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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Aprilioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn toy me boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, qa synanthqei shmera me toys kyrioys Karra, Xrysh, Adrakta, Giannelh, Qalassino kai thn k. Xrysh Karydh.

Ayrio, Pempth 14 Aprilioy, stis 11.30 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Serbias-Mayroboynioy k. Ntraskobits.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

BITALHS: Einai polla ta qemata, alla qa jekinhsw apo ta ellhnotoyrkika. Xqes eixame mia prwtofanh energeia. Peripoy 27 wres briskotan toyrkikh aktaiwros entos twn ellhnikwn xwrikwn ydatwn, plhsion twn Imiwn. Dyo pragmata qelw na rwthsw: H aktaiwros apoxwrhse shmera peripoy stis 11 kai kati. Apo xqes meta to peras 4-5 wrwn, h Ellada hgeire qema pros thn toyrkikh pleyra gia paranomh paramonh entos twn ellhnikwn xwrikwn ydatwn ths aktaiwroy; Deyteron, exoyme thn apoxwrhsh ths toyrkikhs aktaiwroy kai taytoxrona exoyme apoxwrhsh ths ellhnikhs aktaiwroy. Qelw na jerw, an htan taytoxronh h apoxwrhsh kai an yphrxe symfwnia gi` ayth thn apoxwrhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada parakoloyqhse, opws dhlwsa xqes, apo thn arxh apo konta kai synexws tis teleytaies ejelijeis sto Aigaio. Elabe ola ta aparaithta metra kai proebh se oles tis endeiknyomenes energeies, wste kai ta eqnika, kyriarxika symferonta ths xwras sto Aigaio na diafylaxqoyn apolytws kai na yparjei ektonwsh ths krishs poy proklhqhke.

BITALHS: Symplhrwmatika, giati den moy apanthsate sto deytero erwthma. To deytero erwthma einai, an yphrje symfwnia gia taytoxronh apoxwrhsh ths ellhnikhs kai ths toyrkikhs aktaiwroy, plhsion twn Imiwn.

ANTWNAROS: Eginan oi aparaithtes energeies kai synennohseis.

BLAXOS: Qa jekinhsw me mia perigrafh gia na sas balw sto klima ki esas. Ftanei to aeroplano toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sthn Agkyra. Thn idia wra yparxei toyrkiko ploio poy apeilei, parenoxlei mesa sta ellhnika xwrika ydata Ellhna cara, toy leei ``fyge, giati edw einai toyrkika xwrika ydata''. Thn idia wra polemika toyrkika aeroskafh petoyn panw apo to pedio bolhs sthn Andro, thn wra poy diejagetai ellhnikh askhsh. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean yphrje problhmatismos sthn kybernhsh gia to an prepei o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. P. Molybiaths na synexisei na brisketai sthn Agkyra h na epistrecei sthn Aqhna. Kai deyteron, qelw na sas pw to ejhs: Otan lete ``parakoloyqoyse stena'', ti parakoloyqoyse; Yparxei eisbolh toyrkikoy ploioy se ellhnika ydata. Ti parakoloyqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh parakoloyqoyse stena tis xqesines ejelijeis kai proebh se oles tis endedeigmenes energeies

BLAXOS: Ti ekane;

ANTWNAROS: Elabe ola ta endeiknyomena metra.

BLAXOS: Poia einai ayta;

ANTWNAROS: H diplwmatia den diejagetai dhmosiws.

BLAXOS: Wraia, gia ton k. Molybiath;

ANTWNAROS: Den yphrje tetoios problhmatismos.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, thn epomenh fora qa prepei na katalaboyn to edafos twn Imiwn, opws egine to 1996, gia na stamathsei ayth h syzhthsh parwdias peri Metrwn Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs sto Aigaio;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi gnwrizoyn oti to epeisodio sta @Imia to 1996 egine epi allhs kybernhsews.

GKOYTZANHS: An moy epitrepete, epeidh einai h idia erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Sarantakos, parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Exw dikaiwma na kanw erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Sarantakos exei to logo.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma, pali moy stereite to logo.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas sterw kaqoloy to logo.

