Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-04-08

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 8 Aprilioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelete sas parakalw poly na moy metafrasete to onoma Republic of Macedonia @Skopje sta ellhnika;

ANTWNAROS: Den perimenete asfalws apo emena na kanw metafraseis.

SPYRAKH: Isxyei h oxi oti o k. Nimits exei diatypwsei protash pros ta endiaferomena merh gia symbibasmo poy h proteinomenh onomasia einai Republic of Macedonia @ Skopje;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy anaferete den kineitai makria apo thn pragmatikothta. O k. Nimits exei katalhjei. Einai fysiko oi apoceis toy na periexontai se kapoio eggrafo. Opws gnwrizete, ayth th stigmh ginetai enhmerwsh apo ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Molybiath stoys politikoys arxhgoys gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs metajy twn opoiwn einai kai to Skopiano. Oi synanthseis aytes einai se ejelijh. Parakalw na perimenete thn oloklhrwsh toys. Amesws meta o k. Molybiaths qa probei se dhlwseis.

BLAXOS: Emeis gnwrizoyme oti oi politikoi einai yphretes toy laoy kai se mia xwra kyriarxos einai o laos. Prwta enhmerwnei h kybernhsh gia ena toso shmantiko qema toys yphretes toy kai meta to lao; Kai pote qa enhmerwsete ton ellhniko lao gia to apotelesma ayths ths diadikasias;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, biazeste na kanete logo gia apotelesma diadikasias. Den yparxei ayth th stigmh kanena xeiropiasto apotelesma. H diadikasia brisketai se ejelijh. Qa hqela gia mia akomh fora na sas pw oti o armodios ypoyrgos qa kanei ayto akribws to opoio eipate. Qa probei se dhmosia dhlwsh kai qa enhmerwsei toys Ellhnes polites, afoy oloklhrwsei thn enhmerwsh twn arxhgwn twn politikwn kommatwn. Ayto einai apolytws fysiko. Etsi leitoyrgei h dhmokratia. Einai fysiko oi hgetes twn politikwn kommatwn gia qemata poy exoyn megalh shmasia, na enhmerwnontai se baqos apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo.

BLAXOS: Qa enhmerwsei kai ton k. Antwnh Samara; Rwtw giati o k. Samaras htan apo toys prwtagwnistes ths ejelijhs ayths. Qa sas qymisw mono, aplws gia na freskarw th mnhmh sas, oti o tote Proedros ths Dhmokratias Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs eixe diwjei apo th syskech twn politikwn arxhgwn ton tote ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Antwnh Samara.

ANTWNAROS: Erwthsh moy apeyqynete h kanete proswpikh topoqethsh;

BLAXOS: Oxi, sas to qymizw gia na jerete peri poioy proswpoy milame.

ANTWNAROS: Ypobalete sas parakalw thn erwthsh.

BLAXOS: An qa enhmerwsei kai ton k. Samara.

ANTWNAROS: O oros ``arxhgoi twn politikwn kommatwn'' einai apolyta safhs.

XONDROS: H ellhnikh qesh sto zhthma ths onomasias twn Skopiwn desmeyetai apo thn apofash twn politikwn arxhgwn to 1992, ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Ta nea dedomena kai oi protaseis poy qa mas ginoyn gia to onoma ths geitonikhs xwras, qa yparjei diadikasia sygklishs toy Symboylioy twn politikwn arxhgwn ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias gia mia nea apofash h qa yparjei apla epafh toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me toys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn;

ANTWNAROS: Otan prokycei tetoio qema, h kybernhsh qa to melethsei kai qa topoqethqei.

POYLIDOY: Epi diadikastikoy: H protash ayth toy k. Nimits einai sto plaisio aytoy poy legetai sth diplwmatikh glwssa ``take it or leave It'' h synexizei th diapragmateysh, einai anoixth;

ANTWNAROS: Sxetika me to qema sto opoio anafereste: Den exei th morfh oti to pairnete kai to dexeste etsi opws einai h oxi. Einai mia protash. Qa hqela, omws, na qymisw oti einai h prwth fora, meta apo para polla xronia, poy ginetai mia protash. Kai gia na ginei mia protash kai na apotelesei bash pros peraiterw syzhthsh kai diapragmateysh, prepei na synainesoyn kai oi dyo emplekomenes pleyres.

