Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-04-11

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Aqhna, 11 Aprilioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs apesteile syllyphthrio thlegrafhma ston Arxiepiskopo Amerikhs k. Dhmhtrio, me to ejhs periexomeno: ``Gia thn ekdhmia toy makaristoy Arxiepiskopoy, prwhn Boreioy kai Notioy Amerikhs, Iakwboy, apeyqynw se Sas, kaqws kai sthn omogeneia qermotata syllyphthria. O Arxiepiskopos Iakwbos, spoydaios pneymatikos poimenas kai emcyxwths ths omogeneias, staqhke, mexri kai thn teleytaia toy pnoh, synephs maxhths sthn epaljh toy xreoys, yper twn dikaiwn ths Orqodojias kai toy Ellhnismoy. Apolambanontas parallhla megalo kyros, toso stoys pneymatikoys kykloys, alla kai genikotera sthn koinwnia twn HPA, proaspise me to diko toy egkrito kai peistiko tropo, kaqe fora poy oi peristaseis to epeballan, ta eqnika mas zhthmata, exontas ws apokleistiko gnwmona thn agaph toy gia thn Orqodojia kai thn omogeneia. H Patrida kai o apantaxoy ths ghs Ellhnismos qa qymoyntai me eygnwmosynh thn prosfora toy. Stoys oikeioys toy metastantos, parakalw metaferete ta eilikrinh moy syllyphthria''.

Apotelei megalh proteraiothta ths kybernhshs, alla kai ths ellhnikhs politeias h oysiastikh kefalaiopoihsh toy megaloy dynamikoy twn dekadwn xiliadwn eqelontwn, Ellhnidwn kai Ellhnwn politwn, poy proseferan tis gnwseis toys kai tis yphresies toys, alla apokomisan kai megales empeiries kata thn persinh olympiakh xronia. Toys teleytaioys mhnes, h kybernhsh me systhmatiko kai meqodiko tropo proetoimaze ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio gia thn apotelesmatikh ajiopoihsh aytoy toy megaloy anqrwpinoy dynamikoy. Sth shmerinh synanthsh poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos kai Ypoyrgos Politismoy k. Kwstas Karamanlhs me ton Yfypoyrgo Politismoy k. Petro Tatoylh, apofasisthke h dhmioyrgia enos forea, o opoios qa xeiristei ypeyqyna to sygkekrimeno qema. O foreas aytos exei apostolh, opws sas eipa, na kinhtopoihsei oles tis dynatothtes kai oles tis dynameis sto plaisio ths ``Koinwnias twn Politwn''. Meta apo meleth antistoixwn forewn poy droyn kai leitoyrgoyn se polles xwres ths Eyrwphs, epelegh h dhmioyrgia enos eyeliktoy sxhmatos, to opoio qa ypagetai sto Ypoyrgeio Politismoy. H kybernhsh sxediazei thn chfish apo th Boylh sxetikoy idrytikoy nomoy, o opoios qa paroysiastei otan, bebaiws, oloklhrwqei h epejergasia toy. Epikefalhs toy forea aytoy qa einai o dhmosiografos k. Stelios Syrmogloy.

Shmera, stis 17.45, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa exei synanthsh me th Dhmarxo Aqhnaiwn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh. Stis 20.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei sth 13h taktikh Genikh Syneleysh toy SETE, sto Megaro Moysikhs.

Ayrio, Trith, 12 Aprilioy stis 9.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton Ypoyrgo Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Eyaggelo Mpasiako. Stis 11 to prwi synerxetai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me qema syzhthshs thn epitaxynsh ths aponomhs ths Dikaiosynhs. To Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs eixe syntajei sxetiko nomosxedio, to opoio doqhke prin apo treis mhnes se diaboyleysh. To nomosxedio ayto qa katateqei, me liges tropopoihseis, ayrio sth Boylh.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h erwthsh apeyqynetai ston Ekproswpo toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn poy, opws eida, einai edw@

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na ypoballete tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Perilambanetai h oxi sthn epistolh toy mesolabhth toy G.G. toy OHE k. Nimits h paragrafos sthn opoia anaferetai oti ean kai efoson yparjei symbibasmos, o oros ``Matsentonia'' h ``Makentonia'' den qa mporei na xrhsimopoihqei dieqnws se kamia apo tis dyo pleyres; Enhmerwqhkan h oxi gi` ayto to epimaxo shmeio ths epistolhs oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn me toys opoioys eixe synanthsh o k. Molybiaths thn Paraskeyh;

ANTWNAROS: Me dikh toy prwtoboylia o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Petros Molybiaths enhmerwse, ta politika kommata gia th basikh qesh ths kybernhshs epi ths oysias ths protasews Nimits poy -gia na to jekaqarisoyme mia gia panta- apotelei protash, bash diapragmateyshs pros tis dyo pleyres me stoxo thn epiteyjh mias amoibaia apodekths lyshs sto qema toy onomatos. Ellhnikh qesh einai oti ayth h protash apotelei bash diapragmateyshs. Omws se diafora shmeia ths apaitoyntai dieykriniseis h kai tropopoihseis. Ayth th stigmh den briskomaste kan se stadio diapragmateyshs, kaqws h allh pleyra den exei apanthsei akomh epishma kai desmeytika sthn protash toy k. Nimits. Gia oles tis erwthseis poy exoyn sxesh me to qema, qa apanthsei amesws meta, molis teleiwsoyme me tis erwthseis gia alla qemata, o Ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsakos poy brisketai sthn aiqoysa. Epishs, qa apanthsei kai se qemata poy exoyn sxesh me to ayriano tajidi toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sthn Agkyra.

MELETHS: H erwthsh poy qelw na sas kanw einai politikh, afora thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh qewrei oti se ena toso meizon qema einai eparkhs h enhmerwsh twn politikwn arxhgwn, apo toys opoioys epizhtei synainesh kai synennohsh gia thn epilysh aytoy toy sobaroy zhthmatos to na paroysiazei ena meros monon ths protashs Nimits kai tipote allo kai na mhn epididei kai to eggrafo Nimits, wste na exoyn eikona oi politikes dynameis;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh enhmerwse ta politika kommata gia th dikh ths stash. Sas apanthsa se ayto, me apolyth safhneia. Oson afora sth dhmosiopoihsh ths epistolhs toy k. Nimits: Ekeinos exei dikaiwma na th dhmosiopoihsei kai kaneis allos. Alla, sas epanalambanw oti epi olwn aytwn twn qematwn, qa apanthsei o k. Koymoytsakos. Parakalw tis erwthseis sas gia alla qemata.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me ayth thn praktikh h kybernhsh den prospaqhse na ypoklecei th synainesh twn arxhgwn twn kommatwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SIDERHS: Den milame gia dhmosiopoihsh, enhmerwsh stoys politikoys arxhgoys egine.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Epi olwn twn ptyxwn aytoy toy qematos qa apanthsei o k. Koymoytsakos.