GKOYTZANHS: Den exoyme to dikaiwma na kanoyme deyterh h kai trith erwthsh sto idio qema;

ANTWNAROS: Fysika, me th seira. O k. Sarantakos parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma, einai prwtofanh ayta.

ANTWNAROS: Prwtofanhs einai h symperifora sas se ayth thn aiqoysa, k. Gkoytzanh.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti h diplwmatia den ginetai dhmosiws. Shmera se dyo efhmerides diabazoyme diplwmatika keimena. To ena einai epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton Amerikano Proedro kai to allo einai h epistolh Nimits pros thn Ellada. Kat` arxhn, qelw na rwthsw, yparxei epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sthn opoia anaferetai ayto poy grafei h efhmerida oti einai enas kalos symbibasmos, opws leei o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos; O xarakthrismos aytos poy brisketai se eisagwgika sthn efhmerida, apotelei frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: An mh ti allo kalo qa einai osoi dhmosieyoyn epishma keimena, na frontizoyn toylaxiston na dhmosieyoyn to akribes periexomeno toys. O xarakthrismos poy anaferete den yparxei poyqena sthn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, sxetika me tis protaseis toy eidikoy ekproswpoy twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn k. Maqioy Nimits, gia to zhthma ths onomasias ths PGDM, apesteile epistoles pros toys kyrioys Tzortz Mpoys, Proedro twn HPA, Zan Klwnt Gioynker, Prwqypoyrgo toy Loyjemboyrgoy kai Proedreyonta toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, Xose Manoyel Mparozo, Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, Gkerxarnt Srenter, Kagkelario ths Omospondiakhs Dhmokratias ths Germanias kai Giap nte Xop Sefer, Geniko Grammatea toy NATO. Stis epistoles aytes den perilambanetai ayto poy anagrafetai sto en logw dhmosieyma. To ti perilambanetai sthn epistolh, qa to deite se keimeno poy qa sas dianemhqei.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, k. Ekproswpe, einai dynaton o ellhnikos laos na maqainei apo mia dhmosiografo oti o Prwqypoyrgos stelnei aytes tis epistoles gia ena meizon eqniko qema;

ANTWNAROS: O ekastote Prwqypoyrgos ths Elladas kai epistoles stelnei kai thlefwnhmata kanei kai epafes exei stis opoies bebaiws den ginontai koinwnoi ta MME.

BLAXOS: Gia poio logo;

ANTWNAROS: H diplwmatia den pragmatopoieitai se anoikto xwro. Diaforetika, qa kaloysame antiproswpoys toy Typoy na einai parontes kata th diarkeia twn syzhthsewn tis opoies exei o Prwqypoyrgos h o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn me jenoys epishmoys, na diabazoyn kai na egkrinoyn ek twn proterwn tis epistoles, na parakoloyqoyn kai na einai parontes se thlefwnhmata.

BLAXOS: Na sas qymisw oti o k. Karamanlhs eixe kathgorhsei tis prohgoymenes kybernhseis gia mystikh diplwmatia. Shmera, ayto den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Den einai mystikh diplwmatia ayto poy ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa: Oxi.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kat` arxas qa prepei na dwsoyme sygxarhthria sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn gia thn ergwdh prospaqeia toy na prowqhsei thn ypochfiothta ths k. Paparizoy, mesw thlegrafhmatos poy esteile stis Presbeies. Qelw na rwthsw, ean thn idia ergwdh prospaqeia epedeije na epidwsei chfisma diamartyrias gia th xqesinh eisbolh sta @Imia, ths toyrkikhs aktaiwroy. Ayto den einai qema mystikhs h anoikths diplwmatias na maqoyme oti epedoqh diabhma diamartyrias.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei ejantlhtika sto qema.