SPYRAKH: Dhladh, ayto poy endexomenws apo o,ti gnwrizoyme apo diplwmatikes phges exei sta xeria ths h ellhnikh kybernhsh ws protash toy mesolabhth toy Genikoy Grammatea den shmatodotei to telos ths mesolabhshs. Einai etsi h oxi; Dhladh, ayto einai h bash, h ekkinhsh mias neas diapragmateyshs h einai to apotelesma ths epidiaithsias;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den yparxei epidiaithsia. Einai ena shmantiko bhma kai bash gia peraiterw diapragmateysh.

GKOYTZANHS: To teliko apotelesma skeftetai h kybernhsh na to qesei sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy, endexomenws me ena dhmochfisma;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete gia qemata poy aforoyn stis dieqneis sxeseis ths Elladas, symfwnies me alles xwres gi` ayta apofasizei @otan ayto problepetai apo tis diadikasies- kyriarxa h Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

KAKALHS: Prin apo orismenoys mhnes oi HPA eixan anagnwrizei thn PGDM me th syntagmatikh ths onomasia ``Makedonia''. Twra oi plhrofories qeloyn tis HPA na prwtagwnistoyn sth symbibastikh lysh poy proteinei o k. Nimits. H symbibastikh ayth onomasia poy einai proion kai twn parembasewn twn HPA einai to timhma gia thn egkataleich ek meroys ths kybernhshs ths qeshs gia th mh allagh twn synorwn sta Balkania kai thn anejarthtopoihsh toy Kossyfopedioy;

ANTWNAROS: Syndeete para polla qemata se mia erwthsh. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh einai na ejeyreqei mia lysh, h opoia qa einai amoibaia apodekth kai apo tis dyo pleyres, se sxesh me thn onomasia ths geitonikhs xwras, ths PGDM. Ayth h diapragmateysh diejagetai sto plaisio toy Organismoy twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Einai mia diadikasia, thn opoian enqarrynoyn oi Eyrwpaioi etairoi mas. Einai mia diadikasia thn opoian enqarrynoyn para polles pleyres. Ayth akribws h prwtoboylia kai h staqerh epidiwjh ths Elladas kai ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, dhladh to na epiteyxqei mia koinws apodekth lysh, yioqethqhkan apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, stis 14 Septembrioy toy 2004 kai argotera apo tis HPA me epaneilhmmenes dhlwseis -kai poly prosfates, malista- Amerikanwn ajiwmatoyxwn. Synepws, oi diapragmateyseis aytes lambanoyn xwra se ena dieqnes klima, to opoio einai enisxytiko kai ypobohqhtiko gia thn ejeyresh mias tetoias lyshs, opws ayth poy yposthrizei h ellhnikh pleyra.

TSIODRAS: Sthn periptwsh poy to apotelesma ths diapragmateyshs einai arnhtiko. Dhladh, emeis prwtoi symfwnhsoyme me thn protash thn opoia kataqetei o k. Nimits, alla yparxei arnhsh ek meroys twn Skopiwn, shmainei oti h Ellada qa qesei veto sthn entajh twn Skopiwn se dieqneis organismoys h sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh me to onoma ``Dhmokratia ths Makedonias'';

ANTWNAROS: As mhn prospaqoyme na prokatalaboyme mia diapragmateysh h opoia brisketai akomh se ejelijh. Shmasia exei oti h ejeyresh mias lyshs koina apodekths kai gia tis dyo pleyres, h opoia qa einai bebaiws kai apodekth apo th dieqnh koinothta, qa enisxysei tis dimereis sxeseis metajy ths dikhs mas xwras kai ths geitonikhs, qa staqeropoihsei thn perioxh sto synolo ths, alla kai se teleytaia analysh qa dieykolynei to dromo poy qelei na xarajei h PGDM pros toys eyrwatlantikoys qesmoys. Ayto einai poy metraei.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, den metraei, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs, ta osa exoyn eipwqei ta teleytaia xronia apo aytoys poy shmera prwtagwnistoyn sthn politikh skhnh ths xwras mas gia to onoma ``Makedonia''; Dioti to synolo ths politikhs hgesias toy topoy exei topoqethqei gia to onoma ``Makedonia''. Allajan gnwmh shmera; Ti toys ekane na allajoyn gnwmh kai na qewroyn oti mporei na ginei apodekto to onoma ``Makedonia'' mesa se mia synqeth onomasia;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw kaqoloy sto qema ths onomatologias.