SIDERHS: Ma, den afora ton k. Koymoytsako, den einai texniko qema.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kai egw qa hqela na rwthsw kati poy den einai texniko qema. Panw sth dhlwsh poy kanate.

SIDERHS: Einai politiko qema.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw janarwtw: To plhres keimeno ths epistolhs toy eidikoy mesolabhth gia to Skopiano k. Nimits, edoqh stoys politikoys arxhgoys, estw kai proforika; Kai deyteron, otan lete oti o k. Nimits einai aytos poy dhmosiopoiei mono thn protash@

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa oti dikaiwma dhmosiopoihshs ths epistolhs exei o apostoleas.

BITALHS: Dhladh, tote o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ti phge na pei me toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn; To onoma;

ANTWNAROS: Sas diabasa th dhlwsh moy, thn opoia kai qa sas th dwsw kai graptws.

BITALHS: Mia protash einai ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio tessarwn-pente-eji selidwn. Leei, to onoma einai ayto kai apo katw exei mia seira paragrafwn. Gi` ayta ta qemata enhmerwqhkan h oxi oi politikoi arxhgoi;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apanthsei o k. Koymoytsakos.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate twra sth dhlwsh sas oti o k. Molybiaths enhmerwse gia thn oysia ths protashs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas ekana dhlwseis ep` aytoy@

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qelete na th diabasete;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws: ``Enhmerwse me dikh toy prwtoboylia gia th basikh qesh ths kybernhshs epi ths oysias ths protashs Nimits''.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epi ths oysias. Nai, epi ths oysias. Egw ekei menw.

ANTWNAROS: H oysia einai to onoma.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ayto qelw na sas rwthsw. Gia esas, dhladh, oysia den einai ta alla stoixeia poy anaferontai mesa sthn protash poy oysiastika emmesa mas zhtoyn na allajoyme to onoma mas h na mh stelnoyme ta proionta mas h den jerw egw ti allo;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Den exei arxisei h diapragmateysh. H allh pleyra den exei kan topoqethqei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oysia gia esas, pantws, einai ayto, kyrie Ekproswpe; Gia thn kybernhsh einai;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Giati zhtate allagh tote, kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Epi twn eidikwn qematwn qa topoqethqei o k. Koymoytsakos.

SIDERHS: Dieykrinistika, kyrie Ekproswpe. Meta thn apokrych ths epistolhs Nimits, zhtate apo ta kommata na synainesoyn sto xeirismo ths politikhs;

ANTWNAROS: Oi prospaqeies dhmioyrgias entypwsewn sthn aiqoysa den odhgoyn poyqena.

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai prospaqeia dhmioyrgias entypwsewn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw, den sas edwsa to logo. To logo ton dinw egw.

GKOYTZANHS: Den apantate sthn erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti den sas edwsa to logo. H prospaqeia dhmioyrgias entypwsewn sthn aiqoysa, me thn epilogh orismenwn lejewn, den odhgei poyqena.

GKOYTZANHS: Na exw to logo twra;

SIDERHS: Den htan proqesh moy, pantws.

ANTWNAROS: Epi toy qematos den exw na pw tipote allo. Qa apanthsei o k. Koymoytsakos. Ean den exete erwthseis gia alla qemata, sas eyxaristw.

Parakalw ton k. Koymoytsako na synexisei.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Xairete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Diadikastika: To Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn h thn kybernhsh ekproswpei o k. Koymoytsakos;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Koymoytsakos qa apanthsei stis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Rwtaw: Ekfrazei thn kybernhsh o k. Koymoytsakos h to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn;

MELETHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Koymoytsakos den mporei na apanthsei se politikes erwthseis. Qa mas pei oti den mporei na apanthsei, opws ginetai synhqws.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Parakalw, kante tis erwthseis poy qelete kai ean den mporesw na sas apanthsw, qa sas to pw. Epeidh to qema endiaferei, epeidh einai qema poy afora thn ejwterikh politikh ths xwras, epeidh yparxoyn kai eyaisqhsies kai eyloga erwthmata, qa parakalesw h syzhthsh na ginei me enan domhmeno tropo gia na mporesoyme na kanoyme swsta th doyleia mas kai eseis kai egw.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, perilambanetai h oxi to apospasma, to opoio exei filojenhqei se kyriakatikh efhmerida, sthn epistolh Nimits, oti kamia apo tis dyo pleyres, ean kai efoson katalhjei h diapragmateysh den qa dynatai na xrhsimopoiei dieqnws to onoma Matsentonia h Makedonia. Kai ayto to epimaxo apospasma exei perielqei se gnwsh twn politikwn arxhgwn apo ton Ypoyrgo, otan eginan oi epafes thn Paraskeyh;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Qa jekinhsw dinontas to plaisio ths enhmerwshs poy me prwtoboylia toy ekane o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Enhmerwse epi ths basikhs qeshs ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs se mia protash kai ston pyrhna ayths ths protashs poy htan to onoma. Ston pyrhna h sthn oysia. Ayth htan h diadikasia sto plaisio mias eyryterhs politikhs filosofias poy einai h epiteyjh eqnikhs synaineshs. Enhmerwse, loipon, gia th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. H qesh ths kybernhshs egine epishs gnwsth dhmosiws apo ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai h qesh ayth htan: Qewroyme thn protash Nimits ws bash diapragmateyshs, alla sthn protash ayth yparxoyn polla shmeia poy xrhzoyn dieykrinisewn kai tropopoihsewn. Ayth einai h diapragmateytikh qesh ths Elladas gia mia diadikasia poy den exei akomh jekinhsei. Shmera, hmera Deytera, o ekproswpos ths PGDM presbhs k. Dhmhtrof prokeitai na anakoinwsei epishma th qesh ths xwras ayths ston k. Nimits. Ayto einai to plaisio. Ep` aytoy prepei na sas pw oti to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn oydemia antirrhsh exei na koinopoihsei thn epistolh ayth sta kommata, dedomenhs bebaiws ths empisteytikothtas toy keimenoy twn protasewn toy k. Nimits. Dhmosiopoihsh toy keimenoy aytoy den mporei na ginei xwris prohgoymenh synennohsh me ton forea-syntakth kai eisagonta thn protash ayth, ton k. Nimits. Epomenws, exete apanthsh kai gia ta dyo, kai oson afora thn piqanh enhmerwsh pros ta kommata kai oson afora th dhmosiopoihsh ths epistolhs synolika poy einai dyo diaforetika pragmata.