SIDERHS: To anaferate ayto, otan ginotan kapoio diabhma diamartyrias. Twra, giati den to anaferete; Mhpws den egine;

ANTWNAROS: Oi prohgoymenes apanthseis moy kalyptoyn apolyta to qema.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an to keimeno ths epistolhs toy k. Karamanlh pros toys kyrioys Mpoys, Gioynker k.lp. poy mas doqhke, einai ayto poy mas dianemhqhke h an yparxoyn kai alla shmeia poy den exoyn doqei sth dhmosiothta. Prosqetw se ayto, an den exoyn doqei ta ypoloipa shmeia sth dhmosiothta, giati epilegontai ta sygkekrimena poy exoyme mprosta mas;

ANTWNAROS: Doqhkan sth dhmosiothta ta oysiastika shmeia toy keimenoy. Den perilambanontai proswpika stoixeia kai anafores sto parelqon.

TSIODRAS: Ara yparxoyn kai alla shmeia@

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me ti hmeromhnia efyge h sygkekrimenh epistolh kai kyriws me endiaferei ean efyge prin apo thn enhmerwsh twn politikwn arxhgwn apo ton k. Molybiath; Dioti edw blepoyme oti safws dhlwnei o Prwqypoyrgos pws h ellhnikh kybernhsh apodexetai san bash, sthn teleytaia paragrafo.

ANTWNAROS: Poy blepete th diafora; Osa eipe sth dhlwsh toy o k. Molybiaths emperiexontai kai sthn epistolh.

KORAH: Poio to nohma na kalesei, tote, toys politikoys arxhgoys, afoy hdh o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh apofasisan na apodexqoyn@

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipame polles fores, tis teleytaies hmeres, oti h kybernhsh enhmerwse toys politikoys arxhgoys. Den zhthse th symfwnh gnwmh, oyte thn proegkrish twn politikwn arxhgwn gia na proxwrhsei. H kybernhsh, o k. Molybiaths -qa sas epanalabw gia mia akomh fora- sto plaisio ths synaineshs enhmerwnei toys politikoys arxhgoys. H diatypwsh thn opoia xrhsimopoihse o k. Molybiaths einai para poly safhs. H kybernhsh exei kai thn entolh kai thn apofasistikothta kai th qelhsh na proxwrhsei se ekeina ta bhmata ta opoia krinei oti prepei na kanei, wste na dwsei xeiropiastes, oysiastikes, apotelesmatikes lyseis.

KORAH: Mporoyme na maqoyme thn hmeromhnia;

ANTWNAROS: Oi epistoles stoys k.k. Mpoys kai Gioynker estalhsan thn Paraskeyh, stoys de ypoloipoys apodektes proxqes, th Deytera.

XIWTHS: Eipate oti den dinete to plhres keimeno twn epistolwn, dioti periexoyn kapoia proswpika stoixeia. Anarwtiemai prwton, ti eidoys proswpika stoixeia einai ayta se mia epishmh allhlografia ta opoia qelete na parameinoyn mystika. Kai deyteron an den dinete to plhres keimeno twn epistolwn aytwn, pws einai dynaton na diapistwsoyme ayto poy anaferetai shmera se reportaz efhmeridwn, oti dhladh yparxoyn alles apoxrwseis apodoxhs ths protashs Nimits, metajy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia diaforopoihsh metajy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs kai dedomenh. H kybernhsh topoqeteitai me tropo safh, wste na enhmerwsei toys Ellhnes polites.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn kybernhsh thn apasxoloyn aytes oi diarroes poy ginontai synexeia apo to Majimoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa sas parakoloyqhsw stis proswpikes eikasies poy kanete kai sta symperasmata sta opoia katalhgete. Den qa analabw -sas to eipa kai xqes kai proxqes- rolo astynomikoy epiqewrhth se aythn thn aiqoysa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn kybernhsh ennow.

ANTWNAROS: Mhn anazhteite eyqynes gia diarroes ekei poy qelete na tis apodwsete.

KAKALHS: Poia empistosynh mporei na exei o ellhnikos laos sth mystikh diplwmatia poy askei h kybernhsh, apo th stigmh poy enhmerwnei epilektika toys politikoys arxhgoys gia to periexomeno ths epistolhs poy esteile ston OHE kai apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh aisqanetai thn anagkh na symperiferetai san kalo paidi apenanti stis HPA.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh brisketai se synexh dialogo kai me toys etairoys ths sthn Eyrwph kai me toys etairoys ths sto NATO. Ayth einai mia pagia taktikh thn opoia akoloyqei o Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs afotoy ejelegh Prwqypoyrgos ths Elladas. Qewrei oti einai xrhsimo gia ta eqnika symferonta, na enhmerwnontai oi etairoi mas gia shmantika qemata, ta opoia aforoyn thn Ellada.