BLAXOS: Tosh wra ti kanete;

ANTWNAROS: Den anaferqhka kaqoloy se ypoqeseis sxetika me to onoma.

BLAXOS: Eipate, apantwntas se erwthsh, oti den kineitai makria apo thn pragmatikothta.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se analytikh syzhthsh gia to onoma. Oi politikes dynameis toy topoy exoyn thn eyqynh, thn ypoxrewsh, to kyros kai th dynamh na topoqethqoyn.

POYLIDOY: Mia parathrhsh kai mia erwthsh: H erwthsh toy k. Tsiodra exei nohma, dioti sth diarkeia ths diapragmateyshs synypologizeis kai to kostos ths mh lyshs. Einai ena stoixeio to opoio trofodotei thn diapragmateysh. Ara swsta qetei to erwthma shmera diarkoyshs ths diapragmateyshs.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai diarkoyshs ths diapragmateyshs h ellhnikh pleyra -thn opoia ekproswpw- na apanthsei se ypoqetika erwthmata. Elpizw oti se ayto to plaisio qa kinhqei kai h allh pleyra kai qa antimetwpisei to qema me thn idia ypeyqynothta.

POYLIDOY: O Proedros ths toyrkikhs Eqnosyneleyshs xqes ekane mia protash na arqei to casus belli, toylaxiston sto epipedo ths diakhryjhs, opws eixe ekdoqei apo thn toyrkikh Eqnosyneleysh pro etwn. Exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Apo xqes exoyn perielqei se gnwsh mas diafores dhlwseis Toyrkwn epishmwn sxetika me to sygkekrimeno qema. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qelei na dieykrinisei to akribes periexomeno olwn twn dhlwsewn poy exoyn ginei kai afoy tis melethsei, tote qa topoqethqei. Den qa prepei na jexna kaneis oti stis 12-13 Aprilioy o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Molybiaths qa breqei sthn Agkyra gia mia programmatismenh episkech ergasias. Qa exei metajy twn allwn, synanthseis me ton Toyrko omologo toy k. Gkioyl, opoy qa syzhthqoyn diafora qemata dimeroys endiaferontos kai oxi monon. Opws jerete o k. Molybiaths qa exei kai alles epafes.

BLAXOS: Ti na diakribwsete; Aytos poy exei thn epishmh sfragida ths politikhs, einai o k. Gkioyl, o opoios amesws meta apo oles aytes tis dhlwseis, eipe oti den allazei tipota. Dhladh, oti den allazei tipota se oti afora to casus belli. Ara, jekaqaristhke ti yparxei kai ti den yparxei.

ANTWNAROS: Lypamai, alla qa anagkastw na sas diorqwsw.

BLAXOS: Giati;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti oi dhlwseis toy k. Gkioyl exoyn perielqei se gnwsh moy me treis diaforetikes morfes. Yparxoyn de kai synexizomenes dhlwseis. H ellhnikh kybernhsh den meleta tis dhlwseis poy ginontai mono apo ta dhmosieymata. Thn endiaferei prwtistws h epishmh apodosh dhlwsewn poy endexomenws exoyn ginei.

BLAXOS: Dhmosia dhlwsh einai toy k. Gkioyl.

POYLIDOY: H diakhryjh htan ths Eqnosyneleyshs, den htan toy toyrkikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Ara, prwtistws, ayth th stigmh mas endiaferei ti leei h toyrkikh Eqnosyneleysh. Ayth qa anaskeyasei palaioterh dikh ths diakhryjh.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos yparxoyn diafores dhlwseis kai topoqethseis, tis opoies perimenei na dei h ellhnikh pleyra sthn epishmh morfh toys. Kai en synexeia, afoy tis melethsei, qa topoqethqei.

SIDERHS: Me poio konter metrhqhkan ta dika sas paidia kai breqhkan kalytera twn mh dikwn sas;

ANTWNAROS: Epanerxeste se ena qema poy exei ejantlhqei.