BITALHS: Periexei h den periexei thn ekfrash ayth, kyrie Ekproswpe; Nai h oxi;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Anafereste@

BITALHS: Anaferomai sto qema ths Makedonias.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Anafereste se dhmosieymata poy eidan shmera h xqes to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Epi ths oysias twn dhmosieymatwn, den mporei kaneis na topoqethqei epishmws apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs gia to logo poy sas anefera prin: opoiadhpote syzhthsh aytwn twn keimenwn h twn apospasmatwn poy exoyn dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas qa htan apodoxh tmhmatos enos keimenoy, to opoio sas eipa oti den mporei na dhmosiopoihqei -qa mpw kai sthn oysia- xwris th synainesh h xwris th synennohsh me to forea ths epistolhs. Epi ths oysias: Se mia diapragmateysh yparxoyn keimena poy diapragmateyetai kaneis kai yparxoyn kai shmeia mh diapragmateysima. Eimai safhs, nomizw.

GKOYTZANHS: Meta thn apokrych aytoy toy periexomenoy apo toys politikoys arxhgoys, ejakoloyqei h kybernhsh na zhta th synainesh toys;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Qa moy epitrecete na diafwnhsw prwta me th diatypwsh ``apokrych''. Apokrych den yphrje. Egine enhmerwsh gia th qesh ths kybernhshs ston pyrhna ths protashs Nimits. Nomizw oti h ermhneia ayth poy dinete, oysiastika, prokeitai peri parermhneias. Kai na syzhthsoyme ti einai ayto to xarti. Einai xrhsimo na jekaqarisoyme orismena pragmata.

GKOYTZANHS: To aporriptei h kybernhsh;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: To xarti ayto einai protash toy k. Nimits. Den einai to teliko keimeno mias diapragmateyshs, sto opoio exei synainesei h xwra kai epi toy opoioy zhthqhke synainesh kai symfwnh gnwmh twn politikwn arxhgwn kai epi enos telikoy keimenoy exoyn apokrybei stoixeia. Prepei na ginei safhs ayth h diakrish. Einai mia protash. O k. Molybiaths me dikh toy prwtoboylia enhmerwse gia to poia qesh prokeitai na krathsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ep` ayths ths protashs kai toy pyrhna ayths ths protashs poy einai to onoma.

MELETHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy o pyrhnas ths protashs Nimits einai to onoma, tote gia poio logo sth dhmosia topoqethsh toy o k. Molybiaths eipe oti yparxoyn qemata poy xrhzoyn tropopoihshs; Afoy, opws lete eseis, o pyrhnas einai to onoma, ta alla einai mh oysiastika qemata kai deyteron, qewreite eseis oti ta kommata den qa mporoysan na enhmerwqoyn gia th qesh ths kybernhshs opws ekfrasthke, giati profanws mas lete oti to idio pragma eipe o k. Molybiaths stoys politikoys arxhgoys poy eipe kai dhmosiws. Htan anagkh na ginei aytos o gyros poy egine to prwi ths Paraskeyhs;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Qa apanthsw se ola ta erwthmata sas: Prwton, o oros ``pyrhnas mias protashs'' den einai ajiologikos. Kai exete diaforetikh gnwmh; H protash oti to onoma ``Republika Makedonija-Skopje'' einai o pyrhnas ths protashs Nimits, yparxei kapoios poy leei oti den einai aytos o pyrhnas ths protashs; Epi toy pyrhna, loipon kai ths synolikhs protashs, h ellhnikh kybernhsh ti eipe; Eipe oti ayto poy mas proteinete, emeis prokeitai na to diapragmateyqoyme. To ``prokeitai na to diapragmateyqoyme'' kai malista me prooptikh dieykrinisewn kai tropopoihsewn, shmainei apodoxh; Sas erwtw. Shmainei apodoxh;

MELETHS: Den sas egkalei kaneis oti apodexqhkate th symfwnia, kyrie Ekproswpe. Syggnwmh, parejhghqhke profanws h erwthsh moy.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Exete kanei treis erwthseis, qa apanthsw kai stis treis.

MELETHS: Oxi. Epeidh parermhneyqhke h erwthsh moy, den eipa oti exete apodexqei mia symfwnia kai thn apokrycate apo ton ellhniko lao kai ta kommata. Aplws, oti egine mia enhmerwtikh periodeia toy k. Molybiath stoys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn, toys eipe gia ton pyrhna mias protashs, oxi omws gia ta alla, ta opoia einai ejisoy oysiastika kai fantazomai oti kai eseis, ws diplwmaths, to katanoeite ayto. Diaforetika, apodexomastan thn protash gia dialogo kai teleiwse kai jafnika mas lete twra oti den ginetai kai den einai kai diafora.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: H dhmosia topoqethsh toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Molybiath egine epi toy pyrhna ths protashs Nimits kai genika, legontas oti ayth h protash einai bash diapragmateyshs. Egw shmera sas prosqetw, ws genikh arxh, oti se mia diapragmateysh mporei na yparxoyn shmeia ta opoia einai mh diapragmateysima.

POYLIDOY: Syggnwmh, to epimaxo to qewreite mh diapragmateysimo;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Ayto afora th diapragmateytikh taktikh poy qa akoloyqhqei.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh to lete me nohma, gi` ayto sas rwtw.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Bebaiws to lew me nohma, giati exoyn oysia oi lejeis poy xrhsimopoiw.