KAKALHS: O ellhnikos laos giati den enhmerwnetai;

ANTWNAROS: O ellhnikos laos enhmerwnetai poly kala sto metro poy oi dhmosiografoi antapokrinontai sta kaqhkonta toys.

BLAXOS: Profanws, anafereste sthn k. Eirhnh Karanasopoyloy, giati ayth mas enhmerwse. H enhmerwsh egine apo thn k. Eirhnh Karanasopoyloy.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti to en logw dhmosieyma periexei stoixeia ta opoia den yparxoyn sthn epistolh. Kai malista prokeitai gia stoixeia poy diastreblwnoyn thn epistolh.

BLAXOS: Den to jeroyme, pantws, emeis, giati den exoyme to plhres keimeno.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwna me to keimeno poy mas dianemhqhke molis pro oligoy kai afora thn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton k. Mpoys, yposthrizetai xarakthristika oti ``proswpika eimai etoimos na sthrijw mia symfwnia twra''. Me dedomeno oti h epistolh ayth sthn oysia erxetai meta thn ypobolh twn protasewn h toy ypomnhmatos Nimits, den shmainei oti o Prwqypoyrgos symfwnei, den qewrei aplws bash diapragmateyshs tis protaseis, alla th qewrei symfwnia thn opoia o idios prosypografei;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete katalabei -to exw pei epaneilhmmenws tis teleytaies hmeres- thn ennoia ths desmhs idewn, twn protasewn toy k. Nimits. O idios o k. Nimits leei oti aytes oi idees, oi protaseis tis opoies aphyqyne pros tis dyo pleyres, apoteloyn bash gia diapragmateysh. Ayto einai para poly safes. H prosfora gia sthrijh mias lyshs den shmainei oti ayto qa ginei sto amesws epomeno xroniko diasthma. Qa prokycei apo th diadikasia twn diapragmateysewn, tis opoies proteinei o k. Nimits.

PALAIOLOGOS: To gegonos oti hdh sthn epistolh toy o Prwqypoyrgos, qa elega prokatalambanei tis opoies diapragmateyseis, legontas oti ``eimai etoimos na sthrijw mia symfwnia twra'' kai me dedomeno oti exei hdh enhmerwqei armodiws gia tis protaseis Nimits, den shmainei oti sthn oysia sthrizei kai einai etoimos na diapragmateyqei tis sygkekrimenes protaseis;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti to keimeno Nimits den apotelei symfwnia. Den apotelei perigramma symfwnias. Einai ena keimeno, mia desmh idewn, ena synolo protasewn, poy synetaje o k. Nimits kai ypebale stis dyo pleyres, opws eipe allwste kai o idios, ws bash gia diapragmateyseis. Meta apo diapragmateyseis poy qa ginoyn apo ta dyo emplekomena merh, endexetai na odhghqoyn oi dyo pleyres se symfwnia. Ayth th symfwnia -poy proypoqetei dyo pleyres gia na epiteyxqei- desmeyetai o Prwqypoyrgos proswpika na sthrijei. Ayto leei o Prwqypoyrgos.

