exete kanei ereyna.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Ara, pws to apokleiete; Ayqaireta;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw pws leitoyrgei h shmerinh kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Pws apokleiete, k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ep` aytoy na sas pw tipote allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me ta epimaxa zhthmata poy qetei to mnhmonio h h epistolh Nimits, eixe enhmerwsei armodiws o k. Molybiaths ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias k. Karolo Papoylia; Ennow gia ta epimaxa zhthmata.

ANTWNAROS: Den perimenete asfalws apo emena na ypeiselqw sto periexomeno ths enhmerwshs poy kanei o Ypoyrgos twn Ejwterikwn ston anwtato politeiako paragonta.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh protiqetai na zhthsei thn apaleich twn arnhtikwn kat` aythn shmeiwn apo thn epistolh Nimits h opws o k. Balhnakhs qewrei oti einai epityxia to shmeio oti kamia xwra h perioxh den mporei na xrhsimopoihsei ton oro Matsentonia;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den egine akomh antilhpto, par` oti exoyn perasei arketes hmeres, ayto poy exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws: Oti prokeitai gia ena keimeno to opoio den einai symfwnia, den einai prosxedio symfwnias gia to opoio mas zhteitai na poyme ena nai h ena oxi. Prokeitai gia protaseis toy dieqnoys mesolabhth, gia tis opoies kaloyntai oi dyo pleyres poy emplekontai na dieykrinisoyn an tis dexontai ws bash gia diapragmateysh. Eipame kai xqes, se ayth edw thn aiqoysa, oti orismena qemata gia thn Ellada einai mh diapragmateysima. Ayto ta leei ola. Ekeino, omws, poy metra einai na topoqethqei h allh pleyra. Efoson, den topoqeteitai h allh pleyra, den proxwra h diapragmateysh. Den proxwra h peraiterw syzhthsh se dimeres epipedo me thn paroysia, bebaiws, toy dieqnoys diamesolabhth.

KAKALHS: Topoqethqhke h allh pleyra kai xqes me ton prwqypoyrgo kai sta Hnwmena Eqnh@

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, exei epiblhqei apo ton dieqnh mesolabhth apagoreysh dhmosiwn dhlwsewn, ena mplak aoyt, gia to qema. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, hdh, apo thn perasmenh Paraskeyh me tis epifylajeis poy ejefrase, me pollh safhneia, o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, eipe oti qewrei ayto to keimeno, to eggrafo, to mnhmonio @opws qelete peite to- ws bash gia diapragmateysh, me thn epifylajh oti orismena shmeia prepei, eite na dieykrinistoyn, eite na tropopoihqoyn. H allh pleyra fainetai na mhn to apodexetai. Synepws, den diapragmateyetai kaneis me ton eayton toy.

BLAXOS: Me dedomeno oti dexeste oti den proxwra allo h diapragmateysh, qa hqela na mas peite, poia einai ta epomena stadia, poies einai oi epomenes kinhseis ths kybernhshs. Giati einai profanes oti ta Skopia epidiwkoyn na epanalambanetai ayto poy egine prosfata, paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, dhladh, jenos hgeths na anaferetai sth geitonikh ayth xwra me to onoma ``Makedonia''. Qa hqela na mas peite, apo edw kai pera, ti qa kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh den exoyme akomh epishmh, dhmosia, desmeytikh topoqethsh ths allhs pleyras kai kyriws epeidh den mas exei enhmerwsei h pleyra twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn -h opoia exei kai thn eyqynh gia tis prospaqeies pros aneyresh ths lyshs sto plaisio twn epafwn ths, me tis dyo pleyres- h ellhnikh kybernhsh den exei logo, ayth th stigmh, na topoqethqei peran twn oswn eipe dia stomatos toy k. Molybiath thn perasmenh Paraskeyh. Ayth einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai panw se ayth th qesh qa poreyqoyme. Oson afora sthn topoqethsh tritwn xwrwn: Oi trites xwres exoyn thn eykairia na diapistwsoyn gia prwth fora -meta apo polla xronia diapragmateyshs poy ginotan en kryptw kai xwris na leei kaneis ti ginotan, xwris kamias morfhs enhmerwsh- jekaqara poios einai ajiopistos synomilhths kai poios einai etoimos na proxwrhsei se oysiastikes diapragmateyseis.