POYLIDOY: @Ara, einai.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Afhsate na ennohqei oti stoys politikoys arxhgoys eipwqhke mono ayto kai tipote allo. Ma, den einai h paroysiash ths protashs poy egine. O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Molybiaths enhmerwse gia thn katastash -einai logiko na enhmerwnei gia tis energeies poy eginan, to synoliko skeptiko ths diaxeirishs kai twn xeirismwn- wste na einai enhmera ta politika kommata sth xwra gi` ayth thn politikh proseggish poy kanei h kybernhsh, h opoia exei thn telikh eyqynh toy telikoy proiontos mias diapragmateyshs. Ayto to opoio syzhthqhke einai to arxiko stadio, h bash, h piqanh bash mias diapragmateyshs poy den exei akomh jekinhsei. Ep` aytoy milame.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ep` aytoy na sas rwthsw kati; Oi dhlwseis twn politikwn arxhgwn, pisteyete oti qa htan idies an gnwrizan olo to periexomeno ths protashs; Kai sas rwtw kati. Giati h kybernhsh biasthke na paei thn Paraskeyh kai den perimene mexri th Deytera; Mporoyse na anakoinwsei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn oti yparxei protash Nimits, alla na zhthsei thn adeia apo ton k. Nimits, wste na enhmerwqoyn oi politikoi arxhgoi epi ths oysias olhs ths protashs. Den qa htan diaforetikes oi dhlwseis toys, kyrie Ekproswpe; Den toys exete ekqesei ayth th stigmh;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Oi dhlwseis twn politikwn arxhgwn, twn opoiwn ermhneyths den mporw na eimai egw, ej oswn qymamai den einai topoqethseis epi ths apodoxhs h mh ths protashs toy k. Nimits.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Einai synainetikes. Toylaxiston twn dyo kommatwn einai synainetikes, toy Kommoynistikoy Kommatos kai toy Synaspismoy.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Pisteyete eilikrina kai pisteyei kaneis apo toys polites poy mas akoyn ayth th stigmh oti sthn ekkinhsh mias diapragmateyshs, ths opoias thn eyqynh kai kata th diarkeia, alla kai thn telikh eyqynh exei h ypeyqynh kybernhsh, oti qa eprepe ta politika kommata h einai logiko ta politika kommata na poyn, oti aporriptoyme poio pragma; Na einai arnhtika se poio; Oti h kybernhsh prepei na kanei th doyleia ths; Oti h kybernhsh, otan phgainei se ayth th diapragmateysh@

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Na perimenei th Deytera.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Sas parakalw. Qa sas ejhghsw giati. Gia to oti h kybernhsh, otan kanei ayth thn prospaqeia qa prepei na kineitai se ena klima synaineshs poy enisxyei th diapragmateytikh ths qesh, me dedomeno oti thn eyqynh thn exei h kybernhsh kai gia toys xeirismoys kai gia to teliko apotelesma. Poy yparxei akribws ayto to meizon qema h en pash periptwsei, dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti exoyme ena meizon politiko qema, xwris na exoyme;

SIDERHS: To qema einai oti zhthsate th synainesh twn politikwn arxhgwn, apokryptontas parametroys, h opoia endexomenws na htan arnhtikh.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Exete to keimeno me tis dhlwseis toy k. Molybiath;

BITALHS: Bebaiws. Jekinaei, milwntas oti ``ta eqnika qemata qeloyn th megisth dynath synainesh kai ayth epidiwkoyme''. @Hmastan ekei kai akoysame th dhlwsh. Htan mia ajioprepestath dhlwsh toy k. Molybiath.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Epeidh qymamai sxedon kata lejh th dhlwsh toy k. Molybiath, elege ta ejhs: ``Sto plaisio mias politikhs synaineshs poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh, enhmerwsa shmera toys arxhgoys kai ta kommata gia tis ejelijeis sto qema toy onomatos''. ``Sto plaisio ayto enhmerwsa''. Den zhthqhke apo toys politikoys arxhgoys, sto stadio ayto poy sas lew, sthrijh ths protashs Nimits, oysiastika einai mh stadio. Den exei jekinhsei tipota. Den zhthqhke apo toys arxhgoys kai ta kommata na yposthrijoyn thn protash toy k. Nimits. Den zhthqhke yposthrijh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Kai o k. Papandreoy, an qymamai kala, eipe oti thn telikh eyqynh thn exei h kybernhsh. Kati to opoio einai profanes.

TSIODRAS: Otan h kybernhsh zhtei synainesh, mallon proxwra se mia prwtoboylia enhmerwshs twn politikwn arxhgwn, tote perimenei kaneis oti qa syzhthsei me toys politikoys arxhgoys ta sygkekrimena shmeia poy prokyptoyn apo thn epistolh Nimits. Leei oti yparxoyn shmeia ta opoia einai pros diapragmateysh, kapoia ap` ayta einai shmeia aporriptea k.lp. Fantazetai kapoios oti, otan milas me toys politikoys arxhgoys, s` ayta ta shmeia epanw, yparxei enhmerwsh. Jeroyn gia ti pragma prokeitai. Den amfiballei kaneis oti toys xeirismoys toys exei h kybernhsh. Omws qa mporoyse na to pei apo thn arxh, oti emeis xeirizomaste thn katastash, opws ekanan alles kybernhseis sto parelqon. @Ara, loipon, kanoyme toys xeirismoys kai se telikh analysh o ellhnikos laos krinei. Otan zhtas synainesh, enhmerwneis toys arxhgoys panw se poia pragmata zhtas synainesh kai synennohsh. Otan ayto loipon den ginetai kai apokryptontai sygkekrimena shmeia apo thn epistolh, tote yparxei problhma kai deyteron, lete oti gia na doqoyn kapoia pragmata sth dhmosiothta qa prepei na yparxei symfwnh gnwmh toy syntakth ths epistolhs.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Eipa synennohsh.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na jerw an gia ta sygkekrimena apospasmata ta opoia dhmosieyqhkan, yphrxe synennohsh me ton k. Nimits.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Ta dhmosieyse h kybernhsh ta apospasmata;

TSIODRAS: @Oxi, alla@

MELETHS: Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs apokleietai na ta edwsan.

TSIODRAS: Efoson ta exei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai o k. Nimits, h o k. Nimits sas agnohse h doqhkan apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

MELETHS: H apo ton k. Kwnstantopoylo h apo thn k. Paparhga.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: H dhmosiopoihsh tmhmatwn ston Typo den afora thn kybernhsh. Den to dhmosiopoihse h kybernhsh. Einai ayto keimeno ths kybernhshs; Den einai.