TABOYLARH: Epeidh einai poly prwtotypo, newteristiko qa elega ayto poy mas eipate prohgoymenws, oti h diplwmatia den ginetai dhmosiws kai ws ek toytoy o ellhnikos laos den mporei na enhmerwqei gia tis energeies poy eginan meta thn paramonh toy toyrkikoy ploioy sta @Imia, qa hqela na mas peite an exoyn allajei kapoia dedomena, akoma kai stis dedomenes kinhseis ths diplwmatias. Emmesws plhn safws, zhtw na mas peite poies einai oi energeies poy eginan. Den zhtw tis mystikes epafes h tis kat` idian syzhthseis poy eginan, alla ekeines tis kinhseis poy prepei na kanei pagiws h diplwmatia se tetoies periptwseis. Den prokeitai gia mystikh diplwmatia. Kai to deytero poy hqela na rwthsw einai an pleon exoyme ena neo tropo enhmerwshs toy ellhnikoy laoy. Dhladh, den dinoyme kapoia pragmata, me kapoion tropo diarreontai kai mh moy peite oti kai ayth th fora doqhkan apo th CIA, KGB, MOSSAD h kapoia allh. Kai den einai dynaton -to lew ws parathrhsh- na dinetai h epistolh meta th dhmosieysh ths. Dhladh prin den mporoyse na doqei kai giati;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den apedwsa th diarroh se kanenan.

TABOYLARH: Oyte egw thn apedwsa, alla otan mas lete oti den exei ginei apo ellhnikh pleyra, telos pantwn, parte to ws rhtoriko sxhma ayto poy eipa.

ANTWNAROS: Pantws, epeidh anaferate diafora onomata, otan rwthqhka xqes kai proxqes, eipa oti den qa ginw astynomikos epiqewrhths. Kai epanalambanw akribws thn idia frash kai shmera.

TABOYLARH: Giati den th dinate prin, gia na mh ginete akribws ntetektib;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti ta keimena ths diplwmatias synhqws einai empisteytika.

MPOYATAR: Ginetai EDE sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, gi` ayto to eidiko qema na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Einai eswteriko qema toy Ypoyrgeioy. Sxetika me th diaxeirish ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths xwras, epanalambanw osa sas eipa molis prin. Sfallei opoios nomizei oti h diplwmatia ginetai me anoixtes portes, paroysia twn dhmosiografwn, oti oi epistoles dinontai pros egkrish stoys dhmosiografoys h sta MME prin apo thn apostolh toys, oti oi thlefwnikes syndialejeis apomagnhtofwnoyntai kai dinontai pros enhmerwsh twn dhmosiografwn h oti oi dhmosiografoi prepei na paristantai kaq` olh th diarkeia twn syzhthsewn.

TABOYLARH: Oydeis eqese se ayth thn aiqoysa ayto to qema, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Den allaje, loipon, apolytws tipote. H kybernhsh exei thn ypoxrewsh na diaxeirizetai ypeyqyna ta ejwterika qemata ths xwras. Kai ayto akribws kanei.

TABOYLARH: Exw allh mia erwthsh. Einai sxetikh me tis energeies poy eginan pros thn toyrkikh pleyra.

ANTWNAROS: @O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

TABOYLARH: Hqela na rwthsw an akoloyqhqhkan oi pagies diadikasies.

ANTWNAROS: Egine o,ti kriqhke skopimo kai apotelesmatiko.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mono se mena den dwsate allh erwthsh. Se oloys toys alloys synadelfoys, dwsate toses erwthseis. Giati ayth h diakrish;

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw kamia diakrish.

GKOYTZANHS: Me thn k. Taboylarh kanete dialogo. Me ton k. Blaxo kanete dialogo. O k. Palaiologos ekane deyterh kai trith erwthsh. To idio egine kai me thn k. Korah. Gia poio logo;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kanei kamia apolytws diakrish. Pairnete kanonika to logo.

GKOYTZANHS: Ennoeite se mena; Afoy epishmanw oti ola ayta yparxoyn sto video kai mporoyn na pistopoihqoyn, giati exw krathsei tis deyteres kai trites erwthseis poy ekanan oi synadelfoi -kai etsi prepei na ginetai sto briefing- qa synexisw apo ekei poy eixa meinei@