KORAH: Qa prospaqhsw na ermhneysw mia apanthsh sas. Otan prin apo ligo sas rwthsa ean enhmerwse o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn synadelfoys toy gia tis protaseis Nimits kai gia thn epimaxh diatajh, opoy apokleiontai apo to dikaiwma kai oi dyo pleyres na aytoapokaloyntai ``Makedones'', moy eipate: ``to ekane ws ofeile''. Egw ayto to ermhneyw oti toys ta eipe ola. H erwthsh moy einai: Yphrjan enstaseis sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, o k. Molybiaths enhmerwse to kybernhtiko sxhma ws ofeile. Kai qa prosqesw to ejhs: Prwton, to en logw edafio -to opoio dhmosieyqhke kai einai asafes, diforoymeno kai gia polloys poy katalabainoyn apo dieqnh diplwmatia, antikeimeno diaforwn ermhneiwn- den einai etsi akribws opws to apodidete. Einai, loipon, ena edafio dektiko parermhneiwn. Ekeino, omws, poy exei shmasia kai ejakoloyqei na metra einai oti o k. Nimits perielabe sto eggrafo toy shmeia - ta opoia o idios ekrine oti eprepe na ypobalei- pros diapragmateysh, pros syzhthsh, efoson to eggrafo toy ginotan dekto ws bash gia diapragmateysh, pros tis dyo pleyres. Den shmainei pws otan jekinaei mia diapragmateysh ola ta shmeia poy perilambanontai einai apodekta, eite apo th mia, eite apo thn allh pleyra. Emeis, ej arxhs, diatypwsame tis enstaseis mas, tis epifylajeis mas kai eipame jekaqara oti yparxoyn shmeia, ta opoia prepei, eite na tropopoihqoyn, eite na apaleifqoyn apo to keimeno. Ekeino to opoio ginetai synexeia antikeimeno mias paranohshs, einai oti den exoyme fqasei sto stadio enos oristikoy, sympefwnhmenoy keimenoy, to opoio kaloyntai oi dyo pleyres, na monografhsoyn, na ypogracoyn, na egkrinoyn h na epikyrwsoyn. Anakefalaiwnw: Prokeitai gia ena keimeno, sto opoio o dieqnhs mesolabhths katagrafei orismena stoixeia, ta opoia, kata th dikh toy ektimhsh, einai dynato na dhmioyrghsoyn mia bash gia peraiterw diapragmateysh twn dyo pleyrwn, wste ekeines na fqasoyn se mia sympefwnhmenh lysh.

KORAH: Mhpws h ellhnikh kybernhsh biasthke, giati olh ayth h diadikasia einai akomh se ena poly prwimo stadio.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den qa symfwnhsw mazi sas se ayto. Antiqetws, h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia prwth fora meta apo para polla xronia deixnei oti einai diateqeimenh na proxwrhsei se diapragmateysh. Emeis zhthsame epispeysh twn diadikasiwn sta Hnwmena Eqnh, oi opoies eixan baltwsei gia dyo-tria xronia. Den eixan ginei bhmata mprosta. Kai apotelesma ayths ths syzhthshs einai h en logw prwtoboylia poy anelabe o k. Nimits.