XONDROS: Poion afora;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Nomizw oti hmoyn safhs, dioti einai safhs kai h topoqethsh poy ginetai. O k. Molybiaths stis synennohseis kai stis synanthseis poy eixe me ta kommata, idia prwtoboylia, den zhthse yposthrijh epi ths protasews Nimits. Pws allwste qa mporoyse na to kanei, otan h idia h kybernhsh den thn yposthrizei sto synolo ths. Eipame oti einai bash diapragmateyshs. Epomenws den ekmaieythke apo ta politika kommata mia safhs topoqethsh epi sygkekrimenhs protasews, xwris malista ta kommata na gnwrizoyn to periexomeno ths protasews. O k. Molybiaths enhmerwse gia th qesh poy qa thrhsei sto stadio ayto ths makroxronhs diadikasias h ellhnikh kybernhsh, legontas oti emeis qa topoqethqoyme etsi, epeidh sthn protash yparxei ayto to qema. Dhladh, proteinei to onoma ``Republika Makedonija-Scopje'' me dieqnh xrhsh erga omnes. Antilambaneste oti ayto einai mia safhs topoqethsh. Gnwrizete tis qeseis twn dyo merwn. Otan ta Skopia miloyn gia mia lysh diplhs xrhsews kai erxetai o k. Nimits kai leei oti proteinw to ``Republika Macedonija-Scopje'' gia dieqnh xrhsh apo oloys, basei aytoy toy pyrhna ths protashs h ellhnikh kybernhsh eipe ``to qewrw pws einai bash diapragmateyshs''. Ayto htan kai to mhnyma. Ayto htan kai h eilikrinhs enhmerwsh kai gia thn oysia kai gia toys xeirismoys poy eginan sta politika kommata. Den zhthqhke oyte ekmaieythke apo ta politika kommata, yposthrijh sthn protash Nimits. Pws qa mporoyse na ginei allwste ayto;

TSIODRAS: Shmantiko stoixeio twn ejelijewn den apotelei boylhsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs na breqei mia lysh sto Skopiano. Apotelei mia sygkekrimenh protash poy yparxei sto trapezi apo ton k. Nimits. Ara loipon otan ginetai enhmerwsh twn politikwn kommatwn kai den ginetai me bash th sygkekrimenh protash poy yparxei ayth th stigmh sto trapezi, yparxei mono h boylhsh ths kybernhshs, nomizw pws yparxei kapoio problhma. Den krinete;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: H boylhsh ths kybernhshs egine epi sygkekrimenhs ptyxhs kai toy pyrhna ths protasews.

TSIODRAS: Dhladh ta ypoloipa ta qewreite epoysiwdh;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Kaqoloy. An deite toys xronoys ths enhmerwshs qa antilhfqeite an ayth h enhmerwsh eixe periexomeno h den eixe. Milame gia perissotero apo 35-40 lepta. H synanthsh me ton k. Papandreoy krathse peripoy mia wra.

TSIODRAS: Den nomizw oti einai mono qema xronoy. Nomizw oti einai oysiastika qemata.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Oson afora sta alla qemata, kamia ptyxh toy diapragmateytikoy paketoy Nimits, den qewreitai dedomenh. Emeis eipame oti to synolo toy paketoy einai bash diapragmateyshs. Opws sas eipa kai shmera meta logoy gnwsews, se mia diapragmateysh pas na diapragmateyqeis. Omws sta shmeia ths diapragmateyshs mporei na yparxoyn kai mh diapragmateysima zhthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na moy peite an h kybernhsh meta ta osa exoyn symbei, qa zhthsei apo ton k. Nimits na doqei sth dhmosiothta ayth h protash.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Egw den mporw na desmeytw gi` ayto. Katagrafetai ayth h protash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa erqei se synennohsh o k. Molybiaths mhpws mporei na doqei gia na teleiwnei ayto;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Qa to metaferw. Eimai bebaios oti qa gnwrizei oti egerqh ayto to qema. Qa prepei na synektimhqei an ayto bohqaei th diapragmateysh h oxi. En pash periptwsei qa to metaferw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia th diarroh to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn den gnwrizei tipota;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Poia diarroh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayth poy egine ston Typo.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Den aforoyn me kanena tropo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, tmhmata, merh eggrafwn. Epishs, prepei na sas pw oti ayto poy dhmosieythke einai mia ermhneia. To diabasa ston Typo kai h diatypwsh ayth den moy einai safhs. Protrexoyme se orismenes ermhneies. Gia paradeigma, akoysa oti, an ayto ginei apodekto prin akoma jekinhsei h diapragmateysh, den qa onomazetai to aerodromio ths Qessalonikhs, ``Makedonia''. Antilambanomai -kai parakalw oloi na synainesoyme- alloy eidoys eyaisqhsies. To na kanoyme logika almata poy den bohqoyn th diapragmateysh apo twra, prin jekinhsei, dhladh mia grifwdhs diatypwsh, na ermhneyetai ws desmeysh ths xwras oti to aerodromio ``Makedonia'' qa pacei na onomazetai ``Makedonia'', den epitrepetai.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den milame gia desmeysh. Alla, otan yparxei@

KOTTARIDHS: Prin apo ligo o k. Antwnaros eipe oti den yparxei epishmh qesh twn Skopiwn sto qema. Tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy twn Skopiwn poy xarakthrise aporriptea thn protash Nimits, den tis qewreite ws epishmh apanthsh sthn olh istoria;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: O Proedros twn Skopiwn h o Prwqypoyrgos twn Skopiwn aneferan oti ``an h protash ayth etsi opws eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas sta ellhnika Mesa Enhmerwshs isxyei, tote einai aporriptea''. Emeis epimenoyme s` ayth th qesh kai en pash periptwsei o Presbhs mas prokeitai na topoqethqei epishmws sth synanthsh me ton k. Nimits. As doyme thn topoqethsh poy qa exei epishmws. Sas lew oti edw yphrje mia protash ekproswpoy toy Genikoy Grammatea twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, toy k. Nimits, o opoios einai polypeiros diapragmateyths, gnwrizei to qema, to opoio exei parakoloyqhsei gia deka xronia kai katalhgei s` ayth thn protash. Erxetai h ellhnikh pleyra kai leei oti einai etoimh na diapragmateytei. An h allh pleyra pei pws den einai etoimh na diapragmateytei, ta symperasmata qa ta synagagei h Dieqnhs Koinothta.