ANTWNAROS: Kanete xrhsh kata to dokoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa synexisw sthn oysia ths erwthshs. Ayto poy hqela na epishmanw einai oti th bradia twn Imiwn to 1996 egine mia atyph symfwnia metajy ellhnikhs, toyrkikhs kai amerikanikhs pleyras, h opoia mphke ws eggyhths, poy elege oxi shmaies, oxi opla, oxi ploia sthn perioxh. Twra eixame ena toyrkiko polemiko, aktaiwro, oplismeno poy agkyrobolhse se xwrika ydata. Ayth h symfwnia parabiasthke. Qa hqela na rwthsw an h ellhnikh kybernhsh ekane kati. Enhmerwse thn amerikanikh pleyra; Zhthse kati; Exei allajei kati s` ayto to status; Ti exei ginei;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh proebh se ola ta deonta bhmata.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Ellados paei se epishmh episkech sthn Toyrkia. Thn wra poy syzhta me ton omologo toy k. Gkioyl, ginontai ayta ta gegonota sta @Imia. To erwthma einai to ejhs: H Toyrkia epedeije en synexeia eyaisqhsia na zhthsei syggnwmh kai an ayto den synebh, o k. Molybiaths ekane parastash pros thn toyrkikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den pisteyw na amfisbhtei kaneis se ayth thn aiqoysa oti o k. Molybiaths ekane o,ti htan aparaithto. Yperaspisthke plhrws kai apotelesmatika ta eqnika symferonta. Ep` aytoy den epitrepetai na yparxei h paramikrh amfibolia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Apo toyrkikhs pleyras;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

TSIODRAS: Den qelw na rwthsw gia tis energeies poy ekane o k. Molybiaths kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Qa hqela na moy kanete mia politikh apotimhsh toy gegonotos oti ginetai syzhthsh. Syzhtate gia metra oikodomhshs empistosynhs kai thn idia stigmh ginetai to sygkekrimeno epeisodio. Qa hqela mia politikh apotimhsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia to sygkekrimeno gegonos.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai xqes to brady, to epanalambanw kai shmera, oti tetoies energeies asfalws den ypobohqoyn th beltiwsh toy klimatos.

TSIODRAS: Ayto einai diapistwsh, den einai politikh ektimhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Politikh ektimhsh einai. Tetoies energeies den symballoyn th beltiwsh toy klimatos metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

TSIODRAS: Den exei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ektimhsh giati h Toyrkia, th stigmh poy kaqetai sto trapezi, syzhta me thn ellhnikh pleyra, proxwra s` ayth thn kinhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw tetoies ektimhseis s` ayth thn aiqoysa.

TSIODRAS: Oxi proswpika eseis, h ellhnikh kybernhsh an exei kanei ektimhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sthn aiqoysa ayth paristamai me thn idiothta toy Ekproswpoy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

TSIODRAS: Ara, h ellhnikh kybernhsh den exei kanei ektimhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto katalabate otan sas lew oti den protiqemai na kanw ektimhsh; Ti na pw tote;

XIWTHS: Egw qa to qesw kapws diaforetika, kyrie Ekproswpe. Oi synqhkes poy diamorfwnontai stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis meta thn episkech toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sthn Agkyra kai ta gegonota poy th synodeysan, pisteyete oti einai to periballon me to opoio mporei o Prwqypoyrgos na episkefqei thn Agkyra; Giati exei hdh labei thn prosklhsh apo tis Bryjelles.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei oristei hmeromhnia gia thn episkech poy anaferete.

XIWTHS: Den einai qema hmeromhnias. Milw gia to periballon.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Qelw na kanw mia erwthsh, h opoia kata th dikh moy logikh qewreitai aytonohth, alla den jerw gia esas ti mporei na shmainei: Ta @Imia kai h gyrw perioxh einai ellhnikh kyriarxia;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti h Ellada perifroyrei ta eqnika kyriarxika dikaiwmata kai, bebaiws qewroyme thn perioxh eqniko edafos.

BLAXOS: Pws egine apodekto, loipon, na einai oplismenoi stratiwtes se ena toyrkiko polemiko ploio kai na apeiloyn enan Ellhna polith, o opoios kanei xrhsh toy dikaiwmatos na careyei se ellhnikh kyriarxia, opws eseis mas eipate;

ANTWNAROS: Gi ayton akribws to logo probainoyme se oles ekeines tis energeies, oi opoies apaitoyntai, wste na perifroyrhqoyn apotelesmatika ayta ta dikaiwmata.