SOYGLERHS: qa hqela na rwthsw, ean o k. Molybiaths zhthse apo toys politikoys arxhgoys, sthn prosfath synanthsh toys, na toy dwsoyn graptes kapoies protaseis h qeseis poy exoyn. Kai ean afhse anoikto to qema na janasynanthqoyn meta tis ejelijeis poy qa epakoloyqhsoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy kat` arxas, ean toys zhthse tetoies graptes protaseis. Den exw plhroforhqei kai den nomizw oti o k. Molybiaths aphyqyne ena tetoio aithma pros toys politikoys arxhgoys toys opoioys synanthse. Opws jerete, h kybernhsh me prwtognwrh syxnothta -h opoia jeperna otidhpote allo exei ginei sto parelqon- enhmerwnei ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs gia basika qemata poy aforoyn sthn ejwterikh politikh. Allwste, gia prwth fora sthn istoria mas, exoyn ginei ston problepomeno xrono oles anejairetws oi synedriaseis toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Ejwterikhs Politikhs.

SEISOBA: Ektos apo ton topoqethsh toy k. Molybiath dhmosia panw se merika stoixeia enos eggrafoy toy k. Nimits, h Aqhna sebomenh ths diadikasia, exei apanthsei dia ths kanonikhs odoy ston k. Nimits;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Molybiaths emfanisthke dhmosia kai ekane dhlwsh on camera me sygkekrimeno periexomeno. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti ayth h dhlwsh exei th morfh epishmhs topoqethshs ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Einai syntetagmenh dhlwsh-topoqethsh.

SEISOBA: Dhladh, den yparxei allh dhlwsh ths Elladas pros ton Nimits, oson afora to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw. O k. Molybiaths thn perasmenh Paraskeyh anakoinwse dhmosia thn epishmh qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

KORAH: Alla, o k. Nimits den einai aparaithto na prosfeygei ston ellhniko Typo gia na enhmerwqei.

ANTWNAROS: Eikazw basimws oti h dhlwsh toy k. Molybiath exei epidoqei, dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy, ston k. Nimits.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mexri pote einai diateqeimenh h ellhnikh kybernhsh na einai sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn me thn allh pleyra; Yparxei enas orizontas; Exei programmatistei na yparjei enas orizontas me ton OHE, ton Nimits kai thn allh pleyra;

ANTWNAROS: Afhste prwta na arxisoyn oi diapragmateyseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den exoyn arxisei akoma;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto akribws ejhghsa leptomerws molis pro oligoy. Oi diapragmateyseis qa arxisoyn apo th stigmh poy oi dyo pleyres apodexqoyn tis protaseis Nimits ws bash gia diapragmateysh. Kati to opoio, mexri stigmhs, jekaqara, desmeytika kai epishma exei kanei h ellhnikh pleyra.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ean telika aporrifqei ayto to keimeno apo thn allh pleyra;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

TSIODRAS: Diadikastika, qa mporoysate na mas peite th synexeia; Exei apanthsei h ellhnikh pleyra, exei apanthsei h pleyra twn Skopiwn, h epomenh kinhsh poia qa einai;

ANTWNAROS: H prwtoboylia ayth th stigmh anhkei ston k. Nimits.

KORAH: Genika sth diplwmatikh faretra ths kybernhshs yparxei panta to oplo toy veto, oson afora ta Skopia, Makedonia h opws einai to onoma poy proteinei o k. Nimits;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

KORAH: San oplo antistashs kapoia dedomenh stigmh.

ANTWNAROS: Veto se poion;

KORAH: Ean den apodexqoyn ta Skopia na mplokarei h Ellada thn eisodo toys sthn E.E.;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai safhs. Pisteyei oti mono me thn ejeyresh mias amoibaia apodekths lyshs sto qema ths onomasias kai oi dimereis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn qa beltiwqoyn apofasistika kai h staqerothta sthn eyryterh perioxh qa wfelhqei. Epishs, qa sthrixqoyn oi prospaqeies poy kanei h geitonikh xwra gia entajh ths, toso sthn E.E., oso kai sto NATO.