KOTTARIDHS: Sta Skopia thn exei steilei thn protash o k. Nimits;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Ej` oswn gnwrizw, nai.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epeidh oyte h Ellada dhmosiopoihse ayth thn epistolh, oyte ta Skopia th dhmosiopoihsan, sas ekfrasthke h epiqymia toy k. Nimits na mhn th dhmosiopoihsete h htan prwtoboylia ths Elladas;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Den to gnwrizw. Milame gia to synolo ths protasews, etsi;

XONDROS: Mporei na yparjei synainesh apo ta politika kommata, thn opoian epidiwkete, an den gnwrizoyn to plhres keimeno ths protashs toy k. Nimits; Pws qa synainesoyn se kati to opoio den gnwrizoyn se oles tis ptyxes; Opote eseis lete to ejhs: Oydemia antirrhsh exoyme na dhmosiopoihsoyme sta kommata thn epistolh. Einai ayto poy eipe o k. Stamatopoylos. Dwste thn epistolh stoys arxhgoys twn kommatwn gia na mporesei na yparjei synainesh. Diaforetika se ti qa synainesoyn; Se kati poy den jeroyn;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Na kanoyme akomh mia fora mia dieykrinish ep` aytoy toy shmeioy. H synainesh einai enas tropos feresqai kai mia filosofia diaxeirishs ths ejwterikhs politikhs. Sthn sygkekrimenh periptwsh o k. Molybiaths, efarmozontas ayth th filosofia kai symfwna me ayth thn arxh - poy nomizw oti diakrinei oloys toys xeirismoys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs- enhmerwse gia thn ellhnikh qesh epi ths protasews. Parakalw na ginei safes oti den zhthqhke apo ta kommata na synainesoyn epi ths protasews Nimits. Ayto den mporoyse na ginei gia ton aploystato logo opws eipa, kai einai ena logiko paralogo ayto, na zhthsei h kybernhsh h opoia qewrei oti to keimeno einai mono bash diapragmateyshs kai den to apodexetai h idia, apo ta alla kommata na to apodexqoyn. Epomenws den eteqh qema synaineshs epi toy keimenoy. Sta plaisia mias eyryterhs politikhs filosofias, o k. Molybiaths, enhmerwse ta kommata gia tis ejelijeis. Den enhmerwse gia teliko keimeno to opoio h Ellada prokeitai na apodexqei. Ayto prepei na einai safes. Oson afora th dhmosiopoihsh, sas eipa oti to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn den exei oydemia antirrhsh na enhmerwsei kai na dwsei sta kommata to keimeno Nimits, dedomenhs bebaiws ths idiaiterothtas kai ths anagkhs sebasmoy ths empisteytikothtas. Gia th dhmosiopoihsh toy synolikoy keimenoy sas eipa oti einai aparaithto na yparjei synennohsh me ton idio ton forea kai syntakth ths protashs.

MELETHS: Epeidh mperdeythkame me to qema ths synaineshs, symfwnoyn oloi oti den zhthqhke synainesh, den yphrxe apofash. Eseis, an kai diplwmaths, hsastan arxhgos politikoy kommatos kai synantaste me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths xwras, poy sas enhmerwnei gia ena meizon qema, gia mia apofash poy exei parei h kybernhsh, na proselqei se mia diapragmateysh kai jafnika dyo meres meta agorazontas mia kyriakatikh efhmerida diabazete oti exete paraplanhqei. Allo pragma soy eipan, allo pragma blepeis mprosta soy. Pws qa to xarakthrizate ayto; Ayto rwtame, oxi gia thn synainesh.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Prwta ap` ola einai mia ypoqetikh erwthsh kai malista h arxikh sas ypoqesh se o,ti me afora einai sta oria toy apolyta fantastikoy. Ara sthn erwthsh diaxeetai ayto to klima toy apolyta fantastikoy kai den kaloymai na apanthsw. Par` ola ayta na sas pw -epeidh milate gia apogohteysh h aisqhsh paraplanhshs klp- oti, an soy eixe ekmaieytei h ypografh soy@

KALOGEROPOYLOY: H dhlwsh sas ekmaieythke omws.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis. Yparxoyn dhlwseis poy lene oti symfwnoyme me thn protash Nimits; Ti yparxei;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Yparxei h dhlwsh ths k. Paparhga h opoia leei oti gia mas den einai sobaro to qema ths onomasias kai den eimaste arnhtikoi. Yparxei h dhlwsh toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy. Enw qa mporoyse na mhn yparxei tetoia dhlwsh apo thn k. Paparhga. Na elege oti afoy yparxoyn ayta ta stoixeia den mas afora h onomasia.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Nomizw oti to qema exei ejantlhqei. Eilikrina den epiqymw na ginw diermhneas kai ermhneyths dhlwsewn twn politikwn arxhgwn. Alla epeidh aytes oi topoqethseis exoyn mia istoria -kai anaferomai sthn istoria ayth- den eida kati diaforetiko sthn topoqethsh toy KKE apo ayto poy leei ola ayta ta xronia. Epomenws den blepw kati allo.

GALIATSATOS: H prwth antidrash poy eidame apo ta Skopia einai mia anepishmh dhlwsh poy aporriptei ayto to sxedio protashs. Egw rwtaw epi ths arxhs. Isxyei h topoqethsh ths kybernhshs h opoia exei diatypwqei dia toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwnstantinoy Karamanlh oti se periptwsh poy ta Skopia qa parameinoyn adiallakta, qa mplokaroyme thn poreia toys sto NATO kai thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Prepei na sas pw oti h paratash ths ekkremothtas katopin mias piqanhs arnhshs ths mias pleyras na diapragmateytei, diamorfwnei kapoies sygkekrimenes synqhkes. Sas eipa oti h Dieqnhs Koinothta krinei basei topoqethsewn kratwn. Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, an ftasoyme se aytes tis topoqethseis, h Dieqnhs Koinothta, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai to NATO qa krinoyn topoqethseis twn endiaferomenwn xwrwn kai kratwn epi sygkekrimenhs protashs poy kanei o Organismos Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, o ekproswpos toy Genikoy Grammatea. Ara ayto einai ena stoixeio. Egw den mporw na prokatalabw pws qa krinei. To afhnw se sas. Deyteron, qa ftasoyme se mia katastash opoy h ekkremothta qa parateinetai. Kai sas lew oti ayth h ekkremothta diamorfwnei sthn Ellada mia sygkekrimenh politikh pragmatikothta: oti einai adynaton me oses ektimhseis mporei na kanei shmera kapoios, einai adynaton apo opoiodhpote ellhniko Koinoboylio, opoiasdhpote synqeshs -ayth einai toylaxiston shmera h ektimhsh kai an einai lanqasmenh na me diorqwsete- na kyrwqoyn h na epikyrwqoyn dieqnh keimena sta opoia qa yparxei mesa onoma san ayto poy den apodexomaste ola ayta ta xronia. Kai ayto den einai mia politikh poy deixnei to daxtylo se kanenan. Den einai mia politikh apeilwn h timwrias. Einai mia politikh pragmatikothta. Ayth h politikh pragmatikothta den exei allajei deka xronia kai den blepw na allazei kai gia oso allo mas apasxolhsei sto mellon ayto to qema.