SIDERHS: Pws ejantlhqhke; Xqes den to jerate kai dikaiws. Twra ti maqate;

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Nakos. Den yparxei kanena qema gia thn kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kalyptetai h kybernhsh apo tis dhlwseis Nakoy;

ANTWNAROS: Gia thn kybernhsh to qema ayto exei ejantlhqei. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh dexetai tis topoqethseis toy k. Nakoy peri ``dikwn mas paidiwn''. Ayto mas lete;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Nakos ekane dieykrinistikh dhlwsh. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo. Ola ta alla einai parafilologia, h opoia den exei kamia oysia.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, sth dieykrinistikh dhlwsh perilambanetai aytoysio to keimeno ths dhlwshs poy epaijan ta kanalia oti ta ``dika mas paidia'' einai ta kalytera kai h ajiokratia etsi prepei na proxwrhsei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti gia thn kybernhsh to qema exei ejantlhqei.

TSIODRAS: Qa epimeinw ep` aytoy se dyo pragmata@

ANTWNAROS: Dikaiwma sas. Mporeite na epimeinete.

TSIODRAS: To prwto: Ean o oros ``dika mas paidia'' einai oros ton opoio mporoyn na xrhsimopoioyn ypoyrgoi, th stigmh poy o k. Karamanlhs exei diakhryjei, proeklogika, oti den xwrizei toys Ellhnes se galazioys, prasinoys, kokkinoys k.lp. To deytero: Leei oti ``ta dika mas paidia'' einai ta kalytera paidia. Aspazetai h kybernhsh mia proseggish poy leei oti to kalytero kommati ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, ayth th stigmh, einai ayto poy brisketai sth Nea Dhmokratia kai oi alloi, den qa pw oti einai gia ton Kaiada, alla, telos pantwn, den einai kai isoy megeqoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kamia ermhneia sta osa eipe o k. Nakos. H kybernhsh @kai to exei apodeijei me thn politeia ths olon ayto ton kairo poy exei thn eyqynh gia th diakybernhsh ths xwras- exei efarmosei ajiokratika krithria. Ola ta alla einai parafilologia.

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto poy sas rwtame einai para poly aplo. Apodokimazei h kybernhsh tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka. Den exw na pw tipote allo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai xqes topoqethqhkate kai mas eipate oti den gnwrizate th dhlwsh. Einai emfanes oti den qelete na topoqethqeite ws kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei epaneilhmmenws oti exete to anafaireto dikaiwma na diatypwnete thn kritikh sas h ta sxolia sas sta MME poy ekproswpeite. Den aforoyn thn kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Ta sxolia mas den aforoyn thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ta sxolia sas sthn aiqoysa ayth den aforoyn thn kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Den htan sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis ypoballete erwthseis kai egw apantw. Eseis exete to dikaiwma ths erwthshs kai egw ths apanthshs, kati poy qelw na pisteyw oti den amfisbhteitai oyte apo th mia pleyra, oyte apo thn allh.

IWANNOY: Wstoso, orismenoi boyleytes toy PASOK zhtoyn thn apomakrynsh toy k. Nakoy. Yparxei tetoio qema;

ANTWNAROS: Oi boyleytes toy PASOK den exoyn to dikaiwma na zhtoyn apomakrynsh kanenos ypoyrgoy. Den einai oi boyleytes toy PASOK ypeyqynoi gia th synqesh ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias.

POYLIDOY: Sto qema toy k. Mantelh@

GKOYTZANHS: Kai h Nea Dhmokratia to ekane ws antipoliteysh, zhtoyse paraithseis.

ANTWNAROS: Thn eyqynh gia th synqesh ths kybernhshs thn exei o Prwqypoyrgos.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas qymizoyme oti otan htan antipoliteysh h Nea Dhmokratia

zhtoyse kata kairoys paraithseis ypoyrgwn kai apomakrynseis apo ton k. Shmith.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na ejhghsete th dystokia poy yparxei ek meroys ths kybernhshs na aposteilei stis dhmosiografikes enwseis ton katalogo me ta onomata twn dhmosiografwn;

ANTWNAROS: Entos twn epomenwn wrwn o katalogos qa einai sth diaqesh ths ESHEA, an den exei hdh paradoqei.

Eyxaristw poly.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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