KORAH: Ean pei oxi, qa xrhsimopoihsoyme veto;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka epi toy qematos.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes, o k. Nimits eixe mia synanthsh me ton k. Dhmhtrof. H ellhnikh kybernhsh enhmerwqhke gia thn apanthsh twn Skopiwn, apo ton k. Nimits;

ANTWNAROS: Apo plhrofories poy exoyme -kai opws diafainotan hdh apo diafores dhlwseis ekproswpwn ths geitonikhs xwras- oi arxes ths PGDM den fainetai na apodexontai thn protash diapragmateyshs toy dieqnoys diapragmateyth k. Nimits. Opws sas eipa, o k. Nimits se opoiodhpote qema poy sxetizetai me tis epafes poy kanei, exei epiballei black out. Gi ayto sas eipa oti anamenoyme thn topoqethsh toy k. Nimits. Ekeinos einai poy kanei tis epafes metajy twn dyo pleyrwn. Ekeinos katelhje se ena keimeno, to opoio ypebale stis dyo pleyres. Ekeinos exei kai th dynatothta na topoqethqei.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe an exw katalabei kala h kybernhsh einai diateqeimenh, ean kai efoson oi proypoqeseis mas ikanopoioyn kai yparxei eyreia synainesh apo ola ta kommata sthn Ellada, na anagnwrisoyme ta Skopia me to onoma poy proteinei o k. Nimits. Kai an bebaiws to dexqoyn ta Skopia. H erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: Sthn periptwsh poy fqanoyme se mia symfwnia gia to onoma kai ola lynontai kalws, toys katoikoys aytoy toy kratoys kai th systatikh eqnothta th megalh ws ti thn anagnwrizoyme;

ANTWNAROS: Eipate oti h ellhnikh pleyra einai diateqeimenh me synainesh klp. klp. na apodexqei ayto to onoma. Ola ta qemata ta opoia perilambanontai mesa sto keimeno, ejartwntai to ena apo to allo. Einai antikeimeno synolikhs diapragmateyshs. Emeis eipame oti qewroyme to sygkekrimeno eggrafo ws bash gia thn enarjh diapragmateyshs. Yparxoyn para polla qemata, metajy twn opoiwn kai ayto poy anaferate, poy einai pros dieykrinish. H qetikh ekbash mias diapragmateyshs, synolika, ejartatai apo thn yparjh symfwnias se polla epi meroys qemata ta opoia einai - to kaqena jexwrista endexomenws @ poly megalhs shmasias gia to synoliko apotelesma ths diapragmateyshs.

IWANNOY: Xqes kai ta tria kommata ths antipoliteyshs zhthsan apo koinoy thn epikyrwsh toy Eyrwsyntagmatos kai me dhmochfisma, afoy chfistei apo th Boylh. H kybernhsh qa skefqei ayth thn protash, meta thn kyrwsh apo th Boylh na kyrwqei kai me dhmochfisma;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei parei safh qesh. Prokeitai gia mia qesh thn opoia eixan parei oles oi ellhnikes kybernhseis apo to @74 kai meta, sxetika me thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh kai th syndesh ths Elladas me thn Eyrwph. Den qewrei oti meta apo thn anamenomenh epikyrwsh toy Eyrwsyntagmatos apo th Boylh, qa yparxei logos na diejaxqei dhmochfisma. Allwste qa hqela na sas qymisw oti, opws sas eipa, kai oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis eixan pei oti den yphrxe logos dhmochfismatos. Sas ypenqymizw oti to 1998 o tote Prwqypoyrgos k. Shmiths rhta kai kathgorhmatika elege: ``Einai pagia taktikh oti sthn Ellada den apofasizontai ta qemata twn synqhkwn ths E.E. me dhmochfisma, alla mesa apo tis diadikasies poy problepontai sto Syntagma apo th Boylh''.