MELETHS: Ayto afora to Koinoboylio. Gia thn Kybernhsh sas rwthse.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Qewrw oti to qema exei apanthqei se oles toy tis diastaseis. Yparxei kati kainoyrgio;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Einai kati diaforetiko.

MELETHS: Apantate gia to ti qa kanei to Koinoboylio.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Den apantw gia to Koinoboylio. Kanw mia ektimhsh.

MELETHS: Rwthse kati allo o k. Galiatsatos. To kalokairi h ton Septembrio, otan erqei h egkrish ths Komision poy qa krinei thn aithsh entajhs ths PGDM, h stash ths kybernhsh poia qa einai; Oxi to Koinoboylio meta apo tessera xronia.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: H stash ths kybernhshs, opws kai olwn twn etairwn, qa diamorfwqei mesa se ena sygkekrimeno periballon, me sygkekrimenes kriseis kai ajiologhseis gia th symperifora twn endiaferomenwn merwn enanti protasews ths dieqnoys koinothtas. Kai qa hqela edw na anaferqw se shmerines dhlwseis toy Ypatoy Ekproswpoy ejwterikhs politikhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs k. Solana, oi opoies exoyn ws ejhs: To qema ths onomasias ths PGDM qa prepei na epilyqei to syntomotero dynaton, kaqws brisketai se ekkremothta edw kai poly kairo. O k. Solana proswpika sthrizei tis prospaqeies toy Genikoy Grammatea toy OHE kai toy eidikoy mesolabhth Maqioy Nimits kai eidikotera tis sygkekrimenes protaseis poy kateqese o k. Nimits pros tis kybernhseis Elladas kai PGDM. O k. Solana qewrei oti oi protaseis toy k. Nimits apoteloyn mia kalh bash gia thn epiteyjh lyshs, h opoia qa prepei na einai koina apodekth kai o ypatos ekproswpos ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs enqarrynei tis dyo pleyres, oxi thn Ellada, na adrajoyn thn eykairia poy paroysiazetai me epoikodomhtiko tropo. H topoqethsh, loipon, toy k. Solana kai me thn ypoqesh kapoiwn logikwn bhmatwn poy qa exoyme piqanws kai shmera, se periptwsh aporrichs, diamorfwnei h qesh kai thn antilhch poy qa sygkrothsei synolika h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh tote, ean pragmati den exei lyqei to qema toy onomatos, an den ginoyn oi diapragmateyseis, xwris thn eyqynh ths Elladas, afoy dexqhke th diapragmateysh, qa krinei pws qa antimetwpisei ayto to qema.

XIWTHS: Qelw na dieykrinisw to ejhs: Eipate oti h kybernhsh den exei antirrhsh na koinopoihsei stoys politikoys arxhgoys thn epistolh, efoson thrhqei h desmeysh gia thn empisteytikothta ths.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Me th bebaiothta, oxi efoson. Den mpainei oros. Me th bebaiothta oti qa thrhqei h empisteytikothta.

XIWTHS: An shmera sas zhthsei enas politikos arxhgos thn epistolh, qa toy th dwsete;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Den qa ginei epilektikh.

XIWTHS: An sas th zhthsei kapoios shmera, qa thn aposteilete se oloys toys politikoys arxhgoys;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Basei twn oswn sas anefera -einai nomizw mia genikh qesh- den mporw na prokatalabw h na desmeysw thn antidrash ths kybernhshs, toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, epeidh einai ena eidiko shmeio poy qetete, alla yparxei ena plaisio to opoio sas anefera.

XIWTHS: Ayth th stigmh poy milame, kanenas politikos arxhgos den exei zhthsei na labei gnwsh@

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, epishmws den exei diatypwqei tetoio aithma.

XIDIROGLOY: Epeidh briskomaste se ena genikotero klima kai plaisio twn synolikoterwn dieyqethsewn sth Xersonhso toy Aimoy, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Ti akribws symbainei oson afora tis ellhnikes qeseis gia to Kossyfopedio. Giati; Giati edw exoyme ena zhthma. Exoyme ta Skopia kai to qema ths onomasias. Ti akribws exei symbei; Kai poies einai oi ellhnikes qeseis epi toy Kossyfopedioy kai pws syndeetai h ellhnikh politikh enanti toy Kossyfopedioy me thn ellhnikh politikh sto qema twn onomatwn;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: H ellhnikh politikh, synolika sth Balkanikh, einai mia politikh yper ths staqerothtas, ths eirhnhs kai ths eyhmerias olwn twn kratwn. Pisteyoyme oti katalyths pros ayth thn poreia einai h eyrwpaikh prooptikh, synolika ths perioxhs kai toy kaqe kratoys jexwrista. Ayth thn prooptikh exoyme yposthrijei kai me ayth th filosofia antimetwpizoyme diafora qemata. H arsh mias ekkremothtas poy afora to qema toy onomatos kai afora dyo xwres, pisteyoyme oti -efoson katalhjoyme ekei- qa exei eyergetikes epiptwseis, oxi mono stis dimereis sxeseis mas, oxi mono sthn perioxh, alla kai eyrytera. Ayth einai h topoqethsh. Den syndeetai me th stash mas, me thn antilhch poy exoyme oson afora ena allo qema poy einai to Kosobo. To qema toy Kossyfopedioy: Gnwrizw oti briskomaste se ena stadio poy ginetai ektimhsh toy an h kybernhsh kai h diaxeirish sta Skopia, oi ypeyqynoi xeiristes exoyn antapokriqei kai proxwroyn sthn efarmogh twn krithriwn poy exei qesei h dieqnhs koinothta. H telikh ektimhsh aytoy toy qematos ginetai sto telos toy kalokairioy kai sth synexeia qa syzhthqei to qema toy kaqestwtos. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa topoqethqei tote, dioti den mporei na desmeytei apo twra. Einai antiparagwgikh h qesh na milame gia kati to opoio den syzhteitai. Kai shmera den syzhteitai to kaqestws.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epi ths oysias: Epeidh yparxoyn parermhneies, qa hqela na moy pei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, dhladh eseis, pws ermhneyete th frash poy diabazoyme ston Typo kai ypotiqetai oti brisketai sto keimeno Nimits oti kamia xwra h perioxh den qa mporei sto ejhs na xrhsimopoiei dieqnws ton oro Makedonia h ton idio oro sta kyrillika. To Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, epishmws, ti ermhneia dinei se ayth thn anafora;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Antilambaneste, pisteyw, oti den mporei dia ths topoqethsews moy kai mias ermhneias poy qa einai kai proswpikh, dioti den jerw an exei yparjei plhrhs anagnwsh kai plhrhs dialeykansh aytoy toy sygkekrimenoy shmeioy, na ypokatasthsei h apanthsh poy didetai se dhmosiografikes erwthseis mia diapragmateysh poy den exei arxisei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ti katalabainete lew.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Pantws oxi oti den qa mporoyme na ejagoyme proionta apo th Makedonia se alles xwres. Gi` ayto poy den exei arxisei, den mporw na topoqethqw, den mporw na diapragmateyomai me ton eayton moy. Dioti den yparxei allos.