BLAXOS: Ma, den prepei na paei ena polemiko ploio na diwjei toys eisboleis;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h kaqe ellhnikh kybernhsh xrhsimopoiei ta metra ekeina twn opoiwn analogika endeiknytai h xrhsh sthn kaqe periptwsh.

BLAXOS: Ayto poy egine apo toyrkikhs pleyras htan, kata thn kybernhsh, eisbolh h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: O kaqe enas exei to dikaiwma na epilegei tis lejeis poy epiqymei, wste na dhmioyrgei entypwseis.

BLAXOS: Poia lejh, loipon, eseis xrhsimopoieite;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti htan energeia h opoia stoxo eixe na qesei se amfisbhthsh ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths xwras se sygkekrimenh perioxh.

BLAXOS: Ara, eisbolh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Eisbolh;

ANTWNAROS: Sth zwh den yparxei mono mayro kai aspro. Yparxoyn kai gkrizoi tonoi merikes fores.

SIDERHS: Skeptetai h kybernhsh mellontika na periorisei ton eqniko enaerio xwro sta eji milia;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

GALIATSATOS: Se synexeia ths apanthshs poy dwsate ston k. Blaxo, kyrie Ekproswpe, einai dynaton h ellhnikh kybernhsh na synainesei sthn entajh sthn E.E. mias xwras, h opoia amfisbhtei ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths xwras mas se mia sygkekrimenh perioxh;

ANTWNAROS: Gia na arxisoyn oi entajiakes diapragmateyseis ths Toyrkias me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, stis 3 Oktwbrioy 2005, qa ektimhqei h synolikh symperifora ths Toyrkias oxi mono apo emas, alla kai apo ta alla 24 krath-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Einai piqano kai to veto ek meroys ths Elladas, stis 3 Oktwbrioy 2005;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

BITALHS: Qa moy epitrecete, kyrie Ekproswpe, parolo poy sas talaipwrhsame me ayto to qema, na epanelqw kai qelw na rwthsw gia allh mia fora akoma: H apoxwrhsh ths toyrkikhs aktaiwroy egine oikeia qelhsei toy kybernhth ths; Egine katopin symfwnias anamesa stis dyo pleyres; Kai ena deytero erwthma einai to ejhs: Xqes, anakoinwqhke oti qa yparjei mia anoikth grammh anamesa sto Strathgeio ths Larisas kai toy Eski Sexir gia to qema ths antimetwpishs twn problhmatwn poy exoyme ston enaerio xwro. Ayto shmainei oti to qema twn parabiasewn, apo edw kai pera, qa antimetwpizetai se dimeres epipedo kai malista se epipedo yphresiako, stratiwtiko, se epipedo xamhlobaqmo stratiwtiko;

ANTWNAROS: H apeyqeias thlefwnikh grammh skopo exei thn apofygh peraiterw klimakwshs mias katastashs, h opoia einai dynaton na ejelixqei se epikindynh katastash. Kata ta alla, h qesh ths xwras mas, epi toy qematos, einai jekaqarh. Ola ta eiserxomena ixnh aeroskafwn sto FIR Aqhnwn, gia ta opoia den exoyn ypoblhqei sxedia pthsews, symfwna me toys dieqneis kanones ths enaerias kykloforias qa anagnwrizontai kai efoson parabiazoyn eqniko enaerio xwro qa anaxaitizontai apo aeroskafh ths Polemikhs Aeroporias. Den allazei apolytws tipote. Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, exw hdh apanthsei kai den blepw to logo na epanelqw.

GKOYTZANHS: Eixame apo thn toyrkikh aktaiwro amfisbhthsh twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn ths xwras mas gia kapoio diasthma. Epishs, na epishmanw oti ayto mporei na eklhfqei ws bia h ws apeilh xrhshs bias apo th geitona xwra, enw exei ypogracei kapoies Synqhkes me thn E.E. Protiqetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh na kataggeilei ayth th symperifora amesa h entos twn prosexwn hmerwn, sthn E.E;

ANTWNAROS: Gia th symperifora ths Toyrkias enhmerwnetai synexws apo emas h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwtw kai to allo. Otan ginontai parabiaseis sto qalassio xwro, ti qa ginei;

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada yperaspizetai ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths anagkazontas ayta ta skafh na apoxwrhsoyn.