BLAXOS: Dhladh mas lete ``empros sto dromo poy xaraje o k. Shmiths'';

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ta dyo megala kommata ths Boylhs, ypo palaioteres kai neoteres hgesies, den eixan qesei qema dhmochfismatos. Aytes oi prwtoboylies poy ejyphretoyn alloys stoxoys, den nomizw oti einai pros to symferon twn Ellhnwn politwn, na klhqoyn dhladh gia trith fora mesa se 14 @ 15 mhnes stis kalpes.

IWANNOY: Ti apantate s` aytoys poy lene pws fobatai h kybernhsh endexomenws oti o ellhnikos laos mporei na katachfisei to Eyrwsyntagma; Yparxei tetoia anhsyxia;

ANTWNAROS: Sth Boylh an den kanw laqos yparxoyn dyo kommata ta opoia ekproswpoyn synolika peripoy to 90% toy ellhnikoy laoy kai ta opoia exoyn ekfrastei yper toy Eyrwsyntagmatos. Den ekfrazoyn ayta ta dyo kommata th boylhsh twn Ellhnwn kai twn Ellhnidwn politwn;

KAKALHS: Kai sth Gallia to synolo, sxedon, toy politikoy kosmoy einai yper toy Eyrwsyntagmatos alla to 54% toy gallikoy laoy, symfwna me tis dhmoskophseis, einai kata toy Eyrwsyntagmatos. Ayto poy eipate den synepagetai ara kai laikh etymhgoria.

ANTWNAROS: H kaqe xwra exei th dikh ths istoria, sxetika me th diejagwgh dhmochfismatwn. Sthn Ellada olh h eyrwpaikh poreia perase mesa apo th Boylh. Kai malista gia qemata, gia synqhkes poy eixan megalyterh barythta apo ayth th sygkekrimenh. Allwste eipame oti se kaqe xwra akoloyqeitai o dromos poy h sygkekrimenh xwra exei epilejei gia thn eyrwpaikh ths diadromh.

GKOYTZANHS: An moy epitrepete, otan h koinwnia chfizei ena komma gia na ginei kybernhsh, den shmainei oti symfwnei apolyta me ola ta shmeia toy programmatos toy. Mporei to Eyrwsyntagma na einai ena apo ekeina ta shmeia sta opoia h ellhnikh koinwnia den symfwnei. Pws to proejofleite;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei. Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs exoyn to dikaiwma, bebaiws, na kanoyn tis dikes toys topoqethseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Exw dyo erwthmata gia oikonomika qemata. To ena einai an h kybernhsh telika meleta to endexomeno katarghshs toy katwtatoy misqoy kai nomizw oti oi polites xreiazontai diabebaiwsh peri aytoy. Kai to deytero einai pws akribws ennoei o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai h kybernhsh th synainesh sto qema ths oikonomias kai stis diarqrwtikes allages.

ANTWNAROS: Na sas diabasw ti akribws eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs xqes;

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia th systash diakommatikhs epitrophs. Einai gnwsto ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Kai prosqese: ``Se kaqe periptwsh omws, h eyqynh gia thn prowqhsh twn anagkaiwn metarryqmisewn, barainei emas''. H kybernhsh den apempolei to dikaiwma ths na kanei metarryqmiseis. Einai ypoxrewsh ths na kanei metarryqmiseis. Eipe de epishs o k. Alogoskoyfhs oti ``einai kati poy to xrwstame sta paidia mas, sta opoia den mporoyme na afhsoyme xreh kai barh, alla prepei na afhsoyme mia akmazoysa kai dynath oikonomia''. Kaloyme loipon thn antipoliteysh s` ayto to dromo poy emeis exoyme xarajei kai qeloyme na akoloyqhsoyme, na erqoyn kai na symporeytoyn. Na poyn tis apoceis toys, na symprajoyn ki ekeinoi sth diamorfwsh tetoiwn allagwn oi opoies, kata thn ektimhsh mas, einai aparaithtes. Se ekeinoys enapokeitai an qa symprajoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na symfwnhsoyn dhladh akomh kai sthn katarghsh toy katwtatoy misqoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw tipota tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs; Giati yparxoyn shmera dhmosieymata poy anaferontai.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den sxoliazw memonwmena dhmosieymata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw rwtw omws gia thn kybernhsh: Yparxei stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs to endexomeno ths katarghshs toy katwtatoy misqoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoies plhrofories.