Deyteron, epeidh qesate ayto to qema sas lew @kai anefera ws genikh arxh- oti se mia diapragmateysh kai malista poy exei parametroys, yparxoyn shmeia ta opoia den einai diapragmateysima.

POYLIDOY: Xwris na mas lete an einai ayto ena apo ayta.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: An epimeinw sto sygkekrimeno shmeio, antilambaneste oti qa diapragmateyqw me ton eayton moy. Dinw mia synolikh topoqethsh epi toy synolikoy paketoy.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayrio o k. Molybiaths metabainei, epishma proskeklhmenos, sthn Toyrkia. Sthn atzenta twn synomiliwn, ektos apo ta ellhnotoyrkika, qa teqei kai to qema ths anagnwrishs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai to qema ths epilyshs toy Kypriakoy basei toy Sxedioy Anan;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Qa syzhthqoyn qemata dimeroys endiaferontos, perifereiaka kai bebaiws to qema ths Kyproy.

GKOYTZANHS: To Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn qewrei oti gia to shmeio poy exei ftasei to zhthma twn Skopiwn, eyqynetai h adraneia kai h aprajia twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK kai toy k. Papandreoy poy htan ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: To Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kaleitai na diapragmateytei zhthmata ellhnikhs ejwterikhs politikhs se sygkekrimeno plaisio kaqe fora. Ayto to plaisio, h dynamikh, ta xarakthristika toy den diamorfwnontai stigmiaia. Diamorfwnontai sthn poreia toy xronoy. Etsi kai me ayth th logikh diapragmateyetai twra to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

KOYIN: O k. Kottaridhs sas ekane mia erwthsh sxetika me mia dhlwsh poy ekane o proedros twn Skopiwn. H ellhnikh kybernhsh kai to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn den qewrei oti einai desmeytikh ayth h dhlwsh poy ekane o Proedros, xqes h proxqes, opote thn ekane;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Dieykrinisa oti epeidh oi dhlwseis se toso krisima qemata prepei na xarakthrizontai apo mia safhneia, opws -pisteyw- oi dhlwseis toy Ellhna Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, qewrw oti sth dhlwsh ayth yparxoyn orismenes ypoqeseis. Ean einai ayth h protash poy exei dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas sthn Ellada. Epi toy ``ean'' antilambaneste oti den mporw na topoqethqw. En pash periptwsei qewrw oti yparxei ena stoixeio amfisbhthshs toy an yparxei protash kai toy periexomenoy ths se ayto to ``ean''. Epi aytoy toy ``ean'' den mporoyme na topoqethqoyme. O k. Dhmhtrof blepei shmera ton k. Nimits. Qa yparjei safhs topoqethsh twn Skopiwn kai fantazomai oti apo ekei kai pera oloi qa krinoyn poy brisketai to pragma.

FILHS: Yparxei programmatismos na enhmerwqei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias apo ton k. Molybiath kai pote qa ginei ayto kai an prokeitai h kybernhsh na zhthsei na sygklhqei Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn, wste kata tropo mh epidexomeno amfisbhthsewn na syzhthqei to problhma;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Se o,ti afora sto deytero erwthma sas, gnwrizw oti yparxei h apanthsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy kai toy Anaplhrwth Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Ekfeygei ths armodiothtos moy na apanthsw gia to ti mporei na kanei h kybernhsh. Epeidh me rwthsate, omws, gia thn enhmerwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn pros ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, den mporw ayth th stigmh na sas pw ean qa yparjei peraiterw enhmerwsh. Gnwrizw oti prosfatws synanthqhkan.

KWSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Apo thn ellhnikh pleyra sth diarkeia twn diapragmateysewn eteqhsan oi oroi ``Anw Makedonia'', ``Boreia Makedonia'', ``Slabomakedonia'', ``Nea Makedonia'', oi opoioi qa htan kapws pio dokimoi apo ton yparxonta; Kai an eteqhsan, apo poion aperrifqhsan; Giati, oytws h allws, ta Skopia aporriptoyn kai ton teliko oro.

KOYMOYTSAKOS: H apanthsh aytonohth. Syzhthqhkan para polla pragmata. Oi dyo pleyres den katelhjan se kati. Kai erxetai o k. Nimits, exontas akoysei ayta poy kata kairoys exoyn ekfrasei oi dyo pleyres na proteinei ayth thn protash. Nomizw oti den yparxei qema.

KWSTANTAKOPOYLOS: H epilogh ayth giati ginetai; Giati den erxetai o k. Nimits me pente protaseis, an einai etsi;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw giati o k. Nimits ekane ayth thn protash.

FILHS: Exei doqei h epistolh Nimits ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

KOYMOYTSAKOS: Den gnwrizw.

Sas eyxaristoyme.

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