TSIODRAS: Ean den kanw laqos, milhsate prin, anaferomenos sthn protash toy k. Nimits gia desmh idewn. Etsi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Apedwsa ton oro poy periexetai sto keimeno toy k. Nimits.

TSIODRAS: Edw, omws, blepontas thn epistolh toy k. Karamanlh leei to ejhs: Exei ypoballei o k. Nimits mia protash me th morfh enos synolikoy sxedioy apofashs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias ston OHE.

ANTWNAROS: Pros diapragmateysh.

TSIODRAS: Milaei o k. Karamanlhs gia synoliko sxedio apofashs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete prosektika thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwsan ta Hnwmena Eqnh, ep` onomati toy k. Nimits.

TSIODRAS: Gia thn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sas milaw.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw. Einai antikeimeno diapragmateyshs. Den einai sympefwnhmeno keimeno. Poses fores prepei na to pw, wste na ginei katanohto;

TSIODRAS: Nomizw oti anamesa sth desmh idewn kai se ena synoliko sxedio apofashs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias, etsi opws to emfanizei o Prwqypoyrgos, yparxei mia apostash. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai to ejhs: Giati sth sygkekrimenh epistolh den anafereste se shmeia ta opoia emeis den qa epiqymoysame na symperilambanontai sto sygkekrimeno sxedio apofashs h sth sygkekrimenh desmh idewn h den jerw pws.

ANTWNAROS: Oi epifylajeis anaferontai me safhneia sthn epistolh.

TSIODRAS: Ara, den mporoyme na syzhthsoyme afoy den jeroyme to keimeno.

SIDERHS: H epistolh ayth einai panomoiotyph gia oloys toys apodektes h diaferei apo apodekth se apodekth;

ANTWNAROS: Analoga me ton apodekth exei mikres diafores.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epanalabate para polles fores oti oi toyrkikes energeies eqesan se amfisbhthsh ta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata kai symferonta sto Aigaio. Den katanohsame gia poio logo den proebh o idios o epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs diplwmatias se diabhma thn wra poy briskotan se toyrkiko edafos;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa egw oti den proebh;

PALAIOLOGOS: Den eipate, omws, oti proebh;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti ekane oles tis aparaithtes energeies.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den eipate, omws, oti proebh se diabhma.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti proebh se oles tis aparaithtes energeies. Peran aytoy den exw na pw tipote apolytws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den einai anakoinwsimo to gegonos oti egine diabhma, dhladh; Ayto den exw katalabei. Ean egine diabhma gia poio logo den to anakoinwnei h ellhnikh pleyra;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti moy anagnwrizete to dikaiwma na diatypwnw tis apanthseis moy.

BLAXOS: Mhpws mporeite na mas enhmerwsete, ean exete apoch, giati telika den epetraph stoys dhmosiografoys na kanoyn erwthseis xqes ston k. Molybiath kai k. Gkioyl; Oi Toyrkoi lene oti htan apaithsh ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Etsi einai;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

KYRITSHS: Sxetika me FIR qelw na rwthsw: Qelw na moy dieykrinisete, efoson eiste se qesh, ean qa synexistei h praktikh anagnwrishs ixnwn ta opoia mpainoyn sto FIR me aeroskafh h qa ginontai me allon tropo; Dhladh, ena qa synexistei h praktikh h opoia isxye mexri twra, na apogeiwnontai aeroskafh gia thn anagnwrish ixnwn h ayth h anagnwrish qa ginetai me allon tropo;

ANTWNAROS: Me ton idio tropo.

BLAXOS: Prin apo liges wres nwris to prwi, egine sth Boylh ena epeisodio me ton k. Pagkalo kai ton k. Paylopoylo. O k. Pagkalos, oysiastika epekrine thn kybernhsh giati den gyrise amesws sthn Aqhna o k. Molybiaths. Mporeite na kanete ena sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia ton k. Pagkalo.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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