BLAXOS: Dhladh rwthsate kai den sas edwsan apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Na sas ikanopoihsw kyrie Blaxo: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

BLAXOS: Ayto malista. Ayto einai allo pragma.

KORAH: Tis prohgoymenes hmeres eixame mia sygkroysh anamesa ston Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ton armodio Ypoyrgo ton k. Paylopoylo, se oti afora to wrario twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. O k. Meimarakhs eqese ena poly eylogo erwthma. Apo th stigmh poy ayth h kybernhsh exei san stoxo ths, opws diamhnyei synexws, thn ejyphrethsh twn politwn, giati den ejetazei to endexomeno se kapoies yphresies kai se periodoys aixmhs na syzhthqei h epektash toy wrarioy; Dhladh giati prepei na einai ayto to klassiko 08:00 @ 15:00 h 08:00 @ 14:00, poso einai sto dhmosio, den to jerw akribws.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe protash, kaqe idea einai asfalws gonimh.

KORAH: Giati o k. Paylopoylos to apekleise oristika.

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh exei dwsei thn plhrh yposthrijh ths sta Kentra Ejyphrethshs Politwn. Synolika se olh thn Ellada leitoyrgoyn kati ligotero apo 1.000 KEP. H kybernhsh ta enisxyse me pantos eidoys ejoplismo, alla kai me to proswpiko poy xreiazotan. Toys dinei th dynatothta na ejyphretoyn toys polites kai to apogeyma. Qa ryqmistei kai h leitoyrgia @ orismenwn ryqmizetai hdh @ gia to Sabbato. An den kanw laqos einai kapoy 140 ayta poy leitoyrgoyn me aytes tis synqhkes. Ayto ti shmainei; Olo kai perissotero dhmosies yphresies syndeontai me ta KEP. Me ton tropo ayto ayjanoyn diarkws oi dynatothtes poy exoyn oi polites na apoktoyn, mesw twn KEP, ta eggrafa, ta pistopoihtika, tis bebaiwseis poy xreiazontai xwris na ypoxrewnontai na prosfeygoyn oi idioi stis dhmosies yphresies. Me th leitoyrgia kai ta apogeymata ejyphretoyntai oi polites oi opoioi to prwi doyleyoyn kai den mporoyn kata tekmhrio na apeyqynqoyn se dhmosies yphresies. Ektos toytoy, kata peristash, leitoyrgoyn orismenes dhmosies yphresies se wres oi opoies einai ektos toy synhqoys wrarioy. Gia tis efories h gia ta Taxydromeia, gnwrizete oti leitoyrgoyn, ektos wrarioy, kata thn periodo ths ypobolhs twn forologikwn dhlwsewn. Yparxoyn eidikes ryqmiseis gia toys arxaiologikoys xwroys kai ta moyseia, oi opoies kai qa beltiwqoyn. As mhn jexname oti edw, sto palio Ypoyrgeio Typoy, stis dyo Grammateies poy systegazontai twra, einai mia kat` ejoxhn dhmosia yphresia opoy ergazontai ypallhloi kai apogeymatines kai bradines wres kai polles fores kai Sabbatokyriako. Qelw na pw oti ayto deixnei pws stis dhmosies yphresies yparxei eyelijia ekei opoy xreiazetai. Synepws den yparxei logos na ginetai syzhthsh gia genikeysh ths allaghs toy wrarioy stis dhmosies yphresies, alla na ginontai oi anagkaies prosarmoges opote xreiazetai kai opote krinetai oti einai anagkaio ap` ton xarakthra ths perioxhs, fer` eipein, an einai toyristikh perioxh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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